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this would be more subtle form of qi and i dont think it is even physical. it empowers yuan shen, makes it more yang. yang is light i would say

This is a rather controversial statement. Yuan shen and taiji/wuji are far from being the same. This is a typical example of how mixing concepts not only doesn't help, but also misleads. Why compare these concepts at all? From this perspective, yuan qi is always in abundance and is stored somewhere at the base of the spine? And there is no universal force of yuan qi. Yuan qi is a product that must be generated within the body, and it cannot be said that it is stored at the base... The Daoist concept is simply different. Moreover, to obtain yuan qi, you need to involve yuan shen, which is Shiva, so Shiva must be moving somewhere. In general, I am against mixing concepts

We need to find a person with awakened kundalini and ask them how they obtain yuan qi, where it is stored, how it is transformed... there is still much unclear in this concept. The idea that ida and pingala are yin and yang is simply incorrect

Also it could be true yang Qi rising in central channel. It depends what they do. But this approach is very questionable.

It could be prenatal jing (yin and yang) that is stored in the kidneys, with which some yoga practitioners work, calling it kundalini. However, kundalini can also refer to something like spiritual power, so it depends. To work with the latter, you need an authentic teacher; otherwise, it can't be activated. What I mean is that some ignorant people activate the yang of jing by bringing it up the spine, calling it kundalini. Real kundalini activation is quite a rare occurrence, even in India. And I don't think that even authentic kundalini activation produces the same results as Daoist neidan.

there are 2 poles of the LDT - yin and yang. how i get it yoga people activate yang pole and send yang qi into central channel. but better to unite yin and yang and utilize it other way

There is an option for how to direct the yuan qi and how to use it. Some schools may utilize the central channel, but from a Daoist perspective, that considered as the wrong path. Old Indian schools and methods were quite similar to the daoist perspective but they were changed afterwards

You could have simply provided quotes about kundalini from this text without referring to AI. But for some reason, you decided to turn to AI. This means that you are not interested in primary sources and you trust questionable sources. But can there be truth in questionable sources? Did you personally see the original texts and you proved their authenticity? I gave an example of how easy it is to manipulate the dates of supposedly authentic texts. There is no need for doubt here, just investigate. Or blindly believe in concepts imposed by others. It's up to you — the red or the blue pill - what is your choice?

I wouldn't trust AI (Agnostic Idiot). Once, out of curiosity, I tried to find some answers in daoist texts. This idiot not only made up the text himself, but then also created another text after I pointed out that there was no such text. It apologized, but then made up a text again. Moreover, I generally do not believe in official dating in history. 99% is forgery. Especially when it comes to British India. As for this excerpt, I found that it actually pertains to the Yoga Pradipika, and as I said, it has a later dating, but again, it shouldn't be trusted. The text could have been written later. For example, I found a claim that the text Goraksasataka was copied in the 17th-18th centuries (the British period) from original texts that are supposedly dated to the 11th-12th centuries. Where are the originals themselves, who has seen and studied them? What is this Medieval Transformation of Yoga” period?

I did some research and looked into 12th-century yoga texts, and there was nothing about kundalini rising up the central channel. There was a notion that it is some sort of chakra in the palate and nothing else. Therefore, the idea of rising power seems to be a modern concept that was invented recently (perhaps when the British invaded India)

but before you do it better to start with this one: before you circulate you need to collect

dont know who is the composer but just enjoyed the music

To me it looks like qigong. If you use your Yi to lead Qi it is not neidan approach. Also he talks about post heaven elements. Mantak Chia is qigong "master" too. Wang Liping? IMHO, it is better to engage yourself in Yiquan or Taiji, and you will benefit more

Thanks for sharing this recipe here. How about cooking yellow lentils instead of yellow moong dal?

What do you want to achieve by practicing qigong? Generally speaking, it is not good to mix lineages and methods. It is better to choose one and follow it.

Here is an article written by Bruce's student: Yes, indeed, the water qualities were described by Lao Tzu in DDJ but I personally not sure there were such phrases as Water Path and Fire Path to describe the differences between schools at that time. But there have been Fire and Water which have they own unique qualities and methods that work with them. In DDJ we can find such terms as: 上善若水 水善利萬物而不爭，處眾人之所惡，故幾於道 - The highest virtue is like water. Water benefits all beings and does not compete, dwelling in low places that people disdain. Therefore, it is close to the Dao 孰能濁以靜之徐清？孰能安以動之徐生？ - Who can make the muddy water clear by stillness? Who can bring life to restfulness through movement? ----------------------------------------------- Here I see an indication of the necessity to achieve stillness, and then movement within stillness. One could say that this is similar to the movement and quality of water, but Lao Tzu did not distinguish between concepts such as the path of water and the path of fire. There are methods based on action and non-action, there is yin and yang, and the phases of yin and yang. --------------------------------------------------- 萬物負陰而抱陽，沖氣以為和 - All beings carry Yin within themselves and contain Yang, combining these energies to achieve harmony ---------------------------------------------------------------- Overall, it seemed to me that Bruce spoke of the path of water as a path based on non-action. This is the path of old Taoism, in contrast to later schools where, for example. visualizations, asanas and breathing techniques are used a lot,

From a conditional perspective, practice can be divided into "cleansing" and "gathering" qi. As an example, Bruce Frantzis describes spiritual practices as the path of fire and the path of water. Indeed, there are different approaches to practice—some that focus more on cleansing, while others emphasize gathering qi. Sometimes these practices work together, involving gathering qi, cleansing, and replenishing. But sometimes there is more emphasis on cleansing and dissolving, it depends on a stage of a practice. If one engages only in cleansing practices, sooner or later imbalances are inevitable. However, I still don’t fully understand what is meant by the path of duality and non-duality nor where this division of practices originates. All genuine practices, in the end, should lead to a non-dual state of mind - heart. Nevertheless, there are different approaches to practice. As I mentioned above, it’s not best approach to focus solely on one aspect, such as cleansing at the level of energy and the body. We have two energies—yin and yang—and both must be cultivated. As for Eros, all superficial layers should be removed from sexual energy, while simultaneously jing must be cultivated. And then it becomes possible to discover a state of non-duality.

Honestly I tried to understand what these word mean but I did not succeed. It is better to use daoist terminology to describe the process. The devil is in details. The base you talk about can be post heaven shen (heart - mind). I cant really understand what you are trying to achieve. But I believe that methodology is more important than philosophy in this case. The latter matters but practice is more crucial here

Can you explain what this differentiation means and what it involves? Also, what do you mean by "expression of the base" in this context? And what is the way you propose to realize it?

I can foresee the future. I see millions of practitioners receiving guidance, blessing and initiation from AI. Is this the bright future?

The practical aspect here plays a greater role than intellectual understanding. There is no point in comparing the Daoist understanding of this process with Jung's understanding, as the latter was not a practitioner of Daoist alchemy. Therefore, his understanding is merely intellectual masturbation. AI merely rehashes these concepts, turning them into a product for intellectual entertainment of the mind.

So if I get it right in your practice you are trying to bring together your Xing and... Eros (emotions, desires)? May I ask who inspired you to do it this way?

ChiDragon, honestly I dont know what you are doing in this section of the forum. May be u need to go to sciencedao.com?

In my humble opinion these are postheaven fire and water - Li and Kan. They must be cultivated and purified. When they are full they can be reversed and thus transformed from postheaven quality into their preheaven state.