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Yeah, I once had a lucid dream where I tried to sleep in the dream so that I would wake up. Instead, the dream did not go away, but I was going into a meditation after a while. Don't remember much but black.

It has happened to me some times in a dream that I dream I sit in a place and begin to meditate and the concentration seems really strong and the energetic feelings more than if I meditated during day. I think I slept sitting up. Does anyone know how to purposely cause this meditation dream? It happened to me by chance more than twice. Otherwise, never meditate when you are sleepy because it's a waste of time. EXCEPT if you are only a bit sleepy which you can overcome after a few minutes you have began the meditation, in my experience. I forgot that if you are not a beginner in meditation and the chi enters the head you may begin to feel a bit like sleepy. It's normal.

hi 宁道友 Thanks a lot reminding us of this and giving me the opportunity to think about this question. 陈 撄宁 is born in 1880 twenty years after the end of the opium war, which resulted in the humiliation of the Chinese state and the free hands to the English, French, American and Russian to do bussiness and enrich themselves to the detriment of the chinese society and population. Becoming a young adult in this context, I imagine, Chen Ying Ning thought as many others, how to protect the chinese country and culture against the ignorance and greedyness of the western foreigners. Today we have to ask ourselves questions. In Europe the ignorance of other cultures than the european ones and the arrogance in our way of thinking is still very present. When our interest goes to Chinese culture and religions it is often a kind of attraction to an exotic dream, the hope somewhere else far away, the inner conflicts human being must fight don't exist. It has nothing to do with the language, everyday life, history and construction of generations. In addition to that, there is a problem with the way the westeners do their "shopping" in other cultures spiritual heritage. Because we in Europe have destroyed the last traces of the old shamanic religions, we travel elsewhere to find them again, because our culture and religion includes a negation of the body we look elsewhere to find inspiration to relate again to our bodies for our health and spiritual paths. etc... I understand the chinese masters and teachers are more than sceptical seing coachloads of westeners arriving with their ignorance and their (not any more so much) money, trying to buy a quick way to a dream, instead of what is otherwise a question of decades of study, personal efforts, patience, searching for a master and hard work. I understand they don't want to waste their time. In fact I often think they are much too polite. But for having spent 20 years teaching a "foreign" culture, which is my original culture, and having myself been in a process of studying cultures for me "foreign" for many years, I also think "traveling" is a necessary social and historical fact for cultures to grow, exchange, change and live. The interest in the west for daojia is still very confidential. Most people arrive through martial arts or chinese medicine. Few are ready to devote a lot of hours and efforts to learn what is necessary to go into this cultural path and understand this spiritual tradition. When speaking for exampel of neidan it is a question of personal practice maybe 90% even if the 10% of teaching by a master is determinant for the daoren to be able to enter the way. There will always be people crossing the borders, lets try to do it as devoted students and respectfull xuesheng and not as greedy consumers. And if your yuanfen leads us to a place and a person who accepts to teach us, it will always be according to what we are able to perceive.

So quantum biologist Dr. Mae-Wan Ho realized that there are over 70 frequencies of energy that are quantum coherence as consciousness in the body. Then she realized that hearing is quantum coherence as consciousness: Dr. Mae-Wan Ho And so indeed it has been proven that we hear at the "sub-angstrom wavelength" which means we detect sound at a smaller wavelength than light! Quantum Effects in the Dynamics of Biological Systems, 1983, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, William Bialek (currently Princeton Professor) The ancients understood this as the secret of alchemy through music theory. The "three gunas" of India are from music theory, just as the yin-yang-Emptiness of the Tai Chi is from music theory. This is also known as Spanda as conscious energy The Mystery of Vibrationless-Vibration in Kashmir Shaivism: Vasugupta's Spanda Karika & Kshemaraja's Spanda Sandoha by Swami Lakshmanjoo When these three gunas are in equipoised, prakrti remains in a dormant state or quiescent state. Prakrti is the three gunas, having no gunas. O.K. so what this means is that the "fundamental pitch" is actually two different frequencies at the same time - but our ear is listening hears the same frequency. Listening is proven to be "faster than Fourier Uncertainty." Physics since Plato has defined time as a spatial measurement of irrational magnitude geometry. So this means frequency is measured with time as a "cycle" and so the cycle is measured as a certain wavelength - and converted to radians. So 2pi is a normal cycle but if it is a 3D sphere then it is 4 pi. But with quantum phonons - it is noncommutative phase which means that it is spin 1/2 so that the 2pi is in two different directions at the same time! This means at a supposed "zero point" in space there is a 5th dimension that is nonlocal protoconsciousness. The ancients knew this by saying that "one" is not a number and so the source of the I-thought as Vichara by internal meditation with the eyes closed - resonates sound to this quantum noncommutative phase as spin 1/2 nonlocal consciousness. So for example if you say the root tonic or fundamental pitch is 1 then if 2/3 is the subharmonic frequency as the Perfect Fifth pitch it is C to F as geometry while 3/2 as the overtone frequency is also a Perfect Fifth but C to G geometry. So that means that G=3=F at the same time. That is the ancient truth of harmonics as infinite frequency that got covered up by Plato, Archytas and Philolaus. So what Philolaus did was double the octave and use geometric magnitude to define sound, instead of defining sound as listening to time! So then if C to F is 2/3, this does not allow the Perfect Fifth to double inside the same octave. So instead the 2/3 as C to F is converted with the 8 as 2/3 of 12 now turned into a new root tonic. So the double octave enables 6/8 with the root tonic as 0 to 8 nodes of a 1 frequency or fundamental pitch of 1. So then this means that 8/6 is the geometric magnitude of the Perfect Fourth as 4/3 or C to F and then 12 to 8 is the frequency of 8/12 wavelength (but now as geometric magnitude) as the Perfect Fifth. So now you can have 12 to 8 as the Perfect Fifth plus 8 to 6 as the Perfect Fourth = the Octave. So you can multiply the octaves but then add them as geometric magnitude and also subtract by division and this is the first "logarithm" of mathematics. But you notice the "bait and switch" right? The root tonic not only got changed from 0 to 8 but got reversed to from 0 to 12 and then 12 to 6 for the octave as magnitude. So in actually the meaning of OM is the infinite noncommutative phase of the "three gunas of no guna" - and you can hear this OM as the subharmonic - called the Quantum Undertone - of the biophoton light - it is when the vagus nerve is strongly activated on the right side of the heart, as the "secret pinhole" as Ramana Maharshi called it - to formless awareness beyond the body-mind. So there is a nonlinear resonance of undertones and overtones that are harmonized as noncommutative phase that is nonlocal consciousness-energy. So CIA mind control scientist Dr. Andrija Puharich figured this out also - when he worked on implants. He realized that ultrasound activates the vagus nerve but then causes an ELF subharmonic as the magnetic moment of the proton and electron in hydrogen-based molecules. So the ELF subharmonic is literally a reverse time spin frequency - just as used in MRI machines. And so Puharich followed Julian Schwinger who postulated a "magnetic monopole" origin for this reverse time spin - and as I posted - this "magnetic anomaly" has been demonstrated with the Josephson Junction since it enables superconducting conversion of noncommutative phase into the Volt. But the amazing thing about phonon consciousness is that it is superconducting at room temperature!! Of course the ancients knew this as the secret of alchemy but scientists are only know realizing this. Because we have relied on light for measurements then relativity always requires a linear sense of time as consciousness but because listening with the eyes closed enables a nonlinear noncommutative phase synchronization then we can maintain the focus and literally create a spacetime transformation of consciousness. What the Chinese did us define the "fundamental pitch" of 1 as the Moon yin qi energy!! This means they tried to harmonize the Solar and LUnar calendar based on music harmonics so that 81 months were multiplied by 19 solar years - and you get the "Pythagorean Comma" - the difference between 2 and 3 as it divides and multiplies into octaves and Perfect Fifths. So for the Chinese, just as with the alchemical Pythagoreans - there was no need for the paradox of a wavelength longer than the root tonic pitch, as is found with the undertone harmonic if trying to keep it inside the octave. Rather each note is the inverse of time and frequency with infinity defined is listening to time as consciousness. In India this is called Kala as time into Kali as the Goddess of creation and destruction. Since the Chinese used pitch pipes - just like in West Asia - before the Lyre was used as a kind of monochord - then the sound is defined based on listening to infinite time with no need to define time as a physical wavelength. So by stating One is Not a Number or the source of the I-thought is Silence as formless awareness - this means that 2/3 and 3/2 are nonlocal awareness as the same "pitch" as consciousness but with two different frequencies and wavelengths - the quantum undertone frequency is therefore "blue-shifted" spacetime - so that when we see blue light in meditation - this is the psychic energy being accessed. Hence the "blue moon" secret of the pineal gland as the Yuan Qi emanating from out of the heart. It is water that controls life on Earth but when the Lunar calendar was covered up then time was defined as geometric magnitude with the Solar calendar - and so Patriarchy tried to "contain infinity" as a materialistic definition of time. So this is the new research to develop room temperature superconducting noncommutative phase qubit computing using sound phonon energy as information. It is only once we return back to our spiritual ego as light - that we then maintain a linear sense of time - and so we regard an experience as possibly "predicting the future" as precognition - and when it happens we realize we already say it happen "in the past" during or meditation or a dream. But in fact that is just the temporary light as the spiritual ego. This is why Ramana Maharshi emphasized that most gurus get caught up in the astral realms - instead of continuing the Nirvikalpa Samadhi as Vichara - internal listening to Silence - to finally transcend death. What happened with Ramana Maharshi is that his heart stopped and he was just in pure formless awareness and then he felt a strong electromagnetic pulsation - after 15 minutes of his heart not moving - suddenly on the right side of the heart he felt a strong electromagnetic pulsation which then created light on the left side of the heart, thereby reactivating his spiritual ego. But after that he had achieved eternal liberation so with each breath his Shakti went beyond death through the "secret pinhole" on the right side of the heart. So a person could be a qigong master with the third eye fully open and see lots of light but they still have not achieved "eternal liberation" by transcending death - through this "inner ear" method as Buddha called it. But again the yin qi is this same consciousness that coordinates our body's organs - and does so as nonlocal awareness as noncommutative phase phonon-consciousness. It is just that most people are completely unaware of its existence nor do they know how to increase the yin qi and store it up, etc.

Alchemy, both Occidental and Oriental (Chinese), revolves around the creation of the Philosopher's Stone. This, in simplest terms, is matter evolved to its highest possible state, in which it actually transcends its original physicality. It then becomes a carrier and agent of hyperdimensional or subtle forces, expressed on the level of physical existence. Now the Philosopher's Stone has certain analogies, in keeping with the Principle of Correspondence. One Alchemist of yore advised his followers: "Turn yourselves into living Philosopher's Stones!" Arguably that's the real aim of all Alchemy: The transformation of its practitioner. And that transformation goes beyond the psyche and includes the physical body that, imbued by spirit, now takes on various extraordinary traits and abilities. These can include levitation, teleportation, invisibility, instant self-healing, rejuvenation, longevity, immortality etc. In the West as well as in the East, there have always been both Alchemists that performed the Great Work in the external environment of their laboratory, and others that, while adopting the same terminology, used the latter to refer to the internal processes which they - primarily or exclusively - laid their focus on. While this is quite evident if we look at Chinese Alchemy with its division into Waidan and Neidan, it holds true for Western Alchemy as well. There is indeed also an Occidental tradition of spiritual or 'speculative' Alchemy. Contrary to an opinion popular with a certain type of contemporary Alchemy aficionado, the latter is NOT a pipe dream of 19th century occultists or even Jungian psychologists! Long before them, there were e.g. Zosimos of Panopolis (Hellenistic Egypt), Ibn Umail (Arabic Middle Ages), as well as Jakob Boehme, Michael Maier and Thomas Vaughn (European Renaissance), all of whom need to be regarded as representing the internal branch of the Royal Art. Nor is the opposite view sustainable that all Alchemists were just talking symbolically when they were describing physical substances and processes. In many cases, the Great Work was seen as something taking place in both the external and the internal world simultaneously, interlinked by what C.G. Jung calls synchronicity. It should also be understood that all Alchemists - ancient and modern - work within a cosmological framework that can be described as Hermetic in the Occident and as Daoist in the Orient. This provides the foundation for all alchemical labour, even where the latter isn't aiming at the Philosopher's Stone or universal medicine, but at 'particulars' or Spagyric remedies with a more limited scope of healing power on physical and psychological levels, but manufactured and working in analogous ways. Now the aforesaid essentially also applies to less known forms of Alchemy, e.g. to its Indian variation, but the foregoing should be sufficient to illustrate my view. So, to answer the OP's question, while 'energy work' plays a significant role in Alchemy, the reverse is not true: Not all 'energy work' is aptly called 'alchemical' - unless, of course, you broaden the original meaning of the term so much that you deprive it of essentially all its original meaning. Hope this helps.

So for a while I've been keeping a practice journal. It's mostly a dream journal, which I've used for lucid dreaming purposes. Started a couple years ago and everyone said to use one. Kept up the habit. Added some practice musings, reflections on subjects or new points I make, insights that I find of value, quotes from TTB (honestly!) and things like that. For lucid dreaming, I suppose it's been fairly helpful. But recently it's gotten a bit of a drag to keep updated (dream entries, for example, take up to an hour and a half to write in the detail that a good entry would require, and I just don't have the time to do that, so I usually fall behind or just forget them). This happened the other day- I was highly focused, and reflecting on a particular problem/issue. It was a big mental block. I didn't know where to go. Thought intensely about it for about 20 minutes. Then suddenly this thought, an idea, a resolution, popped into my head. It took me 2-3 seconds to appraise it and decide to try and apply it then and there. Then, the last thought I had, which happened a split second later was, "if this works, I can put it in my journal." BAM. Blank mind. Totally empty. Then I was like, holy cow, this works, now I can write it in my journal..... wait, what did I do? What was I even thinking about? I honestly couldn't remember anything past a certain point. Like, I could remember my train of thoughts, the problems I was kicking around, and in general, about 18 of the last 20 minutes. But I just couldn't do it. I wracked my brain for probably 45 minutes trying to figure out what I did. A lot more physical and mental stress than I got from the first problem, before just giving up and saying "forget it". It just seems like many insights go that way for me- I do something, then move on. I've also gone back and reviewed some of my past entries. The dreams are boring, and the problems seem trite. It's like..... I don't even care. The problems aren't even applicable. Totally different person. I guess part of that is the point, to see how you've changed. But it's like, okay, I'm not the person I am now who I was.... okay, moving on. Occasionally I wonder how maybe my insights could be helpful to other people. But 1) if I can't remember what they are, what good are they to someone else? 2) my problems, and solutions, are pretty unique to my particular experiences, so any parallels people draw would be in general concepts anyway. So I'm thinking, bleh. I don't really feel like keeping this up. It just seems.... meh, like a poor construct. But when I put it down, I always pick it up again. And people complain about never keeping a dream journal. Here I am complaining about not being able to stop! Thoughts?

Hello Cihan, Thanks for your nice post about mental visions occurring before jhanic states (deeper absorption). That is a regular and most pleasant feature of the FP Chi Kung Meditations. And they are unusual because they can happen very soon after one starts practicing the FP system, as you have experienced. My sense is that different FP Meditations will bring on the "Nimittas" for different people. But because, as I have said all along, the effects of each and every FP Chi Kung exercise are cumulative, with persevering practice, one will inevitably reach a point of advanced practice where the practice of any one of the "basic level" of the FP Meditations (those taught in my DVD series) will induce the Nimittas and impart very pleasant, brain-activated, altered states of consciousness I recall that in Year One of the thread, within the first few months after Fu-doggy started it, a subscriber who had just started practicing the FP with the DVDs commented something to the extent of: "Enjoying the FP practice...everything that a great Qigong should be." And I believe he also related how he experienced mental images of Buddhist iconography, which was interesting to him and perplexed him, because he had no interest whatsoever in Buddhism (that he was aware of)! I also explained how while training under GM Doo Wai in the early 1990's, we students not only communicated psychically by sending mental images to one another (at a distance of about 12 miles) but the GM taught us how to do this by having us conduct a controlled experiment that led to each person verifying their remote "reception" of a classmate's mental projection. And I posted in detail that in the same evening following this exercise, while sleeping, I experienced dreams in a way that I had never experienced before--and discovered the next morning that I had exchanged or switched "dream modalities" with my classmate Jeff Roth. (see the Year One post) All these psychical events are in the same "ballpark" or "genre" as the nimittas that you described--only with practice we developed some volitional control over them. High level masters like GM Doo Wai and and the late Share K. Lew had extensive control over their psychic projections. For they could project mental images, thoughts, auditory experiences, and moving mental images (live action scenarios just like a film or video clip) to a person and "plant them" in their mind or nervous system--most easily through the dream state, but also during a persons' waking state. I became acquainted with a variety of each master's very real hocus pocus during my apprenticeships under them. At any rate, enjoy the nimittas! Sifu Terry Dunn

I almost did this deliberately to provoke the response that you just gave I actually don't think of the butterfly dream of having the significance (or reincarnation) that this part does. I feel that is more to do with perception and understanding life as an illusion based on your mind's experience. This book keeps adding layers upon layers on my own mind. Time to fast

I suppose this started when I grew my hair out. I get these longings to be in the forest or away from society. It seems that it is the only place where my body feels restored. But it depends on where I go. I remember I drove 40 miles to a place and I could feel I restore ation of my body as if my muscles are relaxed and my mind began to clear. This happens in certain areas, the Wilderness or high-energy places interesting Lee at a few Indian reservations. Obviously I've come to learn then I am energy sensitive. When I cut my hair last year I felt as if everyone's thoughts were invading my mind, and I remember taking a drive down the road, I unbuckled my seatbelt and I was ready to jump out and fight the guy behind me. I'm practicing celibacy I have to remain calm and also guard my thoughts, not to send out thoughts of little indent or my grumpy thoughts, as I find a return. I stay with a relative and when I cut my hair, basically whenever I was around this relative I would get very sharp pains in the tooth and head region. Well this was around the time I was picking up vibrations to the phone. I know, y'all think I'm crazy. The funny thing is I was talking to my sister around that time and she's a very spiritual person. I remember feeling a great warmth and light coming from above when talking to her. And I also remember being able to feel people's anger through the phone. Maybe someone could shed some light on to what that was? When I was with this relative I remember we came home and after everybody left I felt an extreme sharp pain in my head and mouth area. It was crazy. I went on to sort of " confront" the relative on what it was but they denied anything. I thought celibacy and quitting drinking, sugar, and spending less time on the internet would have made me a stronger person. Now I pick up on everything lol. Sometimes when this relative visits I know they're home before I even get home. As I drive into my neighborhood I tend to pick up these vibrations. They're sort of like and annoyed anger vibration. I wonder if it has something to do with where you sleep, because I think we're one sleeps they establish sort of their root of their vibrations. Anywho, when this relative came to visit I picked up on all these hostile vibes. And I really didn't want to be home in fact I would have much rather sleep than my car out on the outskirts of town are near a forest but hey it's where I live. A little bit of background, the relative I speak of is on medications including antidepressants. Well it has come to my attention that these type of medications induce a condition which is known as "akathesia induced impulsivity" This condition is basically the feeling you want to explode. This feeling of wanting to explode, is completely overrated by the medication, so your body has this insane feeling but it is completely ignored. This condition was a term coined by Kelly Brogan if you're interested in reading more about it. My point is, I feel that I was picking up on these vibrations big time, with my relative who takes these medications,. Any opinions are appreciated and thank you for reading. Someone mention the word SEER, I do not consider myself a seer just somebody who basically can pick up the vibrations of a general area. Depending on how I'm doing my moods energy levels diet Etc. Once in a blue moon I'll get a dream that sends me a message but other than that I'm pretty average.

Just wait until you can enter in a samadhi in your sleep, dream. And seeing the nimitta growing like a fireball in your third eye, in your dream. At times, you may see this nimitta before or after your vision too.

I've lucid dreamed my whole life. I go in phases where I do it a lot, anywhere up to like 5 times a week, or not very much, like a couple times a month. I can lucid dream whenever I want, though. I just have to have already been asleep for a few hours, then I know how to enter into a dream without losing consciousness. I can give you my technique for doing that if you'd like.(I don't really need to use the technique anymore, I can just kinda do it by just being aware, but i'll tell you the technique I used to use that gave me that ability) go to sleep for a few hours and set an alarm or something. Once you wake up, don't get off your bed but look around a couple seconds so you regain a little awareness. Then try to go back to sleep. While trying to go to sleep, though, play a part of a song over and over again in your head. Just like you're listening to it on the radio. Don't get too excited, still try to sleep, but just listen to the song while doing it. After a little bit, you should start to feel like you're rolling and flipping and moving around, maybe like someone is making you do it. That means you're doing it right, so don't worry. Keep repeating the song. Not too long after, you'll be in a dream, still repeating the song.

"Sympathy? Not for me. No mercy for a criminal freak in Las Vegas. This place is like the army: the shark ethic prevails-eat the wounded. In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity." ~Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (A Savage Journey into the Heart of the American Dream) (1971) by Hunter S. Thompson

Expectations To achieve contentment, your expectations in life must be realistic and reflective of reality. Those who dream of the banquet wake to lamentation and sorrow. Those who dream of lamentation and sorrow wake to join the hunt. The Wisdom of Laotse, Lin Yutang, 11 Tao is the mysterious source of the universe. Teh is the word used to represent the manifestations of Tao. The greatest manifestation of Tao is nature. Therefore you can appreciate the values of the source, Tao, by observing and studying its manifestation, nature. Look around and you will see that in nature everything is a struggle. Animals feed on one another. Germs, viruses and bacteria prey on all of us. Businesses take delight in “killing” their competition. Nature functions through the cycles of Yin and Yang, predator and prey, growth and decay. Life therefore is a struggle. It’s a war. Taoists embrace this reality and cultivate within themselves a warrior spirit. Their attitudes and expectations are therefore correct. When expectations are correct, you will not be disappointed or discontent. Consequently, Taoists do not expect life to be a bed of roses, a “banquet;” instead, they know that life is a difficult war, “lamentation and sorrow,” so they embrace it and “join the hunt.” The greatest sin in Taoism is confusion – not having a clear picture of reality. Taoists seek to keep themselves free of confusion so that their expectations of life’s harshness are correct. Their spirits thrive on this reality.

I am not sure if what I want to do is mind conditioning. I do find it useful to reprogram myself. Living as a Christian for most of my life, living with societal and familial beliefs systems the only way to stop thinking the way I have been programmed as a child is to program myself to think differently. I do not know how be free of mind conditioning. I mean my mind has already been conditioned one way, so if the better course is to become unconditioned, not to condition myself another way, how do I go about this? In any case although I was entertaining the thought of subliminally programming myself, initially all I want to do is ask myself some questions. I want to access that part of myself that is referred to as unconscious, but is really subconscious or subjective. I feel I am hiding things from myself, and I want answers. I have come to a place where I understand that I am not to seek. So whatever I do I have to do it without seeking. I am still learning about this. But seeking or not, I still need to know what I should do or where I should go. I am fairly certain I know these answers but am not able or not allowing myself to hear them or access them. I know I have to use the seeker here as I am looking for these answers. But I need direction. I also want to know why I am, all of a sudden, having trouble recalling my dreams. Why I can't seem to lucid dream. Why I am having so much trouble astral projecting. What is my dream, purpose, fate, True Life or whatever else you call that? Maybe monks would gladly trade places with me, as perhaps being directionless is some sort of ideal state. But I do not like it. I have to clearly know and understand what my best course of action may be. I want to root out whatever I have hidden from myself and come to terms. Bring it all out, feel whatever needs feeling, experience whatever needs experiencing, begin the process of freeing myself from anything that would cause resistance in me, or become a barrier to me, or whatever. You say I should not condition my mind. OK. I am not sure, at this moment, my thoughts on that. But I am not looking to condition my mind. I can table that for now. I simply want to hypnotize myself, ask myself some questions, answer them, if possible while in a trance state without the interference of the conscious mind and ego, wake myself up, and listen, learning what I need to learn.

BTW, how do you know if you are being tricked by a trickster spirit??? Last week, I had a vision/dream. This woman was supposed to be someone I knew long time ago. However, she didn't look like her. She was very, very adamant about a specific date in May I have to remember. It has something to do with the color green and being Irish. That date is not connected to anything Irish according to what I have googled. I have no cultural attachments or connections to the Irish culture. I am like, sure, I will keep my eyes on this particular date because it is supposed to be a date I couldn't forget or a date I would always remember..... This was actually my first ever dream or vision having been told to become aware of a particular date and time frame.

Michelle Gong, might be a good contact for those looking someone to help them find a taiji teacheror new to taiji and wanting some lessons. She knows a lot of the teachers in the city as well as being an accomplished taiji player her self... a good friend and fellow taiji class mate. Michelle, Beijing Tour Guide, Taiji teacher Followed her dream as a young girl growing up in a small rural village in China. She learned taiji as young teenager, traveling to the “temple of heaven” in Beijing to study under the taiji masters, and would later go on to win an international competition in 2009. https://journeytoemptiness.com/2017/01/12/taiji-beijing/ can be contacted at http://www.tourguidebeijing.cn/

Two very different interpretations of Meditation. I#d go with sykkelpump in interpreting Meditation as letting go of attachments. Why attach yourself to music? With shamanic trance of course things stand different. But thats Trance , not Meditation.Flight in Higher or Dream Dimensions as opposed to being awake and receptive in THIS World.

Does anyone else here use emotional music in their practice? What are your thoughts? Any recommendations? Tool: Third Eye; Lateralus A Perfect Circle: Vanishing Forest For The Trees: Dream

"Those who dream of the banquet wake to lamentation and sorrow. Those who dream of lamentation and sorrow wake to join the hunt." - Chuangtse

You stated in the quote... Is it not an assumption that the seeing, the reflections seen in the mind space, and the mind space itself are all of a different nature/reality? i am not stating that they are all different, I am stating the opposite, that they are the same. But, that too is an assumption. If you changed the original quoted statement to... If the seer [drik, the ego] and the perceived to be seen by the seer [not necessarily the actual world] were different in their reality [sat], the act of seeing would never possible. Then I would be in agreement. The issue for me is the big assumption with the “reflection in mind” necessarily being the actual reality, when it could simply be a mind stuff dream. As with my problem with Dwai’s three types of knowing, they are not necessarily really knowing. Really just some perception of (local) awareness.

The logic is circular because the quote (and concept) was assuming that everthing is inside of the same Awareness. It stated that... If the seer [drik, the ego] and the seen [drisya, the world] were different in their reality [sat], the act of seeing would never possible. The actual object being “seen” does not necessarily need to really be in the same reality, as it is to the seer there is really only a reflection in the seer’s mind. A seer could simply be existing in a world of sonar pulses and not really be perceiving the “true” underlying reality of the objects that are supposedly being seen. Similarly, a tree can fall and there can be a sound, even if there is no “seer” to be aware of/perceive/hear the sound. Just as you stated with the dream example, a seer can make up his/her own world in their mind, no need (or proof) that it is really the world itself. Seeing is a product of the seer, not necessarily the underlying object supposedly being seen. If that was not true, then dreams would be very boring.

Honestly no, I have not had any such a dream that I can remember. At least not in the last 20 years or so. As, I stated above, all waking stuff (thinking, seeing, etc...) does happen in the mind. To me, both waking and dreaming activity is in the mind, the difference is more just if it is subconscious or conscious mind activity. More broadly, all that is “perceived” is really just a reflection in the mind of the underlying energy of it all.

This is the basis of dream yoga practices.

Thanks Jeff. Have you ever dreamt a dream so real, that you did not realize you were dreaming until you woke up? I'm sure you have. If so, then how do you know that the waking experience is also not happening "in the mind" ? What exactly determines the difference between the two, for you?

it is a modification of awareness, only. Doesn't REALLY exist. Sort of like how a dream object doesn't REALLY exist, when considered from a waking state perspective Not new definitions at all. These are just deeper unfolding of the subject. It is always better to start with a simple set of concepts, and then unfold naturally