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As I said teacher is the "key" to understand texts. Have you watched the Matrix movie where Neo had to find right door to get to Architect? There was the key master. Read classics like Dao De Jing in good translations

just forget about it. this is mundane understanding of De Dao or Tao? Chose one name for it. You wont be able to understand it if you have no teacher. Texts are good to read but knowledgeable teacher is best solution to understand texts. Translation is not accurate in most cases. As I said Evgeny Torchinov was expert in ancient Chinese but you have no chance to read his works.

I can refer to Evgeny Torchinov - a Russian researcher of Daoist Tradition who is one of the best researchers in this subject, I am not sure he was translated into English. But he traveled a lot throughout China and he was very fluent in Chinese. I have just opened his book and read about achievements in daoist tradition: "human immortals are daoists who collected a grand power of De and who prolonged their life to limitless... ". BTW I dont get this from WLP - dont associate me with this lineage, i have no any relation to them.

This is "external" part of De but this is correct. It helps to cultivate "internal" De

His "lineage" comes from self - taught lady from Taiwan who was actually banned here for bad language . Sorry, my language (English I mean) is not perfect too.. but i meant she was rude to other people in this forum

Yes, if you wish so, Boss, I stop writing here about De. But De is not phylosofical term. De is the piece of Dao inside you. If there is no De inside you would not even exist

No, they get yuan jing but dont transmute it into yuan qi. As far as i got it right. Yuan jing is only part of the "medicine". And also i am not sure they nourish De in yanshengong. For De nourishing more ingredients are required

There are loads of low quality qigong sets, only a few of them are of a good quality. Far not every one of them implies pre-heaven jing cultivation. That what good yangshengong does. Certain channels must be activated which qigong does not even touch. Devil is in details

Yangshen gong is for longevity. This is simplified form of neidan/neigong. Qigong is the product of CCP I believe. This is sort of "new age " approach. I dont know why you refer to it as "breathing method". Specific breathing can be used in neidan/neigong as well. But breathing is only part of it to induce specific flow of qi. The most important is posture and state of mind as well as specific movements and static postures. The main difference between nei... and qigong is how to propel specific flow of qi in certain channels and which channels are used and what sort of qi is employed

No, this would be off-top. But in short the fa jin or Iron Palm and Shirt are good examples. There was a period when neidan masters needed martial abilities to protect themselves and this is why it was developed from neidan. But very fundamental basics of the training are not martial and they have same principles in both neidan and neigong. Neigong provides some extra abilities. And one must not develop them and they are optional.

Neigong is the same as neidan but has more martial application. Neidan was developed first and then neigong on the basis of neidan. But in general it has nothing to do with qigong. The latter one is just health oriented sets of exercises which goal is health promotion and it works with 12 "medicinal" channels in most cases. Sometime qigong can work with 8 "alchemical " meridians but it never can produce the same results as neidan or neigong can do

Alright. The most important thing is the content, the process of development and transformation of neidan into IMA from a historical perspective. You could call this nei-jia.The distinction between "internal" (nei jia) and "external" (wai jia) styles in martial arts began to appear around the 17th century. And behind these processes stand daoists recognized as "immortals". The history of this can be traced back to Bodhidharma.

I don't remember exactly, but it seems like I already asked you why you enter the Daoist section of the forum and demand that Daoists engage in all sorts of esoteric nonsense. Isn't that strange behavior? Read Daoist treatises. If you don't like them, then it's probably your personal problem. Or do you want Daoists to do what you want? That's very naive and foolish. Please stop writing such nonsense

I definitely can't recommend any "DVD from Jwing-Ming". This is low quality qigong. No much benefit you can gain from it. Best option is to look for master of IMA, taiji is good option. But it should be not yang or chen style, they were modified a lot and have nothing to do with the original version of it. Taiji itself is very fundamental neigong system. I have not explored all Daoist schools, it is quite a challenging task so I cannot speak definitively for all systems. I only tried a few methods from northern daoist neidan schools. But I can say that the foundation of the old taiji lies in the ancient Daoist Southern Method. Nowadays, it is rarely preserved, and it is practically absent in modern taiji, with rare exceptions. It would take a long discussion to talk about the differences between the Northern and Southern methods. However, in general, the Southern method is considered the oldest and most advanced. But it should be noted that it is difficult for a contemporary person to understand and practice it. Therefore, more often, people start with the practice of the Northern method or other auxiliary systems based on the principles of neidan, for heart purification. Unfortunately, I don't have much time to write long posts. But in general, the Southern method is based on the simultaneous cultivation of Xing and Ming, making it an ideal practice method. However, it is rarely preserved now, mostly remnants of such methods can be found, even in China. Therefore, the methods of the Northern Daoist schools, where they begin with "meditation" (Dazuo), are more widespread today. This is what many authors write about in books on Daoism. The old Southern alchemical method formed the basis of the original neigong method. To accurately answer the question about their differences, one needs to be fully acquainted with the old Southern method, which I am not. But the principles are the same as I was said, and they differ from the methods of modern Northern schools, where the initial focus is usually on the purification of Xin (heart), cultivation of Xing (primordial spirit) and partially Ming (life). I will not go into detail about what Xing and Ming are here; it would take too long. I suggest you search for information yourself. As for recommending books by Cleary, I would not. The translations there are inaccurate, and he lacks understanding of the methods. If we compare neigong with other practices like yoga, the difference is significant. In yoga, everything was deviated from the original path, and finding something genuine there is almost impossible. The same goes for Tibetan schools. There might still be something authentic in Tibet itself, but it is not accessible to us

He has no clue how neidan was transformed into neigong. There was specific time and place for this process.

Where do you think the Theosophical movement, for example, originated from? Or "spirituality" in general, and New Age specifically, including things like qigong, modern yoga, and 'teachers' like Sadhguru, Osho, and Sai Baba? Did they all just arise randomly? What sort of light you talk about? Maybe you just raised your energy to some degree with qigong or anything like that. Did you reach first level of daoist achievements which OP mentioned here?

Nothing can happen spontaneously. This is pseudo-esoteric nonsense spread by all kinds of esoteric gurus who are either simply profiting from gullible people or working for certain agencies. The idea that we are all already enlightened refers to the primordial spirit, but it is too yin, so a person cannot feel it at all. It's like a candle - there's wax, flame, and light. Light cannot arise if you don't have wax. Try saying that a flame can burn by itself because everything around is fire. Every flame and light have a source. Even in the northern schools of Taoism, based on 'meditation,' there are methods of working with energy. Without energy, there will be no light of the primordial spirit. De (virtue) is the primary reason why light can appear.

She said the same BS about WLP as you say. But which school does she represent? Just think about it of you are smart enough

Jean-Pual, as far as i know your "teacher" is a lady who was banned on this forum. Is it true?

By the way, Dao De Centre is the best you can find from what is available in the West. There are a few closed lineages as well, but it is extremely difficult to gain access to them. Understanding the meaning of neidan through texts alone is extremely challenging without a teacher. I would even say it's impossible

This is the "bottom". Please dont reply any of my posts. You are in my black list

I have no any relation to Dao De. You live in your fantasy world. You know nothing about neidan

Jean-Paul, what is your understanding of De?

I have already answered these questions in another thread not long ago. What's the point of talking about it again and again?

but you have texts. you should know it better than me