Antares

WHAT IS REALIZATION in your opinion? You say about Buddhist understanding of it. That's fine. No problem for me you have your own opinion Okay, what lineage IN THE WEST do they represent now? I would like to talk to a person from that lineage personally but not to someone who only saw walking master

If you mean this one https://yang-sheng.com/?p=859 I would say his hands position is wrong. As for seated practices I wrote about it here many times.

It is not Dao yet. But might be state of Wuji. For authentic Daoist methods this is a requirement for further cultivation. In majority of Buddhist schools this is the point where they stop practicing. But as I said earlier in some authentic Tibetan schools they have authentic tummo that is not what you can find in western schools which in fact are commercial projects where one can get some benefits too. So I would not say they are completely wrong It depends what you are looking for

I believe Daoist and Buddhist practitioners see the DDJ differently. But correct translation of it matters. The problem is that was written in old Chinese that far not every modern person can understand. Also I can not say that all these modern versions of Dzogchen, Cha'n and Zen are the same. Non - dual state can be the same but what matters is what you do next after it has been achieved. Some people tend to think that all teachings are the same. In fact they are not. I am not sure what you mean by great realization. You said Buddhists understand everything they do. That is why I asked you about your understanding of Dharmakaya and Sambhogakaya. I would say your understanding of it does not fit Daoists masters understanding of it - that is what I said. Buddhist people only say that they reach "liberation" but in fact...

The most important thing is HOW you do it. In YXP they actually do "warm up" before they do 5 organs exercises. That warm up is part of daogong system that is comprised of a few IMA exercises and if you do it right it is good way to activate your channels before you do anything else. Also there are few more secret exercises from neigong/XingYi some instructors taught which are very good to mesh with anything else you do. Nothing wrong with channels activation if it is done correctly. But if you take some random exercises from other systems and mesh them randomly there can be conflict of course. Correct warm up is quite important but it is not easy to find it, in most cases people do it incorrectly and also they add other exercises not having understanding of what they do

That's the final goal of it and this is fine but devil is in details. Daoist methods don't use visualizations bcoz it can't produce zhen qi. Also how can one see the chakra and lotus there if all channels are not active yet? Just concentration on points of physical body can create blocks in channels and even lead to deviations Also original conversation was about Xing AND Ming. And it was not me who brought up TWR theory here. Change my gender? Meet fake Buddha? Definitely nothing to do with Daoist methods, I am sorry

I recall how I tried to discuss some Daoist concepts there, and they told me that I had to stop writing about it, otherwise, I would be banned. So now I'm trying to avoid that section of the forum

Here we have Buddhist section on the TDB. I personally do not go there and do not impose my ideas there, why so many Buddhist/Esoteric people come to this discussion and impose their ideas here?

How can this mental masturbation (lucid dreaming) produce Zhen Qi? More over that, that is direct path to the Yin reality and entities possession

edited. never mind

We need to understand why the visions occur and eliminate the root of the problem. Ming is what needed for that. Or the energy that is produced in authentic tummo. That' the point! I have nothing against Tibetan stuff, but I think it is very much about karmic inclination, many of Tibetan masters were reborn in Tibet or somewhere else but they had background in these methods from previous lives. So for them this is fine, it is their path I used to visit that group once. My observation was that all of them were in very Yin state of energy. And you know what - I used to talk to one person from that group for a few years and he wrote that Daoist methods, all Yoga stuff are WRONG and only their "gnostic" path is something special. But in fact this is Yin way of "spirituality". Most of these groups have strong Egregor which can give some boost of energy but you have to be aware of that it will demand smth from you back afterwards

I talked to him personally and asked him a few questions. When I asked about Ming methods ih his teaching he refused to answer my question. Then I asked him about his opinion on Taiji methods and whether they might correlate and can go along with Dzogchen practice. His answer was "you should quit it if you want to practice Tibetan methods I teach". I have never had conversation with him after that and have no desire to be honest. In my opinion (and from Daoist perspective) one should not do any Dream Yoga until they are good at Ming methods and have their yuan jing full. Even if it is full the dream practice is somewhat different in Neidan, there is nothing like "lucid dreaming". But he held this seminar to complete beginners. I am not sure his teaching is authentic Tibetan Buddhism, probably some modern variation of it. Also I was a member of that group for awhile and I did not see there any Ming related methods.

Yeah, how many girlfriends you have got for last few months?

Well, they say this is yuan jing + yuan qi, but there is other "definition" of it that I don't want to mention here. In simple words it is what just invigorates you The more Ming you have the more you tend to love other people women

Yes, he mentioned Dharmakaya only that refers to Xing or Taiji. But this method is Xing cultivation from Daoist perspective

I disagree with you here Well, they say about "body" and not just quality No, it is not just concept. May be in modern Buddhism there are many concepts but in Daoist teaching there is always some form of "energy" behind all phenomena

Not everything so simple, I just checked some texts - in the beginning it is just elixir when one joins xing and ming. Golden one is next stage and requires embryo breathing. This is not just Awareness

This is good system byt there is specific order in these meds which one should know to accomplish it

If you can see Golden Light right now - my congrats, keep going, you are on the right track. smth like that yeah, but you need your jing for channels opening and building too. some of them do not exist yet, they have to be built

Even if there is one near by here they hide their achievements, also I dont think they live in society

This is true but for celestial immortals only. Other people have chance to get "elixir" (not golden). It is quite rare achievement in Daoism too, I mean the golden one. At least Daoist methods are good for longevity and balance and there is chance to get more. As I said in other thread - the more ming one obtains the better chance for good reincarnation All depends on Destiny and correct methods. No warranty here

It corresponds with some aspects described in Secret of Golden Flower, for example, so this is good, but in my opinion they lack Ming methods in Dzogchen. But ofc it depends on a lineage, some of them can have it too. They have authentic tummo but I don't know which lineage has it now.

I propose you to read daoist texts before starting new thread on Neidan First read, investigate then teach other people

Your vote will be counted but

Yuan qi is part of Ming and this is Yang, the goal of Neidan to obtain Single Yang