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Yes, I can agree with that but here you mean somebody who has trained with you. OK, I can admit the idea just believe to the system. It might def work. I already started doing neikung from Mike Denny which has shamanic roots too, and he states that this neikung will empower any other practice and balances very much too. But there are 3d eye concentrantions and may be it should not be done along with system that you teach. So I am confused now a little if it is really better to concentrate on one system solely without looking into any other system. I guess there are different energies in diff schools so may be it is enough reason to stick with one only. But I will buy def GOT 3 DVD's and will give it a try! Also I am interested in IMA very much and have some 3 years exp. And I would like to continue with it. There are neikungs systems in it. Which come along with Iron Vest sometime which is very beneficial and I suppose there is no Iron Vest in GOT. And there are others internal training in IMA systems that must be taught in order to make progress in it. At the moment I am interested in BGZ and want to train it with it's neikung or probably try Iron Shirt just for the prominent health and internal qi benefits

Well, I have been doing long form taichi for couple years and very flexible due to yoga and MA experience so dont think S-M will give me nuts. I like the idea of spontaneous energy flow and that this system has some shamanic roots what is very interesting for me. I need to bring more balance into my system. I feel some disbalance. If only this a benefit it would enough already. May be we don't really need something difficult and look for something "powerful" like kundalini yoga or Iron Shirt Q. May be just some good and simple neikung and meditation on breath at LDT are quite enough.

Edward, did you learn this chikung from DVD only? And general quiery to Ya Mu - so I realize that it is quite possible to make some good progress in healing, balancing and LDT building, and calming learning from 3 DVD's. Is it right? And another quiery. Does it worth to do this S_M along with some another system such as: Kunlun, Magnetic Qigong. If doing S_M only 1 hour per day as you recommend. Will they empower each other? I mean if S-M can be combined with other advanced Neikungs but in different time. I would be doing S-M solely but as you say it is desirable to have person in person studying with you. I am really interested in what you teach and would def practice it if I would have chance to attend a seminar. I was looking for such a system for years. Thanks for your reply here

There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way Buddha

Rune Othala (Odala) represents connection with Earth. It is personal human potential (karma) Correlates with Mooladhara chakra. Moola and Adhara. In some indoeur. languages sound r turns into sound l. And what we can see here is almost the same sound athala. BTW in Vedas root chakrs is called adhara. Adhara means "support". The word Earth sometime is pronounced with hard T at the end. (If you come to Ireland ). The sacred sound of mooladhara chakra is Lam. The Worlds that are below earth are Athalam – Place associated with Yama Vithalam – Place associated with Shiva Suthala – King Bali resides here Rasathala – Rakshasas reside here Talathalam – Spot associated with Mayamayi Mahathalam – Place associated with Serpents Pathalam – Place associated with Yama and Nagas. Leg channels to the Earth. Serpents and nagas represent Kundalini

I would like to try it too.

Out of all that crap like this ones

"Джинсы воды набрали и прилипли, не слышно ни часов ни чая..." IMO this is crap but not the art. Peace

Thanks for trying to help me. I have doubts I am going so far just for the qigong. I am in Ireland actually and I used to go to London for a yoga seminar and then it turned out the system is quite complicated and requires continious transmission (Dzogchen) and practice of Tantra. I did that yoga for half of year. I spent much money and have experience now. I was in India too and the end was the same. They just teach you something but without interaction with guru all idle. I did one neikung for 2 years with teacher here in Ireland and it did not work for me as it was adjusted by teacher for himself and origin of this neikung is not within certain lineage and kind of self made up and very much about vigorous "fire" breath like pranayam. I tried some another spont. chikung here But it did not work well for me. I think this kind of QC is more "effective" for people who have some declinations in (mental ) health but for me it had very soft effect. So I will not spend money just for the another chikung. It must be complete system. For me to get USA visa is the same as encounter Barack Obama in local store

I see now it is better not to mix methods and put train on one rails. I do Kunlun1 method now and have much legs shaking. It is spontaneous but it is only in my legs. It is kinda different from another spontaneous chikungs which are standing ones. i will see how it will work for me further.

I don't know honestly. May be in China. But we are not talking of China. Yeah, I see what you want to say - go to China. OK. May be later. I agree that we have to do something in life and work hard as well as earn money for travelling far away. I did that before - I was in many countries searching for something serious and always I found some BS. I was not ready at that time. And I think when one is ready there is no need to go somewhere, it can come spontaneously. I know there is no warranty for anything but what a problem to organize seminars on permanent basis for the third world countries to give chance for people who really interested and ready?

This sounds pretty good for me. No need money for airplane fuel but need some energy fuel anyway. But as I mentioned above Michael claims not to practice without transmission. May be it was only about healing neikung described in his book and I am not sure about GOT. But I have read his posts on this forum and it sounds like there can be some benefits of practice without transmission but only small level like practising any health chikungs

All serious neikung which we discuss here seem to be in the States. OK I agree there are loads of BS stuff. But we know what kind chikungs we are talking about. Agree? So, I would agree to practice some serious stuff but I want to have a foresight how it might turn out in the future. Michael write quite clearly that this chikung SHOULD NOT be practiced WITHOUT instructor i.e. transmission. But they sell DVD I think just to get people involved somehow and for making money too obviously. What it the point to practice it if you know that teacher not coming to this part of the world or if it happens then may be accidentally. This is not fair. I dont want to be engaged in something if there is not clear chance to be involved in certain method. I did many things like that and have spent loads money on it - yoga, chikungs, and so on including Bon and Tantra. Teachers coming occasionally - sometimes only once in two years and I gave it up coz did not feel any benefit out of practice. Now I am doing some neikung because it looks like working. And Skype transmission is possible AT LEAST. Peace

Yeah, and what next? Fly to America in a dream to receive transmission? It seems to be that UK is the third world. No any high level seminars, NOTHING serious in this part of the world. Only mumbo yumbo chikungs. Everything in the States. I was interested in GOT but I wont go to the States. Only if in a dream...

As far as I am concerned there are few people from Russia who have real transmission in taoist sects state that NO ONE of taoists monks know who is WANG LIPING. One of them was in those mountains where WL claims to be taught and no any monk know who is WL. There is no any record i the lineage on WL. I don't know what is true and just saying what I know from some people within Wu Lu PAI sect who quiered about WL in CHINA.

Yes, I mean another practice of course, I just have bought materials on this qigong because I was doing baduanjin for a while and I encountered information about authentic seatted baduanj. And I love tthose materials. It is seatted meditation technique for health and longevity according to Staurt Alve Olson who has been training within authentic Tajchi lineage and this meditation coming from famous master Li Ching-Yuen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen

Well, as I tried to explain a vis. is very soft and like a instant vis. and it is not main core of the practice and it is more about breath and LDT development. Just another tool. May be I don't need it really. I just like it. They state they the man who transmitted this practice had been living for over 250 years and there is official evidence of that indeed. So why not? Also regarding my quiery I found another statement from Ya Mu

Thanks. Yes, I guess there is no any visualis. in this Neikung and it is why I like such systems where one does not need to do any visual-ns. I dont like vis. and trying to avoid such systems. But in this case it is quite ancient method of baduanjing alchemy and I just like method and visual. there is kinda very soft just to help to the qi flow up the spine. Just want to find benefit of it too. It is longevity exercise as well

So if I am correct it is to develop LDT and it is ascending method. I want to practice some another LDT meditation along with this one where there is vizualisation of qi going up with breath. I would prefer LDT practice as I don't like much methods with 3d eye concentration. Looks like GOT meets my needs and sounds nicely for me as method. Are there any instructors of GOT in the UK? I have found some people teach jing dong gong in the north UK (not too far from me): http://www.quanshu.co.uk/spirit.htm I am not sure if they can do transimision.

I have found on the forum what Ya Mu said about it

Must one get transmission to practice GOT S_M? Or DVD's can be enough? I am interested.

The Earth Meditation by Mike

Ok. You are right. I am intellect. to much. This is my problem. I just tought there is a technique for calming mind along with this method and I was said here that there is indeed. And I got confused

OK. I will choose the book as it is cheaper and at the same time it is sufficient info for practice and I can have RP by Skype from Max what Jenny does not do. And I beleive there is something more in the book about Kunlun. And it is same lineage as Mike's. It makes more sense for me. Thanks

NOT congruent? Even Yigong with Kunlun 1 knowing that Max got it from Jenny? It is more alaborated on her DVD as I know coz Max modified it and skipped some important techniques in Yigong