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It would be easier, but it would be a wrong thing to do. We spoke about destiny. It is here. Who has intuition - will find and I will help if I can. Whose intent is not serious won't have any ideas what and where to look for, and it's hard to help them except giving some initial practises (Daogong), which can change the situation over time (long time).

right, it's their no-words. Dao is a teaching without words, if you remember. How you can learn without a teacher? How you can find a teacher without a school and books? How you can overcome various practical challenges without same-minded people? School is important, but to really understand it you need to be in, not outside.

yes, that's my choice based on the real teaching not fake qq groups. So don't waste you precious time, you have a lot to learn in the time left.

my English is not perfect too, but once more: the method of Wu-Liu Pai is not in these words or other books. The ancient alchemy methods has been never disclosed in books. We know it because we practice it. Other people have nothing to compare so they repeat same mistakes and simple exercises from 10 yuan books available everywhere. If it would be so simple, we could see all immortals around us. But nothing even close.

So far you said nothing true about Wu-Liu Pai, nor about its method, so for me these words are empty. I have no beliefs. I have results, so for me it's clear that you're mistaken, and your claims have no relation to the School. There are a lot of qigong people in china who pretend to be Wu-Liu Pai followers. They do seminars, they charge money for that. People without proper understanding of the Tradition fall into their hands. It needs a lot of time and luck to find real Wu-Liu groups in China. Even if you're Chinese.

no, it's just you who cannot read and know nothing about Neidan close door teaching. The method of Wu-Liu Pai is not in the books.

any. What is the goal of the alchemy?

You're mistaken. Deeply. Wu-Liu Pai and other alchemy schools have no problems with getting new students, they don't have problems with teaching only those who have destiny, and there is no agenda to dominate the world and create new mass religion as Xiao Yao Pai tries to do. So it needs no smart marketing advises. Dianetics had more success on this way, so if you like such things follow Hubbard. "It's better to lost the Tradition than to transfer it to evil hands". Think about it. The school heart is open only to same-minded people. If you don't accept "old rules", there plenty of possibilities to live this life. Just remember that not all people are like you, and their numbers is enough for school to continue. With you or without - only in your hands. Destiny can be changed.

effi, opinions of primitive evangelist without any alchemy results are very important for me, but keep posting in your school thread, where you can be a god and delete any questions you have no answers. You love word games, but I'm not.

please share names of those charlatans, people will be very thankful to you. And you read classics wrong, but it has no sense to discuss, you're too sure you are awaken.

If somebody claims to be from Wu-Liu Pai, and after that start teaching the way you described, then simply such person is not from Wu-Liu Pai. Somebody fooled you. Wu-Liu Pai method is not disclosed in books and cannot be taught without formal acceptance to the School. It's a practical thing, part of the teaching mechanism. It cannot be different. What you describe here is just a small part of a lesser method of northern schools (longmenpai etc). You are in the mere beginning. Be careful. Mistakes are easy to get by practising without a teacher, but very hard to mention and fix.

Arhont, you cannot even translate correctly a simple phrase, but it's not new. My pretensions to be from WLP are easy to check for those who really wants that. But your pretensions to know Neidan have no any foundation: There is no single book where Wu-Liu Pai method is disclosed. Huimingjing is not an exception. What's written there is not what is practised in Wu-Liu School. So making conclusions about alchemy from the books is a mistake #1.

who think like Taoist Texts is doomed. See results.

However Dao De Jing is ONE and there is nothing comparable so far. And results, described in DDJ are still can be found in students who follow old ways and not modern primitive fake evangelists.

or what. He understood his Teacher very well and practised diligently for 6 years to successfully get the results.

Wrong. In Wu-Liu Pai students do not "use mind to control the chi or to make a circle around body". Moreover, the Patriarch of the School is known for his critical attitude to those who practise such things. It seems you are mistakenly believed some people claimed that they are part of the School, why they are not, so I really suggest to check your source of knowledge because it's not a first time you say false things about Wu-Liu Pai and its teaching. Schools are needed to avoid such mistakes, think about it this way. And all classic Neidan authors had Teachers, and they organised students into schools. Because it's important for the practice of some high levels of the alchemy.

The problem why popular western qigong systems don't really work for health is because ancient knowledge about human body was lost. In the alchemy it was preserved, that's why Daogong, which was created based on the alchemy principles, works more efficiently. We have many stories like KodoNinja shared... Again, we don't claim that there is nothing else comparable to Daogong, but it has some unique features hard to find nowadays. Personally, I'm a big fan of this method, it gave me a lot for the alchemy practice and transformation, and I see now how it changes other students in the world. However, I see very often same mistakes when people having some experience in modern qigong or yoga start doing daogong with old habits, mind work, body alignment and so on. Moreover, they continue to combine old methods and Daogong, sometimes even without mentioning it... I think, there is no way to learn anything new by just repeating old habits. It has sense to learn it as it is the only method you know. Then it'll open its secrets and real potential.

accepts, but Antares is right. Also Dmitry Artemyev has disclosed some signs happening after encountering xian-immortals. So it's clear that most of the stories about such events are fake.

no

Hi, not sure what do you mean exactly by "spiritual goals of Daoist cultivation" (please elaborate, it's interesting), but there is a direct relationship anyway: Neidan IS the goal. And the path at the same time. Yes, there are special forms of zhang zhuang. Various in various schools.

Balance is the balance of Yin and Yang. By the method you described, you can get an excess of Yang by means of exhausting the "generative force" Jing. Such method is dangerous and have no relation to the alchemist "quick fire". Daogong uses more gentle, natural approach, similar to Zhang Zhuan. Taoist Yoga and Zhao Bichen tried to express so called "northern method" with some Buddhist additions. In Wu-Liu Pai such method is known, but the major way is so called "southern method " which has no relation to what you describe. Any postheaven work needs preheaven to be spent. So if you want more postheaven work, you burn more preheaven. Like fuel. This is the main secret of the southern, ancient method of the alchemy: those who know it progress fast and relatively easy, while the method partially described in Taoist Yoga is considered to be slow and hard. There are no public texts about the ancient method, so basically there is nothing to compare. Northern method is not unique and known in many various schools. So probably you read some texts about it and they have evident similarity with Zhao Bichen.

not sure why, context is important and the questions people have were created by the article in the first message. If Aetherous wants he can move his posts into Wuliupai thread or any other place (garbage bin?), because they really have no relation to the article itself. For results I'm planning some other text, thinking now how not to step on somebody's callosity...

Obviously in the article there is no Tradition being disparaged. As well as here on the forum previously. Tradition has very precise definition which includes texts, lineage, teachers, sacred places, methods, results and some other important things. People talking with walls and imaginary ghosts don't represent any Traditions at all. You're fighting with imaginary windmills.

I don't want you to flock in any school. If you're looking for youtube video, then some people here released a few. I haven't found any immortals on them, but maybe you'll have more luck.