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This is way out of Roto Rooter's league - only the Boring Company has offered any hope - but even Elon is apprehensive.

Hi Sean - All the best to you! And may you find the light in the darkest corridors The patience to persevere and find Self And may a trillion billion locusts decend upon the fuck for brains that live in the echo of Trump's colon.

What are your thoughts on the peak / bottom of the economics we are facing in the coming weeks and months and possibly years from the corona virus pandemic? USA I have observed a very wide spectrum of opinions regarding this - in my life of 65 years I have never seen the segment of those believing things that are the stuff of mental wards to any noticeable degree until the past few years. I even found out a workman I know actually and truly is a flat earther and believes the entire corona virus thing is a hoax by the Democrats. The fundamentalists have always been fundamentally whacked - but that has been a given and only since the world was ending starting in the years 100, 1000, 1994, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2006, 2012 and now simply any day, have we seen a real upturn in their whereabouts. But it is no longer just that group, it includes Catholic priests teaching that Democrats are the devil as well (certainly not a surprise - the pope back in hitlers time was friendly to him so nothing is off the table for them - and another inquisition might be just what they need to recover from all the child molestation and murder in their past and current image. But - with that said it is surprising the number of people that seep into a conversation or blurt into one with stupefying idiocy - it is amazing how prevalent it has been here in this blog sphere. So - I am genuinely interested in hearing your take on what’s up and where you think it will bottom out / peak and why. Will it be worse than the Reagan Crash of 1987 ? Worse than the Bush Jr. crash of 2008 ? Will you jump on a packed plane in a couple of months? Sit in a stadium with 80,000 fans? Go to a packed dance hall and busy bar? Those in the most populous and prosperous cities tend to think on either side of the issues, some thinking it will blow over soon and others certain it will be very possibly worse than the Bush jr crash of 2008. Those in the most populous poor cities are pretty much certain they are fucked and in many cases have the adjunct beliefs that this is the apocalypse they have been praying for. Most, but not all, of the rural areas are mesmerized by Fox, flat earthers, prepper’s and as always drugs and alcohol - and right wing corporate interests. The poorer midsection is shutting down factories and laying off huge numbers. The affluent are enjoying the holiday as it is to many and expect their portfolio to blossom again soon enough - though some are concerned that their tenants are not paying and are not sure when their government bailout will arrive - but they are certain it will - when have they ever been forgotten? Meanwhile Biden continues to be wallpaper - I hope he takes on a progressive female VP - something that will get us off our pillows. Trump continues to inspire many of us to carry airbags for the constant vomit we feel coming up when his mask appears - for others he is unlike anything their faith would ever dream of but they are utterly lost in his cocoon of babble. Unlike 2008 - most other countries in the world are in bad shape and will not swoop in to buy up some things and keep us going - they will not be buying up our yachts and going on real estate hunting trips. Many big companies are grinding to a halt world wide not simply nation wide. And the US has not paid a nickel down on its wars and spending - we are already at zero percent - what do the feds have left by comparison? Huge numbers of workers have left or are leaving the big cities and prosperous states - where rents and real estate will plummet - they are going back to huddle with families in areas where houses rent for $600 a month rather than studios for 4500 a month. Students all over the place picked up and left their rooms and apts and went home or hiking and to the beach - those places are empty for April, May and June at least. Interest rates were 4.75 three weeks ago, 3.75 two weeks ago and 2.75 this week - this is NOT NORMAL. The more affluent Maga hat areas seem to be in denial and home prices are staying solid for now and the inventory has not spiked up through the roof at all - while in the more affluent mostly non-Maga hat densely populated areas home sales are flattening or plummeting and inventories are increasing. ( most of the Maga hat areas are not particularly affluent and in general here in the USA almost all of the poorest areas are red areas often full of Maga hats - do you think this will change?). Your thoughts?

This is devastating and happening all over the place. Artist particularly are stopped in their tracks. Movie and theater companies, dance and music. Seasonal industries that are difficult in good times.

the following is a fun read - though sad as well https://apple.news/AnP5_j9UCQZWYbYNieJ76CQ Why can’t President Orange Julius be more like the Queen?

Yes - that’s the one I mentioned to you - just recovering from it on Feb 10th. It will be interesting to see what’s up when they have antibody testing available.

The following is another article that really give us an updated view from the Chinese experience and what it looks like from those with a fuller understanding - and also just how much even those at the epicenters still do not really know - very insightful: https://apple.news/A430DNSCxTwGPwYPgJynX9g

This is from a recent article: https://apple.news/A-CsMWe4kRTiIqsOf3ko2rw “While a majority of patients who become infected with the coronavirus appear to have mild symptoms, or no symptoms at all, it's becoming clear that those with the most severe complications must spend a significant amount of time in the ICU.” excerpt from above article This is not something you will recognize as “different” until perhaps you realize if you contract the cough that it is and stays a dry cough. You may have forgotten the last time you had the flu that it also came with a pile of really shitty feeling things and sweats and chills and feeling like you were going to die. Perhaps that is the biggest problem - my wife certainly had no idea she had it, my son and I thought it was the common flu. We isolated our son and myself but my wife was working full time with a mild but very persistent dry cough. You can have this very life threatening illness and have no recognition of it - at least until now hopefully after reading this - you don’t turn green and have a bullseye on your forehead - one day you can simply have it and be a carrier and a week later have an odd cough and then feel fine in a week or so all the while reading about the corona virus and what it’s like. Or you might suddenly feel really tired all the time and start taking supplements because you think perhaps age has finally caught up with you and then you feel better and go on with everything having no idea that you were tired because you had the virus. Thats why the shortness of breath marker is a bid big thing - if you are ill it is probably going to be fine - but if you experience shortness of breath you need to contact your doctor - I DO NOT MEAN SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT - I mean talk to her/him and if you are unable to actually get through live - then call 911.

We are all fine - My son had the big fatigue and a cough but not a bad one and his fever got to 102 I and the fatigue, fever and a really really bad dry cough - so bad that I lost my voice for a week and six weeks later my voice is not the same and may never be. My wife had a mild fever and a long lasting but much milder dry cough and no fatigue - the cough lasted at least 6 weeks for her before she said it was finally truly gone. We did not experience aches and pain, no diarrhea or stomach problems, no massive sweating or chills - it was the most pleasant flu I have ever experienced with the exception of the cough 😷 It never occurred to me that we had the virus but it was striking how different the experience was from any flu I have had or seen. Normally during flu season if I am coming down with a flu the tell tale signs of aching and feeling hot are clear indications that you will never forget after you have had them a few times. My son got it first and when I asked him questions nothing he said seemed to indicate a flu or much of anything - I though he was just trying to get out of school. Then when he was still in bed and I noticed he was not reading or playing or anything I checked his forehead and he was really hot -102. He slept or just laid there for days only getting up here and there - but his humor was fine and he did not exhibit signs of really being super sick other than the fever, a mild cough and laying in bed not even going upstairs to play video games. His stomach was fine, his appetite was ok and he was not coughing up anything or sounding off - simple children’s aspirin brought down the fever and it was no problem to maintain - no diarrhea - a practically pleasant experience compared to anything I had know called the flu. I came down with it just as he was about to go back to school. Everything was the same for me but the cough was much much worse. Compared to the last time I had the flu around 15 years ago it was nothing at all except for the cough.

There is a point where something can move down into the lungs and it will cause the shortness of breath, the need for a ventilator, irreparable damage and possibly lead to death. But that in most humans will not occur. I will post that info as I find it again. Part of what I was trying to really convey on myprevios post here is that if you feel you might have it - it is nothing to panic about and going to the doctor will not result in getting some cure or medicine you cannot already get at the store - they are not interested in doing much in most cases because the protocol is basically the same for the common flu. The only difference is that they will hopefully be interested in keeping track of how you are doing, where you have been and adding you to the local and national stats. In fact unless you are a wealthy highly insured person they will not monitor how you are doing (in the USA) but tell you if this or that occurs call us, otherwise go home sequester and take it easy.

In the best info that I have finally found the chief sign of concern is shortness of breath. In nearly every case of the flu or in most cases of the corona virus - a visit to the doctor is going to do nothing more than have her or him say “well you have the flu - go home and take plenty of fluids, take it easy and get sleep.” In the case of the virus they may also study you and ask a bunch of questions but then you will be sent home with no more to do that if you had the flu. By time you’re my age (65) you understand that there is no reason to go to the doctor in the first place. But you also understand that you are highly contagious and not to do ridiculous things like go to work and give it to others. You sequester, clean door knobs and a bunch of other things to isolate yourself and just go through it. In the case of corona virus - the marker for calling the doctor is shortness of breath - it is advised that if you experience shortness of breath you should call your doctor and if you have trouble getting through to them then you should call 911 - that is apparently the symptom to consider a serious “get help” alert. One other would obviously and always be chest pains. On a side note I found it interesting that Tylenol was recommended but not Advil as it apparently can destabilize or decrease certain autoimmune defenses somewhat that you specifically would best not decrease if you are fighting the virus - when I had the virus I happen to be using Advil to control sciatica and I got through the virus. In general the virus is like a very light flu with a horrible cough that lasts a long time and is a dry cough which by the way - never breaks up and starts producing phlegm - it stays a dry long lasting cough. I coughed some times to the point of nearly puking trying to cough out something that was never there. We used all the normal flu and cough “off the shelf” remedies and they worked fine - though we never experienced any aches or pain at all. Basically just extreme fatigue, fever and cough.

My wife just got the cough and mild fever - no real fatigue. And thank you for your regards! 😎

Something that eluded my attention until just yesterday: In a bulletin, it said very clearly that if you have symptoms of shortness of breath to call your doctor and if you cannot get through and the symptoms are of any considerable strength - to call 911 What became clear is that you may have incredible fatigue and you may experience a strong dry cough and fever - all indicators but not a tremendous concern other than - DONT GO HUGGING PEOPLE - and do diligence to all flu considerations - which we did - constant wipe downs and my son stayed home about 3 days longer than normal until he was 100% recovered and rested. I canceled all classes and stayed in bed for over a week. But shortness of breath is an indicator of a different level of the virus and often a turning point that may get critical fast. I am basically very certain that i have already had the virus - it was unlike any flu i have ever had - zero aches and pain - no nausea, no diarrhea - extreme fatigue, fever, and long dry cough - i coughed so hard that i lost my voice for a week and now over a month later it appears that i may have permanently damaged my voice - it was a dry cough and the only thing i just about got out of it was a 6 pack from such strong coughing. My son attends a school with lots of affluent Asians (who travel frequently) and i teach classes with affluent Chinese who also travel frequently abroad. We got it around Feb 1st more or less. Anyway to summarize - shortness of breath is a turning point - don't just go it alone at that point - at that point, you will get your doctors attention if you can get a hold of her/him. If not - call 911

Small pocket size fine spray - rubbing alcohol - super easy to carry - dries in seconds - great for door handles and easy to disinfect itself after you spray your hands, just rub in between them.

We are not so far away from becoming a Putin state with a slice of burka - the Orange Virus and the Christian inquisitors are at the ready to make ovens - they live in a fox shithole illusion and have gone completely mad - Ralf Reed is just waiting for the signal to press their automation. They are a fully stockpiled powder keg. Its fine to speak of China - it has a whole host of problems - is it better or worse than Saudi Arabia - ? Certainly we here in the USA enjoy many things at this time - so did the Germans before they started gassing fellow humans - the ones they started calling names - because they mimicked their name calling shithole hitler and those industrialists that supported the pea brained sewer mind. You can look elsewhere and say it is worse but don’t divert your eyes - that yellow that is darkening your boots is not rain.

It is weird here in the USA I watch the news and when heads of this administration get on the air and talk about what is being done i have no trust what so ever if they are in any way telling the truth. Certainly the Orange Virus - Shithole Trump is completely unreliable as both a pathological liar and consummate con artist. Our secretary of Defense has his nose up the president's ass - complete two face - but does anyone have a choice? Not one Governor can really say the President has been horrible - they know if they do he will take it personally and fuck whatever state he wants - and his base is completely supportive of doing anything against the east and west coasts - what they openly teach students are the Sodom and Gomorrah's of our country.

At Trader Joe’s today my wife’s mother received a free bouquet 💐 of flowers! They are giving away their flowers to people here and there that they notice are not hoarding! They came up to her and said “ you’re not hoarding” and then came back with the flowers and explained they were giving the flowers away to shoppers not hoarding 😎🌞👍

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/16/coronavirus-people-line-up-gun-stores-stock-up/5054436002/ Gun sales are up as they have been for decades now as the sewer minds of the evangelicals has spread and been empowered by the right wing dis-ease. Not only the corona virus is doing this but the extrapolation that the chance of a Democrat winning the Presidency has just jumped up considerably. The evangelicals actively and openly teach that democrats are “of the devil” and they absolutely live in the embrace of a very soon to come apocalypse. The NRA actively promotes along with the preppers (those constantly preparing for the end times which they believe we are in) that evil democrats are going to take their guns away - despite the fact that Bush Jr. a Republican had guns confiscated during the Katrina disaster by force door to door with federal, state and local troops. Despite the fact that open carry laws and relaxation of gun laws took place at an unprecedented level during the Obama administration. At the hint of a possible democrat at the helm, gun and ammo sales have gone through the roof for decades now. They are fully prepared for civil war and want it to happen. We actually do face a serious possible dilemma in the next election: What to do if Trump refuses to leave office if he loses?

The big gun stores in the Bible belts have lines around the block - as they say “best to stock up for the cause”. and it’s not just confined to the Bible Belt but it’s miles over the top in those areas. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/16/coronavirus-people-line-up-gun-stores-stock-up/5054436002/ Yes it is scary here in the USA Its the new white meat - evangelicals - legions of headless swine with a pathological liar at the mount and a thousand hysterical foxes on their loudspeakers. They actively teach that Democrats are of the devil and end of times is their constant mantra - the sewer mind of dying religions is actively inculcated and rampant in many outlying areas of this country. These people could easily turn to oven building - they are entirely out of their minds.

Definitely the “we are all in this together” attitude here! A smile goes a long way - and a “thank you for working here today - I really appreciate it”

It has started to subside here - getting food is not nor has it ever been a problem for me anyway - San Francisco Bay Area. Toilet Paper and disinfectants are starting to be ok. Disinfectants are still generally emptied by mid morning if they are available at all. Ive seen several people bringing in new freezers. In general everybody is way more friendly - people seem to go out of their way to smile.

What Shithole Trump claims is an ongoing sickminded maze and con. Mexico will build our wall and his daddy only loaned him 1 million dollars. How far we have come. 16,000+ lies and counting and the Evangelicals all have brown noses

You are correct - my point was that we are already seeing possible positive solutions and it supports the notion of flattening the curve and such simple and helpful measures as sequestering in place and distancing ourselves - sane solutions rather than burying our heads in the voids of air heads that are clueless.

Apparently Japan has a VERY promising vaccine that has shown very good results in a test of over 350 people in China. Sitting on our hands as Rideforever suggested is and has never been what humans do - unless it is a king in a palace that shut his own people out of the fortress. Or people that have gone mad and followed an idiot putting people into ovens. It is an amazing thing to worry on the side of a few good years of an economy and not think in terms of human life. The Shithole mind of Trump thinks that way - but he is clearly a person with very certain mental dysfunctions. The number of people that declare bankruptcy in this country (USA) because of inadequate health care and health care denial and delay and litigation is intolerable - yet the shithole minds of those that love action when it comes to war and bombing can't seem to see how absurd it is in their narrow myopic lack of vision. Our debt to the Chinese just from the money Bush Jr. borrowed for the rediculous and worst run war in our history - the Iraq war - just the interest is enough to pay for health care, homeland security and education combined. Shithole minds that proffer up dime store la de da simple minded answers should continue to do the menial things they are best suited for - even if that is squandering over 400 million of their daddys money. https://www.thebalance.com/medical-bankruptcy-statistics-4154729

All the best to you out there StarJumper