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What is your relation to Neidan, so you can prove that "nothing wrong" with sitting meditation? Can you describe what's happening during a proper Dazuo, why it is considered dangerous and how your school solve such problems? Why don't you follow your advice? The theme started with the fact that people like you started to force others to believe that sitting meditation is Neidan and the main method. So far they have nothing to reply, so let's see what arguments you have...

He has started to learn in Wu-Liu Pai but stopped soon and now is considered as an "inventor" because his teaching is very far from Wu-Liu. So, Wu-Liu Pai doesn't recognise Zhao Bichen as its lineage, as far as I know.

heh, don't believe everything written in Russian :-) In the article there are a lot of doubtful thoughts, do you know the author? Shortly speaking, it's right to find a place of Dazuo in Quanzhen. To understand that all you need is to carefully read Wang Chongyang and know his life history. But still it's a riddle. And I don't agree that "7 Masters was disagreed with Wang Chongyang and that's why they started their schools" (from that article). It's not possible.

in Neidan it's not correct to refine post-heaven shen. It's just wrong. That's all common, but I see no Neidan here. It's all about "hormones" by holding breath, visualise etc, but Neidan goes opposite and works with different things (not hormones and channels everybody has). It's good that they start with the body, but Ming is not about body. Millions cannot make same mistake, yes? I don't know what schools you refer. In Yuxianpai (Northern, from Ma Danyang) they don't start with quite sitting and follow the idea "Ming first". In Wu-Liu Pai, which is Longmen basically, they start with Ming and Dazuo is prohibited. But a lot of book readers practice self-made methods and got no results. Who to believe? But feel free to decide. I know that many people do the same now: sit, breath, meditate, some qigong or yoga, stop thoughts etc. How many of them achieved high levels described in Daoist books? It's like a brand nowadays ("mindfullness: etc), but, honestly speaking, it has no sense (logical sense) to follow this trend, in my opinion.

What do you mean by "reformation"?

it's prohibited to share any details about personal practice. I understand your curiosity, but cannot help. I can just say that yes, it's possible to receive physical proves quite fast (1-3 years). Later, you will receive proves from other people who will start to say something about your appearance etc. If there are no results, then something is wrong, then there is no transformation, then there is no Neidan. Believe me, I was (and am) very sceptical :-)

Just curious, why Wang Liping doesn't demonstrate such a balance? There are a lot of pictures in the Internet, he doesn't look like a boy. Moreover, he looks now not so young as before... Sad. There are a lot of discussions in Chinese internet why Wang Liping has no relation to Longmenpai. I think everybody can make his/her own research and then it really depends on the fate.

that's all is clear. But for me the difference between Zhaobao and some details I know about Zhang Sanfeng's taijiquan is very obvious. Zhaobao, Chen, Wu, Wu-Hao obviously have same root, but I haven't heard before that anybody from Zhaobao village claimed they have any practices from Hidden Immortals Lineage... Speaking about this lineage, it's very hard to practice it in usual life. So it looks as just connecting Zhang Sanfeng's lineage to Zhaobao through very doubtful Jiang Fa (he is a hero also in Chen, but doesn't look as a teacher on the known painting).

yes, you guys do a great job, and our people know you are strict in "political correctness" and if somebody wants to talk freely about Vitalii here then it's hardly possible. Vitalii sees only a plot against him, without understanding that it's just his behaviour and absence of any valid information, that make it happens this way.

maybe I missed answers to: 1) what is the lineage between Ma Danyang and your teacher. 2) what is the lineage between Zhang Boduan and your teacher. 3) why Building Foundation in your school is so different from Ma Danyang and Zhan Boduan. Even based on open source information. 4) why it's impossible to find any info about Zhen Dao Pai in any list of Daoist schools? 5) why no Daoists from known schools in China know your teacher or even heard about him? 6) why you always try to change the information about your school lineage, title, methods, theory and use any piece of information just to promote your point of view that has no relation to the lineages you claim. 7) why there are no even single book attributed to your school? Maybe they are in Daozang? I have a respect to Daoists that make progress, but I see no progress in your posts: there is no even basic understanding of the schools you are claiming your lineage from, but all the time we just see that everybody who is no agreed with your opinion, they just are "inventing" and "insulting". It's not serious. P.S. if you want to discuss what is happening in Russia, we can start translating www.antizhendao.org. People, who have read that, were usually very impressed and had no more questions. You had a chance to change the situation but again haven't provided any answers except "look at my website, everything is there". There is nothing there that can answer questions above. Just a lot of advertisement. For sure this post and maybe the entire theme might be deleted by your request, but I don't really care. You have a chance to answer and prove your claims.

Maybe you know then why he teaches Zhaobao taijiquan instead of Zhang Sanfeng's version?

Vitalii, the name was given 100000 times, it's not our problem that somebody is unfamiliar with teachers in China nowadays and cannot find right Chinese characters in the dictionary. You've started to speak about the names, do you want to discuss your lineage again? I'm always ready to hear the answers to many questions I've asked you here but haven't received any valid answer. We don't do any promotion business, and don't say that "by practising our super methods you will look as this random Taoist that our school has no relations too". You started this funny thread, so it's your obligation to support your claims. In Wuliupai there are many interesting things and very unusual people, but you have to practice a lot to get a chance even to see such people and things.

My funny post was deleted, I'd like to receive explanations, why? Actually, why it's so moderated without even any explanation given? If Vitalii takes it seriously it doesn't mean others think the same way. No Antares, no examples, normal Daoists are not models and don't pose on public. In many schools it's even prohibited to make pictures or videos. That's why all these business promotions here look as funny circus.

try to guess: This is an ancient (veryyy ancient) understanding of Truth.

you don't read what I wrote about preparation and later Xing Gong.... And obviously you have no idea that characters and real practices are different. Dazuo can be a pointer to the practice, it can be a pointer to the state (without real methods how to reach this state), it can be a pointer to other things... Every word has a meaning. And because it's not a pulp fiction text, there are many many levels. Obvious levels are obviously misleading. Instead of posting all these texts, show your own understanding. Try to use logic. By picking random thoughts of random authors you can create any picture you like. It has no sense. Especially, if Yang is Sun for you :-\

yes, + "very incorrect Dazuo" But still even very correct Dazuo is not a part of Neidan

Yes, there are different goals and different ways in the world. But let's just name things properly and don't promise results that cannot be achieved on the ways. So when I say that some methods are wrong, it just means that they wrong for Neidan. Dazuo is good and correct as a preparatory practice (in some Neidan schools, in others they prefer other techniques), but it is wrong for all others Neidan stages. If somebody uses that for medical purposes or just "to relax" - it's fine. But then don't call it Neidan or Daoism and don't promise impossible for such practice results.

very good post, thanks for sharing your experience and understanding. It's very important for many people to get how usual practices work, experience their positive and negative sides. Then it's very easy to understand what Teacher Of Single Yang is talking about. If there is no experience, then it's hard.

it's an old theme, and it won't stop soon. It's not a "vendetta" but things have to be balanced in the world. Like Yang and Yin.

I think in Buddhism it's called "formless realm"

I think it's better to "believe and not to believe at the same time". If we throw the physical immortality then many things are impossible to understand and achieve. But yes, the practical result is the last and only argument.

No, the body is unbalanced to Yin side if you do Dazuo properly. If you do it wrong, then it's out of scope, because it's not a serious approach. And you are right about past, so even in 20th century people achieved much more higher results with Dazuo, then we see now. Because they could learn it only from a teacher. Now it's gone, so basically a lot of people are practising wrong and with no Dazuo results, that are very evident. But I'm telling and quoting here is about correct Dazuo. "Racist" was my joke about your phrase about "White Russians". You missed that. Sorry, my English is "specific". Things are changing and some traditional schools accept foreigners now. So there is a way. Then, after practice and learning the theory, you will be able to recognize, what is true and what is false. It's a science, not a religion.

You don't read carefully, and it makes your logic illogical. 1) meditation depletes Yuan Jing, not Shen 2) people die not during the meditation, but as usual (while sleeping for example) 3) meditation doesn't cause spermatorea A lot of people think that they practice Dazuo, but what they do is just new-age meditation. Depending on their health and diligence in practice, they can live the entire life without any results and any visible impact. And most of the people are happy with that.

Because it is complicated. To understand, what is Truth for traditional Daoist POV, you need also clearly understand what is Good and Bad in that tradition. Most people don't know. So it's not just "it is all true", it's more deep. It gives a direction.

LOL No, it's not Yang we're talking about. Maybe you think that Yang Shen is "sunny spirit" then? C'mon That's all is just using Post Heaven Qi. Rise of Yang will appear only if you replenish Yuan Jing. And it cannot be done through any meditation technique, Dao Yin or Qigong. Btw, humans don't have LDT, so there is no "drum" to turn until you create it.