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I'm not looking for any unity with liers and charlatans as you do. You cannot understand it, and I see no point to explain.

Then that's all you deserved. I and other students have seen him young, and there are pictures where he looks the same way as we saw him. I think I'd rather believe what I saw in reality then internet rumours and anonymous people disseminating lies. Knowing the real age of the Patriarch, I think he looks descent enough. Moreover, there are other great Teachers in the WLP you have no idea about. I really have no interest to ask you what and where you've seen, but if you're so sure in your righteousness, try to prove your words. What I've heard so far from you here and in PM looks struggles of lack of any facts.

I know very well, I've been to China, and seen everything with my own eyes. There are photos as well, even in public domain, and we show rare historical evidences as other things confirming our authenticity. It's a close school, as all other alchemy schools nowadays, and basically so far it is the only school that is represented in the western internet. People like you are not welcomed and won't be able to find anything even if they know exact address. It's just a fact after reading your absurd ideas for the past 10 years or so, you couldn't support any of them. This new is not an exception. Farewell.

Thanks for your efforts, I hope it's not in vain.

and this one can give some ideas too: http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/40488-what-is-dao

I wrote a bit about results here: http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/42657-why-do-you-say-school/page-7#entry723307 "Dao is not about experiences, not about visions, it's about results. One of the result is a physical immortality and return of the youth. People afraid to even talk about it, because then 99% of so-called "alchemy masters" are obvious charlatans. But open any classic book, they all are about immortality and in-depth physical transformation, on becoming Xians and Buddhas. Accept it and search seriously, or practice something else, more suitable your goals. Alchemy without immortality is a waste of time. This result is a milestone, it cannot be skipped, because then it means you cannot go further. To prevent usual trolling: nobody in a true alchemy school won't tell you about his/her personal results, achievements, practice, because if they do it, they won't be able to continue the practice. The statistics in Wu-Liu Pai School was published recently, maybe I'll translate it somewhere. For now just this: many Russian students could finish the first big step in Wu-Liu Pai school. It means a lot for those who understand. To learn there is very hard, so my point is that you know that such things exist and I'm responsible for my words."

No, it's not my definition, read careful that the reason is in lies. And you can find a lot of personal insult to my address in this topic ("salesman", "crazy person" etc), so let's try to live without double standards.

Now let's read what realized men, founders of Wu-Liu Pai school, have to say about the topic (Why do you say "school"?): "Such people degrade in teaching, without understanding the Dao of Buddha, fall into mistake of conventional Chan phrases and in the end become completely fools, on the contrary getting harm from these records (Yulu). After all, without true words the Dao of perfection won’t be enough to attest the truth, without true records it will not be enough to unmask the falsehood. And if the falsity wins, then obsessions (hallucinations) will appear. And even if there is wisdom, nothing will be to follow and nothing to start with." (Liu Huayang) Zhang Boduan, another realized man of the Southern School, which methods are learnt in Wu-Liu Pai: If you don't know the direct-orthodox teaching about true lead - then by various actions will spend your achievements. Naive people constantly trying to learn by books, avoiding teachers and schools. It's ok, everybody has a chance to try. But if you got no results, no Dao, what's the point to lead others to the same hell? We've heard a lot of critics to WLP, to Wu Chongxu, to Liu Huayang, but find out years when they lived, and ask yourself, how realized man Wu Chogxu could teach Liu Huayang? Then think if you can do the same or those who you follow. If not, then it's too early to criticise. Dao is not about experiences, not about visions, it's about results. One of the result is a physical immortality and return of the youth. People afraid to even talk about it, because then 99% of so-called "alchemy masters" are obvious charlatans. But open any classic book, they all are about immortality and in-depth physical transformation, on becoming Xians and Buddhas. Accept it and search seriously, or practice something else, more suitable your goals. Alchemy without immortality is a waste of time. This result is a milestone, it cannot be skipped, because then it means you cannot go further. To prevent usual trolling: nobody in a true alchemy school won't tell you about his/her personal results, achievements, practice, because if they do it, they won't be able to continue the practice. The statistics in Wu-Liu Pai School was published recently, maybe I'll translate it somewhere. For now just this: many Russian students could finish the first big step in Wu-Liu Pai school. It means a lot for those who understand. To learn there is very hard, so my point is that you know that such things exist and I'm responsible for my words.

I decided to repeat it here, so make my position clear to all readers: I really don't care when I'm being insulted but if it happens I think I'm in my right to reply accordingly. I've seen your notifications and I'm trying to make your life easier, but really I don't think it's allowed by any rules to accuse Wu-Liu Pai (or whatever else school or person) in various crimes without providing any evidences. however it happens in every post of Awaken. As you can see I tried to tell her politely in the beginning, but she ignored that.

The best instruction how to see an elephant... Speaking seriously, in all these schema there is no place for a small detail: True Water. And now what really Wu-Liu Pai teaches about this: "Earlier it has already been said about the principle that "if a body does not have a true seed, it will only be like using fire to boil an empty pot", and about its dangers for practitioners. These practitioners, feeling as "qi moves through the channels Ren and Du", accelerate the process of loss of their own Jing. This is a way of speeding up the approach of death, it does a lot of harm and has no benefits. It's just a wrong, a “side-road” method of practice. Our School of Wu Chung-Xu – Liu Hua-yang teaches a dual perfection of Xing and Ming, and what is called "heavenly circle" - it is really the "heavenly circle of the elixir’s way. " Once a student of the School produces a "true seed", then it will be not qi but rather the “true water” that will circulate through the Ren and Du Meridians, also the locations of its awareness will be different too. In the elixir way these channels are passed using the qi of the Previous sky, in that process of circulation from top to bottom a "sweet dew" will flow, directly sinking into the lower Dantian, and it happens in reality, not in imagination. As stated above in "heavenly circle" of qigong, its the external qi that rotates exhausting the body's jing. On the other hand, in the way of the elixir, the heavenly circle leads to longevity, it increases Yuan-jing and Yuan-qi in the body, but the "heavenly circle" of qigong leads to depletion of the Yuan-jing, leads to death. Once a student completes the "elixir seed", a heavenly circle of alchemy starts by itself and will last continuously, collecting the " small medicine", replenishing their own Yuan-jing and Yuan-qi, which has huge benefits and no harm." As we see, fairy lady was telling bunch of lies based on her misunderstandings of the basic thing in the alchemy. And obviously she never saw any Wu-Liu Pai practitioner. It's another lie.

Right. Book worms don't fly, the only elixirs they know are dust of texts they can't read and beetle juice. But we can see a white rabbit from mouthful souls-catchers!

Such a drama!

But now poor ignorant people here have awaken-mistaken to swallow everything she writes. Let's thank Heavens to send such a relief to all these people! Maybe one day lady will write you why she knows nothing about nudan and has no signs of the progress in it, but so far it's much more interesting to read about hallucinations: white rabbit, mandala, white rabbit, pink elephant... Yangshen that is nothing but a light spot... Hilarious. Liu Huayang, a realized man, was so right about such people. Blinds leading blinds. And let's not to forget to say thank you to Taoist Texts: without his efforts such event couldn't be possible. He prefers when people name him Arhont Circus is open, kids are welcome!

ha ha. Lady, learn how to prove your words first, then accuse others in all sins. Your twists won't cover the lack of knowledge and facts you demonstrated. People are not blind.

valid point. Awaken doesn't even understand that she mixes up stages of practice like playing cards. But what mostly interesting is that she doesn't realize that women way is different. 27 years and even first stage is not done... Impressive result. I don't care. For me she looks like new creature of trolls here.

if you have troubles to understand something and cannot ask what confuses you, then everything will be a miracle. Keep learning practical methods from the books, as thousands before. I said clearly what is in books. But I have touched about 5% of what needs to be known to have a success. There are many difficulties, it's only for you and mistaken-awaken everything is clear.

that's your childish fantasies and inability to read carefully. Texts are still texts, and they are still important. Also it's obvious that there are no mistakes in WLP texts, while Awaken is totally fooled. You cannot see it, because your background is Mantek Chia and qigong, so your opinion is really irrelevant. The method described in Huimingjing is a correct one, might lead to results as described, but it's not the ancient southern method taught to WLP students, as Awaken mistakenly claimed. But it's too hard logic for your exhausted brain, I understand.

effi is lost in words a bit... For others to return to the point: what are results of the alchemy? 1) ... can be seen when encounter a true Teacher 2) ... can be understood through words 3) ... are easier to see in own life 4) ... cannot be seen, but the effect can last for many thousands years A Teacher from any alchemy school has to satisfy first 3 items, but #4 has to be in the past of the school as well. All the answers are in classics. What from this list you can find on your way depends only on you.

Lower Dantien is real after a certain stage of the practice. Before it's not Dantien, there is no Dan inside ))

No proofs, just rumours, and the part about qigong has no sense - WLP doesn't teach spontaneous qigong at all, so what you describe cannot happen in the reality. Any other fantasies you've heard and confused about?

I've checked it already: no traces of XYP, nothing about any interest of WLP practitioners to spontaneous qigong from Indonesia either. All fake and teachers were laughing when I asked that. If you continue to insist, prove: names, dates etc. Spreading rumours helps no one. So far you looks like Awaken, are you from the same camp of WLP haters? Then be brave, tell who you are and where you've learnt various garbage about WLP that you're spreading here. Anonymous murmuring is not that can be respected. If anything you say is confirmed, then I'll write about it. But so far no true words I see.

maybe there is no point for you. It's alright. There is a big choice around of more attractive schools with more selling points. Some people are not afraid to research and apply efforts to explore the texts, ask questions, travel, learn, practise. In my opinion, I said enough even in this topic to get initial directions.

before you attain Dao or De or whatever else result, you need a teacher and a school. It's cool to speak how Dao operates, but it's a very long and challenging way to attain the Way.

You criticise books and rumours. It's a waste of time and it makes you telling lies. You learn by books. It's a waste of time and it makes you telling lies. Real successors of Zhan Boduang School we met, they do not teach what you're writing here, but they teach methods similar to the southern method of Wu-Liu Pai, with some differences, but the idea is the same.

Good question. Yes, texts are important and I continue to insist on that. But they are important for what? As I told - to find a Teacher. But people are trying to learn from books, practise by books. This way it's impossible to understand the teaching of the ancient alchemy schools, because simply the practical method is not there. But Huimingjing is a great text for those who is looking for a true Teacher and Teaching. Is it more clear now?