Rara
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I might be in need of a break down if I haven't understood your question but... Wu wei is a pretty old idea, right? "You’re kind of saying that the the goal is not the unintentional outcome of things practically working out?." Had to double-quote because this has thrown me with the double negative - sorry!
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Sometimes they may not look at the mirror. But hey, that's not your problem.
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I say actually, understand nothing. I sum up Daoism as a philosophy of no philosophy. Moreso the "undoing" of what has already been done. Relax...forget. The true essence of us lies underneath all the mess that's in our minds.
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@lrn2livorlive2lrn @ilumairen Ok, I think you just exposed the fact that I do not have the Dao of Frying
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Actually, I'm sorry too. My tone was off, and I shouldn't expect you (or anyone who isn't familiar with me here) to know what I was getting at. I'm trying to emphasise that I agree with a lot of the OP. I'm always quick to call out blatant woo-woo, but a big lesson in Daoism is that certain practices have great value. These are recognised by doctors, for example.... Empty the mind, fill the belly: Meditation technnique that can help one keep calm and feel inner strength, peace and clarity. Taiji practice. Focus, coordination and a healthy, functioning body. Avocados aside, I bet you could find a simple example. My go to is this: When you fry food and it sticks to the pan, you could put a lot of energy into scrubbing it. This costs time, and it is tiring. Or you could soak it overnight in soapy boiling water and let it do the work for you. When you come back in the morning, the task will be 10x easier and take a matter of seconds. "Do what is difficult when it is easy"- Laozi There is a massive chemical process here, which is all well and good. But the Daoist needn't delve into all that as a Daoist. If the Daoist chooses Chemistry as a walk of life, then that is Chemistry within the Dao. The practitioner could use Daoist practices to enhance learning of said chemistry in order to master it... ...that that would be chemistry. Daoism is still just Daoism
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I don't dispute any of this. Never have, never will...you take my words so literally. Point being, we could be having a productive thread right now about using Daoism practically/pragmatically but instead, we waste our energy splitting hairs over the OP's tone that hit a few nerves. Can we talk about avocados again?
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I trained for a month outside and got eaten all the time. The mosquitos had no chill, wouldn't let up. My training partner suggested ointment. *shrugs* I didn't bother with the ointment and was eventually stung by something nasty that swelled up horribly!
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A mess more than anything due to the impossible task of translating. That's why these threads go nowhere, because people dig for answers in a western way. Chinese dudes be looking at this thread going "huh?"
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Listen to Rocky, he is correct...
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I single this out completely because yes, Daoism doesn't. Your other two posts, ok. Again, this merely describes the function, and whatever tests are done, results recorded and so forth. You don't need Daoism for any of that though
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You're learning correctly Your humbleness is pleasant. I enjoyed this because you've pointed out two vital things: we are all different and there are different schools of thought. For me, it isn't the intricate details that I'm concerned with. We will all argue/debate until the cows come home. But none of it reeeeally matters anyway. We're just filling the empty space with a bit of noise. At it's simplest, at least we all cultivate in one way or another and the closer we get to the basics of what works unanimously (i.e A meditative practice, calming, going with the flow etc.) we're doing something along the lines of Daoist practice.
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Ok - explain as in, what the hell is it? Mechanics of the brain, fine. The CNS, fine. Heart beat and blood flow, fine. What keeps us ticking as machines is all very well explained, and bravo to those that spent hours upon hours researching, practicing and developing the world as well as the human body to what we have today. We now have phenominal surgical procedures because of this, as an example. But we also have the wonderful ability to avoid surgery, to stay healthy amd youthful without the need for any of this as well. All these things are within the Dao and compliment each other. What good is they hypothesis when you know the study won't go anywhere? I think you haven't considered that fact at the root of Taoism, we don't concern ourselves with trying to understand the non-understandable. If people are giving you hocus pocus, they have misunderstood and they are not worth your time. May I ask, whay science can "disprove", so that I can contextualise?
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This.
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Actually, I have found that the traditional teachers are more scientific than magical. No one ever told me this stuff is magic. Just remember, science cannot explain consciousness, emotion nor self-awareness. These are things we just have to delve into ourselves. Science can explain and measure, but it cannot prove.
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I'd rather cut an avocado correctly right now, without leaving a load of it in the skin and having to scoop it out. Flying in the air would suck if no one else could do it with me.
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Perhaps hours upon hours of training led to a wonderful spontaneously beautiful slice? In that moment, in the "zone", you had a glimpse of mastery. Unconscious perfection... ...wu wei... ...it may not happen again, but something else might. Just throwing it our there, but working with that qi is doing something, whether you're aware of it or not. It just depends how much you care for its theory. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
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Fair. 95% Of people in the world talk but don't deliver. I mean, not just with Taoism, but in pretty much everything. Human life, eh?
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Of course, the philosophy is most pragmatic. The rest isn't nonsense though. Yin and yang, one does not exist without the other. Some people's interpretation or understanding may well be nonsense though.
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Nice post. I actually thought you were trolling by repeating the same thing over and over again though. I think you missed my 2nd post brah
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Further to my post above, where I debated with the parents, every child is not born into sin (but they can pick it up very quickly) Although I won't call it sin. Those biblical ideas are a bit too draconian for me.
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I had an interesting chat with my parents about my Taoist cultivation and how returning to the source, that of a newborn child is equivalent to the Christian belief of purifying the soul, giving not into temptation and so forth. After all, it is exposures to this life that provide us with things such as desire, greed....(kinda like the devil, huh?) I love it when religions can find common ground
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Balancing physical conditioning with internal cultivation
Rara replied to dwai's topic in Daoist Discussion
Is there much point in doing strength exercises as a Taoist? When we live in a tense world, surely internal forms take priority? I'm curious to know what people think, because I currently feel that lifting is counter-productive to a practitioner. But I change my mind a lot. -
Balancing physical conditioning with internal cultivation
Rara replied to dwai's topic in Daoist Discussion
Sure. I was just going through that adolescent phase of aiming for 180+ I think genes are everything. Some people are just built big. My friend's a tank, barely eats and cycles a lot. No lifting or protein would get me anywhere near. -
Balancing physical conditioning with internal cultivation
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5'10". I did all this before. Just ended up shitting a lot haha -
In that case, for now, I would suggest sticking to basic breathing meditations and look around this forum for other threads. There are plenty of meditation and qigong techniques of you search around. But until you find some, try 30 minutes every morning and night time, cross legged sat on a high cushion, facing south. Palms on your knees. Eyes relaxed, half closed and gaze down toward your nose. Breathe in and out through the nose and after 5 minutes of calming down, relax your eyes. You can close them if you don't lose your focus. Feel the breath going into the lower dantien (just below the belly button) and focus until the end of the meditation. The more you practice, the more you will feel your energy over time. It's a good place to start until you find your practice. Good luck