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Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Oh ralis. -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
I never said you are dirty, but you very well could be for all I know. As for the rest, the Dzogchen adepts of the past and the tantras refute your position, Madhyamaka refutes your position, perfection of wisdom sūtras refute your position.. And that is that. If you want to claim your view is in line with those systems you can, doesn't mean it is. If you want to throw a fit about being labeled you can, doesn't mean I won't label you or continue to point out your inconsistencies. If you want to refer to what I say as ignorance you can, doesn't mean the logic I used to refute your solipsistic eternalism was not proper Madhyamaka, because it was. You are correct when you compare your view to Kashmir Shiavism or really numerous other eternalist doctrines, because that is what it is. Your confidence in your view is ill conceived, but you are entitled to your opinion. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
An unfair generalization, but also an opinion you're entitled to. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Sorry you're offended. I don't support tīrthika views being paraded as the buddhadharma. I'm doing the most compassionate thing I can in addressing inaccurate assertions. If that gets me removed then so be it. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
I'm allowed to use labels. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Right, it is an eternalist view. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Longchenpa refutes the view you are advocating for rather ruthlessly, even referring to those who uphold it as "fools". Nāgārjuna also refutes your view and in doing so refers to it as a provisional view posited in order to "alleviate the fear of the childish". -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Your view is not in line with either. And I have not advocated for a Śrāvaka view in any way. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
It is, and it is refuted outright by Madhyamaka and Dzogpachenpo. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
This is an eternalist view, like Vedanta. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Yes it is an opposite direction, exactly like subjectivity is a complimentary opposite to objectivity. Subjectivity cannot stand alone and since it is not real it cannot subsume anything. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Subjectivity is a specific point of reference. It is a delusional formation. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Imputation is also merely conventional. Your own allegedly personal reference point is an amalgamation of habitual patterns of grasping, ignorance and imputation. Other points of view are ultimately fabrications which arise concomitantly with one's own deluded point of reference due to the fact that 'self' naturally implies 'other' just as 'here' naturally implies 'there'. Yes, attachment or clinging predicted on ignorance. Subjectivity is an illusion. Both are imaginary constructs and their seeming validity is a byproduct of afflictive causes and conditions. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
At any rate, saying "everything is subjective" at the expense of objectivity is akin to saying "everything is up" or "everything is tall"... you cannot have 'up' without 'down' nor 'tall' without 'short' and vice versa. They are dependently originated designations, and because they originate dependently they lack both independent and dependent existence. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Alternative points of view are imputations but they are not subjective or objective in nature (apart from being allowed a nominal status as conventionally objective, or in your case: "subjective"). That's good you're reminding everyone. -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
This is impossible. Subjectivity is "subjective" because it contrasts what is objective. If there is no objectivity there cannot be subjectivity. Points of view do not withstand scrutiny and are merely conventional in nature. There is no such thing as an inherent point of view for many reasons, including some of the reasons you just cited. In order to have potentiality there cannot be inherency. If points of view were truly real there would be no possibility of potentiality. Points of view, potentiality and experience are all equally devoid of inherent existence. Conventional experiences have conventional points of view, however they are not ultimately valid (as nothing is). Since experiencing ultimately lacks inherency it cannot truly be endowed with characteristics which are capable of being eliminated or remaining "ineliminable". -
What is opposite of substance?
asunthatneversets replied to goldisheavy's topic in Buddhist Discussion
"Everything is subjective" is a substantialist view. If there is ultimately no objectivity (and there isn't), there cannot be subjectivity either. -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
If you have to estimate the worth of liberation (and are assessing that worth for your own benefit) then you might as well not even bother. What alleged evidence is that? -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
It is an inappropriate topic for open discussion on a public forum, but apart from that I already said I wouldn't discuss this type of information with Zoom. -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
As do you. -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
You are fixating on the teaching, as opposed to what the teaching points to. -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
I see the buddhadharma as having no flaws, and Dzogchen is an aspect of that. I personally would not deprecate other systems, if a teaching (of whatever stripe) is able to help someone and decrease their suffering then it is a wonderful thing. -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Again, this notion is flawed by what you deem worthy of being "an original creative out of the box thought". Because from my perspective neither of you produce anything close to an original creative out of the box thought yourselves, ergo why you would request such a thing from me makes no sense. "You are either with us or against us"... sort of like the pot calling the kettle black to say this is the species of narrative I am employing... which means the other implications you listed are unfortunately indicative of your own behavior. -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
You do not have an open mind. And your statements regarding 'achieving something real' and 'reality-checks' are flawed by your definitions of what constitutes being 'a believer' and a 'reality-check' in general. -
Dzogchen: Visible evidence of progress!
asunthatneversets replied to Wells's topic in Buddhist Discussion
An amusing proposition coming from you.
