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The Basic's - the Foundation is never discarded. It is the most advanced of all practice. To dismiss this is to have a very poor understanding of the Basic's. If you are thoroughly grounded in the Foundation - you will proceed in no need of a master - but if a master is needed or wanted a master will arrive. Part of the Basic's is to understand or have indicated to you in and through practice - your strengths and weaknesses regarding energetic fluxuations and capacities. Subjugation is an abyss. Subtle bodies are not forced into molds of concept and doing. Carry Salt - with a grain of salt check that you are not deluding yourself Measure head - listen to how you speak and follow your path - it is a religion? something you believe in? or is it not something but a way of being that brings you to drop belief again and again and find presence in non-grasping. Is there ever increasing patience or more and more expedient means?

One can pound the square peg into the round hole relentlessly- in the fires. Eventually the corners may wear down and we can claim victory in a force fit - but it is a delusion - and the fires have been only appeased - the inertia’s are still well exercised and awaiting however much they have taken a back seat.

A good point - words are fickle It was in relation to the quote. A return to the Ocean was never a “return” but “one’s” identification in the waves is relinquished to the living light - no thing ness.

We tend to see delusion as an early stage malady - it is an ever increasing malady and essentially how most try to “die” by perfecting according to Will.

The constraints of grasping (willfulness), the tyranny of desire to the liberation in Light. Nothingness is Divine Essence - Unencumbered Radiant Light.

The repetition of moving to Self and moving to noise in Practice and “after practice” finds noise both more bearable and less bearable. Dirty dishes sit in piles stashed in futures and pasts - in tensions of what to do and not do. Self is not in this tension Right practice is movement to Self not from tension.

We create dams We repair dams We perfect dams They are the summation of our tensions - karma Grace in a critical mass finds us no longer in these tensions of willfulness The dams fall away enmasse — The deconstruction of dams in doing is the construction of diverters and or new dams. The construction of Pride - one who knows. — To gain all knowledge is to know nothing.

It was written to have specific effects on one when reading it. It holds to certain frequencies relentlessly and beyond that I would only want to speak about it with those that have read through it twice. It can be read through somewhat quickly in the first go or not and probably is best at a bit of a pace. It is often given considerable reverence and that is good in order to give you the impetus to drive on through it. It is not the greatest book - but it is a masterpiece in its construct. Like a sustained high note breaks glass.

If and when you decide to read "Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson" it is meant to be read through. It is a musical book - a tonal book that is a Master Piece just as Gurdjieff said it is. It's content is not it's worth but the entire structure of it. It is a composition - that has very real profound effects - though few have an idea of what I am talking about either before or after reading it. https://www.amazon.com/Beelzebubs-Tales-His-Grandson-Everything/dp/0140194738

All of the books are quite excellent - the Fourth Way - In Search of the Miraculous - Meetings with Remarkable Men and on and on including many other students. They are in a fresh western wording and the Forth Way is Ouspensky's mostly verbatim accounting of the teachings of G. Lets assume Gurdjieff is exceedingly profound and as fantastical as it seems he may have been. Ask your friend - "if i awoke tomorrow" - self awakening - what would you be able to offer in the form of any clue as to what has transpired? G often spoke of needing someone who had been outside the jail to shed some light on what it is like - what is the lineage that she can offer that has this living teaching? Is your friend - friendly in the normal sense - or does she tend to be on the very serious side of seriousness? I ask the last question because while G had a great and often very vulgar sense of humor - most in these groups tend to be nearly as stiff as a thin piece of glass. With perfection pictures that are beyond reason and very often fully ready to accommodate a tyrant in want of a shock. Intentional speaking and intentional everything is indeed a fun exercise for a bit of time - and quite difficult for some - tolerating Roostering Alpha's in hopes of a real dressing down is more of a Christian exercise but often rampant in the inner meetings. Take the teachings for what they are - old words in new wording - from a very flamboyant character. Gurdjieff was a con-artist, thief and trickster by his own admission - a heavy drinker - a womanizer and definitely a man of Many talents. He moved about during exceptionally difficult times wherein lots of these talents were useful and enabling. In his teaching he often lead the students to complete drunken stupor and excess. Does his teachings and those of Ouspensky have merit? - without any doubt - should you be wary - as wary as you should always be - until either you are safely back asleep or simply have moved on from worry. As in all of this: Carry Salt and Measure Head Take it all with a grain of salt and feel within and listen. Measure your head often - if it has begun to swell look at what beliefs you have swallowed. I know of few groups that think they have the inside track as much as Gurdjieff group members and fundamentalists/athiests.

From beginning meditators one often hears two complaints: I feel pressure It is boring This is caused from the location of the Light of Presence and ones inclinations and habituations and willfulness. Most humans have their attention in the forward part of the head or just outside of the forehead - with an inclusion of some of it generally still forward inside. The forward area is among other things where we analyze - it is the swarm of our habituated frequencies - it is our work desk for thinking and rethinking. Trying to Be in this location with our Awareness and not have thoughts is for many something that will create pressure - like going to a bar and telling everyone your not there to drink and please don't bother me about it. For some this is also an area of considerable clarity and dominance - it is the work desk - the drivers seat. Trying to Be in this location with Awareness is like sitting at your work desk and not working - sitting in the cockpit and sitting on the tarmac. Simply be with Awareness - Presence in the center of the head - in other words just move back an inch or two. ----- As this has progressed - Be in the central axis of your bodies: From the perineum to the top of the head and just slightly back - the axis is the root, the trunk and the canopy Be in this Axis - any where along it or in all of it Feel it from the abdomen - upward It is much easier to abide in the center of the head and / or anywhere in the axis. there is an endless and effortless dissolving of channels and bodies - simply Be in the Axis - in Presence

I have not pursued this but I know of one institute that is solely dedicated to translating Tibetan works. It may well be that there is an English institute or group dedicated to translating the texts you would like to have translated and perhaps you could find such a group and present them with your list. there is no question that as this relates to relatively esoteric teaching the translators would need to be very very specialized. A slight turn of a phrase can entirely change the messaging.

In the same context as Gurjieff one might also look at the many great works from Theosophy and at some of the great teachers that came from that “tradition” such as the well known Rudolf Steiner and the extraordinary Franklin Merrel Wolff: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0791419649?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title The Theosophy groups are generally little more than gatherings of politely interested folks who often invite interesting lecturers. But many of the books offer in Western terms superb introduction and clear thinking regarding practice. However - I am not talking about Blavatsky who was Gurdjieff’s double in so many ways. She was interesting and certainly no fool - but ... The Secret Doctrine is dribble compared to Franklins work copied above - and so is any of G’s - though I agree with G - B’s tales to his Grandson is a masterpiece - if read through in sequence.

Let us remember - Ouspensky was not “in his wake” as an after thought - he was there and working with G in his writings, practice and doings. His (“G’s”) efficacy in impressing people was top notch - in Waking them Up - very poor. I can think of several Awakened teachers that were for a time and sometimes for many decades ardent students who Awoke after leaving the groups and attest that the G work was of no value or little value and also often concur that they were lost in heady appeal with elaborate and interesting dance and work but - not really associated with Awakening and in many ways replacing real work with a high form of song and dance and delusion.

I have read nearly all or all of both Gurdjieff and Ouspensky and was obviously enticed and fascinated enough to do so. I was also a member of one of the many groups at one time and became friends with someone quite famous in the many groups that exist today. The fundamental problem with what has come to us is the top heavy heady nature of the teaching and a general reliance on the accepted need for an Awakened teacher. Some of the general concepts entirely taken from the east have been so well acclimated to clear English that it is hard to put the books down. Such concepts/observations as “walking sleep”, “intentional suffering” and general references to automation within the noise of the illusions. Further, one is enticed with an entire array of reasonings and labelings and mental notations in all sorts of things that pretty quickly one thinks they know something “secret” in a way and now it is a matter of “the tough work” upon oneself and the ending of all the cracks in the dam. However - it is hard to find a more clueless group when it comes to actually achieving - nor groups more beset with extreme competition and judgement. Self subjugation and Doing is chief among the habituations The groups unknowingly and knowingly hyper practice. Often knowing little to nothing about meditation. If you do find yourself Awakened consider that in high probability - not one member of your group will rejoice, understand or not rebuff you. At best you will be questioned to death in order for them to access if you are a man number 7 or some level or on what Ray - as if they have any slight understanding of the teaching/programming that they have read. The group dynamic is awesome - but dries up in the sterility of the heady ness - at the time I could not have been more intellectual and all of it was intoxicating - luckily I had a strong base in real Yoga - with a far greater depth and not fragmented borrowing from a very charismatic leader. I did enjoy the group - but it became quite clear that for all the finery and exceptional meetings - the reading of Carlos Castenada and others proved equally valuable if not more valuable as they did not offer such a complete detour. I say “detour” because the top down approach is a bit like going to a bar in order to stop drinking. As a side note: Beelzebubs Tales to his Grandson should not be read here and there. It should be read from one end to the other. And then read again from one end to the other. Otherwise you can toss it in the trash. It is a vibrational work of art - the general content is and always was of no great value - it’s artistry and strength is in full readings start to finish. Gurdjieff himself would laugh at the thought that it’s parted out content was something more than bafoonery. (I do not mean to imply that one should read all 1100 pages in one sitting - but rather that it is not a book you pick up and read out of order that is nearly always pithy and often any page is apt to be perfect on its own.)

A key to neutrality is “center of head”. it is difficult to be disentangled from inertia’s of one’s habituations if Awareness is forward in the head or just outside of the head.

I had the pleasure of meeting Dorthy Maclean - she is quite wonderful and has spoken to many types of beings including the spokesperson for a group of animals and areas. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Maclean I have done this as well but by no means am I adept in it as she has really practiced this over many years. She speaks to the overseers of cities and countries - it was very interesting talking to her about these things. She has at least one book out on it and she may still travel but I’m not sure - it was over 20 years ago. Specifically - devas, local spirits, ondines, fairies, trees etc. For most of us speaking with Beings in the broader sense is easy by comparison to those mentioned above - though animals are also fairly easy.

I have spoken to cats in perfect English. Cats and horses are among the easiest to communicate with. Most communication is quite simple and direct. Dogs are easy and birds are fast and fun - squirrels are often very open. Everything is alive - absolutely everything. This attitude will help to understand this awareness. Awareness in a 20 million year old rock May be different than a cars or a rug or a bug - but each has awareness. Humans tend to be loud and in want of something - our energy is often oppressive and bossy. We are extremely well exercised in willfulness and me-ness. And we approach communicating with Other as though they are lower - or Angels and Higher Beings. Very few exercise neutrality - Very Few even comprehend the idea of neutrality.

Anna below shares her experiences in an excellent interview. The neutrality in the approach to animals and many other things she brings up has been my experience as well. https://batgap.com/anna-breytenbach/

It is not a linear path - yet one can be lost in the linear. One is “on” the Path or “in” the Way - in practice while not seeking in one’s seeking. No striving to attain yet attaining The binding obscurance is habit and inertia In Abiding Awakening all seeking ceases, stillness awakens - “practice” continues or not. Awakening can become an island - quite a sweet one - it is an island as One though it may aleady have been in Unity Awareness or yet attain it. Often one attains Unity Consciousness and thinks they have attained Awakening - so much falls away in the non-competition of newly arrived Unity Consciousness - But personality is still much remaining. In Awakening by so many definitions - Abiding Awakening is Enlightenment - and it certainly will include the end of suffering and the end of seeking and may well include such as spontaneous creation and many other arising in non-effort. One will find constant awareness even during sleep. No dreaming But by experience and not modesty it is hard to use the word Enlightenment easily - the massive expansion is seemingly endless. The absurd energies becoming increasingly absurd The bodies endlessly refining Specs of willfulness spit in the heat pasts and futures all as one or none The golden light evermore pervading Enlightenment- a finite word - is to tight Awakening - Abiding Awakened - this is no common shift. Getting a taste of it is exciting but by no means is it Abiding. Abiding Awakening is truly beyond words - but wordless does not ascribe an ended state. An Enlightening State - the Awakened Abiding Awareness has embodied Self - the subtle bodies may be far from refined and a coarse sage may arise - a wide awake diamond with some un-polished facets. The lines on the face of such a one will soften over time if growth continues - or as may be the case - residual urges lead to teaching too soon and words mixed with assumption. So much falls away that much that has not can be overlooked. And light that is so bright it is unbearable but again and again this falls away - as fear has no place to land.

How to become less blind Do not “know” that you cannot see Do not “know” that it will take a great deal of work Do not “know” that you must seek and find a master Do not “know” what you believe The basics in practice will bring to you all - the teachers will come - the teachings will arise There is no mountain not within you - no teaching can hide from you No master can refuse you Be relentless in un-knowing

Now we are entering a departure where there is some agreement. Your prior arguement has been from local mind and it is untrue. In this new arena the use of conscious and subconscious is an unfortunate holdover to language of almost a century ago. And “mind” in this higher sense is far better stated as Emotive Awareness or Higher Emotion.The word “mind” points in directions that in no way resemble what is being pointed to here. 1.19. śaktisandhāne śarīrotpattiḥ By infusing his energy of will the embodiment of that which is willed occurs at once. -Shiva Sutra ”will” is a reasonable term in use here but “known certainty” is much closer. “Well beyond the conscious aspects of mind for most, that is why many think they have a "quiet mind" when it is really just quiet at the conscious level and they have not dug deeper into the subconscious aspects of mind.” In Awakening dreams stop.

You have looked for the examples that support your theory - but if you are going to be fair quote the many that do not.

This is a reference to a relatively harmless small group that enjoys what excites you. They do not have intention to harm and have little to work with - they are very simple and automated. However they can cause great mischief through no fault or malign intent of their own - nor are they “negative beings” or stuck beings. They enjoy what excites you and act to foster that excitement. If one is mired in mind loops of hate or highly positioned politics or religion or lust or raging passions - they will help to facilitate all aspects in you that help to promote inducing the tipping points to the rising up of those often out of control aspects of dissipation in you. They can do this in helping you to eat or drink poorly, by resonating to vibrations that irritate or stimulate, by blocking pathways or rerouting as best they can. They do not do this diabolically but by acclimating to your addictions and simply coming to mechanically “understand” the trigger points of your automation and trance properties. Nearly all humans are asleep entirely and don’t take a great Consciousness to find the automated habituations. As these wider swings subside - these little “entities” subside.