BaguaKicksAss

Don't you sleep, asked by the person who's up at 3:30am her time . Though I always make up for it later....

Don't you sleep?

Walking on a carpet during really dry weather, works stupendously well, I have found .

Nah, not usually, most don't beleive in the things we call superpowers... Prob ways to get chicks that don't take a few hours of day for a lifetime of training though .

Your photo doesn't work?

Of course it works, that is why we do it silly . I would say that there are many paths/traditions which would disagree with you on the irresponsible bit. Though perhaps practicing such things without proper teachings could be. Yeah anyways, I'm not going to stop my few decades of practice cause some completely stranger who hasn't even done 20 invocations (I'm guessing by your comment) is suggesting it's irresponsible . Now Nungali, he makes me look like a noob! He's less likely to scrap his I figure.

My fave enochian temple bit are the banners .

In Kelly's original vision of them, there were the four cloths which were pulled away from the great table: Doing this from memory, red in the east, white in the south, green in the west and black in the north... Then there's the whole which (if any) elements for each direction/quadrant. Again the original diaries show that, but only for the original table, not as clear for the reformed.

Do good deeds, or the NSA will get you... .

Heartfelt prayers, an invitation, food offerings, a fire, then a good-bye, that all looks familiar, but in a very different way . Though personally I use quite a bit of alcohol as well.

Jumping in and around the tablets it pretty awesome, I agree

Those roots likely help a bit too .

I spent a month painting my first set, then had the more advanced folks correct me, heh. Another month... LOL. Those things can walk by themselves I think .

The Golden Dawn version of the Enochian tablets is a far cry from the originals given to John Dee and Edward Kelly during their years of skrying sessions....

Seems silly to not do this or something similar if one has a partner . On the other side of things, would gratuitous sex bring about heaploads of negative karma? Interesting . Makes one wonder if some combining of forces (the 2 ppl) is needed. (yes I know it says you can do the practice along with visualized partner, but still I wonder). Yes I quoted wiki, but you gave me the link, so the wiki karma is on you .

That taking on another's karma thing sounds horrid, I'll pass thanks . Pretty neat about being at a level where you can just dissolve it. Hold on a sec... I thought that in the last bit it was said no way out of karma? Apparently someone can take it from you and dissolve it? Though I'm sure one has to get approval. Hell I have to even get approval to do basic money magics for folks, and any strong healing. What I mean is sometimes I go to start something and the universe tells me "uhm no, that isn't allowed". I guess I could just go it anyways, but I err on the side of caution with this. At one point I was going to embark on a project to help someone else out. Someone who was going through a bit of a living hell. So I ask the powers that be... and they basically say "remember that movie where the husband goes into hell to save his wife, but then he ends up getting caught there?" (well really they just made me remember scenes from said movie, but you get the idea). That was their analogy for how it would go for me for a time at least. Sounds similar to the above, but apparently much more difficult and more complicated than a healer being strong/enlightened enough to take karma and dissolve it. PS I noticed my heart blessings are diminishing with each post .

I did spend the first 10 years of my practice wandering around the ToL in various ways . Somewhere in there I decided the Enochian aethyres were *much* more interesting (though unlike most I do not see them as a side by side correlation at all). I'll admit to wondering in this whole conversation where Da'ath/the abyss might come into all this, and if it does in these systems. Then there was the sojourning into the inverted tree, and the backroads of the aethyres for a good while after this (too much reading Grant I think). Interesting times. I wonder what the Eastern equivalent would be? Though I'm pretty sure it is somewhere along the lines of "going backward" or "just don't go there" .

Who/what is the Jade Emperor? It seems as though some speak of him similar to a Deity? <-- very new to all this, still trying to grasp the very basics...

Nope. If it ever does happen, I really hope it's not like that time I had the flu really badly and... hey the description sounds similar to a horrid sinus ailment .

Sooooo glad I didn't type all that out yesterday when the site went down! (though the back button in the browser can save such things).

Thoughts even, crap. Hmmm, perhaps this is why sometimes people's thoughts can send out such strong energy. I've had some thoughts by others hit me when in a very open and receptive state and been surprised! I've also noticed with my own certain types/intensities of them go and manifest themselves rather quickly. Trying to be neutral all the time though, I'm so not there. I like this last one . So on my path we have several baths and incenses and such to increase good luck, get rid of bad luck and so forth. Also baths to disconnect past relationships. I've been fortunate and had more luck than most (so I feel and so many have told me). However an odd thing, when I was married, my luck went all to hell for that time, and about the same number of years afterwards. His luck improved though *grumble*. Things like this make me wonder if this happens to a lesser level with all people we are in regular contact with (or perhaps even brief contact). JAJ talks about group karma, karma from others and so forth. I did a good deal of disconnecting some past relationships after learning about the implications of this . I also put some thought into this regarding TTBs after becoming staff... Interesting. Is it really this cut and dry? Also who/what is to decide which is a good and which is a bad action? Later in this thread it is talked about how we sort of make karma (though I may have understood that wrong), so is this based on my own biases, beleifs and perceptions? Or some universal force's? Or? Based on intentions behind things? I have seen (and done myself) people doing things with the best intentions at the time, but which turned out to be quite negative for others, and wrong in many ways. So those "good people" can learn what they need to? Get off the wheel faster? Also our perception of what a "good" person is, is very limited at times I find. Also I have found that what we view as someone suffering, may not in fact be suffering for them. The TTBs mods must have several lifetimes worth of this stuff! Also I noticed some pretty interesting energies and stuff happen when I was volunteering. Thinking about it, the lady who did the most work with the local homeless and shelter residents of the skid row area, smiles more than most people I have ever met. I mean actual smiles not the phony ones. Also the groups she helps lead have some pretty interesting unexplained luck happen. I personally find life kinda meaningless without doing at least a bit of volunteering/helping others. Though my reasons are usually hating to see others stuff (I can feel it, darn empathy). I also like to balance out the odds a bit sometimes . Uh oh, there's been a lot of taking it for granted in the first half of my life... I'm trying to think of some examples of "the impact can be reduced" and can't seem to come up with many. Though I have sometimes done work to at least have what seems like a horrid situation lead to some growth, lessons and change, instead of it just sucking with no benefit. I think with all of the magic I have practiced (in this lifetime alone) I've got a giant karmic debt there somewhere. (unless the half I've done for others with no benefit to myself cancels some out or something). I'm good with all that though, still worth it . Though in Taoist magic apparently only magic done for others with no personal benefit is the only type which should be done. This makes perfect sense, thinking about it. Not seen much inner peace in mean people. Also the blackest magicians I've ever met I sometimes wonder why their darn karma isn't catching up to them in this life lol, but then I got to contemplating on it, and I think maybe it does in one sense, they are not happy people (the few I've met anyways). Which came first, the chicken or the egg is the other bit I wonder. Uhm, it sounds like sitting still, doing nothing with no thoughts for a lifetime or 3 is the only way out of this one? (not that some haven't taken this route or anything). So do immortals (there's several different categories of this), Deities, spirits, etc. also have this karma stuff going on? I'm guessing so. I'm basing this on a source even less credible than wiki, Taoist movies, heh. Interesting . So it *is* far far far more complex than just "good" and "bad" actions! Awesome. With that first part, oops. The whole confessions thing, oh yeah, most definitely!! Though in my case, I have a very different view of "sins" than... well most religions anyways. Still seems to work extremely well. Self forgiveness too. I like this one, I've always felt this way on a personal level. I'm able to forgive people of actions if they didn't have some nasty motives behind it. Give me another lifetime on this one, still working on it . This is one of my current projects, to do this, as much as possible. It's really hard. I don't like this one, and might not necessarily agree with it (yes yes I know damn noob arguing with the ancient texts again lol). The actions out of duty I can think of, I have not enjoyed much at all. Though I guess it would depend on your definition of it. The brief moments that it feels like I'm doing this (the bolded bits; or something similar) are awesome . But doing this (the bolded bits; or something similar) 24x7? Not so sure I'm up for that one. I think that's how Taoist priests go about it though, and probably the ultimate goal. Much respect for folks who do do this. I have practiced my Bagua with this in mind sometimes :wub: Well OK other stuff too. K, a few more lifetimes on this... It is most definitely an enjoyable state though. This, and all the stuff above, I never thought of in the context of karma though, ever before. Funky. More like "what works and what does not" in the realm of magic. The whole free from it all, I experienced such a state for several hours (after a 6 month retreat). Wonderful feeling and experience. Now just to figure out why I'm so resistant to this 24x7x365. So the rules for karma are sort of set in stone? They are also apparently above and beyond our thoughts and creation? (seems they would be if there is some universally recognized list) Interesting for my brain at the very least, not so sure I will go changing anything though... seems like too much thought put into this sort of thing wouldn't be good either, as it would no longer be natural. Sounds like some of this is what others refer to as "fate"?

Noob

Why do you feel you are not one of them? Do you think folks are born with the potential? Or? Yes I beleive they are natural as well, just some seem to call them supernatural. I have been fortunate with teacher finding over my lifetime, well I mean overall, there were a couple of douzies in there too lol.

This makes sense, thank you . Am I understanding right that karma is just about our own world/stuff created out of our false mental formations? If so, then it's just us. ? And those who have gotten rid of all those, karma no longer exists for them? If so, neat. Also if so, I need to have a little talk with myself and get this straightened out . I'm guessing it's not *quite* that simple though... Would fear of change be sort of the same or similar to #2? Not sure what is meant by conditionality? The dukkha bit makes sense. Where would that whole suffering on a "soul" level that people sometimes feel fall under? A suffering they can't put their finger on it seems. Personally I think it is a not on the right path in life sort of thing, but I could be wrong on that one.

It is a common joke, so just clarifying that I meant it. Yes fun in work is very important. I have personally found that good co-workers are more important than anything else, including pay scale. I would prefer to have a lesser paying job with a good work environment than vice versa. Also the right co-workers can make a crappy job fun. I have seen so much depression, frustration and sadness in people who have jobs they hate, and it is one of the things which troubles me the most. I always encourage everyone I know to do what they love the most, no matter what, just working towards it somehow anyhow. Of course most have to take crap jobs in their 20's, but at least heading towards a job you love is important IMO. I feel really blessed this way. I think I'm an expert on that second one lololol. I see it as much lesser suffering than the job bit; you don't need a lover, but you do sort of need a job of some sort. However with relationships, even the worst ones imaginable, the person is still your best friend, spiritual partner, and there are still the good times/bits in amongst the crappy bits. I did have one friend where her husband wouldn't let her practice her magical/spiritual system though! Had a student where he had to practice his in secret so his wife didn't freak out on him. Yeah those relationships didn't last long.