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Sorry could you explain a bit more this? Is there work with Yi to direct qi any direction or it is fully spontaneous? I will explain where my confusion coming from. I don't understand it right what is A. and D. method. Recently I bought another materials on meditation and wanted to be fully engaged in it till the very end. ) But after I found info here that Kunlun and Shancin are very powerful. And I like THIS approach because it is spontaneous and I beleive it is the most ancient method. On other hand the materials I bought before kinda based on Shancing sect as well along with Pao Pu Tzi text and Golden Flower text. OK. But they meditation method is based on abdominal contemplation and vizualizations that elixir coming UP from the tailbone to the upper DT. I.e. it is upward method. I want to practice Shancing now and want to get K. book but have no money at the moment and waiting when I get money and it will take may be month to get the book. I want to practice some meditation now. What I can practice now, which method? Is it 3d eye meditation? An abdominal breath meditation allright? I can't concentrate now coz I am confused. I am doing actually Earth meditation from Celestial Neikung and may be it is enough for me know. I asked Mike two times and he replied in the way I could not understand it right if it is all I need (3d eye medit.) or there is another meditation as well. So I understand they use 3d eye meditation in Shancing in the begining along with grounding to the earth. And there is not abdominal concentation on the level I. Am I correct?

I asked Mike already. He wrote me that everything from him and Kunlun is compatible. But at the same time he wrote that I don't need much techniques and I think he is right. I ahve Mike's book with 5 standing postures and I am doing CN and may be it is already enough for me. And plus HUL meditation is kinda resembles RP as I read. And I dont want to spend much money now for another materials. Only if it is MUST have. Is there anything in the book I really need (if I get Jenny's DVD)?

And I wonder if there anything in the Max's book I have to know? What about Pillars of Bliss book? I am practicing Mike Denny's Celestial Neikuns and I am thinking if I really need thechniques from Max as I read here that first half of year one needs only spontaneous neikung.

I am thinking to get Jenny's DVD anyway. Because Max got it from her and it will be very handy to get all techniques in the way she teaches as I read here she is very light and very noble person and it is important to get it in the way she teaches.

Also I see there is correlation between rune Laguz (Lagaza - one of the forms of ancinet pronunciation) and slavic goddess Lada. They beleive it is derived from indoeurop. word laku what means "water". Also interesting that there is one of the protoindoeur. words Leuk what means "light", old english lēoht, german lioht/licht, gaelic llug and baltic Lauks. Also I would say it is Love, Light, Lake -- running stream of the "water of life". Laguz is related with water and the sea. Flow, a fertility source, the healing cycle of constant change renewal. This is a strong feminine rune of intuition that also relates to fertility. I suppose that there can be correlation between runes and qi channels and points. Rune Teiwas - arrow up - is related with channel in the spine and point in the middle DT. Yan - masculine Laguz is front channel down, yin, front point in the MDT. IMO that is why it is "water" and love - it is heart center too. Water is liquids and qi of the body in liver, spleen and pancreas - life energy centers. Ancient mythology. The question if need it now??? IMO only confusion Goddess Lada is very nice correlation: http://blog.slavicsouvenirs.com/holiday-goddess-lada There is slavic rune Lada by the way which has the same heometry. And rune Laguz is related with swan (I dont know why). This is just example how many things in common.

Some correlations with slavic gods I have noticed: Thurisaz - Svarog (Thuar-og) Berkano - Bereginya Jera - Jarilo Dag-az - Daj-bog

I do not think that runes is something to meditate on. It is symbols, ideas, alphabet. What is the point to meditate for example on the picture of the moon in a book trying to understand the moon? More over that the runes sounds could be changed very much and signs too. How we know it is authentic runic primordial sounds? I beleive it was distorted from original signs and sounds. For example some people state that runes are protogerman sacred "sounds" but as I know slavic languages I can see there and protoslavic "sounds" which correlate with slavic pagan gods. OK, it can have origin in the common protoindoeuropean language but it was changed with time anyway and now we know only "germanic sounds" but signs could be changed too. There are slavic runes as well and they have different geometry. There were turkish runes in north Asia.... So I want to say that it is just symbols of some primordial archetypes and I do not think one should meditate on it trying to change something in one's own mind. It would be only some "magical" work with the rune Egregor but not with archetypes IMO. How we know what we should change in our energy or mind? Why to meditate on a certain rune if one is not sure what is this rune certain archetype. It can come from some shamanic expereince or dream but not from just one's mind like "I think it should help me because... ". IMO runes is just some primordial IDEAS and steps in the spiritual path corrilated with sun calendar. This is more what we should change in ourselfs in order to feel more harmony, how to abandon our karma and be more enlightened

Yup, I see now this Now it is more clear, I missed it before. So Chris inhereted this stuff through Max's Wu lineage? I am interested much in Chris's stuff because of Bagua, I found his approach is quite interesting, it sounds like it should be spontaneous form and not fixed as many others teach. It makes sense for me. But I have doubts it is possible to learn such a subtle thing with video.

That's might be true but it is not clear where Sifu Matsou coming from. I see his "alchemy" lineage within the lineage of Shancing where Max got transmissions. Then Max admitted Chris as lineage holder. It can only mean that Chris Matsuo should teach "alchemy" stuff according to the Shancing lineage. And also Chris studied Bagua with Max as well as with other master in Japan. Does Max state the same about the origin of Bagua as well as japanese master? I want to say it is quite fishy statements from Chris's side and I wonder his lineage in his "alchemy". There are only Max and his japanese BAGUA masters mentioned on his website. What is Chris's lineage in Bon and Bagua not very clear for me. Yes, there are 2 masters mentioned but I don't know anything of them and they are from Japan. So stating that Bagua is derived from Bon shamanic dances is quite strange and not proved at all. Did he study Bagua within Bon lineage? Can anyone make it more clear for me?

Well, I just examined Sifu's website and found some interesting information which I tend to believe but... I just wonder. http://dragongatesan...ery/baguazhang/ That's really intriguing info. I have read the book on "Prehistoric Bon" (Shamanism) by Ermakov who has transmissions in both Siberian Shamanism and Bon and according to that info there are many similliarities in them and he states that all relligions has the source in prehistoric Bon but as a matter of fact modern Bon does resemble Buddhism very very much and I have doubts that Siberian Shamanism is close enough to Taoism but I am not sure of course, just wonder. It is first time I here that Bagua's origin is in Bon. I only read that 8 trigram is come from Bon. I never heard that there are very much in common between Bon and Neikung systems and Sifu Matsuo seems to have some lineage from ancient shamanic Bon tradition which is close to shamanic Taoism... And he teaches some tibetan shamanic practices and looks like his approach is quite the mix of Shancing tradition through Max's lineage and Neikung of Bagua and Bon. In Tibet they stress more attention on central channel and according to my humble understading in Taoism they open up MCO prior to central channel as it helps to open shumuna later. I don't state it must this way. Just wonder Sifu's approach which is not common for China imo. In Bagua they open MCO first as I know. May it is in ChiKung like that and Alchemy is different.

If you eat prunes only I am not sure how long more you going to post here. May be month two and then def. be looking like Gorlum. ha ha. And your erection wont be so goood anymore

Thanks. But I am kinda confused now. I was going to buy this book but now I think that there is a liitle chance I would be able to come to the States so I cant get RP and another more advanced techniques afterwards and now I think about KYMQ as it is very elaborated and it is possible to learn through DVD's at least. Is KYMQ THE SAME is Kunlun1/Lamb's yiqong? The question pops up as I want to practice meditation path from another taoist school but there are no good neikungs but I like their approach in meditation and it might be even enough. They use ascending method. So I don't want to mix things up. And think about Sifu Matsuo methods as I am interested in Bagua as well and Iron Shirt

Is it reversal breathing? I read here about Kunlun that descending goes FIRST in Kunlun. And there is difference in methods and not all of them are compatible. May it was said about intensive methods and meditation should be OK anyway with soft breath. ?

there are no worms in it. Frst, the water is SALTY in ocean and there is only one worm possible. But it does not live in human Second, if you do raw like 75 -90 percents then your acidity level going to be very f**ng good and it KILLS ANY worms and even can dissolve nails. I have been eating fish for couple years now and look younger for at least 5 years and not any resemblance with picture above. Cooked food is not always good and to much cooked plant food going to inflict harm to microflora and stomach as it nourishes bacterias and acid kills it. Cooked food not good for acidity level and pancreas. There are loads of bacteria in plant food and may be even more

I don't see any kind of problem eating raw OCEAN fish. Cooking it is just a habbit and kills all useful ingridients in it and not good for your body. We need animal protein anyway. I eat it only sometime. Normally eggs or yogurt. Try raw salmon and you will love it

I eat RAW fish and me myself and my stomach feel HAPPY after meal. Cooked animal protein is harmful yes but raw is another story. It is dissolved in stomach acid very very good

No. It is wrong you are telling IMO. There are ascending and descending methods IMO

Also interested in this stuff here Sushumna in Taoism prior to MCO? In general sounds like form of Yi Jing Jin. Am I correct? I think that it is better choose ONE system. I have no chance to visit Kunlun Seminar. So if Sifu Matsuo system is quite sufficient and having taken into account I practice some another "fire" method, it does make sense learn Sifu Matsuo stuff for me as he provides very cool DVD's

So it means KYMQ is fully compatible with Max's Kunlun1?

This guy here does not seem eating prunes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkMbMJ9JFaY

I read here something like abdominal breath is "fire method" (ascending) and Kunlun is "water" (discending).

But how Kunlun is compatible with abdominal breath meditation? Is there such a technique to calm down the heart?

Thanks, folks. Yes, it is the question actually if Jenny's technique is the same and how clear spont. mov. is described in Max's book. So, may be it is better to buy the book first and then try it and see how it works. I just tought may be it is hard to learn such the thing from a book but you are saying it is very easy to learn. I don't know how Max is "cool" but I have read loads of good reports on his book and there are no books from Jenny and I have no chance to go for seminars of both of them... Actually I think to go with Alchemy of seated 8 brocades and do Kunlun as a boost but I even heard that Kunlun1 is quite enough for itself. And I am very interestes in method of spont. release motions so that whay I have a mind for that stuff

I have a question here. I am going to buy new Kunlun book and practice it. According to my knowlidge Max got spontaneous movements technique from Jenny Lamb, and I am going to buy her DVD as well. But it costs money of course. It is not a big problem and I just wonder if it worths to buy Jenny's DVD at all and may be Kunlun book is enough for the chikong. Also I plan to do Kunlun in the mornings and do practice seated 8 brocades meditation before bad as meditation to calm down and sink into the void. Hope it is not kind going to mess up my practice. Thanks