Songtsan

I know that with the amount of vitamins and nutritional supplements I take, I could probably sell my pee for money...I wonder if I had it chemically analyzed what it would have in it?

I agree - get rid of fear through left hand tantra is my path (nonattachment, entering into the horror house, Aghora style, embrace death, demons, evil and twisted stuff - root out all fear seeds, enter them, eat them come out as fear master) I also view pain and suffering as 2 things, though intertwined an can be classed as one as well...for me generally they are one/two. Paranoia is this - heightened fight or flight, heightened startle response, creation of fear based mind constructs from little environmental clues (almost in the way synchronicities are noted), mind too active...linked to needs based fear, and fear of suffering. I think all fear roots from fear of suffering. The avatar is one of my favorite faces...every time I see her I am happy. She is one of the cutest...

that guy is a genius - he is going to become rich and famous no doubt in my mind.

which is why at this time, I wonder if we all have a one soul, which is mysteriously seemingly separate, but is actually still one, with egominds placed on top...Sort of like a giant vaporous cloud that exists within and without everything. And within the animals, etc. the awareness that exists is the soul, but it becomes aware of what the egomind 'thinks' and the egomind then associates itself with this soul, when in actuality it is not. When the egomind is dropped, soul becomes original face again, as it always was...with nothing to dirty the mirror of mind, because mind got dropped. Remove soul from mirror, mirror ceases to exist, becomes part of cosmic matter pool. Soul is again unionized (as it always was) with the Supersoul, or divine Self. This is a little bit Atman theory here. Another thought is that Soul is really just chi (maybe a special type), and the chi follows the minds instructions...when mind drops, chi joins major chi pool again, but still is under control of mind if mind reanimates. This is so very similiar to the Atman that they are almost identical. Chi is aware. Soul of chi. What do you think?

Supposedly, drinking a little bit of your own urine every day is supposed to be healthy for you...Ayurvedic I think. Never done it myself.

sex with self without masturbation, i.e. internal tantra with an idealized mind construct (which is you), then blend the two, allow internalized mind construct to disappear and then become one with bliss...takes a lot of practice - but it is better than external sex for many. Must not orgasm though, or else you lose steam pressure.

Yes! I have to say that my needs are satisfied (even though I have none)...but I am still afraid. Afraid of many stupid things (I am also bipolar and schizoaffective which means paranoia and anxiety). My dissatisfaction is generally high...sometimes very low though...depends on how much I realize that I cannot truly die and that everything will be taken care of and that suffering is OK

its a variation on, 'if you could go back in time to kill Hitler before he become in power, would you?' Then you have to ask yourself...since it would change the world, and alter lives (people who would have died - alive, people who would have lived, dead..would Isreal still exist, and if it didnt how many Palestinians would still be alive that are now dead, etc etc)), are you willing to affect the world web history so much...hoping for better good later? Then you have to say, "Was the lesson worth the mistake?" Did it pay for its self somehow. Then you would have to take a poll of holocaust survivors and families of holocaust survivors, and see what they would do. After that take another poll of the Germans, Palestinians, Americans, Russians, anyone who was affected and see what they thought (which would be basically everyone), including all the people who exist now that wouldnt exist if the choice was made. The end result is that the power of butterfly wings to start hurricanes would become fully apparent.

you associate enlightenment with good/light and nescience with dark/bad...I dont see it as either - I see it as the union of all opposites...perfectly placed to achieve anything. Center of YinYang, enveloping both spectrums...my mind model only of course. It is also wrong. I am not enlightened, so I dont really know what its like, although I remember entering the stream maybe a few times, but I don't know that it was true then either.

Well...what I also slightly patterned it on is Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs...which basically states that first we take care of our basic needs, and later after those are fulfilled, then we focus on wants. The drive behind the two is basically the same - nature's impetus...which is what the drive to get/take/find/eat/etc. is based on - desire...Now you might say that we don't become attached to needs..but how many people work as wage slaves, paycheck to paycheck, living with a deep fear that if they fuck up once, something bad happens, they lose the house, the marriage ends, etc.? This is fear, which is anti-desire...it is also highly related to negative attachment. We are all very much attached to having our needs met, even I who says I have no needs (part of me doesn't part does) . So like I said, its a continuum. Needs on the left, wants on the right...smoothly flowing from needs to wants. Its only a mind model though. Of course its also wrong!

fucking awesome.

Want and need are close and both forms of attachment...As want and need lie on a continuum, and are purely conceptual for thinking minds, whereas they are purely feeling based drives for nonthinking minds, they can be grouped with a slight demarcation for humans. True needs (vs. conceptual) are more reality based (biological requirements for life), whereas wants are more hungry-over-the-level-of-needs based. They are in the same line however, as wants are merely confused aspects stemming from biological programming gone into overdrive through habitual tendencies- which is essentially based on needs...Need is directly related to attachment, attachment is directly related to desire, fear, hope, and a slew of other things that lead to greed, envy, and eventually cause suffering. It’s not like you have to stop being who you are – just change your mind habits, so that you don’t suffer. You can go around doing exactly the same thing, but do not judge reality when it ‘hits you hard.’ The idea of need is a painful one when you don’t get ‘what you need.’ Drop the idea, and when hungry, eat, when tired, sleep. You still get what you need without the idea of need clouding your honesty. The body drives us to fulfill our 'needs' by using pleasure/pain controls. Pleasure results in seeking behaviors, pain results in avoiding behaviors. We need to seek food, thus it is pleasurable to eat (to a point), and we need to avoid charging rhinos, thus we are driven by fear needs. When it comes to knowledge, we must delineate between absolute requirements (no knowledge required), and conventional requirements (again none required). Why none required. People in comas have no knowledge, yet they get what they need (at the hospital). Flip side is this. Without proper knowledge in certain situations, many of us would die...so do we need it? Yes/no...do we need to live? yes/no. You decide. That decides your needs. You decide your needs, not I. I do not need air, as I do not need to live - I have decided that its OK for me to die, though I will not try to speed up the process. So I am not attached to life. Thus I don't need life. Wants are similar. You decide your wants (you plus biology, plus society, etc. co-creation)..you agree to let them drive you. Me, I don't need to live, but I want to live. Others both need and want to live, whereas other others need to live, but dont want to live, as still other other others neither need nor want live. This can all be applied to anything- knowledge, spam chunks and green jello, video games, whatever you like. Why would someone need to have video games? Perhaps they are so depressed and it is the only thing that they have that makes them happy and if they didnt have it they would kill themselves. They want to live maybe even too...but they also want to die (I've been there - you can be right on the edge 50-50 between wanting to die/live). So thus they have decided they need it. Wants and needs are strictly decisions. So since you decide both (for the most part), you can choose what you want and what you need, and even decide you want/need nothing, which would make the answer for both the same. If the answer is different for each - then there is your answer too. Also, there is polarization - most people want and dont want certain objects at the same time, need and dont need certain objects at the same time. Its never fully polarized to one extreme, although it can be close. knowledge is transitory as well - always mutating, being replaced with new stuff. So while you might say you need knowledge as a whole, you could also say that you don't need any specific knowledge, because more will always come along. At the same time, in certain situations, you WILL die if you don't have the right knowledge. For most people, this is the most needed of knowledge, and it is different things for different people. Needs/wants are individual, although there are average trends. Wanting knowledge is wanting brain food, but it is also wanting to stay alive in certain situations..wants and needs collide. Why do you want to know? Or do you need to know this? (probably not as you wont die if you dont find out!)

Good points, but...my hypothetical scenario, my rules...lol I AM GOD -so even the animals and plants and bacteria, etc become enlightened, as well as all Jinn, spirits, ghosts, aliens within the earth system...and anything else in our temporal or dimensional/interdimensional locale.

Yes, everyone knew it, even the scientists I think...I am glad they are making this political statement. I only recently went vegtarian, although I never bought meat - I would eat meat that others had prepared if me not eating it would mean it would go to waste... but this always brings up some interesting questions: 1) If everyone in the world became at least vegetarians, would not the population of cows,etc. dramatically plummet as the demand for meat did? Then millions of cattle,etc. would die...my thoughts are this: probably true, but as it is now, we are basically breeding pain and suffering - we are creating 'suffering farms' where these animals are treated like meat plants and are probably slightly insane...so I am still for everyone stopping the meat feed, even though many cows/chickens, etc. would perish within a few years. Also, its a big hit on the environment. 2) If animals have consciousness, then do animals have Buddha nature? Before you answer 'Mu' let me say this: If Buddha nature is lack of mind fabrications, and closer unity to direct cosmos, I think that animals are closer to their own Buddha nature than we are. There is more if you want to hear (can't shut this one up) 3) How much space we would save if animal farms went away for the most part. Also, would we release some animals? would the wild become inundated with all kinds of fresh meat for predators. Yes...and the released animals wouldnt know how to survive, so there would be a lot of dead animals everywhere...The predator population would experience a boom, until the fresh meat ran out, then it would be a bust so it would actually cause havoc to release them, not to mention result in diseases, etc. My bottom line: can't release them. It would be bad thing. Saving chickens for eggs, cows for milk? OK - for vegetarians at least, but what about roosters and man-cows? They wouldnt make milk or eggs - so kill them? Turn them into leather?...probably sure, but still they would end up dead regardless...so are we trapped into killing them? Unless we want to support free range breeding colonies and let them live. Enough altruism for that? Not unless we were all Buddhas. So therefore it seems they must die one way or another. I can go on, but the fact is yes animals have souls/consciousness/painhearts/pleasurehearts/etc. Its fucked up...I have feelings of distaste myself. Very hard choices no matter which way you go...anyways its not up to me. I only co-create a small percentage of things - one divided by 7 billion or whatever it is, plus or minus a few .00000000001% If we all started eating people too - if you could get hunting licenses for people, it would be more fair. Guess life is unfair when you are not top of the food chain. Good thing that we are close to top, eh? Life eats life, life causes death, death creates more life...circlestuff. Hate/pain/misery wheel, love/bliss/pleasure wheel. In between wheels. No answers, many mind fabrications.

I would like to be the last person alive for at least a little while...so I would say no to suicide...already been there tried that a few times. If you ever get the chance to kill one person to make buddhas, you can come find me and kill me - I volunteer

mine too! also...I wasnt thinking we'd all be carbon copies - I was thinking it would an interconnected whole, but with different flavors, so it wouldnt be boring....the different flavors would come from different brain chemistry/neuron net shapes, but the groupmind would be fully active and on, so that we wouldnt need internet anymore - we could all communicate via telemetry....people would stop being assholes, stopping being greedy, stop killing so many cows and pigs and stuff, tearing up land for gold/diamonds/oil...all that good stuff....I would still definitely say yes to most except probably last two...I think full enlightenment will come for everyone eventually anyways...maybe 5000 years? and the earth has been around so long it would be a big waste to nuke it. Although it would be fun to watch. For exactly 1/1000th second until we all blew up too!

perhaps that is a key to my dilemma as I think that when we die, our 'soul' gets turned back to completely blank and all possibilities. No karma as most people generally see it, what reincarnates is tendencies. These exist only in the world. Perhaps I should focus on groupthinking this belief instead of directly on ethics- my ethics stem from my beliefs. Its the age old end justifies the means thing. Also, I am not looking to become enlightened afterwards, but instead to have as many people enlightened at this time in this place so as to end all wars here and now. I know that if everyone were to suddenly become enlightened, war would cease, lies would cease all the world over...millions of deaths per week would end. All for the cost of killing one person, or telling one big lie, etc. This is why I would say yes to most of those (I doubt I would blow up the earth or pollute it for example).

I am curious what kind of world we would have if we had Buddha world, although...they do say that everyone already has Buddha nature, so perhaps there is no reason at all for this questionnaire!

you are the bomb! Umm...since you own so much, do you think you can get me a job? I'm unemployed (its why I am on here so much!)

I am considering systems of ethics...and trying to decide if I am skewed, as I would answer yes to many of them....looking at groupmind analysis...

The other one is my real self that is - she exists in my mind just like that....so is me. As I am an illusion, it is a reality.

Flofolil - in regards to your original post, I have a bunch of material I have aggregated that you may find useful....it is also from various books I have read, including books by Pema Chodron, Chuang Tzu, and others I can't recall. Nothing here is mine, I take no credit. I have more if you like: None of us is okay and all of us is fine. It’s not just one way. We are all walking, talking, paradoxes. All passion, aggression, heartbreak, etc. is simply passing memory. It is all just thought. This is how we begin to wake up to our innate ability to let go, to reconnect with shunyata, or absolute bodhichitta. Also, this is how we awaken our compassion, our heart, our innate softness, relative bodhichitta. Use labeling with great gentleness as a way to touch those dramas and acknowledge that you just made them all up with this conversation you’re having with yourself. Rest in the nature of alaya, the essence, the minds natural state, which is the open primordial basis of all phenomena. We can rest in the fundamental openness and enjoy the display of whatever arises without making a big deal. In post-meditation, be a child of illusion. What you see is not here and its not not here. It’s both and neither. Everything you hear is the echo of emptiness, yet there is sound- it’s real – the echo of emptiness. Good, bad, happy, sad, all thoughts vanish into emptiness like the imprint of a bird in the sky. Good and bad coexist; sour and sweet coexist. They aren’t really opposed to eachother. We could start to open our eyes and our hearts to that deep way of perceiving, like moving into a whole new dimension of experience: becoming a child of illusion. We begin to let opposites coexist, not trying to get rid of anything but just training and opening our eyes, ears, nostrils, taste buds, hearts and minds wider and wider, nurturing the habit of opening to whatever is occurring, including shutting down. The world doesn’t speak for itself because we’re so caught up in our story line that instead of feeling that there’s a lot of space in which we could lead our life as a child of illusion, we’re robbing ourselves from letting the world speak for itself. You just keep speaking to yourself, so nothing speaks to you. When the three poisons arise- passion, aggression, and ignorance – the instruction is to drop the story line, which means – instead of acting out or repressing- use the situation as an opportunity to feel your heart, to feel the wound. Use it as an opportunity to touch that soft spot. Underneath all that craving or aversion or jealousy or feeling wretched about yourself, underneath all that hopelessness and despair and depression, there is something extremely soft, which is called bodhichitta. When we don’t act out and we don’t repress, then our passion, our aggression, and our ignorance becomes our wealth. The poison already is the medicine. You don’t have to transform anything. Simply letting go of the story line is what it takes, which is not that easy. Just start where you are. When resistance is gone, so are the demons. In its essence, the practice of tonglen is, when anything is painful or undesirable, to breathe it in. Don’t resist it. Surrender to yourself, acknowledge who you are, honor yourself. Feel the pain. By the same token, if you feel some sense of delight, inspiration, relaxation, openness- breathe it out, give it away, send it out to everyone else. Tonglen practice has four stages. The first stage is flashing openness, or flashing absolute bodhicitta. Rest in the nature of alaya, the essence. It is done very quickly. There is some sort of natural flash of silence and space. It’s a very simple thing. The second stage is working with the texture. You visualize breathing in dark, heavy, and hot and breathing out white, light, and cool. The idea is that you are always breathing in the same thing: you are essentially breathing in the cause of suffering, the origin of suffering, which is fixation, the tendency to hold on to the ego with a vengeance. The third stage is working with a specific heartfelt object of suffering. You breathe in the pain of a specific person or animal that you wish to help. The 4th stage extends this wish to relieve suffering further. Let’s say your angry. Breathe in the fury. Develop sympathy for your own confusion. Do not blame your assigned ‘source’ of the fury; you also do not blame yourself. Instead, there is just liberated fury- experience it as fully as you can. Breathe the anger in; remove the object; stop thinking about the object (person). In fact, they were just a useful catalyst. Now you own the anger completely. Drive all blames into yourself. This destroys the mechanism of the ego. Then, breathe out sympathy, relaxation, and spaciousness. Allow space for the feelings. Ventilate the whole thing. What you are actually doing is cultivating kindness towards yourself. Don’t think about it, don’t philosophize; simply breathe in the poison. It won’t make your own rage any greater; it is just rage, just fixation on rage, which causes so much suffering. The things that really drive us nuts have enormous energy in them. That is why we fear them. It could even be your own timidity: you are so timid that you are afraid to walk up and say hello to someone, afraid to look them in the eye. It takes a lot of energy to maintain that. It’s the way you keep yourself together. You cannot fake these things; therefore you start with the things that are close to your heart. The main thing is to really get in touch with fixation and the power of poison activity in yourself. This makes other people’s situations completely accessible and real to you. Then, when it becomes real and vivid, always remember to extend it out. Let your own experience be a stepping stone for working with the world. This is how to use the unwanted, unfavorable circumstances of your life as the actual material of awakening. Whatever occurs isn’t considered an interruption or an obstacle, but a way to wake up. The more you just try to get things your way, the less you feel at home. “Drive all blames into one”- or “take the blame yourself,” isn’t really a masochistic practice. When you begin to notice what it feels like when you blame someone else, you find what is actually under all that talking and conversation about how wrong somebody or something is. Notice what blame feels like. We short-circuit the overwhelming tendency we have to blame everybody else. It doesn’t mean, instead of blaming other people, to blame yourself. Instead of guarding yourself, instead of pushing things away, begin to get in touch with the fact that there is a very soft spot under the blame. The blame is a protective maneuver. You can take it beyond what we think of as “blame” and practice applying it simply to the general sense that something is wrong. Try dropping the object of the blame or the object of what you think is wrong. Try to relate in a non-conceptual way to your anger, your righteous indignation, to your sense of being fed up, etc. If you don’t recoil from that and keep opening your heart, you find that underneath all the fear is what has been called shaky tenderness. If you aren’t feeding the fire of anger or the fire of craving by talking to yourself, then the fire doesn’t have anything to feed on. It peaks and passes on. Strangely enough, we blame others and put so much energy into the object of anger, etc. because we are afraid that this anger or sorrow or loneliness is going to last forever. We think the way to end it is to blame it on somebody else. Acting it out is what makes it last. Instead of always blaming the other, own the feeling of blame, own the anger, etc. and make friends with it. Stop talking to yourself about how wrong everything is, or how right everything is. The “one” in “drive all blames into one” is the tendency we have to want to protect ourselves: ego clinging. When we drive all blames into this tendency by owning our feelings and feeling fully, our ego-clinging lightens up. Make peace with the aspects of ourselves and others that we have rejected. “Be grateful to everyone,” and every part of yourself. The people who repel us unwittingly show us aspects of ourselves that we find unacceptable, which otherwise we can’t see. Other people trigger the karma that we haven’t worked out. These situations really teach you because there’s no pat solution to the problem. You’re continually meeting your match. You’re always coming into a challenge, coming up against your edge. Something between repressing and acting out is what’s called for, but it is unique and different each time. The path of not being caught in ego is a process of surrendering to situations in order to communicate rather than win. You can transform seeming obstacles into awakening by flashing on the nonsolidity of things- on shunyata or absolute bodhichitta. Resistance to unwanted circumstances has the power to keep those circumstances alive and well for a long time. Whatever you meet unexpectedly, join with meditation. We can awaken bodhichitta through everything-nothing is an interruption. Interruptions themselves awaken us. When something stops your mind, catch that moment of gap, that moment of big space, that moment of bewilderment, of total astonishment, and let yourself rest in it a little longer than you ordinarily might. ‘Strong determination’ involves connecting with joy, relaxing, and trusting. Use every challenge you meet as an opportunity to open your heart and soften, determination not to withdraw. One simple way to develop this strength is to develop a strong-hearted spiritual appetite. A playful quality is useful. Enlightenment has to do with relaxing and finding out what you already have. Buddha nature isn’t like a heart transplant that you get from elsewhere. It’s something that can be awakened, or relaxed into. Let yourself fall apart into wakefulness. The practice is about softening/relaxing & also seeing clearly. If the way that we protect ourselves is strong, then suffering is really strong too. If the ego gets lighter, then suffering is lighter too. The idea of karma is that you continually get the teachings that you need in order to open your heart. If you regard everything that arises as fuel to wake up, you can remain cheerful. Always maintain only a joyful mind. If you can practice even when distracted, you are well trained. Sooner or later you will find yourself in a situation where you can’t change the outer circumstances at all, and you realize it all comes down to how you relate to things –whether you continue to struggle against everything that’s coming at you or you begin to work with things. Notice everything. Appreciate everything, including the ordinary. That’s how to click in with joyfulness or cheerfulness. Curiosity encourages cheering up. So does simply remembering to do something different. When things are really heavy and you feel stuck in either your joy or your misery, just do something different to change the pattern. Abandon any hope of fruition. Just give up hope in general. The root of healing, at the root of feeling like a fully adult person, is the premise that you’re not going to try to make anything go away, that what you have is worth appreciating. If there’s some sense of wanting to change yourself, then it comes from a place of feeling that you’re not good enough. The simple ingredient of giving up hope is the most important ingredient for developing sanity and healing. When you feel afraid, that’s ‘fearful Buddha.’ That could be applied to whatever you feel. ‘Jealous Buddha,’ ‘Angry Buddha,’ etc. Sometimes when you’re feeling miserable, you challenge people to see if they will still like you when you show them how ugly you can get. The basic ground of compassionate action is the importance of working ‘with’ rather than struggling ‘against,’ working with your own unwanted, unacceptable stuff so that when the unacceptable & unwanted appears ‘out there,’ you relate to it based on having worked with loving-kindness.

My dakini is kundalini as I said, so I would call her 'Shakini' but she is way more than that...the advantage one has with 'her' is that she sees the inside of you vs. the outside, so is practically omniscient in regards to what buttons to push. "When one consciously pivots from the Present, beliefs are seen as beliefs. No consciousness attached to time, for example, the 6 lower senses that you cling to for your identity, can be conscious of the Present. There is no Present in time. The present cannot be accessed through the skandhas." - this is awesome, I will have to take some time to analyze with mind...I know that mind is really past/future...whereas skandhas are always just a flicker away from the present, but close enough to be 99.9999% on as far as speed is concerned. As far as perception is concerned, it of course warps things further. The science of sensory perception is this: Sensation occurs at the sense organs, transduction occurs, information ends up in various brain areas where it is rapidly processed and eventually presented to consciousness. Next, we perceive. Then our brain analyzes the perception and determines importance, meaning, etc. Then action occurs. Of course there is a bunch of back and forth talk. "So...your "looking at yourself and finding anything you see in yourself that could be applied to others...everything about your own shortcomings" is a delusional belief arises from your skandha mind. The skandha mind is always in the past,...and does not, and cannot pivot from the Present." -yes, all beliefs delusional, all the time. Even when they are true. Agree with your delusional statement 100%, 99.999% of the time. "Belief is a condition,...and conditions can never fuse with the Unconditional." - perhaps...unless it is the unconditional itself that believes - for example, if God exists, and is the unconditioned, then his belief is of course part and parcel of the unconditioned. Unless he has no beliefs and simply is. Then if he has no beliefs, does he then have no mind? No Godmind? No self? No Godself? Perhaps there is no God (I think probably not)...but there are other more possible possibilities than this. I leave myself open as far as this is concerned. "Again,...you can never, and will never, bring your conditions into the Unconditional. What you are doing now, is building upon conditions, so that you're "looking at yourself and finding anything you see in yourself that could be applied to others...everything about your own shortcomings" - The unconditional, while not being able to be conditioned, can condition however, and it does this not to something, as if they are separate, but acts around and within the conditioned, as if it encapsulates the conditional...thus the conditions exist within the unconditional, so actually are 'in' the unconditional...both around and within would seem to allow the actions of into, and through....I know that everything I said is delusional from the get-go - it is just a game. The Kundalini does these same things to me...by playing illusionary games, she teaches. If she was only able to tell me the truth, it wouldn't work. She says I would be expecting it all the time, and would never figure it out for myself, become dependent on her for her constant input (with the constantly changing conditional reality of cause/effect) and would become a helpless baby. What she is teaching me is flexibility, so that I can become a child of illusion...at free and able to play in any setting. "The difficulty that most sophomores make, is the belief that the Unconditional can be found through conditions. The Unconditional can only be realized by letting go of conditions. A real Dakini is an assassin of your beliefs,...of your conditions. Anyone who promotes, or tolerates beliefs is your enemy." - I dont know about the first part...but I have a sneaky feeling that this is incorrect. I will hypothesize in a moment. First, in regards to dakinis, the kundalini says she isn't just a dakini, but she is damn good at playing one...so she is a shakini. She is the internal dakini, the highest type, but even higher still is she makes the dakini out of my own thought constructs, using the information she finds in my own brain to build it (everchanging too). She does promote beliefs in the way she does her thing. What she does is promote my own beliefs, presents them to me, and then lets me wear myself out with them, makes it so that I realize through making mistakes. It works just fine. I emulate her, so thus I use delusions to teach anti-delusion. This is my style at the moment and I am very flexible with it. I will make a new thread that describes this in more detail soon. I still assassinate people's beliefs and conditions, but I emulate her. So I am thus no dakini...but I can become a shakini (I think), although I could never touch her skill, regardless of how much she becomes me. I am still just a dirty reflection of her. In regards to how unconditional can be found through conditions, I postulate this: We are all conditioned from birth, yet through our conditional selves, the unconditional can be found. You might say that there is some unconditional part of ourself which comes through once the conditional self is dropped, yet it seems that it is through the (partial) acts of the conditional that the conditional is dissolved. So it may just depend on how you look at it. Perhaps I will add more later...but I want to get to posting that Kundalini thread....

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This is a stated belief, and is thus based on your own unique belief system More beliefs, also quoting one of a belief systems tenants Pretty much any statement you make is based on your belief, and is sure to have been something that has occurred at least once before, and is thus systematized. Even people who only ask questions, use a systematized belief protocol in order to phrase said question, thus they are also acting from a belief system in dozens of ways. For example, if I asked you, "How are you doing?" I believe in the following: 1) that these words mean something to you 2) That you are interested in talking with me and will answer 3) that you are 'doing' at all 4) that you feel one way or another (related to #3) 5) etc. I take for granted that you believe what I believe in this - in thinking that you understand what I mean. So the belief system is inherent in the question (or statement). Social norms are shared belief systems - rules that we operate (or choose not to) on a daily basis, thousands of times a day. To even disagree with someone is stating an anti-belief in their belief, which is still a belief. You cannot escape beliefs in duality. There is always the Believer, who is caught in the act of believing, being one with their belief (which is feeling). To think that there is any truth whatsoever is a belief, even the belief that there are no beliefs. Inescapable! Can you believe it? (I dont believe any of what I just wrote...which is still a statement of belief). I give up. Please if you can, make one statement, or ask me one question that lacks belief...even if you answered me with emptiness, by saying nothing, you are still believing something in your head. Your lack of an answer is also a statement, which while not clearly stating your belief, indicates that you believed something enough to answer me with no-answer. So you would be offering me a no-offering, which is based on your belief system, and would still be offering me something therefore. All offerings are shared beliefs that there is an 'offerer,' 'offeree,' and an act of offering. You probably also believe that these are all one. I agree. Belief in one thing is belief. All definitions are beliefs. All shared definitions are shared belief systems. Any time you think you know, or think you dont know, these are both still thinking - all thinking is beliefs, all words are thought constructs, all thought constructs are mind fabrications, all mind fabrications are duality, and are thus illusions. Beliefs are illusions, illusions are beliefs, and this belief that belief is an illusion is an illusion. To believe that there is such a thing as an illusion is an illusion. To have no belief is emptiness. To talk of emptiness is to believe in emptiness. Very difficult if not impossible to communicate over the internet especially without relying on illusions. Impossible to talk over the internet using emptiness. We are very full all the time, even though we are empty. Emptiness does not exist on its own, it must co-exist with fullness. Fullness = belief, fullness is self full of beliefs. All that you are full of is belief. Even using the words 'you' 'I' 'me' 'we' or 'mine' indicates belief in some aggregate 'I' self that is also an illusion. Even saying that you are only speaking conventionally so as to be able to communicate, but that your intent is not to project your belief system onto others, is projecting your belief system (that you are not intending to project your belief system) onto their minds. All attempts to communicate are attempts to sway. All attempts to make oneself known to others are attempts to 'make known.' The key word is make. We are all attempting to change brain electricity/neurons here - to alter the reality of other peoples brains, their perceptions, their understanding, and thus their beliefs - if only temporary - you are attempting to be understood as you speak - and even if you only want to be understood in the moment, (i.e. have someone understand your point of view, or approach such a zenith), you are seeking to change belief. Understanding = belief. Words = belief. Thoughts = belief. Feelings = belief. These things have all been systematized in our neural net. Belief systems. See the definitions below. Look up all the definitions for every word within the definitions, and you will find that beliefs = all the things stated above and more. Since every thing contained within our neural net is part of the system, you cannot take a part away from the whole. So even the smallest part of something is part of the system, and thus is a system (see 'holos' or holographic model). Your thought construction of 'I' is a system. An aggregate compound. Thus in using the term 'I' in conversation, you automatically assume that the other person believes as you do - that there is an aggregate 'I' that we all have, and that they know what you mean. Assumptions = beliefs. You assume I know what the words you use mean (and you are mostly correct, but the same word, no matter what it is, always means something slightly different from person to person, based on their understanding/belief of what it means). By using social norms at all, you expect that the shared belief system (social norms = beliefs), is held in common. You cannot escape - if you can prove to me that you can, I will bless you a thousand times for removing my ignorance. Only a mind that is completely clear of fabrications (including 'I' constructs) is free of beliefs...this is just my belief system of course...what do I know of that? never been there. be·lief /biˈlēf/ Noun An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction. Synonyms faith - trust - confidence - persuasion - credence sys·tem /ˈsistəm/ Noun A set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular. A set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network.