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I do not do any meditations from Garry' channel and do not recommend it to anyone. Just saying it in case

what about this one? still awkward for you?

What is awkward? I dont do it from this video, dont worry. Prep meds can be done anyway, they do their work, it is important part of taiji training.

This is preparation for taiji neigong (more like qigong). I do it in more narrow stance, no stress for me

I see now. AFTER 6 months taiji stance can be used as static posture, but not from the start

What I am saying is that in the beginning it is more dynamic work than static in taiji stance. For example when it is done after "raised hands" exercise. There are still opening and closing movements. In fact this is "working with ball " process there. But after that it is better to go down and close LDT But I am not sure it can be done solely as static meditation in the very beginning. I have the video where Master Liao says we dont have to rush into work with MDT when work with "taiji ball". He says it in the "how to generetae taiji ball" video

If you reach Wuji You are LaoJi

I know that smth similar to ZZ is in Temple Style neigong but it is called "Taiji Stance" there. And it is not static, but can be seen as static one if smb watches you. And it is done no longer than 10 minutes. (May be somebody does it for longer period of time, I dunno) In Yiquan there is similar one as well and it is done as combo - you stand still lets say for 5 minutes and then you should do micro-movements in "taiji stance", and I dont think in the beginning they do it longer than 10-20 minutes on the chest level.

@-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- I know you do Rudi' neigong. Interesting if there Is ZZ stance on chest level in level 1?

It should be CORRECT moving (moving is yang) complemented by CORRECT standing (yin). So it is not just standing and moving that people do in 1000 variations of qigong styles. How and when to stand matters too.

Absolutely not. I know there are many so called instructors who can give you "quality instructions" on how to... I tell you story about my first "qualified" teacher who had license from Chinese Qiqong Association that proved he studied some form of qigong there. And this guy hung this paper on the wall in his center. He gave big promotion to his center in town. He taught IMA and qigong. One day he said he is going to show us very powerful form of qigong he learned in China. He showed movements for the 1st time and then it was continued day by day... One day I asked what the name of this qigong. He said - Falun Dafa. Which he learned from youtube. He really believed he is very qualified teacher and charged good money. ------------------------ As for ZZ on chest level it is very unsafe practice for beginners. Lower center can absorb a lot of energy but on the level of the middle one there can be a glut of qi that can lead to insomnia and problems with fire in heart and liver. No one should begin practicing from this level. Some dynamic exercises on this level are fine but if you come back to lower center back again

so, is it okey to do ZZ for 40 minutes for beginners? with arms on chest level. really good idea?

What he means by spirituality... may be just post heaven cultivation. If qi goes in the wrong direction, then it will be opposite course of any spirituality. The book also lacks dynamic exercises that would help direct qi in the right direction. Yiquan is based on Daoist principles but it is IMA, it was developed to develop power, not wisdom. Taiji is more advanced in this regard It is better to follow instructions of your teacher. If he says 5 hours of standing is right for you then you should do it But I dont think people have so much time. I normally have 2 hours for practicing. Sometime 60 minutes Freeform does retreats in rural areas as far as I know, so he has more time

Anyway it is good for post heaven qi cultivation. Modern people need it

Shall I comment here what other members of TDB do?

Modern Shaolin is mostly external. But there were internal methods of cultivation before second burn in 17th century I know nothing about it. Difficult to trace it back to the very roots. I only know that ZS trained in Shaolin and there was exchange of methods between old Chan and Daoist methods of cultivation. ZS played a huge role in creation of Taiji-Quan we know now. Even though ZZ had been existed before ZS, he combined it all together. The development of Taiji could occur in several stages. In any case, a holistic methodology is important, and this is where ZS exceled. The use of ZZ as an independent practice is more of an external application in modern schools for their own purposes, including health benefits in TCM. For example, the theory that one should stand for exactly 40 minutes likely stems from TCM principles. They don’t know how to use ZZ in any other way. Imagine if a smartphone ended up in the hands of Amazonian tribespeople. They could use it for lighting—just press a button and light appears. Useful tool so

I am not talking about external styles at all. I meant old school Shaolin Mabu stances which linked directly to Bodhidharma. Zhang Sanfeng modified it later to ZZ - like variations

Although there are variations of styles even in Taiji. This one is from Longmen They begin from ZZ variations and then go to lower ones

There are variations and both are valid. Depending on goals. Mabu has its own goals. From what I know Mabu was used more in Shaolin, ZZ is more common in IMA like Taiji and Yiquan, not sure about Bagua

Normally they do it to collect a lot of post- heaven qi and for balance. But originally static postures had another goal which was alchemy. It should be done in combination with dynamic exercises. Nowadays they substitute correct routine with prolonged standing. But also it depends on the goal one has, in IMA goals vary

Yes there are many schools out there but only a few know the correct method of doing it. In other words if one has the teacher it does not mean the teacher knows the correct method. He does what he was taught by his teacher

Do you know it or guess? This video was made on the basis of his seminar material. There are 8 postures. Interesting but Wuji is second one, tree (zhan zhuang is 5th one in order). And there is certain logic behind it. That why I asked why some people tend to stand still in ZZ only for prolonged period of time. Beginners wont do it right anyway so there is no point to do it for 40 minutes IMO But if you change hand positions you will work on different channels and it is better for the overall balance