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ShivaShakti, you wrote you have experience in tantra yoga. Did you practice pranayama? I am doing cleansing program now and included short pranayama complex to my daily practice for physical and mental cleansing. And if I do 2 hours of yoga practice and some 1 hour 30 minutes of FPCK I feel somewhat agitated and hard to wake up next morning. I agree with Friend that much practice might be not very good at all at least in the beginning. I have vata dosha constitution along with pitta and weather affects my vata dosha much and i think it is getting on my way of practice. Hope cleansing with right diet and practice will help to balance my energy. I am not I should practice FP more than 2 hours daily. May be it is just enough

Thanks. But I am doing qigong and yoga (yin yoga) at the moment. I wanted to do Lao Xie's bagua chikung but I am not sure if I would do it right and I want to concentrate on another qigong for awhile until I have result in one qigong. Actually I wanted something for flexibility and kidneys and liver strengthening and yin yoga meets my requirements. It is difficult to learn such advanced MA without good teacher and I am not sure I really need martial skills as far I am concerned more about health and happiness. I contacted local BKF's instructor and asked him few questions about what he teaches and how it is really effective and he "forgot" to reply after I asked how it is effective for him like "oh, sorry i forgot to answer you " and then no answer again... And they overcharge people. I do not want to pay even a penny to such a people and looks like I lost interest to MA. I have experience in internal MA for over 3 years and I am kinda disappointed in it as instructors often overcharge people and did not provide good quality stuff. I do not want to pay money which are hardly earned and listen their blah blah blah... how i am cool and you are in shit. It is difficult to find good teacher in internal MA and when i happen to find one I will engage in it. But not for big money. I can do something else otherwise like yoga, dao yin or qigong

There are many yoga and chikung styles. How to compare them? Yoga means unity. Qi gong - work with qi, energy. What you want to compare? Unity with qi?

Lol. Compare? How? What does it mean to compare? Lol. This is long life journey

I gave the link on authentic yoga source according to which the path is three folded Did you read it? There is difference in letting energy to accumulate (relaxing in a posture or breathing quietly) or force it to happen. But authentic methods do not mean only seating or watching something. If you take posture and relax energy flows naturally. A good example is Kouk Sun Do (the link above). It combines dao yin - opening channels and pranayama in postures to accumulate jing in lower TT and finishing exercises to bring this qi to the whole body. As simple as that I just do not have any instructor on this at the place but one day I will engage in it probably. The same in Yin Yoga you just relax in a posture and breath. And then meditation. But all is done in meditation mode. This is NOT forced method. It is about awareness. Methods help to cleanse physical and mental blockages

Why are you talking of forced methods? You do not have to go to yoga studio. The investigation is only one of the methods coming from advaita. Which is came in turn from kashmir shaivism. But this is the highest methods. They call KS as trika - three - fold spirit. path: Of course better to have teacher in Yoga but there are quite powerful chikung (neikung) systems which are complete systems. And yoga could be just addition for balance and health (as dao yin) if your system is lacking it. Pranayama is good anyway for cleansing both physical and mental

You can do both jogging and yogging. Yoga and ChiKung. There is Yin Yoga (Dao Yin) which is good for flexibility and health. Yoga can be spiritual even if you do not have enlightened teacher in Himalayas. Yoga is not asana only. There are many other spiritual techniques sucj as pranayama and meditations.

I just have looked around for the yoga stretches and pranayam and stumbled upon ashtanga yoga. But it seems to be more physical approach which is very yang. Also I have stumbled upon yin yoga by Sarah Powers which is actually derived from dao yin but combined with Indian and buddhism approach and explained more in TCM semantics what I personally was looking for.

There is ancient practice which combines together qigong, yoga and martial art. This is Korean Kouk- Sun- Do. This is first sub level which is working with physical body and consists of 25 positions. 5 for each of elements. There are 9 levels. Work with tan tiens and MCO. At the end practitioner opens up skin breath. There are many people in Korea who practice it and have many benefits of it. Some people at the age of 70 look 40-50. It was practiced by hermits in mountains and they believe it is the root practice for qigong and yoga. There are no "yang" hatha yoga and no pranayama but there are elements akin to yin yoga and 10 seconds breath with retention on later stages. It is not commercial western yoga but high level Yoga and neikung.

Thanks. Fair enough. I will practice for some 3 hours daily. Later on I will make clip on my seated meds. It is important to know if it is done correctly.

I have this book and was thinking if this neikung is any better than hatha yoga exercises or any others. Some people discern the exercises from the book solely and say that it is more physical than energy cultivation. But I think they forget to see the general conception of this nei gong and IMA in general. The most important I think is the mindset and state of mind in which it is done. So it can be both physical and qi cultivation depending on the way it is done. IMO. And there are two aspects in this exercises indeed. There are few very physical exercises but there are few qi cultivation as well and they were brought together. But I suppose these exercises will not be complete without correct practice of San Ti Shi. This is IMO crucial point in Xing Yi nei gong. It is something like tree stance but with more martial intention. And there is subtle qi mechanics in it for the "qi cultivation". I would say consciousness cultivation. I think those who have experience in IMA understand what I mean. Exercises for it self is preparatory warm up and open channels when done correctly with right set of mind. I have video on this neikung too and there are few differences in execution than it is presented in the book. I suppose this set has some subtleties which can be understood training with experienced teacher otherwise it can be just physical exercises. Well it really can prolong life and maintain health as flexibility does it for everyone. But if this is really internal cultivation system is up to the way it is done. Good stuff anyway and I started to do it myself.

Doing it 2-3 times are maybe too much to have enough rest. Energy still works if you dont do anything - if you have initiate the process. The FB belongs to Qigong where you not have to exercise everyday and so you dont lose it over time so very good for busy people but it needs good sleep because lack of sleep acts against the building up structure as I expirience - this feel near nothing when on has make the exercise yours until then it is important to sleep when one need it. Both teachers here say the more the better as they cumulative. And practicing every day is ideal. Normally I practice for 2-3 hours every day but planning to go for 4 hours every day.

You said you did Volume 1 the one day and Volume 2 the other day. Now what I consider fast is that you do the whole volume....I can only say in my opinion that I did only do one exercise of the Volume for hours per day (I did not go and add exercise but monopolize...) and it was not the hours that counted but the time that is needed to reach the point the build up structure not try to go back to the status quo from before. Last days I do normally vol.1 following by 2 meds from vol.2 (initial MGM + 90 50 40 30 10) and this is how I am going to proceed. May be you are right that first thing is to build up the energy and open breath. I can actually breath 10 seconds now in and out. But not in moving ones. So I think it might be better for me to do static meds first. I'll be doing warm up and wuchi stance + 3 static from vol.1 following by 2 meds from vol.2 for couple of months. Sifu Gary says the same in the DVD that it is better to work with only one meditation for a month and then add next one. It makes the sense for me and your experience along with SivaShakti exp. does approve this theory

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Well I was not nagging about FP. I just had experience with iron shirt chikung before which I did for some 2 years and taichi with one experienced man and even he had eye on me he had been correcting me for all that time and I just was saying here that it is better to have live teacher and as you can see what is challenge to do chikung without corrections. And may be I was impatient a bit. And there is bunch of another chikung systems and I was thinking what to choose. I watched Sifu Terry's DVD and it was like WOW thats what I need! I dont see this energy but it has good feeling even from DVD and I can see nice aura around Sifu even on DVD. And it is good that we have chance to share our practice more closely. I appreciate your advises and wish to help to others, Friend. Fasten up? I did vol.2 meds 2-3 times a day and vol.1 once a day or two days. And yes I did it sometime too fast and only last days I do it slower and more aware in seated and can feel more benefits. As for vol.1 I will do more warm up exerc. but still cant get you what speed should be in BTB and WAC - slower, faster? I wanted to read again what you wrote above but you deleted your posts. I want to come back to this: It causes stress or eliminates? Well each movement cause stress. In the moment you cause it to appear you can eliminate it. How to cause this stress? May bee you want to say to fo it slower, softer like taichi and more aware? I said to you that it is challenge to do very slow in BTB and WAC as there is stress for hips and doing it slower will inflict more stress and then I will not enjoy it. As WBBM says:Too slow as a beginner can cause u to tense up, find your speed that allows u to remain soong and in the zone. OK may be I concentrate more on static meds from vol.1 and on some of vol.2 with much awareness to build up the qi awareness. Also considering BFSYG vol.1 seated meds as you said it is good for calming down and relaxation.

I was considering smoothing it. Yes, it might should not be so much low! And then I will enjoy it more. But we have to listen to what our major expert will say on it here

The right speed is the speed you can carry the FB Energy.... well can you actually feel it when you carry it or not? I still do not understand what is the right speed. Terry Dunn says speed should be as slow as possible akin to shifting dune. I start feeling something very subtle in seated meds. But not in standing. That is why may be it is better to work more with seated ones. Standing ones is some challenge for me as you call it "causes stress". I mean BTB and WAC really inflict some stress to hips BUT i think this is where this healing energy appears from. And I feel some warmth and sometime sweat even it is quite cold here and if it were plus 20+ C at least I would be all sweat (sweet) And I feel some subtle energy in standing ones but cant say it is something essential. It takes time and there is no overnight kung-fu. It causes stress or eliminates? Well each movement cause stress. In the moment you cause it to appear you can eliminate it. I am not sure I get it right. Yes there is always SOME stress even in first standing but more for mind to stay still but this is where this stress is eliminated if to stay relaxed. I cant say to what extent it should be relaxed as trying to relax causes stress. I just keep standing and concentrate on the feelings of the body and just trying to enjoy and no thinking how it is difficult. But in no way I am trying to cause stress for the purpose. The movements cause some stress for itself as they where structured. Alchemy is in movement but we need just do it right

What is the right speed? Which mediation you are talking? Do it slower? It causes stress or eliminates? I think you are confused in some english words It is the same energy within BFP. Vol.3 is soft motions which are good for stress elimination. Vol.1 of SYG working with stress elimination too. But in slightly different mode. I explained why I can not really ENJOY some movements in FP. For me it is really going through some stress and I am trying to do slow. What is wrong there excatly?

I have got Bak Fu Sunn Yee Gung 2 levels and will add more seated meds for stress elimination. May be will come back to taichi but thinking to start doing vol. 3 which akin to taichi motions. But no one can check me out.

Work more on the basic "warm up" move in a slow motion which cause you stress and "sigh" it out, adjust the speed to cause this stress, you need to play your body as if it is a music instrument To cause more stress? Cause means "to make" "inflict". This is not taichi actually. I did taichi long form before but gave it up as I was not sure I did it right as my teacher took few classes before and I lost motivation as no real master could chek my motions. In BTB and WAC there is some stress for the body as I am really going down and it is some stress for hips. It is not so enjoyable as taichi dance.

I have done short video clip on my FPCK practice. It is short in time for every med. and without breath. Quality is not great but you can see movements.

A powerful and complete Qigong system like Flying Phoenix if practiced properly will activate and manifest all kinds of latent potential and genetic talents. Wow, will one be able to do like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtz4Tzr9WJk