BaguaKicksAss

Found this: http://thetaobums.com/topic/21286-the-supernaturals/

I have never found the money a healer charges to be relevant to how good they are at healing. You can find healers of all abilities and levels, charging various amounts. Same goes for teachers of healing modalities and qigong.

The one person who I have heard of who charges that much has students who charge about 1/5th that amount. Might be a route to take.

In north america meth is the biggest problem lately, as a ruin the rest of your life sort of thing. Who needed those silly natural pleasure chemicals anyways right? Heroin is also a big one locally since we are a port city. It's quite unfortunate. I see the outcome of those things daily as I go through downtown.

Oh, now one like that I would be interested to work with . The reason being is that moving past fear is a really good thing. Well at least it warned you!

Yep, when I was new to healing and didn't know enough yet. Actually it's very easy to take on the disease of the person you are healing; the medical qigong folks include methods in the setup and finish to guard against this happening.

I'll share one of my methods in case anyone is interested. First I get the plant from an ethical source. Of course worrying about the depletion of the rainforests and all, but even more relevant is having a strong, healthy and happy plant spirit. Then I open up the packing and hold the herb, get a feel for it and have a little chat with it. At this point I can usually tell if that particular entheogenic species and I will get along or not. This is vitally important it one is going to go and ingest it I think! Not every person and every type of plant get along, no matter what people like to beleive. Next up I light a candle, and incense it and add a livening it up liquid mixture, or a bit of my own fresh blood, depending. This is repeated for several days, along with sitting with the plant, holding it, meditating and chatting. Then, I will finally do the working. Another method is to place said plant into a mojo bag in which you wear next to your body. The only thing is, with this particular method, there are positives and negatives. The positives are that you are far less likely to purge (throw up), that plant spirit will take care of you and look out for you, and your journey will be a good one with positive feelings, or at least overall. The negatives are that everything you knew or learned about dosages and how long the journey will last just went out the window. As long as you stick with the dose that an experienced and ethical person recommended, or you know from experience you won't end up with an overdose or anything, but the journey might end up being much stronger than you had planned for. Also, don't plan anything for the next day, just in case .

I'm curious now, which ones (if you don't mind me asking, and PM is OK) did you not end up remembering the trip after? I have never had that happen oddly enough. It's OK though, now they have the Go Pro.. .

A 10 hour salvia trip, sooo does not sound appealing to me lol. The regular mushrooms though, I like those, mainly because a 4 hour trip is nice and relaxing. Instead of those 8-16 hour ones! It is long enough to work some stuff out and to go deeper, but not so long that it feels like you are going into every single last little hidden space of yourself, or the universe depending on your focus, and digging stuff up and out. They aren't called teacher plants for nothing . Reminds me of something quite funny. There was an anthropology of healing class at our local college. Well for such classes during the first day twice as many students show up as there is room/seats in the class. The instructors tend to take 1-2 extra, but that is about it. So during this very first class (and it was a 2nd year course) the teacher showed a sacred mushroom ceremony video/documentary, about a group of shamans in Mexico. Well next class there was about the perfect number of students for that class... I have not personally found LSD to be any weaker these days. For a time there they had the legal version (one molecule different, so technically legal for a time). In the USA I mean, it might still be legal here, I'm not sure. So I decided to try that out. I couldn't tell the difference. Well OK different from the 70's stuff (someone had saved some for 40 years, so I got to try it about 7-8 years back), but the same as the 80's/90's stuff. It also apparently came in several different types, depending on what you wanted to work on, if anything, or just have fun, or...

Personally I don't find the short overly intense ones nearly as useful, as there isn't as much time to learn, go deep within and reflect while still in the state. I'm curious how others work with this though. I've never been interested in salvia; I've read/heard to many experiences with it, not my thing. However one of my students did end up speaking with a spirit while on it, when happened to be the exact same spirit which I ended up talking with months later for my grimoire; in other words, had a legit vision instead of just an internally created one.

I noticed the entheogen sites in the US don't sell b. caapi, I figure there must be a (legality) reason? Of *course* we don't ingest these internally! Actually, most of the time I do not, I have other methods for working with many of them which can often be just as strong (!!!!!) without actually ingesting them. I use these methods quite often since working with them internally that often would not be good for me personally lol. Also such things as incenses, offerings and such... Fun plants to work with . I think I'm going to go collect a bunch of aminitas . I will work with them in the temple and see what they have to relate to me. I have also noticed a bunch growing very well in the local cemetery. I figured those wouldn't be the ones to ingest lol; I'll make sure to label that bag. I have a wholesaler who I have ordered from for about 10 years now (recommended by another practitioner), where I get my entheogens. I like the quality of their stuff. I find that quality is just as important for magical and external use, as it is for internal use. Same with non-entheogenic spices too though.

In the conference there was quite a bit of talk about set and setting. Set being the person going into it, and what place they are at, and what they are up for. Both are most definitely very important factors. I have always felt that the bad times were when the person has some internal stuff they haven't worked out yet which is coming to the forefront. Or is just having a bad mundane point in their life. Hmmm, I'm not sure fun would describe most experiences... 12 hours of going through ones internal stuff. I wouldn't say it's bad either though. I'm sort of neutral about them all now, just the odd time to work with them. Though at first decades back I did take some of them just for the mundane fun aspect . That did get boring after a time though as it was so much the same, and was not helping with progression. Not seen bluelight, do like errowid though. However way to much random mixing a. with b. with w. on there! A more cautious and scientific approach would be good I think lol. Oh definitely don't need a phd to discuss it, however it was extremely nice for me to meet folks who work with entheogens regularly who aren't homeless or ready for the psyche ward, nor looking/acting all burned out. I wouldn't call it "getting wasted" as many folks who work with them, phd or not, do so in quite a sacred context and for specific work to be done. More of a becoming more aware instead of obliterating the senses. The organic suppliers' nutmeg tastes way better! The reason I ate so much is with my pumpkin mixtures, had forgotten about its other affects lol. Why do I see this ending in "gawd I never want to eat nutmeg again ever" sometimes? LOL I think long is the essential part when journeying to work through stuff though. For short, one can just meditate into a deep state, but it's not often one can keep up a non-stop extremely deep no self, with mind barely distracting, for 6-12 hours straight! This is one of my meditation techniques (depending on what I'm after). Just remember the feeling/energy, and duplicate it into the here and now, works great . The only thing is, to do this for 6-12 hours straight without breaks isn't very doable from what I have found. I would completely and entirely 100% disagree about this. Have you ever tried it? You are speaking without experience on this one. It is an extremely useful plant which has been used for at least a few centuries (I haven't done any research about older instances). Just don't do dumb stuff like take random amounts, or take it without finding out doses from an experienced person (same goes for the other strong ones). All the entheogens are poisons, to various degrees. It is traditionally used topically in a salve and is excellent for out of body travel and lucid dreaming and such. Like I said though, taking it without knowledge it not a good idea at all. Oh and don't eat the berries . (they taste nasty anyways)

No one at the conferenced talked about it, as it was more focused on the herbs from Mexico, Peru, Africa and etc. I have heard first hand experiences from folks about nutmeg though lol. I have always just felt a little not so good after eating way to much of it, nothing as exciting as something to work with for a journey... I want to submit a proposal for a lecture on LOCAL, or at least can be grown in one's backyard, herbs next time around. There really wasn't much focus on european and north american (cept Mexico), herbs. They did talk about local mushrooms and hemp a lot though .

As long as the rainforest herbs are ethically harvested and money and support goes back to the places where they are harvested from... I've gotten all picky lately lol. People buy aminitas?! Wow! Here they grow everywhere! So did any of your friends try the aminita, and if so how did it go for them? (one can never talk about their own experiences online when living in the USA apparently ) Everyone I have talked with, even folks at the conference has been to worried to try them due to the high risk factor. I have always heard that you take a matchstick size only. I've never tried them (I live in Canada, so have always talked freely about my personal experiences lol).

LOL that would be an AWESOME pendant! I should make some, they would sell very well . You would at least get humor points for such a pendant if you wore it. Wherever your interests lay presently, not in the past.

Sort of fun to leave it in thread, for awareness and such... Nightshade/Belladonna (I assume so as you can pick it anywhere) Mandragora/european mandrake Syrian Rue Aminita (though you can find them everywhere) Hawaiin Baby woodrose Aconite B. Caapi Dream Herb Datura Henbane Morning glory Maybe more to come, difficult to remember them all... I remember I ordered some of those from the US when I lived there before. They had to talk to me on the phone due to some legal precautions, and likely to figure out if I was at least 18 or not.

Late? How about the folks who miss classes entirely, often? *grumble* had 3 cancel today for tarot class *grumble*.

Several of the healing herbs are being controlled one by one, it is unfortunate. I don't even mean entheogens here, I mean standard help out your health sorts of herbs. But, these things do not make the drug companies billions, soooo... Btw, we are very fortunate here so far in Canada, most entheogens are freely available in local stores. For example they sell peyote buttons in a store down the street from where I live! If anyone does have a list of which ones are legal in the USA that would be most helpful for me, as some of my incenses do contain some of them.

One easy way to meet folks of similar/same spiritual interests is to wear a pendant with a related image. Works wonders. I have met a LOT of folks this way, even in very small towns, actually especially in small towns .

Trying to change someone they haven't even met yet, bad sign ROFL and also ROFL. I would have replied back with I am only attracted to you, but only if we put duct tape over your mouth.... (still working on that kindness to others bit lololololol)

I wonder if this would be spirit walking, similar to spirit boxing, but with a good natured and friendly buddha.....

It has frustrated me before as well. But then I realized there was this awesome stuff called Bagua . Just not the same without a physical body! I have always been active, but things like martial arts really get you to focus 100% in your body. This physical container is kinda fun once you master it in certain ways. Just sort of annoying when it's in a bit of disrepair. You are right though, grounding oneself into the body and perceiving from there can be very healing I have found. Also good balance for the spiritual and energetic stuff. Also things like sex and food are some side benefits . Sure do get to learn a lot with all the neurochemical systems involved too!

Bullshit. However, until you learn to differentiate that is likely good advice. No different than walking downtown. How many random strangers would you trust? With spirits it is more about your gut and psychic instincts. Though that isn't 100% either as they are better at energetic stuff than we are. The best approach is to have a teacher guide you in how to work with them and tell them apart. Also getting a Deity you trust and have them let you know which spirits are good and which are not good for you in particular to work with. Most systems have divination systems as well. But in short, find a teacher. If you don't beleive me, read a book called hungry ghosts (a true story personal account about a bunch of newagers who were channeling "beings of light").

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From my own experience and reports from my friends, OK Cupid's folks are less messed up than PoF. Also they tend to match better. Less people on there than PoF though. Dating sites work sometimes. I ended up dating someone for a year off of one, and a friend of mine has been dating someone for about a year and a half now. There's also mingle and speed dating meetup groups. Also meetup groups of various interests, so you can meet someone you have at least something in common with. My advice about dating sites is to be honest about your interests. No one follows that though; no one talks about their spiritual and energetic practices in their profile (accept me lol). How you can expect to meet someone on a similar spiritual path when you are hiding it is beyond me, but anyways...