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I guess I'm referring to a very specific process in terms of re-feeling the feeling, I purposely re-enter the feelings brought up in dreams only, and allow myself to fully feel them after analysing the dream itself. In fact with this system, the longer I can re-enter the feeling, the better. After doing a 'session' of this, I don't usually have to revisit it, unless a dream brings it up again. The feelings are always uncomfortable, but to consciously feel that particular feeling seems to effectively release it. My dreams have their own program about what to work on at any point in time, I just go along with them, feeling whatever they want me to feel, sometimes just understanding what they want me to understand. For me dreams are like a personal guru leading the way, and after 30 years of doing this I can honestly say I'm happy with the outcome.

Would I rather die a dreamer or live a jaded realist? Dream or nightmare? Which shall I choose... Is there really a monster under my bed? Is there really someone, or some group of someones, out to get me? Is the world for me or against me? Is my happiness in my hands, or the hands of others? Is everyone a potential enemy or a potential friend? Is life really worth living, or should I just give up, right now, because the cards are stacked against me, as they are against all others? Or shall I call the dealer's bluff, lay down my cards, take my losses or winnings, and move to another table? Or stop playing games entirely? So many questions... Can anyone be said to have the answers? For the record, I have not said anything against learning self-defense. I just decided that for me, carrying around a knife was like asking for trouble. But I would be right there with you, in a Krav Maga class, should I find one and the finances to pay for it. There is nothing wrong with preparation and self-defense training! But expecting trouble that you have to be prepared for or defend yourself against will certainly bring it!

I'm right in the thick of the adult-men-yelling-at-each-other-over-air-pressure-in-balls storm and it's been a nightmare for literally six months straight. Everywhere you turn. Sometimes it feels like I'm in a strange dream. On a more serious note, the positive newspapers going out of business is scary, but what's more scary is if you're one that believes that people seek out reflections of what they feel inside...

Well, there was another explosion in another plant on Monday, US time, or Tuesday in China time. Regardless, in the dream, I didn't see an explosion, which is a good thing. It was me convincing these drones that there were no explosions. Not sure what that meant. Is possible that all the security measures employed by the Chinese govt before the parade may have prevented another disaster. It was a good show. Unfortunately, some of the foreign troops there...they looked horrible and a sorry sight.

They're real and they're powerful. Isis is selling the dream of Islamic utopia. A message that resonates for millions of disenfranchised young who see poverty and corruption everywhere. Course there ideology justifies slavery and mass murder of just about everyone else but nothings perfect. I think they're protected by fact the big powers finally see the area as a powder keg that blows up in the face of invading armies. Countries with powerful modern tech (and tanks) have gotten burned there and are suffering Middle Eastern exhaust, doesn't hurt that oils prices are low too. Still if ISIS gains enough power, that'll change. The Caliph's days are as numbered as Osama Bin Laden's were. Even less. Once he goes the movement may splinter. Either way it'll provide new impetus for a major attack against them, and if the Western powers aren't up for it, then it'll be a coalition of the many enemies Daesh has made. And that might be a good thing. A unifier. We will see.

You sure dream some beautiful dreams at times. You must live on a different planet than I do. There is crime on my planet. And no, it is not because of fear that I defend what is mine. It is simply because it is mine. You nor any one else can have it unless I give it willingly. But you go ahead with your unlimited love. I will stick with being cautious.

Hi ChiForce,thankyou for your dream story. Talking to drones? Just ignore them. Dreams are residual thoughts from being awake. Let them go. There is a loop forming if you dwell on them. Spending your time analysing a dream which is related to the day before. There is suggestion of meaning in dreams,if you can work that one out,please tell. Life is now,live it now,night dreams,day dreams,all escape the now. Please enjoy your life now ChiForce.

I just read a little on Anima Mundi and Jung. I understand about the Dao (or Lord) being at the center, but with no circumference. The fractal connection is really strange in your dream. I see now the connection with the fractals. In your understanding, when this philosophy refers to Christ hovering above the fractal world, is this within a Christian setting? (I assume not as you're posting within Esoteric / Occult) But does this refer to the Christ Consciousness within us all, just waiting to be found? Is there that analogy in the archetype?

It's almost like the black and violet waters were the void, out of which the forms coalesced. Your time-experience was greatly speeded up, almost as though time were removed from the picture and you were granted the visual confirmation that all forms are similar to fractals in that all form is illusion. Your 3 light thing sounded like the pointer in a Ouija game when I first read it. But do you think it has to do with the trinity (assuming you had a Christian upbringing as I did?); or even the fact that there is a rearrangement of the positions of the lights, which could be an inference that there are any number of combinations (or religious thought, or philosophies, or life conditions) that will take us to freedom or enlightenment and loss of structure? The fact that the combinations would control what was happening below the surface of the depths; as above, so below? What was the name you awoke to? Anything pertinent to you? It didn't sound to me that the abyss was the focal emotional point of your dream, or was it? Your analysis goes beyond my field of understanding, when you refer to Thelma and jAnima Mundi. But what a wonderful dream, to match your imagination - if you're the one that did the fractal-like painting in your avatar. If that was you, I can see where you dream in fractals. Fractals are important to you?

Had a strange dream, infinite black and violet waters, as soon as a form would coalesce, it would shatter into fractals of itself, moving so quickly that my reasoning faculties could not lay hold of what I was witnessing, then without notice, three lights appear hovering above the waters, a transparent impression of a triangle, almost UFO like in quality, in fact all of this is more of witnessing a state, or process rather than anything solid, now what this triangle would do is keep the coalescing forms together, selecting and choosing, controlling what would appear on the surface of the depths, the trinity of lights would switch positions, different combinations, different forms correspond to the position of the lights. I awoke to a name, silence at 2am, void, then a slight wind strikes the wind chimes outside, it is the most melodious sound. Was I granted a vision of the abyss? Is the feared abyss of modern Thelema influenced western occultism the Anima Mundi herself, upon which the spirit of the Lord hovers, that is the Supernal Triad, the triangle wherein the eye emerges, and is this is a process that is continuously occurring, and we on earth only bear witness to a fraction of what stretches infinitely in all directions, beyond direction and time.

besides, neither of us make economic policy do we? it's just banter on my part but a poor boy can dream, right?

In the dream, I sensed no anxieties. I would call it the dream of clarity in which I am just receiving information. One thing that annoyed the crap out of me is that I was the center of the drone's attentions.. I was about to attack these drones. Then, I stopped like I have realized the message they were holding. These drones appear as light in my dream. Seeing light in dreams can be a good thing especially for cultivator. Is the nimitta light being manifested and transformed. Normally, I won't worry but 1 month ago, in the dream, I saw myself volunteering to be an EMS worker driving the ambulance. There was a time frame for that too...supposedly around early Sept. There are several world events that I am deeply following....the Ukrainian crisis with Russia. Long story...I was experiencing precognitive visions dealing with the crisis and even up to the burning of the Odessa building and killing over 100 people there. Whatever it is, there drones were drawn to me because there was an explosion. Was I being exploded? Didn't sense any energy surge in me and my mind was calm. In the dream, I treated the idea of explosion very literally too.

Other peoples interpretations is less important then your own. Sometimes you reduce the storyline into possible symbolic/mythologic images and go from there. Though it'd be interesting to know if Dan or China town had a specific connection or meaning to you. What else.. 4 is an unlucky number in Chinese, sounding like death. If the week starts on Sunday then Wednesday is the 4rth day.. Dan means next step or stage in Chinese. Death also means change.. ya da yada.. Otherwise it could be an ordinary anxiety dream that people pretty often. A mish mash of troubling things occurring in there day or in the news that are symbolically rehashed in the night.

There's alot of relative inexpensive books (I like The Tibetan Yogas of Dream & Sleep by Tenzin Rinpoche), sites and papers out there. Thing is, dreamwork is a tricky practice. Some seem to have a big leg up with inborn skill, for the rest it takes very strong intent over quite a while. I'd agree that more money does not guarantee better instruction or material. You may want to look into the less guru-ish takes on dreamwork. Its all about finding the approach that connects, and sticking with it. One person said in dreamwork there is no technique, there is only intent.

I had a very interesting vision this morning. It started out with me being told that there is a licensed Chinese fortune teller doing his business in the NYC Chinatown area. His business hour is Wednesday and he is done by 4 something pm. His name is Dan something. It has something to do with Frankfurt or Frankfurter. I didn't see him. Then, I found myself meditating at the nearby parking garage. Then, I noticed a bright bean of light shinning at me at a distance. Behold, it was a drone. It came to check me out because it detected an explosion in the area. Later, I have more drones surrounding me. I really didn't want to attract too much attentions. In order to disperse these drones, I had to convince them that there were no explosions because there were no wreckage on the ground. What do I have here? A Chinatown, something I don't normally dream of myself to be in. A fortune teller talks about the number 4. In Cantonese, number 4 is synonymous to death. His business hour is Wednesday. Drones connecting to an explosion. Me defusing these drones by telling them that there are no explosions. What else could this mean? Me, myself, having an explosion???

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Might work in a low tech 2nd or third world country. But if you want technology, electricity and modern commerce you need roads, power plants, $$ commitment to education, police to protect within, and sadly an army to protect from outside. Do you have any country that'd you'd want to emulate? Or is a place like Haiti the closest to your dream? Little government, low taxes..

I still haven't able to lucid dream effectively, so I'll make an effort to do it again. I've been wanting to do properly for years but it hasn't happened till now. What I wanted to do originally was lucid dream and astral travel at will, whenever I want. That was years ago. Meditation helps with this, I'm certainly sure of it but meditation also makes me completely aloof as I have mentioned before because it dissolves the self very effectively. So being aloof is kind of detrimental right now, you know? I need to work, have goals and do stuff but when I'm meditating, I just want to do the bare minimum and be completely secluded from everyone. Yeah, I've lucid dreamed a few times and astral projected but the problem was excessive ejaculation. That's why I didn't have the motivation to accomplish them. But as of now, I think I can do both if I put in the effort and can have fun. So that's going to be my practice. To lucid dream and then astral projection.

As you know better than most Karl, I am extremely fortunate to live a dream to live my RnD passions as a gift to improve air quality for all earth bound living beings. No matter what 'misfortune' (because 1st world misfortunes are 3rd world fantasy), I would remain unable to suffer without consensually forfeiting realization of mindfulness to instead choose to trade it for the illusion of being a victim of my own mind to suffer. At some point it becomes a question of at which point do you choose to stop recognizing your thoughts are exclusively your domain. I wouldn't claim to rule out anything, but it seems extremely unlikely to choose to return to delusion after self-realization. If someone had merely told me I could only suffer my own minds choice to experience suffering, that awareness could be lost easily because it wasn't my awareness, it was my interpretation of someone else's realization. If one self-realizes Truth of the nature of reality, it would take choosing to not recognize reality and instead choose a path of self-delusion to suffer. Not impossible, but improbable if one chooses to continue to value compassion (Love-thought rather than fear-thought.) No matter what circumstances may or may not arrive, you don't have to face anything more than this one moment of Now that encompasses our human experience. I don't know if I could burn alive in Nirvana right now, as I've never tried it. I do realize if one is going to burn alive, it would be particularly compassionate to choose awareness of perfect mindfulness during the experience, and pointless self-torture not to. With Unlimited Love, -Bud

There is no objective condition that evokes suffering on a being, aside from the being choosing to believe they are experiencing suffering, and then override perception of Now with this inherently self-imposed delusion. Humans are taught to suffer, and impose it upon themselves to whatever extent they choose, completely irregardless of outside conditions. Someones "worst day" is someone else's ultimate dream fantasy life day, the difference is in the choice of perception. Suffering concludes in proportion to ones realization of mindfulness and compassion. Complete mindfulness, complete compassion (which is inherently a fearless state) can not suffer. Humans don't need some amazing new process or technology or some profound wisdom to not suffer. Just stopping choosing to suffer ones own delusions, and instead embracing perception of Now is more than adequate. Not suffering, and choosing to experience unbreakable peace doesn't require any outside resources or help, or even waiting until tomorrow. It is a gift you can give yourself through realization of mindfulness Now. These are the first low hanging fruits to pick to begin a path towards self-awareness and then awareness. Think less of finding a specific practice or teacher or book of wisdom, and more about removing the delusions you were choosing to replace perception of Now. Nirvana is already inside you waiting to be perceived, it only costs laying down your burdens of delusions to accept the gift that was always there waiting for you. With Unlimited Love, -Bud

looks like an interesting site for pursuing/exploring Dream work http://www.awakeacademy.org/

Ultimately Going Beyond All Paths "The Four Noble Truths definitely exist on the relative level. Since conventional reality forms a huge part of our experience, it is necessary for us to fully understand these precious truths. We can highlight them using the metaphor of sickness. To begin, we can say the First Noble Truth diagnoses a disease. As we all know, if we want to cure a disease, we must discover its cause. This is outlined in the Second Noble Truth. Once we know the cause of a disease, our doctor can prescribe effective treatment. Here, the Buddha is the doctor prescribing the path of Dharma, the Fourth Noble Truth. This is like the medicine that will bring us to a state of complete health, or cessation, described in the Third Noble Truth. That is the relative level. On the absolute level, the Four Noble Truths have no inherent existence—they are all based on great emptiness. Having thus pronounced the emptiness of both the ground and path, Avalokiteshvara arrives at the fruition or goal of practice: transcendent wisdom. This, too, is empty of inherent existence. “...no wisdom, no attainment, and no non-attainment. Therefore, Shariputra, since bodhisattvas have nothing to attain, they abide in reliance upon the prajna paramita. Without obscurations of mind, they have no fear. Completely transcending false views, they go to the ultimate of nirvana.” Many practitioners reach a stage of realization in which they are still subtly attached to the state of wisdom itself. But to be truly free, it is important for them to cut through all dualistic conceptions, including those of “wisdom and ignorance,” “gaining and losing,” and “attaining enlightenment.” The ultimate view is therefore expressed philosophically as “neither ground, path, and fruition, nor no ground, no path, and no fruition.” We must try to understand this crucial point. Both samsara and nirvana are in the single state of great emptiness. Once more, this emptiness does not describe just one part of reality—it is the true nature of every phenomenon, be it related with samsara or nirvana. There is absolutely nothing we can grab ahold of and cling to forever. For this reason, we need to be brave when it comes to the true nature, but it takes time to build up our understanding and courage. If we think, “Oh, reality can’t be like that,” it means we are hesitating because we are deeply frightened of the true nature. By cultivating vajra bravery, however, we can reach the stage of experiencing total equanimity in all situations. At that point, there is neither hope nor fear, neither demons nor gods. This is the ultimate level of fearlessness. On the reality level, we exist in the same way a reflection of the moon in water exists. We experience in the same way a sleeping person experiences his or her dreams. In essence, whether we presently struggle through our dreams or enjoy them, we assume that what is happening is real and true in the absolute sense. Yet our reality is only true within the context of dreaming. When we awaken, where do our dreams go? The people, trees, and mountains we experienced were just illusions rooted in emptiness. The dream state we have just described is actually very close to our everyday waking state. When we get up in the morning, we tend to think we have awakened from an insubstantial dream into a more substantial and true “reality,” but in fact we have simply shifted from one dreamlike state to another. All of our waking perceptions are merely the results of mental habits and karmic patterns accumulated throughout an infinite series of our previous lifetimes. Since these habits are so deeply ingrained, it can be terrifying when we are shaken from the illusory security they offer. We are afraid to see things differently, and we must give up a lot of our dualistic notions to do so. Nonetheless, when we succeed in changing our old habit patterns, our experiences and perceptions will have a greater dimensionality, understanding, and clarity." ~ Venerable Khenpo Rinpoches Ceaseless Echoes of the Great Silence (pgs 51-53)

what.. how can Saturn be evil?? its got a halo around it . While there are lessons to be learned in the bible and Roman myths, I think its a mistake to take them literally. You're bound to pick, choose and twist whatever meanings you want out of them. They become a projection on how you want the world to be. And many dream of being a heroic prophet and saviour. Proudly telling the world, Beware Saturn the source of all evil. To me, he had a bad vibe, Evil Everywhere. Its in the air, in the print.. like Elvis- its in the sausage. Like any preconception look hard enough for your obsession and you will see it everywhere; its the lense you see the world out of and a virus in your mind. Most of us have them, but when they're based on something so negative, it gives a certain energy and heat, but it'll also leave you scared, paranoid and burnt out.

I’ve been thinking about ego in relation to a dream I had decades ago, of a large vine growing on a pergola like structure. In the dream, I at first unhooked the vine’s tendrils from the roof of the structure, and when I had done this the structure started to lean and fall but I pushed it upright again. I take the tendrils to be the first emotional hijacker – (for me fear), and the structure to be ego, which was loosened slightly but which I quickly reinstated. I then unwound the vine’s branches from the structure, which I see as again loosening more emotional hijackers, again only to a certain level, and the structure again started to lean, and I again pushed it upright. So my ego structure was again loosened, but not enough, and quickly reinstated. Finally I came to the trunk of the vine, and it had grown up thick and entwined with the central supporting post of the structure. It was impossible to really see where the vine trunk ended and the structure started, they were so completely merged. I understand this to be my ego structure so closely entwined with my emotional hijackers such as desire and anger, and my persona, and other ways of being that I identify as ‘myself’, that it becomes almost impossible to sort out what is ego structure and what is self. In the dream I tried to prise the trunk and the structure apart, and I managed to the extent that the structure did start to lean and fall, but this time I didn’t try to push the structure back up, and as it fell the weight of the structure falling ripped apart the structure from the trunk of the vine. Then everything fell down, the structure and the vine, both disappeared, and in its place there was a fresh young vine growing, and in this moment in the dream I realised that the structure had never supported the vine, the vine had always supported the structure. So those deepest self identifications with ego were separated out from the ego structure, and ego finally wasn’t reinstated, and in the dream I was able to see that ego only existed in its relation to my emotional hijackers and persona and ‘self’, and once sufficiently separated the ego structure became unnecessary, as did my emotional hijackers, my persona, and other self identifications, leaving the fresh young vine which I associate with my ‘true Self’ free to grow unhindered, and with no need to reinstate ego. Thinking about this dream has brought me to think that there may be no actual ego battle, but instead for me a long series of loosenings and resolutions and disengagements with the ego structure on my path, and one day a last disengagement that brings the whole structure tumbling down, and the right frame of mind to just let the ego structure keep falling in that moment.

Dream, A lot of words . According to Anadi, who has developed a nice "map" - First thing to do would be to develop constant awarness and realise it - awarness withouth mind objects. With it then you can overcome the mind and its problems of subconsciouss nature, cause you can simply track them to their roots. then you reach another thing which is all sorts of feelings which lies under the mind, and are related to different regions of the body. You no longer react with thoughts, but still there are this feelings/sensations that different situations still trigger. At this point you see clearly that you are also made of this emotions, and not only painfull, cause there is also excitement, pleasure, greef... Almost unnotacible feelings and they are almost impossible to notice with accompaniament of the mind. Prior to that I would say that yoga purify it really good. One monk has also reccomended me once TRE exercises which work really good for this Pain body withouth the mind effort to find out...