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Finally, I have read this! And I must say, wow...this is strong I won't say anything else until I have read the rest of the thread but thanks! One thing though, isn't this the "precision" we were talking about in the other thread?

This is exactly the way I should be thinking. Perhaps it was the combination of my attitude and the food that made me sick, not just the food. I must admit, I was overthinking it... "Should I just go to McDonalds? What about only putting good quality into my body? But there really is nothing else around and I don't wanna go hungry." *Eats burger* "That was shit. Tasted horrible too, I feel so bad for eating that. All that time away from meat and now I do this? Good move fool" That was my thought process last night. Thirty minutes later, my stomach was in pain. Had the pains this morning too. Ok, time to transmutate!

So...on the road tonight, needed food desparately... I caved. Went for my first red meat in months and ended up being McDonalds. Choices were very limited! FFS I'm currently typing this on the toilet. Went twice in ten minutes before the gig as well. FFS.

Yo,edit that link to be blogspot? This one takes me to a site about Jesus...

Don't get me wrong, I do not like the fact that they go through pain and die. But at the moment, I accept it as a way of nature...food chain and all that. It was that feeling I got when I turned originally, and last time as well. The animals are like brothers and sisters to me, how can I eat them? I just started feeling really crappy. I went back to meat gently last Monday and today, I feel stronger than I have since about late February.

Lol...whatever works for you.

I swear, I have gone the distance to extract as much protein and omega 3 out of everything I can. To the point where linseed and chia seed are still a staple in my breakfasts and I have a mushroom and chick pea addiction. But still not enough protein and brain fuel imo...not for my level of activity.

No, I plan to out of curiosity. What I meant was, it's not like a vegan website will give it 10/10 is it? They've reviewed it with a purpose to bash it. However, yes, I'm not bold enough to argue that it cannot work for everyone. For me, my life choice as a travelling musician and event worker means I cannot always prepare food well and on the road, I loaded up with junk because veg options are limited. My girlfriend is still vegetarian and that's fine. Ideally, I wouln't like to eat an animal. I also don't like payimg taxes but some things just have to be done.

That's not really a review. That's just a vegan arguing against an opinion. If you read the book, how objective do you think you will be to the ideas she presents?

I remember the passage from earlier in the thread. I see where you're coming from (I presume these are your words?) The desire left me too...I wouln't label myself vegetarian when I turned again in January...I just didn't eat meat. I guess my decision now still isn't out of desire. I just feel it's neccessary.

Although this thread was never designed to "prove a point" (well, I guess I broke my own rule anyway) this post has a very good one!

What do you mean by this btw? In meditation, my jaw is relaxed, so no teeth together. If I do kung fu forms, teeth together (just because jaw should never hang in combat otherwise if it gets punched, big chance of it breaking!) I can't speak for tai chi though.

It's hard at first. When I first tried this, I produced so much saliva and I nearly choked. Seems to be ok now! Practice as usual, does the trick

Seems most common and I was in a supermarket. Claims that it has other fish oils in it (Seven Seas brand) and is good for the brain (and joints) Why do you ask?

Sure...but then there is cooking for the next night. My partner and I are both highly active and out of the house a lot of the time, yet we still cook every other night (saving a load for the next night) When we get the chance, we will cook some lunches up but as our "job lives" have no routine, it's impossible to have a strict cooking routine. Thanks for all your inlut though, I do appreciate it Please don't feel that I am calling it a fad diet for all vegetarians. Just for me as in previous seasons, it's been carb cutting and protein shakes. It's the way I tend to do things and just seems silly as I never accept that I always end up back at square one.

I shall get the book, sounds interesting. Or is this a test? Am I being seduced again? Lol

Anyway, conclusion for myself... I should give Confucius a chance.

Haha... Well, I think there are more reliable resources to support lack if free will than there is to support the existence of the Easter bunny.

Full circle (this is what I do) I had cod liver oil today. I haven't been functioning well mentally recently. Going to be less strict about it...just eat healthy

My friend, I have been cooking and tubbing to the point of exhaustion. Cold beans with a plastic fork on a train is far from practical also (I travel daily for work...I still don't drive and it's hard to find time to eat as it is) Not to mention my struggle to keep weight up. I can live off potatoes, pulses, mushrooms, greens etc...if I'm content to drop to 130lbs and stay there forever.

Hi! Yes, sorry, it has been a lot of back an forth. It has certainly opened my eyes over the past few months. There will be a more balanced diet, no excessive or poor quality meat. But by eating meat again, I know I won't be eating as much processed food to stop me dropping weight!

5 months and I feel my brain is barely here any more. Correct, it is impossible to maintain unless I have all the time in the world to prepare food. It started ok but eventually, the fantasy is over and it's a choice of...oh, buying a cheese and onion pastie on the go ...again....eating a peanut butter sandwich....again or going hungry. I have overloaded on sugar and bread once again because there just is not enough time to prepare more chick peas and broccoli in my day! I bought some cod liver oil and just had my first dose. Vegetarianism officially broken. Damn me and my fad diets!

That indeed is the argument! I don't wanna believe it. But it could be true.

No, I meant...is that what you meant? Lol

We got on to the topic of how we felt Zhuangzi might have been as a person, and I argued that he would see "religious Taoism" as contradictory to his philosophy. Nothing directly relevant to the chapter though!