CloudHands

Yes... Going practicing

ultimate abstraction

Parts inter-connected acting naturally symbiotically that can be résumé in one (word -world -universe)

How to keep it ? Staying in meditation I suppose...

Both of course ! When practicing tai chi : Movement between heaven and earth, A chain linking the foot to the head, from the hip to the fist. Full or empty, full and empty. Being a piece or the whole, Being an eye without I. When I think, I observe links : causality, proximity, separation, opposition, are all links and all refer to the same universe. Since I was a teen, one persistent impression is that every thing is way too much tie to others for the concept of liberty has a chance to be real. If Nothing is permanent Nothing happens without a reason.

Both of course, but some never connect to the wholeness.

Self-knowledge, balance and priorities. Self-knowledge because you can't put you, your history aside of what you are, what you do. Since you have one and choices rely on you. Balance between internal and external, emotion and stillness, reflection and action. Priorities, as you are not god, it defines what you will do... All that is not easy... and personally life do its best do shove me !

Not sure I understand what you mean...

Plenty of good words Lima. Basically I find there is something selfish and eventually cowardice in the manner daoism can be interpreted. Something that leads to deny responsibility. Not get informed. Never to take a side (the middle path)... But that's ok, I'll end up used to all that (I suppose my angles are still too sharp) and your advices are valuable. I think that I have already posted a topic alike. These questions shaking my comprehension/positioning seem to be come back periodic. I suppose I'm going to stop with that now since it has be done twice. A step back for a bigger picture. That's sometimes what I forget. Thanks to everyone.

I'm fine but thanks

I can feel you kindness, for that I thank you

I know what reactivated inside me this feeling of "contradiction" Plenty of feelings. Mostly my grand father died lately. I haven't be sad about it, long life, long path and huge cultural heritage which is both gift and curse. His death actually reactivated that heritage which I can sum up in few words Solidarity, justice, fairness, education and fighting. Where you go with daoism and through its tools is understanding and acceptation -not only, not always- but the spirit is more about letting it go/move than resist to oppression. I you don't see/experiment oppression in your life, good for you either you having a an easier life or being more enlightened or more blinded than I am. I struggle to overcome duality, because I'm attached to the idea that we can build a better humanity and that fairness depend on us, human beings. That there is no fate in the devastating inequalities between that determine our life experience and possibilities. Until a certain point I think the world is what me make of it, everyone, each one, at some degree. But... This is losing the middle path, the big picture, in one word oneness and its fluctuations. That's the core of my contradiction finding the correct position between action and non-action. Mental absolute clarity (I can touch it) and humanist heritage (I come from it). I have been reading you, many good points (I thank you all)... and I have been talking with my teacher this week end. He put me right on track. I can't do everything or be everywhere by my own actions, so as a human entity I have to choose what I do... He said, if he'd came back after his life he'd like someone able to teach him tai chi. Which I understand as, what you do is tai chi, that's already something, so... keep going. One cannot feed 36 fires. One life story.

I'm sorry ST , but no... that's not what will happen with dog shit

That's the thing, so much power and possibilities in that creation, myriad of lifeforms and treasures of ingenuity, an effortless push emulate countless lives struggling and the scene can stop in a fraction of seconds... while we still don't know if time counts ! this stage will shut down with the sun's last song without answering why the wheat grows maybe the try is to reach for the next breathable astral ballet maybe we just consciences born to contemplate

Biggest mistakes are done with conviction.

It's deeply linked to emotional balance : to master one's sensibility to avoid getting lost in it. That we all can agree on. The daoist practices meditation/qi gong/tai chi it's all good to me and it seems that I can't quit them anyway. Dao's manifestation is not a minimalist/economic system rather the contrary. If we take earth's life forms, it's something that tries and fails a lot, nurture and fight itself. It acts unlike something that knows were it goes but more like something that tries anything in every directions. If it favors nothing it is because it "desires" nothing. If it desires (wants) nothing, is it because it goes nowhere or/and because all is already set up. No accidents but DNA replication errors. So if you have somewhere inside you a question like "why is there something rather that nothing ?" or "what's the purpose of life ?" daoism will not answer it but dao let it appear. These questions can be extinct by a "shut up and feel", they can and maybe they should if they are to much weight to carry. Still I think they have their part of beauty and I have interest in them. Better have balanced doubts that a dubious balance !

I may struggle a little with the idea of a pointless growth of that... size. When it comes from a philosophy/religion that puts so much emphasize on not doing too much, let's say the display is anything but minimalist. I think too much, is that what you think ? To my knowledge daoism brings nothing at the table about the outcome of all that life struggle it realizes effortlessly, neither the why(?!) question. Mostly... it's about the how(?), how things are and how to deal with it and that's quite something but sometimes I'm hungry for other('s) answers

ultimately no accidents, no more than any human-based concept. Even the idea of "direction" may have no reality beyond what we expect practically in our daily life. After 2 millenniums scientists realized the Euclidean straight line appears to be the "improbable" case at a "universe" scale. Not all at the same time, Spring flowers in autumn fade, Pushed to wax until it wanes.

great !

and being so, it (dao) is great, otherwise couldn't be... ultimate

Wack as fuck. I did not talk overpopulation, but lack of food. I'm out, no time for that kind of crap.

Hm some remarks, You know, it's been 20 years that it is said that we have used half of the oil resources... so we keep finding new spots, but harder to exploit (more financial costs, and more environmental cost : hydraulic fracturing or drilling very deep under the ocean) Your source is BP, do you realize what it means ? You may not know that oceans are like a HUGE buffer when it comes to global warming, this implies that even if we stopped CO2 emissions the warming will continue, cause the oceans will release in the air for quiet a while. Plus methane is not mentioned... but yeah cows ruminate then fart, this produce a lot of methane that contribute to the... yeah you got it ! There are already tons of side effects. Considering humanity, (because earth doesnt need us...) the main impact will be on food. Yeah starvation for the more vulnerables. Enjoy !

Private petty truths are legions but Reality happens to every-things so Otherness is to be considered and Alterity is no enemy because All ends in One and yet... Different thinking does not make it truth, nevertheless belongs to it !