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In Ukraine (Kiev) there is branch of 2 authentic taoist alchemical sects. One is "closed" and requies an apprentice to visit their chinese teacher in China (WuLuiPai) and second one is "opened" where teacher is going to come to Russia. But it is possible to learn alchemy in second one without seeing teacher as in this sect their first method is kinda alchemical and you can get transmission from local mentor. But you will have to practice chi kung prior to that. Aslo they practice very powerful medical chi kung which they call jiuyangshengong. This is the best branch of the taoist sects I have only heard in Europe and their methods are very very distinctive from other eastern teachings . Did not try yet myself but I have heard many positive feedbacks about their methods. All other european branches seem to be just chi kung schools but not really alchemical. I am not sure if there is anybody speaks good English in Kiev but if you are interested I am sure they will understand your Polish. Their main branch is in Russia. But I am not sure about ability to translate taoist terms as apprenticeship requires good knowledge of theory as well. I have not heard of any better authentic taoist school in Europe. http://all-dao.com/

It is better to pay money but practice real authentic taosit system. I just watched falungun sectarians walking on their parade and I just did not like this mass. They are like christians in the times of Christ, a little crazy. And I personally did not like their online stories about practice. It does not sound true to me and there is no authentic roots of this practice. Just seems to be the sect on the basis of Buddhism. And what is the goal of this system? To walk on a parade with big drum and posters?

Thanks for your replies. I practice FP at the moment and probably I need to elaborate it to some level of strong energy and then practice Pak Mei stuff. But Sifu Terry said that without kung fu FP is not very effective and I myself feel that I need kung fu even for calisthenic at least. Will one need wooden dummy in the beginning? On your www it is said that training is started from Red Dragon practice. That should be OK with FP I believe. What there else in the beginnig? Sifu Terry says that FP is complete system. But I think that PM stuff could boost it up. What about Bak Fu Sunn Yee Gung? Is is from Pak Fu Kung-fu system? I am thinking seriously of PM because I plan to move very close to Sweden soon and I know you have there good man who is expert in PM stuff.

Sounds pretty nice. But always better to have Sifu who will show the way through all gaps. If you want to master it. It is not only internal training but martial as well. I have few years experience and I know how it is working but I have not trained in Kung fu. I know that big part of kung fu training is to train on your own. So I would train kungfu of Pak Mei (if it is possible of course) on my own and train somewhere else for learning the application with partner for self defence skills. MA training is good for alignment, timing control, flexibility and patience. in "sticky hands" it is good to work with partner to feel your own tensions and it is good sensitivity training too. I don't know exactly, may be there is some work with qi in the form like in Taichi and this is all why it is practiced. But self defence is crucial aspect of internal MA too. Only experienced teacher can see mistakes. Without it there is big chance to do something wrong. So I am thinking to visit local Wing Chun group for the aspects I have mentioned above.

Well, if Australia run out of beer I would send few cans to paleface brothers. http://now.msn.com/man-runs-out-of-beer-calls-911-to-get-some-more Happy New Year. P.s. Just wonder how similiar Pak Mei and Pak Fu to Wing Chun in application and forms. P.p.s. Almost run out of Yip Man movies. But good news is that there are few movies with Bruce Lee. And superstore is not so far P.p.p.s. Just wonder how is it possible to learn PM kung-fu without a partner. Internal part and forms I think no problem but as far as I know they teach kungfu beginning with martial application and it is not possible to learn it on your own. So I have the idea to learn Wing Chun for application and PM for internal part. Better than beer and popcorn def.

But the good thing here I have my beer and popcorn right now and watching Ip Man movie. It is better then nothing anyway

I have read this thread with huge interest and very interested in studying kung fu arts. I visited WBBM and found there infotmation that no one outside their family and their VIP list can purchase their products. Well, it seems to be very deep internal art which is difficult to find and it is very rare. I am thinking to start Winh Chun training at the place where I reside but I am sure it is not same internal kung fu but combining them together could make a sense. I did some martial arts training but after few years I still don't have good martial skills and there is no internal training as such what is such annoying for me now that I have spent so much time and money almost for nothing. Bak mei is very rare art and difficult to find good teacher in this art.

I just have done BTB and counted my breathes I do raise arms to the throat (A) for 6 breathes and 4 for ©. I do BOTH slow but as I mentioned (A) seems to be broader extension of arms to the sides then ©. I spend about 2 minutes for each rep-s with very short break when palms are down at the LDT. It is about 30 minutes for 14 rep-s and it ould be about 40 for 18 rep-s. So is it normal amount of breathes for the BTB?

Ruthless, I would suggest you to use search in this thread for the word "repetition". As for vol.1 (you wrote "The other standing and seating in Vol 1& 2 do not have a specific count so I am not concerned about do them to much.") then I can quote Sifu Terry words above: So from here I realize recom-s for some movements amount and time for the vol.1. As for the vol.2 Sifu says that "it is standart amount of 7 repet-s" but he can clarify it here himself. I myself am confused about the amount of repetitions for both vol.2 and 1. What does mean 18 rep-s for BTB - 18 before and after breath sequence or 9+9? And here I myself do 6- 8 breathes for raising and lowering but I breathe deeply but without any tension , and my normal amount of breathes is 7 per minute. I do slower then Sifu does on DVD but untill I feel uncomfortable with legs tension. It is about 50 seconds for the MGM raising and lowering and about 60 for the second r. and l. as it is broader arms extention. Should be both r. and l. done with the same amount of time? It's quite the challenge to do BTB slower then 2 minutes for each repetition. Even 2 minutes is 30 minutes only for 14 rep-s of BTB. But as it is "foundation" of FP I try to do at least 14 rep-s and thinking to go for 18 as soon as possible.

I realized that Terry says on DVD that we do at least 7 rep-s before breath control sequence and 3 afterwards but not sure about latter. May be Terry can clarify it here. Also I read here that it is advisable to do 18 rep-s of BTB in vol.1 BTB seems to be one of the basic meditations in the vol. 1&2. It is my supposition. Interesting, I was looking last months for some most authentic yi jin jing set (tendons and muscules change classic) and I have encountered few diff. variations of them but all of them (except one) look like more the calisthenics. Fei Fung Sunn Gung seeems to have concealed tendons and muscules change in it or it is just not stressed. But it is more taoist variation I think and much different from other chi kungs . In standing med-s we work with legs and spine more and in seated with hands and shoulders. That is why IMO we should do it as slow as possible in order to affect body tensions and release it through movement. Well, it is not Iron Body definitely but strenghtens tendons I suppose and release chi from tensions. BTB is real challenge I must say (if you do over 7 rep-s in one go slowly ). And I wonder if Taichi form can be done at the same slow pace for any benefits?

Hello and thank you very much for your broad answer to my question. I already read above that it is advisable to do both stand and seated at the same session but at the same time I recall the advice to elaborate both standing and seated for the best result. And that is what I did in the beginning. Also I recall the advice to do all stand. or seated in one session with as much repetitions as possible. To do both vol.1 and 2 with many repetitions is quite the challenge even if I have time. I am coming from the point of doing one of each vol. 1 and 2 for 1 hour and add 30 min for the couple meds form another vol. So it is about 3 hours every day. I feel some kind of my mind resistance doing long sessions over 90 minutes. So it is good to do standing in the morning to wake up but to add couple of seated to complete it and relax would be quite useful I believe. As meditations are good at any time of the day. More over that I just feel hunger in the morning and doing meds for over 2 hours only make my mind wander and all standing ones I believe not so good before sleep. Last night I did few repetitions of Bending Bows very in slow and relaxed way and I sweated even more then when I am doing weightlifting and I could not fall asleep and managed my sleep only late at night.

Thanks for nice report. It is very handy for the beginners in FP. I tought standing meditations are standing for the reason but now I consider to do some of them as seated. I want to do standing in the mornings and seated (vol.2) in the evenings. I was thinking to do some of standing ones prior to seated and I think now to do one standing + MHP and finish with MGM seated. They really good to do prior to sleep. Very calming down. And vice versa if I do only standed ones in the mornings then which one of the seated is recommended to complete the set?

All these seem to mean descending stream of energy. That is typical for Bon and tantric Buddhism but not typical for Taoism. I was considering taoist arts as more profound but it could be that tantric approach is not less powerful and not so complicated as taoist methods. But as for me I don't like visualizations there and I am not sure how to visualize right. I as trying to see what I supposed to vis. and it was confusing me all the time. But it is nothing to vis. with sounds. That's still powerful. But often they say to vis. syllables in chakras. It can cause the waste of vital energy imo

Yeah, six. Om - ma- ni - pe-me-hum. What shoul be at the end - Unnn or Ummm? And why there is up and down pivot at the center?

Nice report. Could you explain broader how sounds resound between heart and sloar plexus? How is it up and down exactly?

I would say internal cultivates pre-heaven qi External post-heaven

I have learned 4 exercises from this set. I like it. But if you do all of them + meditation then it is 1 hour + indeed. And I started to think that I could spend this time for the morning 1 hour neikung session. It is may be important to do ONE technic all the time to master it to the high level. But I come accross with the problem that I feel myself sluggish just after I wake up early in the morning. And anyway we should do some kind of callisthenics anyway to have combined approach from both internal and extrernal. Good point actually. There is also some yi jin jing Sifu Yan Lei teachs. Also might be very good stuff for the health promation. Can be done during a day for some 20 minutes.

I have his book and video. Wanted to practice it but now I think it is kinda more external training which takes much time to do it. IMO better to spend your time for neikung/alchemy practice.

What is the difference with this one?

Thanks. Sounds pretty good

I read a lot about authentic alchemical taoist systems, and they dont seem to be based on using consciousness such as visualisations or breath or chakras breaths or using toughts. It may depend on sect what they cultivate first xing or ming. This system seems to have spontaneous "mechanic" what is the symptom of alchemical method IMO

Well, I never heard about Chris Matsuo before and about Wu family. I don't really understand what is KYMQ. Is it chikung or alchemy? In any system there should be some philosophy or teaching and there should be masters known who completed themself on this path. But I know nothing about this system except of couple guys here on forum. But they don' t tell much about the system. So I need to make right choice for myself. And think about S-M more at the moment but this talks of tranmission confuse me really. Sorry for posting my doubts here just wanted to share my thoughts

But as far as I know ALL alchemy practices based on transmission and it is crucial. Trunk already told me KYMQ can be really practiced without transmission. I only wanted to know smth more about system as there is no information at all about this system. I used to practice loads of systems before for few years and now I am very aware of any system which I am interested in. Never heard about such a system before and about such overlap. But it can be really good stuff and I hope so

There is nothing wrong with overlaps at all. I used to practice Bon for a while and I love the theory there but I personally don't like much visualisations there and much of praying. It could be a good approach for one but I gave up that path and choose taoist methods path. I would be happy to find something what brings both paths together. I dont consider one path is easier then another but just trying to feel if the system resounds in me or not. I just wanted to know if there are much visualisations coz I dont really like it and I heard it simillar to Kunlun and Yin Yan hands of Celestial Neikung which I have practiced. I am looking for the system which I can practice without transmission as I cant travel faraway.