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It feels more yin-like to me during the dark.. Well that and during the full you get more sun involved :>.

Some folks say that the people whom you meet are a reflection of yourself....

Pg 155 of JAJ's Daoist nmagical transformation skills book gives a handy chart about yin/ya/fng; male/female; energy/form... then down to the yin within yang, yin within yin.. and so forth, in the chapter on sexual alchemy. It might take me a few reads to make sense of this chapter... Interesting nonetheless . Though I think I'll just go sit out at night on the ground under a new moon and call it good!

As with any internal martial arts (and related) training... it is generally not just about the part the body part you are moving generally, it is more about the other areas you are working, this stuff included. From what I remember (bit foggy here) there are other areas you can damage if they are not tensed properly, and so forth.

I'll work on that .

Everyone is killing my one theory about how to come by yin (or yang) energy, or merge the two lol, I guess if just hanging around women increased one's yin, everyone could just go to yoga classes each week... Or to increase the yang energy, go to most gyms each week...

I tried to like this one 3 times Now that sounds interesting . Perhaps for some things, some of the time? Well in the other thread on here I think folks are still going back and forth, many pages later, about what and where the dantien is... in just a regular sense... so this definitely adds some complexity to things! If you remember the book let me know. The nadis thing makes sense . I was thinking... when getting that close with another person, there is definitely a LOT of energy mingle and merging. During and even afterwards each person has a bit of the other's energy merged with theirs... And women most definitely have a different energy than men.... so I figured, perhaps all that extra woman energy would give the man a ying boost! (and a woman a yang boost from a man). That whole finger and hand thing... now that's where it gets confusing and my brain hurts . This is also how most books seem to go into it. Whole people and major energies seem easier to grasp lol. I sort of understand it though, but have never felt a different energy from my fingers than I do my palms.. (not that I have looked either I guess). That makes sense about the quality and the individual people than the gender.

Flo... have you found a difference in energy after with men vs women? I know it depends a lot on each person as an individual, but I mean more overall?

True! For example I've been instructed to do some stuff differently during that time each month. Now this is interesting. I can definitely see how that would be the case. It makes me wonder about the folks who say have 7 kids! Not as common here, but in some countries it is sort of the norm, or at least was until recently. So every surgery you are screwed, at least for a time. Now that would explain an odd personal experience I had... Fortunately I have been given a women's version of the dantien exercises to do during that time, which works quite well. I didn't realize quite how well (since it seemed to work out exactly the same as the rest of the month) until one day I messed up and forgot to do it in the adapted manner, and it didn't go so well. Though we (in my school) don't wait for 72 after that time, just until it stops (or a day, it depends). Now that makes perfect sense, thank you for explaining that. Actually I have experienced similar, regarding sex. All that awesome progress and energy, cut in half from just one time *sob*! LOL Felt like 2 weeks were lost in the progress. From all I have found, (and from what my teachers have talked about) it is in the same place .

Now *that* is a practice you want an in person teacher for!!! You might need that body part later in life... just sayin'. Well also I have been in mixed classes which spoke of such things very openly, so I got to hear the guy versions too. Really cool was none of the guys thought anything of it when I asked for the female version .

There's an entire thread on that vid, the I started a few days back, check it out too . MPG you are prob right LOL. Well accept for Egypt, they def know how to do things!

Hmmmm, some say that each time you have a child, they take some part of your energy with them. Also JAJ goes into amazing detail about parents and children in an energetic sense. Well now you make me want to prove them wrong heh. If (according to some medical qigong folks) you can regrow (energetically at the very least) stuff which has been taken out... then whatever is changed so that one cannot fuse yin and yang, could be changed. No I'm not usually argumentative, I swear LOLOL.

Oh! I wasn't even thinking about during orgasm! I was more thinking about the entire time that the 2 people are so energetically and physically intermeshed...

I can think of 3 offhand . Maybe 4. I have also met women who are masters of their art, but not specifically neigong/qigong. Or perhaps the guys just talk about it more and have better promo skills . Do keep in mind you are talking to someone who finds the drive and motivation to work for themselves, practice Bagua, qigong, neigong and jewelry making courses, has run races up mountains (sorry couldn't resist lol).... yes, yes I know you mean in general. I do know several type A women who run their own businesses though, and others who are getting their PHD. I think maybe it just draws more males, sort of like martial arts does. I wonder why that is? With qigong/neigong I mean. I know why martial arts draws less.

*consults the kama sutra* yeah I guess there are not any positions where both partners would have their perineum in contact with the ground . Though I get the impression that merging instead of focusing on yin would be more the goal. So how come a guy would not collect heaploads of yin while being that connected with a woman? Hell even hugging someone for that matter who is very yin?

LOL that second part made me LOL Keep in mind... quality of Yang energy... er anyways... If this is the case... how come there are not more women neigong and qigong masters? We can just live life and call it good whilt the guys have to work their butts off in hours of martial arts and meditation to keep up? And since it was you that did the reply I can ask.... so why no MP women masters? I don't recall JC mentioning his wife practicing along with him... I do know some neigong couples who do practice together though, hmmmm, I might have to ask them a few personal questions (I have found that martial artists are very open to personal questions and don't take it the wrong way :>)

Welcome from a fellow Canadian, eh . PS get an in person teacher.

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Yes. I've been dying to type that ever since this thread started! I'm sort of surprised no one else has already

In his case, more by his own negative (and overabundant) ego. Though personally I don't think that has anything to do with him doing both Muslim stuff and magic stuff. There are a few who do that path, just the strict Muslims think it's pretty evil. Though some people see this as the same thing. On a side note we are talking more of Iblis or Shaytan?

I was just meaning that one thread on there about mystical works by various Sufi folks... you'd have to do a search. Yeah I have a Muslim magician friend, he calls most magic Haram (sp?) however... he says that he can do any magic as long as it is Allah's will. However it is entirely possible he's fudging a bit there . Also when I was in Egypt, I had a Muslim magician try some magic work on me, it was interesting. (it half worked)

Nope, members cannot rename their own threads, has to be a Mod or Tech. (Stewards cannot either).

Such practices and playtime can be an extremely deep and profound experience, especially when you are first trying them out. It tends to take you places that we don't usually go. BDSM works with our primal instincts which we don't normally access. Well also it touches on any repressed stuff we have to do with sexuality, abuse, how we relate to the world in the sense of control, and so on. It can go pretty deep. Yeah the whole aftercare thing is very important, for both people. Also talking, a lot. Stuff will come up, so just being there to support the person and allowing them to open up and talk afterwards is good. Sometimes the Dom will feel bad, or feel like they are an abuser, or if they have been abused before they can sometimes feel (on a subconscious level I mean) feel as though they are the same as that person who hurt them in the past. Yes there can also be an endorphin drop, for both parties actually (not like the energy isn't shared during the entire time). Also there can be an emotional crash. Those nice barriers and walls that we like to keep up, tend to crumble completely during such practices. Well quite often anyways. The level of crumbling is of course dependent on both people and their comfort levels, however, sometimes it can be quite surprising afterwards when everyone comes back to the regular mundane/waking state. As far as energetics go, yes you can go into a very deep altered state. Actually both the Dom and the sub can; however the Dom generally needs to be pretty aware, as the sub might not be thinking coherently at all times. Talking about what you guys like, what your limits are, and all the safety stuff beforehand helps too . I have found that BDSM can be quite excellent for magical practice and ritual. It helps with the altered states, brings the participants out of their regular waking mundane state, and also provides a good deal of juice for the ritual (pun intended and meant in more than one way). Basically it can be treated as any other profound and deep spiritual or ritualistic practice that you do as a couple. The setup and what is done during the time, as well as the meditations and energy work can vary depending on what you are wishing as an outcome for each time. Go slow though and have fun with it. Also if you run into questions or complications, pretty much every town has a local BDSM group for workshops, questions and so forth.