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Dagon - that picture makes my heart smile.

Dagon, I'm not a scientist, just a curious old lady. Please don't go to any further trouble - your explanation was perfectly okay for me. Thanks a million for going to all the trouble -

Okay, I'll bite. This is not a made-up situation. It is happening NOW. My Situation: There is a leak in the basement, under where Joe's bathroom is. There is a big junction of copper pipes there. I called a handyman, he looked and looked at it, said he couldn't see a leak, and that the leak must be from some pressurized pipe UNDER Joe's shower enclosure. I called a plumber, who can't come until Monday. Joe has no patience. He went at the shower enclosure with a crowbar. There are approximately 10 pieces of torn up fiberglass shower enclosure out in our back yard now. Joe, incidentally, is doing all this work after just having a back fusion a month ago, plus a punctured lung because he just had a biopsy on a cancerous spot. Oh, under the shower enclosure? It's dry as a bone under there. MY REAL RESPONSE: FUCK!!!!! You moron! Couldn't you just wait until Monday?? This is going to cost us a fortune now. My TAO response: This is how Joe IS. This is the package I bargained for 27 years ago. How could I expect anything else? We actually had a belly laugh over it. Guess he'll be using my shower for a few days. It's only money....

Yes.

Dagon - thanks, that was fascinating. I had a little trouble understanding the scientist through his accent. Not having watched the first 6 videos, could you answer a question for me? What's inside the disc that the cyllinders are rotating around? Is it some sort of magnet, or is it an electrical source of some sort? Also, those standing things on the outside of the rotation; are those the magnets? Does he ever find a way to isolate an area so that the energy can manifest outwards and useably?

Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will know what you believe. Shaktimama, I just noticed your tag line beneath your response. I've never seen this better put. This is exactly as I see it too. Shamanic perspective must include one leg of the tripod fixed firmly in what the person is currently manifesting. It tells us what their heart actually wants, despite what they say they want. Beautiful picture, BTW...

I'm waiting for mastery of anti-gravity as an energy source.

So you mean Bruce Willis made a movie called the "Fifth Element" and also the "Sixth Sense?" Bruce, by any chance, are you on this forum?

Matching breathing with someone you're working with is wonderful. It brings to the forefront that we are all one creature in essence; it enables us to find the bridge to actually get 'inside' the person's body to the trouble spots. I noticed a few years back that my meditative breating had become circular. The kundalini energy inside me can be rather intense and it seems to have something to do with the breathing. Not only do I get a mental picture, and a physical sense, of a large circle of breath, but there are loops at regular intervals that correspond with my heartbeat, apparently. the zero point with the looping breath seems to happen several times on the inhale, several times on the exhale. It's almost as if there's no sense of in and out at all. It's all one circular motion. Go figure, lol.

Thank you for posting that, Adishakti - looks like a compelling read.

I am really blowing smoke here, because I don't know anything of any of this, from the Chinese traditional point of view. But the term spiritual embryo does strike a chord in me. We must become as a child to be enlightened. We must lose our judgment, leave our minds totally open to receive and accept stimulus from the universe as it comes in; not to be furled in a mindset that is far away, or worried about tomorrow. Even the great shaman the Nazarine said it. Something about being 'as a child' to enter the kingdom of heaven (which is here and now, to my thinking). Perhaps the spiritual embryo concept stems from this idea. We truly are reborn into something different; we develop a burning flame inside, a flame which seems to have more importance to our individual lives than anything that happens on the outside.

I don't think living green fits into the Dog Eat Dog mindset that our economy seems to be based on. This is one mean nation. I listened to Trump this morning talking about running the country like a big corporation - where's the green mindset in that one? What the heck would he do about the little people? The disparity between the haves and have nots in this country has gotten ridiculous. How could anything "green" spring out of this place? How can people care about the planet, when they're pumping so much energy into getting even richer? I just can't stand this....

The expression 'god like power over the weather' isn't the mindset. This mindset, as its worded, displays far too much ego for any effect to be made at all. It's when a weather shaman can get inside the event, without ego, and tap into the Oneness, then is the possibility that change can be effected. It's all One, but egolessness is the key.

This is a seriously eclectic thread.

It works the other way around too. When I was in police work, I indulged the male inside me. The things I had to do, the scary situations I got into, particularly working undercover. The girl inside me was Terrified!! But the male inside me (I was brought up to be the 'first son', although a daughter) would never let on that I was scared shitless, even to myself. I just drank. Now, 30 years later, the female in me is here, and loving it. There's still plenty of male - I can handle just about anything that comes down the pike - but now I get to wear incredible turquoise stuff, and be an artist, and make music, and just not be taken too seriously by anyone, including myself. And I can't even begin to talk about how much better sex is when the male and female are in balance. Back when I was more yang than yin, sex was never very satisfying because I was never able to submit in the yin sense - it was always more of a competition or something, can't quite describe it. Just can't say enough for balance, can we?

Nice find, Seth. I love the part at the end where he says 'humanity remains an ideal we long for'.

I like what you said about the masculine and feminine, Marbles. It takes a man who has done a lot of inner ego work to be able to embrace the female within. Many men are in denial that she lives in there at all.

But it seems to make sense. The sage is the personification of the Tao.

A lemur? That's a bit on the anticlimactic side

Wow. There are a few things in here to talk about. First, as a point of comparison, Wu's first two lines suggest that the Tao can't be turned left or right. This suggests to me that the Tao can't be manipulated. I like that translation. The other translations emphasize the complete totality of where the Tao runs, but leaves out the manipulation angle. Kind of interesting. When the work of the Tao is completed it does not take possession. I guess the Sage is not a braggard either. When we function as vessels of the Tao, where's the need for the attaboy? It's only the ego that needs that. It reminds me of the old book 'The Magnificent Obsession', written by (I just can't remember at this moment). The point of the book was that a man needed to turn his heart around, and he did it by doing wonderful things for people every day that they would never find out about. This obsession grew and grew, to the point where it became Awareness at some level. It was a wonderful story. By not massaging his ego, his true worth came to the forefront. In Lin Yutang's translation, he uses the phrase "It clothes and feeds the myriad things, Yet does not claim them as its own." This also reminds me of my old Christian days and the words of Jesus (who in my mind was probably a magnificent shaman) when he talked about how we shouldn't worry so much about tomorrow because even the sparrows are fed, or something like that. He kind of talked about living in the moment, realizing the Now, that seems to have gotten lost in the current day preachings (or at least the ones around here). Didn't he say something like this day having sufficient things to worry about; don't pile tomorrow on as well. The Tao is in the lowliest of places, it is a ravine for everything. It is the junction box where things take their rise and their fall, over and over again. This apparently is The Secret. To bring this to a personal level, this again is all about Ego. 'Because it does not claim greatness, its greatness is achieved.' (Yutang) But what all these people are saying, whether Tao or not, is TRUST THE UNIVERSE! This is the very state of wu-wei, the very alignment of our awareness with the moment; the Actual passage of earth's time, involving the sun and shadows, as opposed to the time that races around in our minds, which projects out the very worst scenario for tomorrow and then gets into a big snit about it.

Okay. We're probably saying the same thing. Everything is One. Mankind is part of the Everything. Therefore, mankind is all one. We think we are separate rays, but in actuality we are all the sun; that's the metaphor that describes it best for me. I sure hope not to offend anybody, but I have noticed something over the years; that a portion current day mental health professional are rather screwed up themselves. If one spends their entire day looking for the flaws in others, but without knowing themselves first, they are merely solidifying the shield of denial within their own psyche. After all, they are always with the one in the know, their client being the one not in the know. The ego would have a tendency to balloon over the years, this being the case. Thicker and thicker the denial gets. The psychiatrist or counsellor who knows himself to the core, who has become a self-realized individual - think Deepak Chopra - this person knows others because they have found the Source through themselves first; this is the third eye vision that accompanies a true healer of minds. After all, Twinner, how many mental health pros have we met in meetings? And it's in there that they find themselves for the first time.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me. That would be the intent. To get the outside to fall in.

A while back Mal posted a request for all weather shamans to help with the fact that a Category 5 hurricane was hurtling at his house. I don't know how many of us identify as weather shamans - I certainly don't. But I know probably many of us read his thread and responded in the only ways we could think of. My particular way was to do a ceremony involving high pressure over his town, and 'talking' with the hurricane. I found out after the fact that Mal (in Auckland) did the same; something involving a dome of high pressure over his town. I can only guess as to how many others did the same thing, in their own way, for Mal. The incredible thing was, that the hurricane took a jog right before it hit Mal's town, and he got only the back end of the winds. Okay, now somebody's gonna say....'hurricanes take jogs'. And that's the end of that. But do you think it's possible that with many of us, particularly being as spiritually attuned as we are, triangulating our intent onto Mal's situation, that we may well have affected the course of the F-5 coming his way? Perhaps our combined intent would have been as successful as a REAL weather shaman.

I've had a hunch lately (that's all it is, a hunch) that when the evolved ape discovered how to harness fire and not fear it as a wild uncontrollable force, that metaphorically something was 'lit' within the spirit of the animal. Maybe this could possibly be the connection between evolution and creationism; if not this particular event, maybe another. But I kind of like the idea of the discovery of fire, mainly that their lives must have changed dramatically once the concept of the campfire was grasped. No longer would they have to live huddled in fear at the back of a cave, fearful in the dark of animals and other spooky things. They would have time, around the fire at night, to develop a kinship that would have expanded upon the kinship they already had for hunting and gathering purposes. They would have had the time to maybe have a laugh or two - or drawing inside the caves! This would have had to happen after the discovery of fire. So with the discovery of fire came a more permanent type of communication. My hunch is that procreation probably really took off here too. How much better they must have looked by candlelight, lol. And with communication, the more eloquent the glyphs, and with the advent of grunts and words the more verbose it became, I think that's maybe when time laid down and stretched time out like a deck of cards (or at least it seemed to, because after all we're really just talking about the awareness of Man here). But now that time has become instantaneous via all our devices, it's like the cards are stacking back up into a deck again and we're sort of returning to the origins. Or at least it feels that way to me.

On one of the threads, mention was made of this ancient work, the Nei-yeh (inner cultivation or inward training). This looks like wonderful fodder for those of us who concentrate on the inner journey. It is translated by Harold Roth. I'd be willing to post a chapter every few days for continuous discussion, if there's any interest - Chapter One The vital essence of all things: It is this that brings them to life. It generates the five grains below And becomes the constellated stars above. When flowing amid the heavens and the earth We call it ghostly and numinous. When stored within the chests of human beings, We call them sages. This is so very similar to the TTC. I'm guessing there are plenty of people here who would know exactly what the five grains below are, I do not - does this refer to chakras, or organs?. When this essence is achieved and stored within us and available for the asking, this is the world the sage operates in.