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Correct words of Patriarchs
opendao replied to Arkady Shadursky's topic in Miscellaneous Daoist Texts & Daoist Biographies
it seems you're infected by ttexts- 125 replies
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opendao replied to Arkady Shadursky's topic in Miscellaneous Daoist Texts & Daoist Biographies
So he used "equal" in western understanding (very limited, taken form a dictionary, not a real life) to argue the "e-quality" of students of same teacher in China... that's how western readers jump from one thing to another and end up in absurd. Thanks for another good example (2210th according to taobums stats).- 125 replies
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It's a very common understanding of a spiritual cultivation... However, there are Hun and Po souls. That's what people follow naturally with all their efforts... and mountains become volcanoes )) Is there any other way?
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Correct words of Patriarchs
opendao replied to Arkady Shadursky's topic in Miscellaneous Daoist Texts & Daoist Biographies
in any hierarchy there is something people regard as equal: leaves of different branches are still "leaves". Students can be equal in the master's house, siblings can be equal for their parents, but your idea "No siblings. Siblings are equal." is very limited. Because there are older brothers and other levels of [family] hierarchy. Not everything you don't understand is absurd.- 125 replies
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In that classic map mountains are not volcanoes (suddenly), and "attaching to emptiness" has no more sense than "attaching to appearances"... What you describe happen usually when practice is based on thoughts, mind, imagination, while goals are limited by those related to Xing cultivation only - in this case no harmony can be.
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main reason is misunderstanding of what the Way of Dao is.
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Dao is like a mountain. There is a summit - the goal, and it's uphill. So it's already raised, just one needs to see it. And if one takes course up, then "defense" is necessary. Because without it one rolls down, loosing the direction. Natural way is the way down. Great Dao is in the opposite.
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opendao replied to Arkady Shadursky's topic in Miscellaneous Daoist Texts & Daoist Biographies
only in the imaginary land of flying ponies... right, and it's important to understand, that their relation in the Master's house is not based on who they were in a previous life.- 125 replies
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you take every question as attack, so no surprise nobody cares to ask anymore... Small Dao, great Dao - just dodging to cover the differences between own fantasies and words of the ancient teachers. But obviously you don't care about their words and jumping from one text to another trying to find at least some support. But they all are against "fake dao"... Speaking about Dan Dao: when people only read, and never received the ancient method to cultivate Dao, they are fixed on the idea that Dan Dao was appeared very late in history. They can't understand, that Dan Dao, Neidan texts just continued the earlier Daoist texts by applying the language of the external alchemy, Waidan. But the method is the same, starting from Dao De Jing and finishing by some modern Neidan books. Moreover, in other traditions it is also the same (Buddhism, Shivaism, european alchemy etc). The key is in practice, when it's obtained, many things become clear.
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Dao as a teaching gives everyone a possibility to make own choices. It's even better if the choice is made with full understanding of its consequences. Such understanding is the core of the Daoist teaching in its written form. Anybody can read it and apply to own life and practice. Classic texts inform quite good about so-called "side roads" and the Great Dao, which is the inner alchemy. So we can understand, which goals have no sense to pursuit if your goal is to attain Dao. Alas, such down-to-earth approach is not popular, and usually we can see something like this: Sounds very pathetic, but what is really behind all such loud claims? All "high level methods" are here: "I focus on Xiuan guan. Focusing on Xiuan guan will relax middle dan tian." Exactly what Zhong Lü Chuan Dao Ji named "minor schools and inconsistent methods": Did she read that? Obviously. Understood? So far she did not. But she allows herself to proudly say: "I agree Lui Dongbin, Zhongli Quan, Zhang Boduan is the right apples"... Funny of course, for those who understand that it's just another soap bubble, dangerous self invented qigong based on using attention, mind, breathing, movements. Without any program, just "sit and relax"... But let's people have a choice: towards Dao or enjoying struggling on side roads the entire life, chasing imaginary goals.
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it seems shi shen has gone completely through that secret door. Such theories don't bring any clarity. Air breathing is not the alchemy and cannot give any alchemy results like Taixi (Fetus breathing).
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Correct words of Patriarchs
opendao replied to Arkady Shadursky's topic in Miscellaneous Daoist Texts & Daoist Biographies
it's an emergency exit, nobody likes it...- 125 replies
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opendao replied to Arkady Shadursky's topic in Miscellaneous Daoist Texts & Daoist Biographies
not Taoist, and can't read Texts, so who cares about such fantasies... Farewell to the land of stupid videos and flying ponies.- 125 replies
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opendao replied to Arkady Shadursky's topic in Miscellaneous Daoist Texts & Daoist Biographies
De is an innate quality, without De people are blind and can't see obvious things. So "ciao bambino sorry" (Chuck Bismark), go back to bunny videos, stupid pics and trolling memes.- 125 replies
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You told: "But if you can listen to a native speaker of Chinese. You will learn more and misunderstand less of dao." Assuming I'm full of mistakes. So I'm listening with all my attention. But so far just funny attempts to avoid questions. If you are so knowledgeable, if your school is so different from other traditional schools as you told us, then where is the practical wisdom we can admire? What is a curriculum in your school to begin with?
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So what is the first one and what to do to reach it?
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So what to do except worrying? Lesson 1: "worry". Ok, very traditional... What's next? Btw, thanks to finally accept that you created a school. A few months ago you rejected any idea of a school at all... "Time heals"... But please continue. I'm all listening to "a native speaker of Chinese" with 27 years of experience...
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so what do you teach your students to know beyond their current understanding? Any chance for them to stop being worms?
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opendao replied to Arkady Shadursky's topic in Miscellaneous Daoist Texts & Daoist Biographies
It's very easy: people with low De don't understand such a simple phrase, so they can't find a teacher based on the parts in texts intended for such search. As a result, they have no teacher, who can explain them the advanced part about practices. The exit from this insane infinity is in the beginning, in De, which is an innate quality mostly.- 125 replies
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if by "primordial unity" we understand a specific state in a human body, then it's one of results on the Way. To nurture Yangshen, yang spirit, is another result.
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Try to think more about the territory than about any map... The territory defines what is wrong and what is right, not the map. The practice described in a correct map ends where the territory ends. Dao exists everywhere, but Dao one needs to Dao is not Dao that is everywhere. So no map can give you more possibilities than there are in reality. That's why for Lao Zi his Dao is a broad road, while side curved roads are what dogmatic people love to follow. They can name it as "no rules carefree wandering in true emptiness", but it changes really nothing...
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I told "having no goals" is a goal, but you read it as "no goal = goal". Too much abstract thinking.
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there are no any reasons to pursuit such an artificial goal, so you're right, it won't work. Goals are not made by students, they are set by teachers who reached that goals already. It's like somebody on top of a mountain guiding those lost in forests of words, how to climb up...
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Awaken's. there is only one correct map of the territory. There are different starting points, but the general Way will be the same. It's because the territory dictates the possibilities, not one's free will or desire. Human body defines all possibilities to practice. Let's not start speaking about Golden Flower, because I admitted you have very little idea on what it teaches. And the book is correct, who I am to criticize it... this book is not what I would recommend to understand the differences between various correct methods of the elixir. To explain. External alchemy looks very different from Neidan, but it follows the same principles, has the same goals and milestone results. You're allowed to do anything and walk any roads you may like. Just remember about possible consequences... But "stepping into emptiness" is a goal on its own, and it needs your will and understanding what to do. You confuse the fruit with a sprout. Having no goals when wu-wei is reached and in the beginning of study. It has a relation but not as you describe it. Unity inside is a harmony on its own. Unity inside is a unity of Xing and Ming, it's not the unity with all things. You see things one way, but Dao can have different opinion. I think others might be more consistent in reaching out their goals
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It's very abstract, while goals in Dao are very practical and precise. If you pretend to know and teach openly for free, then what is the first practical step?