Jax
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You are absolutely correct. This is why you really need a one on one discussion with someone who knows the territory perfectly well. Its not a formula, one size fits all. However, once you recognize, then its known. Then you find your own ways to trigger this again and again, short moments, many times until stable. The state is always stable, as the Basis doesn't change. But what is not stable is the absence of mind. The mind comes and goes, not rigpa. Get that? The biggest aspect of the mind that comes and goes is the sense of a "me". That is a subconscious projection that "you" do not control. That projection exists because the dumb mind consciousness doesnt know its situation properly. It mistakes the body, mind, thoughts, memories and self-image to be an existing "me". So it projects this historical "me" entity. It is created the same way that your self in your dreams at night is created. But when you wake up, you don't notice the subconsious is projecting another dream identity. That projection is "you", your current experience of "me" identity. Observe this sense of self, differentiate it from the empty observingness that is not a projection, when successful you will pop back into what you always are when not day dreaming being someone else: rigpa. I can dialogue to expose the "I" projection with you. Its like when the mind ceases believing that a rope in a dark room is not a snake when the lights are turned on. Likewise suddenly the mind realizes there is no "personal" self... poof!
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That's not true at all. You are that rigpa, but you are "vibrating" at a wavelength below the frequency of "Clear Light". Just notice the pure "instant presence", the "changeless observingness", the transparent awareness that is the knowingness in each moment. The "vibration" is mind, thoughts, a coarser consciousness. The vibration or "rigpa i' tsal" is the "ignorant consciousness" (shes pa) that does'nt know its rigpa essense. Collapse your "vibrating" as thought into the pure non-dual aware Knowingness, that is always "still" and self-liberate in this moment! A helpful pointer: Some think the state of Clear Light Awareness (rigpa) comes and goes. Then they wonder what to do to get that state of rigpa back again. Actually this view is part of the problem. One's natural condition is always as Clear Light Awareness. However the mind is what comes and goes, not rigpa. This is like saying "I will be the sky when the clouds finally leave" Instead of seeing that you are always the sky, whether the clouds are there or not. Rest as vivid and alert, "unestablished" observingness, your vast sky-like nature and notice as mind, thoughts and perceptions come and go... like clouds.
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From another thread... this may help: In Dzogchen Thogel these inner chakras are what one works with, in the thogle context they are known as "dronma" lamps as opposed to "khorlo" (chakras). Rigpa is considered to be a thigle or dronma of pure Knowing in the brain. The basis or Zhi is considered to be in the heart chakra. In realization the rigpa thigle moves down into the heart. That is the meeting of the son light and mother light. In thogal practice one is integrating the light of rigpa that shines out the eyes as beads of rigpa, thigle, that appear as though out in the space in front of one. Actually this is all taking place in the heart but appears as thought "out there".
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No, not mental constructions... just luminous appearances... unconstructed, unestablished.
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The Wisdom Eye knows Clarity, Emptiness and Transparency. What the Heart sees is beyond description...
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All of this talk of preparations and prelims. is not in line with the Dzogchen view. These are all empty words and mental constructions. Simply rest in the vivid "unestablished". This is nirvana... Why get caught up in all these stories: paths, gurus, levels, seeds, obscurations, karma, attainments etc.? These are just empty day dreams... Where can any ground be found in this moment? There is no ground and hence no place for obscurations to accrue...
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No, you begin seeing from the heart through the kati light channel and the "wisdom eye" in the forehead.
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The rainbow body is the effect of the depth of training. If you don't finish here, you can in the bardo. No big deal.
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You see the totality as a transparent hologram... yet in full 3D. Transparency or "Zangthal" is a buzz word, a hallmark of instant presence. The mind has transformed into Clear Light. Its like pouring clear water into clear water... transparency upon transparency.
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Neither... not relevant at all in these contexts...
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No thank you... You can do some work and then I can clarify. Ok?
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Each moment is absolutely perfect, the display of Kuntuzangpo, just as it appears. That's why there is nothing to do in "Dzogchen". Its already complete. You just need to "see" it. That's what the direct introduction does... "shows you this".
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Yes, you are just not educated on the topic. Read "Heart Drops of the Dharmakaya" by Shardza Rinpoche, who attained rainbow body. You find a free download on the net.
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Tantric systems are not "independent". Buddhist Tantra is grounded in the lower yanas perspectives of emptiness, samaya, bodhicitta, Buddhist yidams, acquiring virtue... etc. Tantra requires refuge and all the preliminaries. Original Dzogchen is "independent" but not Tantra. "
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Sure of what? Well, Tenzin Wangyal publicly said that less than 1% of students will reach enlightenment in this life. Most Lamas haven't, so the odds are not looking so good... Just my opinion. Get the trekchod down. What happens to the body doesn't make any difference at all. You can purify the remaining "bagchags" in the bardo by remaining in the Clear Light Dharmakaya state of recognition as "kadag".
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Hey Jeff! Norbu calls Rigpa "instant presence". "Instant Presence" is not something we accomplish. "Instant Presence" is simply this moment fuly embodied knowingly. When this moment is fully known, the wisdom of this moment is self-known, as it is an inseparable aspect of this moment. Rigpa is never lacking in any moment, when recognized as having always been here timelessly. Rigpa IS the moment when fully known as is. Hence nothing obscures rigpa. Each moment is its pure display. How can waves obscure the ocean, no matter their shape, size, duration or color?
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Wrote this on the spur of the "moment"... "What is Dzogchen, the Great Perfection? It is only this moment, not more, not less. It's not a teaching or theoretical understanding. It points to the fact that you are completely this moment with no parts left out. There is nothing to do or to recognize in order to know this moment. It's always known, isn't it? All of reality will only be this moment. What is "awareness"? Awareness is this luminous moment, there is no other awareness. Can you find "awareness" outside of this moment? Can you know luminous experience outside of awareness? Can you separate awareness from experience in this moment or in any moment of direct experience? What you are seeking couldn't get any closer; it's this exact moment. You can never lose this moment. You can't even successfully avoid this moment. It's always in your face. It's always your face. It's never not been your face. It's even the moment of not recognizing your face. It's not knowledge about this moment. This moment requires no training or maintenance. It can't be established. It's unestablished by nature. Where is there a permanent self image in this moment? When has the flow of immediate experience ever become frozen without change? The emptiness of the moment is the emptiness of the awareness that appears as each empty and luminous moment. Variety is assured. Where is the freedom of the moment restricted.? What binds the present moment from being the present moment? When are you ever absent to this moment, whether in a thought-moment or a sensory moment or an empty moment? Some might say you are "absent" in deep sleep, but no one can affirm that and yet report the result. This is your moment... Wake up to it! Revel in it! Enjoy it!
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Ah, I missed the last line about stopped seeing with your eyes... This is correct in thogal and of course sky gazing. When the Kati light channels fully open and the Clear Light is flowing up from the heart into and through the eyes, one senses one is seeing from the heart through a "periscope" from within the heart looking out the eyes. That's my experience often.
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I know exactly what you mean... makes total sense!
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No, information is processed in the brain, organs,cells, chakras, and of course the heart. Many mini processing centers...
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Jeff, Sutra requires purification and renunciation. Dzogchen has no such concept. There are no afflictions except fantasies, like empty "day dreams". One's nature has never been afflicted in any way, conventionally nor ultimately. Being introduced to the "unestablished", one just remains as the "unestablished". That the difference. Even Tantra is a differnt view: transformation. The actual means of Dzogchen is "rang drol" or "self-liberation".
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I could say alot about the "rainbow body" theories etc. But its pointless chatter... no one here will realize the rainbow body in this life. Trekchod realization is just as good. Any remainder dissolves in the bardo. So "RELAX"...
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No, actually rigpa is wisdom and all phenomena are also wisdom. Phenomena are just information. What knows this information? What "informs"? What displays this information as its intrinsic effulgence spontaneously? When you speak of knowing phenomena you are speaking horizontally, Rigpa also has a quality of verticality or depth in which phenomena may not be present, nor the consciousness, vijanana as the fifth skandha. Rigpa is a super-consciousness above, within and beyond the five skandhas. The Buddha mentioned this as well...
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My view is simply more zhantong rather than vedantic. Zhantong is a more accurate view that describes the experience of yogis, like Dilgo Khentse, Dudjum Rinpoche, Jamgon Kontrul and many other who supported zhangtong. The "unestablished" during rigpa has a quality of "being" that is intrinsic to this nirvanic empty Knowingness. Knowingness is another word for the permanent, omniscient Mind of a Buddha. "Although the Buddha Nature is devoid of all traces and afflictions, it is not void of its intrinsic, permanent attributes" Longchenpa. The "Knowingness" is also the known, yet both are utterly empty and impossible to establish. Imputed "substance" is always just as empty as the "unestablished".
