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And what is "Dragon Balls"? Very interesting

OK. Why not to say your opinion on it if you have started the new thread?

Is it Daoist or Buddhist text? I don't ask it in order to launch Daoists vs Buddhists fight.

OK. Don't know how it works so can't say if this is enough to open up channels before you do kidneys set Daogong warm up works well for me. I don't do complete daogong session, I do the beginning part of it and some extra part from WLP preparatory set + taiji balancing exercises (taiji neigong short set). How I can see it - it is done to open up channels so that one is able to experience "the dragon sea" that is described in WLP text "huiming-jing" and this is requirement for the subsequent meditations to work properly. That is why one stands with palms on ldt area before they do kidneys set and if you have your channels open you get more benefits from entire set. I was not explained it, I came to it through my own observations The goal of daogong was to open up channels and balance heart - mind so that you are able to experience the "dragon sea" before you do other meditations Also it is important to do kidneys set properly, there are some important details how to do it right

I did not get you to be honest. Is it another qigong before you do 1st kidneys set?

It was part of the warm up routine 10 years back when I learned it, so not sure what they do for warm up now So it differs from daogong warm up? May be in Wuliu they still do it, I dont know. But if you do "blood vessels cleansing" set I am sure it will be there. I did it 2 years ago online and this warm up was there Anyway this is good neigong that can be done before you do anything else I learned more simple one when they just started to teach it and after some period of time they introduced advanced variation of it, so now they may be teach more advanced one to everyone

Here you can watch the very beginning of it but this is not complete warm up routine that I know Although I can see at least one mistake she makes here so better to learn it from qualified instructor And this one is just beginning - nothing much advanced here But you can learn more I think if you visit one of seminars they hold if they do it now - I don't know how they teach it now I know they have online options but not sure if they hold offline seminars It very much depends on a instructor - some of them have their own adjustments to warm up routine But in general there is one static one that allows you to balance out all channels and open them more and also it works on yuan jing restoration. Thus there is not only channels opening in it... If you do it 5 minutes you can feel very warm and after 20 minutes I remember my shirt was wet, so this is tummo like exercise. When i did it this way for a month I lost some 10 kilos. It was part of WuliuPai training and not sure they teach online, normally it was given on seminars. I remember on one of them we walked to the top of the mountain and instructor wanted us to do it every 5 minutes of walking. Even 5 minutes of doing it can get you wet but he demanded us to do for 10 minutes. But when I was back to my work people said I looked younger so they asked what I did during last 15 days Also there is "blood vessels cleansing" adjustment to it, that helps to purify blood vessels and it helps kidneys channels activation and improves qi circulation Also there is specific Shengong method which activates kidneys channels, but there are 2 sorts of them - one is more qigong like and second one is more neidan one, second one is very good, you can experience WOW effect right after you have it done

So no articles on neidan, his book on neidan is very primitive and seems to be modern Northern path of meditations. Wuzhen Pian is Southern. Nobody has seen his Chinese teachers but a lot of claims

Some people here say he is "recognized" daoist, and that is why I wonder if they can give reference to any daoist text that corresponds with what he teaches as neidan/neigong. Or they just believe his teaching is authentic because he says it is?

Hello, bright and beautiful sunshine, Granting light, granting life. We open ourselves to you, we smile at you, At dawn, we bathe in your gentle rays, We see you off to the ocean. and we meet you in the enchanted forest, we know you are a star portal, to the land of golden radiance https://youtu.be/sG0VtuqaSwc?si=Vf-Si8mbMsltHSrp

Well, as for Daoism this is not religion. But you can find there different interpretations of terms in texts - different schools may have diff. understandings of the same terms.

It depends on stage. There is reverse, when it happens it is permanent, but anyway this is not final realization. That is why one needs Embryo, only Yang Shen can enter and experience Dao in my opinion. As for "image" IMO this is like small copy of Dao within but can not say much yet, sorry

It was written by Western scholar. Best to read authentic texts. I can give other references to what is called the Elixir and Golden Elixir Even Liu Yiming wrote different things and as example: https://www.goldenelixir.com/terms/jindan.html So Xing is just "original true suchness, a singular radiant spirit": 何謂之性？元始真如，一靈炯炯是也 https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/性命圭旨/元集 This is not awakening to Dao yet. Closer to it? Yes, but not the Dao itself. Dao exists before Qian and Kun divison, but Xing relates to Qian. As for how the get Golden Elixir try to translate and understand link is the same as above I have question to you - what is the Infant and Embryo in your lineage?

Read daoist texts if you are interested in neidan. I have no goal to convince someone here

Yeah, I remember 20 years ago I used to visit Buddhist Center where the taught Loving Kindness. The method was to visualize light coming from top into the body and then sitting in this light. When I asked teacher is not it a fake light she replied that it does not matter in the beginning. Just imaging it and it will do the work. To me it seems to be form of psychology but might help to be calmer. But later one will lose Ming with it. Of course they did not forget to charge people after class

Liu Yiming used the neo-confucian terminology and one can be confused by it. There are few texts written by other (Southern) daoists where Elixir belongs more to Ming than to Xing. Golden Elixir can be attained by fusion of them so anyway Ming work must be there. If one wants/likes/dislikes it or not. If you don't like daoist approach then you can talk about bindhus etc but this work must be done either way

Again - this is NOT Dao attainment yet. You can not attain it without step by step transformation stages. Daoist theory is first you complete yuan qi and jing restoration and then join it with yuan shen and this is continuous process. I dont have yang shen and can't say now but they say if you have it you can travel in it in physical world. This is like subtle body of light. If you say you have DAOIST realization you must be able to do it. Can you?

If you do believe there is no such thing as "pill", what are you doing here in Daoist Discussion? You want to spread your own Truth?

Also I wonder if everything is so simple why you think there are so many level in FP? May be you think FDD was sort of idiot to develop such elaborate system as FP?

How do they form the pill?

Read this thread if you want to see the difference between daoist and buddhist methods Thank you for your advice but I personally am not interested in buddhist methods.

No every non - dual state is the same. It depends what they experience - it can be emptiness or fullness. Some buddhists enter the emptiness, but this is not yang shen realization.

WHAT IS REALIZATION in your opinion? You say about Buddhist understanding of it. That's fine. No problem for me you have your own opinion Okay, what lineage IN THE WEST do they represent now? I would like to talk to a person from that lineage personally but not to someone who only saw walking master

If you mean this one https://yang-sheng.com/?p=859 I would say his hands position is wrong. As for seated practices I wrote about it here many times.

It is not Dao yet. But might be state of Wuji. For authentic Daoist methods this is a requirement for further cultivation. In majority of Buddhist schools this is the point where they stop practicing. But as I said earlier in some authentic Tibetan schools they have authentic tummo that is not what you can find in western schools which in fact are commercial projects where one can get some benefits too. So I would not say they are completely wrong It depends what you are looking for