Songtsan

Agreed!

Ignorance is at the root of fear, so yes it is disturbing....yet the path away from ignorance is also disturbing, as you know, because once one starts to become more aware, one gets mad at what is going on, both within and without....Enlightenment is a hard path to travel. There was mention of how good jellyfish must have it in another thread, just being...so you see that ignorance is both bliss and hell. This is in line with Samsara and Nirvana being one and the same....remember, it is your own mind fabrications, and all its' laws that make the world such a fucked up place for you. Your own rules about how things should be, your attachments both negative and positive, are creating the hell you experience. Only you can claim the responsibility for that. Everyone would like to be king of the world, but this is not, nor ever will be possible. The trick is to know yourself, be at peace, and make changes to the world, and attain virtue, with the least amount of effort. All this ruminating you are doing is creating ill health in your body, causing overexpression of your organ functions. Unless you are actually able to do something to create the change you wish to see, stop killing yourself over it!

Reality is a misnomer, illusions and delusions are just as 'real' and have just as much effect on things as anything else, so waking up is more like growing up, or becoming more in line with the Tao, God's plan, whatever you like to call it. So syncing with the Tao is maybe what some would call waking up to Reality. It as if ones own limited schemas are being replaced constantly, through a series of emptying and filling. The sooner you can empty your old schemas and truly be aware, the sooner you can awake. We all are constantly doing this, just at different rates. Those who have learned 24/7 'meditation' have simply learned not to create/re-create/reify schemas....the end of schemas is the end of the dream. Not to knock the dream, it is certainly a part and parcel of the Isness, but the ones who wake up truly are freed from delusion eternally, unless they so choose to enter it again, which I think some might, because eternity is a long time, and Gods do like to play!

I think I'd like to be 'single' for a while, but have 'fun friends' to hang out with on occasion....Unless I meet exactly the right person, being with someone else seems to detract from my cultivation. Maybe once I have cultivated to the extent that I have achieved a certain level of actualization, I would then be ready to take on the role of dealing with the stresses of relationships that aren't perfectly matched, because honestly, most aren't. A perfected being however, or who who has at least approached their zenith of potential, could possibly find the time and energy to indulge

Its selfish entertainment. You could take the same amount of energy/bling/money and go help some poor, suffering child in Africa and create a world of beauty for them. Or you could just focus the same amount of energy on your own frivolous needs and learn very little about life. As I write this, the demons are attacking my mind, so I know they would hate it if this meme got out there.

Yeah, I think my desire 'to know' is what tortures me the most. I mean, honestly, I have it made if I could only settle down and become more of a sensualist. I have a nice body, which I could exercise more, in which to luxuriate in. I'm intelligent...if I went full on 'me-driven,' I could be king of my own paradise....

Back on topic: I never said that illusions weren't real, or not integral to reality...to say that something is an illusion simply indicates it status of flux. Sameness exists everywhere at all times...that is why I always feel at peace, even if I am in pieces, because I always have a place to rest in Suchness.

Great post....here are some funny Songtsan thoughts: If I cut off my hand, and ship it overseas somewhere, can I be said to be in two places at once? Or am I still where I think/feel I am, and is the hand in its box now just an object that I class as 'other?' - a mostly dead (let's say I place it in ice...the cells will still be alive for some time after I cut it off)...another thought: if I have my head chopped off cleanly and in one slice, will the head still be conscious for a second or two? That would be an interesting experience.....

@Blue Eyed Snake: maybe try these things? red panax ginseng, american ginseng, Korean ginseng, ashwaghanda, reishi mushrooms, maitake mushrooms, cordyceps mushrooms, echinacea & goldenseal, maca, astralagus, neem, and so on-basically take them all at the same time (with physician approval)... Add any other adaptogens, mushrooms, immune system boosters, etc that you know of. I call this 'shock and awe' technique...maybe up your iodine for a bit....I cycle various herbs and whatnot on and off and take milk thistle to help the liver cleanse itself. Even if they aren't super efficacious, you will get one hell of a placebo effect.

I've seen it happen a time or two my selvsies, when I wasn't trying to do anything...

I see going off into the mountains as partially metaphorical. I want to, and plan to, remove myself into the wilderness for some time- not to play at survalism or to test my mettle somehow, its just what I feel inclined to do. Loneliness isn't an issue, I always have the voices in my head to keep me company. I just have to earn money to do so, which I am already doing. I'll bring a satellite phone for emergencies, plenty of food and supplies, and just be. It will be for self development purposes, not to get away. In the meantime, I could always just avoid the internet and TV and live in a quiet neighborhood and find a bunch of tension release that way...

So you lied! You can fit in a hole! Holy Liar!

I know! I'm not truly interested in stopping thinking yet. If I were, it probably would have happened by now....I'm close though...

But...your a snake!?

Why the hell not!? Who here is willing to move? Who is willing to donate (materials, money, art, skills)...who has mad geomancy skills and can suggest optimal sites? Who has friends with land, money, position, power, or influence? Need I say more? We can do it as NFP church! Come on guys and girls, let's rouse some rabbles!

We must start a new sect....or forget building a Taoist monastery- let's build a school which has its roots in Daoism, Buddhism, Vedanta, and all those other wonderful things we discuss here, and call it something completely new...bring in teachers from all paths, create a dedicated team of healers, researchers, scientists, teachers, writers, artists and more....build it to be self sustainable, environmentally friendly...grow food- in short, let's have the 60's revolution all over again, but even better than before!

Your self that can be killed is an illusion, it has no permanency...this is your impermanent self saying that it can be killed. This is true. No one is saying that getting hit by a bus won't generate pain energy, or that your form won't be altered quickly vs. Slowly. The question is, what is there that cannot die? What is there that is unborn? The unborn cannot die. If you want to find peace, find the acausal. Everything else that is causal is temporary.

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Except poison people with vaccines, orchestrate wars, control and/or influence politics of most countries, manipulate currency systems, oil prices, initiate false flag operations such as 9/11, and things such as these....nothing to worry 'bout mates!

Ive been studying psychology and this particular personality disorder for some time, and after months of research and observation, conclude that this meme has indeed been incorporated into this unit! How interesting, to wear these clothes...

Its weird in a cool way, one that shakes the foundations of old schemas...

I am a narcissist, 'to a significant degree' - or something like it..but I should go verify that! LOL....I could also be schizoid type with a high degree of emotional liability...who knows? I DO have a lot of different diagnoses....I do have an idea, but I don't. Need to stop defining myself in any event....let's just say that I am a dreamer who has always wanted to be a part of something bigger than my 'self' which takes up too great a space in my world.

Illusion just means temporary, unreal, ephemeral.... Form is inherently empty. No fixed self. Not to say that it isn't also real at the same time, but nothing ever stays the same one moment to the next. You can't step in the same river twice. Devoid of characteristics, what can be named is not the thing that is named. Honestly, I don't know!

I really just want a project to work on....I have no idea why I am like this (not true)....I feel like designing and building things....probably too much yang in head

Oh yeah, I am over my petition BTW...just being a social butterfly really