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Well, here was the thread where this issue was dicussed and the point was that kundalini is not the same as jing-qi-shen and there another processes evolve. I think it is better to mail to Sifu Matsuo but I only wonder this time. Looks like there some overlap between Bon and Taoism alchemy. Just tought may be here somebody who has practiced this know smth about this issue. Also wonder if this practice involve connection to Kwan Yin as it is Kwan Yin neikung.

I dont know who is this guy and why I have to listen to him. I talked about classic texts of taoist sects. I have never heard about chakras from there.

I can not recall here in taoist texts they mentioned central channel and chakras. I read in this thread that there is chakras work and it does not matter how to call it as alch. taoism is based on tantiens but they are not chakras at all. So usage central channel and chakras work in taoism prompts me to think that it is not pure taoist method and could be an overlap with buddhist or bon tradition.

Hmmm, just wonder. KYMQ seems to be taoist method from Sifu Matsuo Wudang teacher but it is working with chakras. Are there chakras work in alchemical taoism?

Thanks. But I just have read what Ya Mu wrote in other thread That is why I was asking questions here. S-M seems to be the system which must be taught in person for full result but I will practice it anyway an hope it is high level qigong indeed even without personal "transmission". I hope online workshop will be opened for everyone and will help to open up this qigong. Looking forward

I know and I was doing classes for few years not taichi only. But they were not kinda attractive for me personally. I dont want to go there just on the purpose to find a girl. At the moment I am looking connection to Kwan Yin and this is what I want concentrate on at the moment. I dont want to write here anymore. Sorry

I did. She was very nice and light. Not spiritaul. We had nice time. But then she sent sms that she wants pubs and drinking and as I don't do this there is no point seeing each other. It was much pain for me to overcome this.

So you offer me not to do my practice and do searching for a nice girl? Hmmm. What does mean working on my self? To get good job, nice car, finish a course how to pick up girls and chat to them? Recently I tried that. Only one out of ten who was dating me. She was very nice but 15 years younger and we had not much in common. I can't afford myself going for drinking just because a girl want this. This is NOT what I want. I dont need drinking and smoking girl. You want to say this is problem with me. I am looking quite attractive I would say but I cant talk a lot to people who have no much in common with my interests. I dont like talking much about waht people talking normally and I just dont like such companies. I am just not looking for anybody at the moment. It is better to work with your desires. Shall I just come up to a girl on street and talk to her? I did but it is no working... May be because I am foreigner. But for me easier not to bother about this. May be It would not bad to have lover but it is not easy anyway. You going to spend your time and energy on this. I dont see enough reason for this. I would like to date somebody with same interests otherwise nothing to talk and you going to split up anyway.

I did not say NO spiritual women. You missed something. I recall many spirit. men and only few women. Of course there were spiritual woman and there are many looking for something but I just did not encounter one yet who would be attractive for me. And I dont pick up girls on streets anymore. Only this is my point

I can agree. But I have never met a woman who was looking for spirituality and sexual attractive FOR at the same time. I would agree completely with you but I cant ignore my experience.

Sorry what means "dead on some points"? And yes. This is not about just women. Many men the same. But women are more "unstable" in their mood and used the word "mondane". There were many spiritual MEN and only few WOMEN. As for spiritual mindset I mean matured soul, a person who is looking harmony in life on the spiritual path. That's not a way of a vast majority of woman. They have absolutely another goals and interests in life in majority, that what I wanted to say. "Molesting" ... I don t pick up girls on streets as have bad experience. At the moment dont even think of sex. It is more important to see your desires and work with it coz sex and sexual "behavior" takes much energy off. I want to be more clear it is better to find second half inside rather then looking someBODY outside for sex

Sorry for my poor English as I cant use proper "poetic" English (I still learn english). Simply speaking women are "yin". IMO they have more emotionally unsteady minds caused by the motions of "karmic winds". And they more mundane deff. One day she might show her big interest to a man but next day she can start playing games. They are more looking fun and men who can give them good fun. Especially nice women who are spoilt by men from young ages. One time she might don't like that you don't molest her from the first day of your meeting and if you do this she may be offended. You gonna be always wrong from her perspective. Today she likes this thing tomorrow another one because their mood is very unstable. This is my experience only. I just have not met good woman who it would be nice to talk about serious things like spirituallity and have some fun too and who is mentally stable and matured. Normally they affraid my "spiritual" set of mind and we cant find something in common. I know there are many nice and clever women but nott much chances to meet them and I don't like molest a woman on a street. Where is it coming from? From "yin" nature first of all and second from society and "culture" based on TV. Of course, many people find each other and live somehow but how many are reaaly happy and healthy and spiritual? Yes, they have common interests such as: TV, walking with a dog, shopping, pubbing, drinking, smoking, jerking... and so on... In this movie thay had common interests and shw wanted something I think but the problem is that THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. From my perspective two ego meet each other and start playing games.

OK. Where I can find the decription of s-m meditation? Is it on DVD GOT I?

Well, I just realized that it is better to choose something one and it is very difficult to combine few things together on the spiritual path. I tried some IMA for 3 years and I did not find myself on this path. Neikung there was very weak I would say and just practicing for 2-3 hours every day is not fastest way. My Sensei was saying that there is no shortcut on the path but I think good neikung can be real shortcut. He was talking about karma much. But as I know authentic Taoism is not much about karma. I can practice taichi form sometime ans weightlifting and it is quite enough for more phys. aspect of the training . I feel call for "shamanic" qigong more then path of MA. But MA aspects may be integrated in neikung later on might be

Oh, yeah, great story and sountracks

My last relationship was broken because I was talking something about spiritual things. She said that there is no point in seeing each other again sending me sms that she wanted fun in a pub . Not all like that but vast majority. It is better to concentrate on your practice

Yeah, I personally agree we need some neikung like Iron Shirt. Very prominent benefits for the health promotion. And good for stamina and vitality. So I am thinking just doing Iron Shirt first instead of any kind of IMA neikung as Ir. Sh. is very good neikung for IMA and health aspects and then go further for IMA . Mantek Chia writes that traditionnaly they had practiced something like IS first for years and after they learned IMA applications

Not easy to find your cup of tea if you are spiritual seeker as people NORMALLY are very much mundane and as according to my experience women don't need anything spiritual in common like men. May be just me exp. but it is mine. Typical crap in women's mind shown in this movie: This is Irish movie. Just watch it. It is depressive but very much true about people relations

Did you try this form yourself? Is it possible to learn only from DVD? I have seen some youtube movies of Chris Lomas how dudes tried to kick his ass ))

I am not going to mix or bolt on it to "my stuff". That neikung I meant as it was said empowers ANY other chikung untill it is in contradiction to the energy "flow " of another system. That is is just yin yan hands and connection to the earth. As for MA aspects I tried to outline my needs for it. I used to do jogging almost every day and now I do some gym workout for 20 minutes every day but I don't see a problem to do some forms of IMA like taichi or bagua including some neikung basics from it such as tree stance and forms. I need something kinda more vigorous for general health promotion and for flexibility and for tendons and blood circulation. I dont know anything about S_M yet and can only suppose how it is "another level" and how it is really "complete" for everything. May be it is more advanced and elaborated indeed that I dont need anything else. May be you rigth, I'll het DVDs and will work on that thoroughly and then I "ll see if I need anything else. Cheers trying to help me dude

Not hours for other practice, dude. Another pracrice that I meant is good for grounding and balancing and take only 1 hour. Also I tried to be clear saying that there is no martial art aspects in s-m and myself have been doing it for few years. It is the same practice of alignment and balancing and building thr internal power

We have pain because of Ego. No Ego no pain. It is good chance to see our weak parts and work it out going through pain. It is the process of letting go. Ego projects our mind outside and looking for somebody there to satisfy itself by possessing somebody. But we can not be sure 100 percents in anyBODY else. The truth is only in non dual state of mind. That is where problems coming from - dual state of mind

I was interested in this form. Looks very nice. A friend of mine has video and I watched little bit. It is quite possible to learn from the video. But.... I cant see the lineage of where this Iron Vest form coming from. He claims to be black belt in three IMA and that he is professor. But I dont really know anything about this man and origin of this form. One needs to train 1 year at lest every day for 1 hour in order to be able to estimate the benefits. So cant recommend and wonder myself about benefits of this form of IVQ. I don't think somebody was so patient to go for 1 year every day training but myself never again would go for pactice which is not within certain lineage of masters. I had been practicing such a practice for 2 years without any benifits. Never again

BTW I can not get GOT DVD right now but want to continue meditation practice. I concentrate ob breathing in and out in my belly area. Is it what you doing in GOT? And there is no paper book on GOT in sale. Is somewhere short description of meditation which is very simillar to GOT? I suppose there is no 3d eye concentration in GOT system. Do you pull abdominal back when exhaling or it is fully natural? I come across with many decriptions on meditaion but all of them slightly different

As for myself I need IMA not only for the qi development but for some another reasons too. It is what gives me some kind of calisthenics and to maintain form and flexibility and MA aspects all together. Taichi form that I know does not give qi experience. There is no neikung.I really enjoy watching bagua forms and I presume there is very prominent neikung there. I just feel I NEED something for my general wellbeing and IMA meet my needs more then anything other. I have some video and book on xing yi neikung for health and want to practice some initial level of bagua training during the day and in the mornings and evening I will be doing GOT. I was thinking of Iron Shirt but not sure which one is good. There is loads of crap in the west and I don't know who I may trust. And I know that IMA masters were avid practit. indeed and they were quite healthy espec-ly bagua players. I have been looking for years for some prominent qi system. Hope GOT is really one of them but not sure it does everything on all levels for the practic-er. Just wonder. Will try it. There is the same goal to develop LDT and I suppose it should complement each other