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yes, mostly what the venus project and zeitgeist movement is doing is getting people out of perpetual denial. other than that, if one person had a magical blueprint to solve every problem in society, pretty sure he would not stay out there for long, like many inventors, people who challenged the status quo, or just became too important of a person, promoting free thinking. so you have a society where people are expected to act on someone else's created ideals. doesnt matter if they have a good cause or a bad cause. heck, there are even cases where people get arrested for locally growing and selling organic food. talk about a threat. majority of people are unaware. a fully conscious individual does not dream anymore, even when sleeping, his etheric body is fully awake and active. on another note, yes, working towards a solution is always applauded, but the question is, how will you get it to other people, and how will you bypass the current institutions limitations for benefitting others that is well and right if you discover groundbreaking things, if there is no audience to accept it, it soon bleaks into darkness, just because people were not yet ready for it and this is exactly what the big mean machine wants. wants you to focus on individual goals, profit making, keeping secrets, using others for selfish gain etc. the power is in numbers. thougths have power, emotions have even bigger no matter if you take the most advanced qigong master, against millions of people - it is obsolete

Well, thats because they dont exist ... if they reside in the unconscious, and we can just remove that with a declaration .... poof! ... gone ! I disagree with Freud psychology then. IT can be. as you stated, but in many cases of psychological 'aberration' the ego is unable to reconcile, they can be impelled by the forces of the ID and little regulation is available (without some therapy) . Anyway, thats a simplified outline, the rest might be a little too deep for a thread that postulates one can just get rid of the whole concept by denial of its existence. If I said that, I should change it. I believe they are accessible ; dream, symbolism and related imagery, therapy, etc. Good advice, it would do well to follow it. All I would add is in regard to this : " downplaying the unconscious or subconscious mind which is dangerous (as it doesn't appreciate being downplayed). " Indeed it does not ! And if anyone thought a kid that isnt getting enough attention is a problem ... just wait until this puppy wakes up ! ( Patrick Harpur has great writings on this 'ignored' or denied concept of the 'soul' {with an intimately linked function in the unconscious) and what can happen when its processes are not acknowledged )

Un is not and sub is under. The Unconscious is a psychological term developed by Freud and further developed by Jung ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind Subconscious is a modern misnomer and could mean 'that which is just below the surface' - of consciousness; perhaps we could call it the 'preconscious' ? So, as a 'made up pop term' I suppose it can mean whatever you want it to mean. It is a is a term "never used in psychoanalytic writings". There is no the subconscious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subconscious It would seem one can be partly consciously aware of sub conscious processes, but not, by definition of the unconscious processes ... although we are aware of 'the unconscious. mind' itself. What? Explain the experience or the unconscious mind ? The definition is above and there are many writings on it on the internet. Perhaps a relevant observation here is that many say the language of the unconscious is symbolism and its enactment is myth. One of its functions could be the 'sorting ground' for the forces in the psyche; the Id and Superego and the delivery of the results (in choice and behaviour decisions) to the conscious ego. Can we ? Why ? It seems obvious that people can loose consciousness. I dont know why you assert we do not ? ? ? Then the issue of changing consciousness - thats something totally different ... your question seems obscure, not sure what you mean? I think that is even more obscure. Why is consciousness dependant on not experiencing their body (whatever that means ? ) ? Surely consciousness is all about being aware of being conscious .... self awareness. And why would 'unconscious' mean 'physical body sleep' ? When we are asleep and dream, actions, reactions, choices, hopes and fears, morals, etc can all apply, sometimes we make choices and sometimes we are 'impelled' to do things in dreams. Thats a type of consciousness - we can make a decision in a dream. What about it ? A conscious awareness of subtle bodies , whatever you mean by that, doesnt negate the operations of the unconscious. Not really, you seem confused and your wording is obscure. To God-realised individuals there is an unconscious mind. see ... its easy anyone can just write a statement . It doesnt make a point though. Ummm ... I suppose anything one is not 'conscious of' - one is 'unconscious off' . Are you still referring to 'God-realised ' ... if you are going to use that term along with 'unconscious' ... the better term might be 'superego' . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego yes, you can penetrate parts of the unconscious, but then, by definition, those parts are not the unconscious any more . Say you are having a behavioural problem , you cant ride in an elevator. You dont know why, you just cant, and if you try you get actual physical symptoms that stop you. You go to a psychologist and they help you to see into ( shine light, if you like), unconscious motivations and impelling forces. Now the reasons and influences are conscious and maybe you can now find a way to resolve the issue and allow you to travel in an elevator. But the fact of being aware of that 'node' in the unconscious has made that part conscious. Not that you have become aware of the whole of the unconscious mind. Most of the time your breathing is unconscious, unless you do breathing exercises, pranayama or the system is stressed. Falling into unconscious ( that means you still are holding a vestige of consciousness) isnt always darkness IMO ... I have had a bright flash and stars ... and thats it. Unconsciousness itself isnt 'feels like' ... it doesnt have a feeling or awareness, yes, it is void of conscious perception so when you are in it, you cant have a feeling about it ... although you may feel darkness as you approach it. . There is a difference though between ' unconsciousness' and 'the unconscious' , maybe thats what some of the confusion is about ( I probably contributed to that ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconsciousness

This thread is spinning off my "Tarot as a System of Metaphysical Philosophy" thread, where I started a conversation with Mandrake that I took the liberty to transliterate here. As I was asked to go into certain specifics that might break up the original thread which is of a more general kind. That's cool with me. May I ask you why this topic particularly interests you? I shuffled the cards, then fanned them out for the querent to draw the required number by their left hand (the one that connects to the heart or, in more modern terms, to the right cerebral hemisphere) - a very common method. However, especially for therapeutic application, I think it's advantageous that the querent selects the cards by themselves, so they would identify with their message more readily. I then laid them out using whatever spread would seem most appropriate regarding the query. Ranging from the good old Celtic Cross to relationship and decision spreads. If you want me to demonstrate some of my favourite spreads, just ask... This could conceivably be a problem especially for OCD types doing Tarot on their own. It's also typical for excited beginners (at least they get to know the cards fairly quickly this way). If the readings are supervised by a sensible counsellor, this is hardly an issue. Cut to the core of a problem immediately. Much like a well interpreted dream might, but available any time on purpose. I remember that psychiatrist I was collaborating with once looking at one of my spreads, then exclaiming: "This one card here is worth a whole psychotherapy!" Furthermore, he was convinced that Tarot can outline the way for a patient to progress in a straightforward manner. Also, I would highlight that a card image or a certain symbol on it can assume a particular meaning for the querent, which they can take away from the reading and think of when the need arises. Lastly, using Tarot offers a playful approach to psychological problems that is quite in tune with the childlike nature of the unconscious mind which is very receptive to its archetypal symbolism. All the more due to the impression that a spot on revelation based on a seemingly random process leaves. You are very welcome. It's fun for me too to think back to those Golden days... <sighs>

What you're describing as a dynamic is a good point. I call this the "trajectory of tantric technology." So you say that the concept of "light workers" is enforcing change on people while the truly enlightened masters have no interest in doing so. Ramana Maharshi made the comment that while there are truly enlightened masters hidden in the Himalayas the karma of energy on Earth is so low right now that none of these masters can really change anything. In fact - to be a truly enlightened master requires such isolation to achieve the results. For example Ramana Maharshi refused to see his mother for when he remained in isolation at the ashram for 9 years - in samadhi - only eating a small bit fed to him by someone else. So the thing is that anyone doing energy training to increase the "frequency" of their energy will have to take into account all the environmental factors of other people or energy sources pulling their energy back down. As per the "tantra trajectory" - the energy training is based on complementary opposites and so if someone is storing up their energy the more they do so then the more others will be attracted to that energy and want to take the energy - even if their attraction is not fully understood on their own level. So the "trajectory of tantric technology" means that western modern technology is actually a projection of repressed life force energy - but since it is repressed it is repressed based on a left-brain dominant inaccurate definition of infinite, a contained geometric materialism. And so the more the technology is developed as a projection then the more it inherently oppresses life on Earth. It does so as the guise of "liberation" and "freedom" but what is actually happening is instead a "separation of heaven (upper body) and earth (lower body) instead of a harmony of heaven and earth as per the real energy training. So with the separation of heaven and earth, again the left brain is dominant for right hand technology which uses iron (the element metal) as passion projected as per the traditional understanding of the elements. This then transforms the water of earth into silica desert which is used via desertification and toxic waste for the metal to take over as machine intelligence and it is done so through fire (solar dynasty heart energy). So water is the pivot point and therefore it is being used up as the leverage energy and water is governed by the lunar female energy. So when I say by doing qigong training we can learn to create water from the Emptiness directly that means by resonating with the lunar cycle we create enough yin qi energy to go into the solar energy properly as harmonic energy so that it resonates into the Cosmic Mother as the Emptiness properly. There's no way that the human masses are going to learn to do this. Humans as a culture did all train to do this as the original human culture for 90% of human history - the Bushmen culture originating as the Sandawe. This is completely ignored and unknown by the human masses too caught up the technocracy. A great new expose on the technocracy is by Julian Assange exposing the seemingly benign Google as really a military company working closely for expanding U.S. imperialism - really a mass-mind control project. http://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-279447 here So some seeming technocracy project is really Google in action, in league with the NSA, dutifully recording and processing all the self-reporting details of the world - and to what end - to properly leverage and channel that information for imperial elite interests. All under the guise of free information exchange for the most efficient use of technological development. Again, in actuality, there is a built in "diminishing rate of return" on technology due to the foundation of inaccurate infinity that it is based on. You want to say that maybe our past has been contrived and that some enlightened masters have recreated life on Earth for us. This reminds me of the qigong master telling me that God is creating new species on Earth right now and so we don't have to be concerned about the ecological crisis. In actuality these types of fantasies are just projections of the techno-fix mentality - the "commodity fetish" that is driven by a desire for materialistic control over Earth. The origins of modern technology are precisely with these Solar Dynasty ritual priests as alchemists who believed they could "contain" infinity within their bodies by storing up their energy. In the original human culture the purpose of energy training was to heal the females and to have harmonic relations with the environment for the safety of the community and better hunting, etc. If a person was "hoarding their n/om" (the boiling energy in the lower tan tien) this was considered a big wrong use of the energy. But what happened is that some of the energy masters did isolate themselves from the rest of the community in order to build up their energy further so they could master the "yang shen" level - the ability for physical transformations. And so the rest of the humans became afraid of these high level masters. But at first if the energy masters were leaving their body too much to travel into heaven - the females would throw water on the male energy masters - water to bring the masters back to their bodies and so the masters could focus on healing the females and not just on their own build up of power. And so while it is easy to dismiss physical reality as a possible illusion - maybe it was recreated in the past by former masters you say - or as another qigong master said maybe God is recreating ecology now for us - this is in actuality an excuse to avoid the needed focus on "harmony of heaven and earth" as a job of ecological sustainability in present times. I'm not saying that anyone can achieve ecological sustainability in present times but that we should at least be honest about what the current role of modern technology is for life on Earth. It is unfortunate that scientists try to report these developments but the political elite have censored them and even changed their words around to change the meanings - not to mention the attacks on ecological activists and social justice activists who are non-violent. For the billions on Earth of humans living in terrible conditions they do so precisely because of the genocidal policies of the elite stealing the resources of the poor as a process of "primitive accumulation." And then these people take to violence as a last attempt for self-defense and so immediately can then be outed as terrorists or guerrillas or communists, parasites, etc. so that the final solution can be implemented against them. But Mother Nature is just as powerful as all these technologies - and so the viruses and bacteria will continue to adapt and over-rule humans - and whatever other catastrophes will kick in - supervolcanos like with Mount Toba that reduced the whole human population to a few thousand back 70,000 years ago - or whatever. Ecology will develop again as there has been life on Earth for billions of years - the dominant species was the Gorgon, 200 million years ago - a large reptilian lion like animal that needed a lot of oxygen. The Troodon was the biggest brain dinosaur, about the size of human, also needing more oxygen. It may be that this oxygen intake that "burns" up food is key to the ionization process - as chi energy neutralizes free radicals and the chi energy is taken up by the Earth energy via grounding - an internal tingling is felt that activates the parasympathetic nervous system. And so the heart frequency of the REM dreaming visionary state is resonating with the Schumann frequency of the Earth-ionosphere lightning energy. Gurdjieff stated that if life on Earth does not respect and help the Moon grow spiritually then the Moon will destroy all life on Earth and ecology will start over again. This is the lunar force governing life through the water cycle on Earth - and so it is the quasi-crystal state of water that has been revealed as a sonofusion energy, an acoustic cavitation via ultrasound that creates then a hotter than the sun laser energy for alchemical transmutations. The inner ear of modern humans is activated by the vagus nerve and connects to the third eye pineal gland as the theta REM visionary state - but the inner ear used to be the jaw bone of our ancestors when we lived in trees - as tree shrews. And so the inner ear activated by inner sound infinite energy focus - as a listening process - is the secret of the "inner smile" activation of the third eye energy. And so then the holographic visionary dream state reality is actually a 2-dimensional energy that bypasses the fake 3-D bifocal vision focus of the materialistic "containment" of infinity by us modern humans. We originated in forests where listening was the dominant perception but as modern humans developed in the savannah we began to be dependent on the depth perception from the bifocal vision of the two eyes, forgetting that the inner ear jaw bone of our forest origins activates the third eye visionary energy. And so it is not that some previous enlightened shamans recreated life on Earth or that God is recreating ecology in rapid time right now - but rather there is an impersonal infinite process of harmony of lunar/earth/solar energy that is eternally being activated here. We lost touch with it but the destruction of ecology and social harmony on Earth is actually an impersonal cycling of the elements that we are just a part of - in terms of a great energy dynamic. What remains consistent in the whole process is precisely this larger cycling of energy and energy creation - as the formless impersonal dynamic of complementary opposites from the Cosmic Mother or the Emptiness as the Wu Chi - it is inherently female as the water element is inherently the lunar pivot that resonates from its source, the first materialistic manifestation of the infinite consciousness-energy that can not be seen. It can only be listened to - and so as Ramana Maharshi said - it is Mouna Samadhi - it can not be a vision in spacetime at all. Instead of each human facing this truth existentially through our deaths and our energy training that transcends death - humanity as a whole is now facing it but the deeper truth has long since been buried in our distant path.

While I agree with the sentiment that being and working through our energetic being is the most fundamental thing, I feel that this can't happen on a grand scale unless we remove the need for... well "need". Like, for example, if we train qigong to never need to eat at all, how do you think that will change the psyche of the people doing it? Will they continue a freedom fight when they have realized that the freedom that they are fighting for has already entered their beings? This is why I look at arguments like, "If there are ascended masters, why aren't they helping everyone?" For what reason would they? They have attained a perspective that perhaps far supersedes a need to enforce "enlightenment" on people, which is where current "lightworkers" stand in the general community of such people. For all I know, the Earth has been destroyed countless times, only to have a Toaist Wizard, a Hindu siddha, a Native American dream shaman, a European Rune master, or an African witch doctor reform the prior existence as if nothing happened. Would you or I have any clue that happened? Nope, and yet people who are not at that level, even if they have read and studied systems that hold that potential, are stuck in "freedom-fight" or "save-the-world" modes, completely ignoring that this is the potential afforded to human beings. Despite us here practicing Qigong, Yoga, or other systems of primordial advancement, we are still in a mode of dependence on things that, if we just attained the heights of these systems ourselves, would completely lose their importance to us. What need is there for government in a human race that has realized it's primordial self in a tangible, consistent way? So I do agree that cultivating the awareness and use of our infinite primordial being is indeed the way. However, I would add that if that is the case, then a lot of things that we have come to depend on will drop into obscurity, if not being completely eradicated from our personal life templates.

You've been living in a dream world, Neo.

There was a short silence, Lao Tzu said nothing so Chuang Tzu continued: Perfect Knowledge Sees All In One Perfect knowledge sees all in One. Small knowledge breaks down into the many. When the body sleeps without dream, the soul is enfolded in One. When the body wakes, the senses begin to function. They resound with every encounter with all the varied business of life, the strivings of the heart; men are blocked, perplexed, lost in doubt. Little fears eat away their peace of heart. Great fears swallow them whole. Arrows shot at a target. Hit and miss, right and wrong; that is what men call judgement, decision. Their pronouncements are as final as treaties between emperors. Out of their crooked mouths, words are retched up like vomit. O, they make their point! Yet their arguments fall faster and feebler than dead leaves in autumn and winter. Their words flow out like piss, never to be recovered. They stand at last, blocked, bound, and gagged, choked up like old drain pipes. The mind fails. It shall not see light again. Pleasure and rage, sadness and joy, hopes and regrets, change and stability, weakness and decision, impatience and sloth; all are sounds from the same flute, all mushroom from the same wet mold. Day and night follow one another and come upon us without our seeing how they sprout! Enough! Enough! Early and late we meet the “that” from which “these” all grow! If there were no “that” there would be no “this.” If there were no “this” there would be nothing for all these winds to play on. So far we can go, but how shall we understand what brings it about? One may well suppose a True Governor to be behind it all. That such a power works I can believe. I cannot see it’s form. It acts but has no form.

There's a lot of perspectives to it, and while some things can go one way, I can say that these things are not written in stone by any stretch of the means. I mean, when it comes to rich people, the ones I know rarely give two fucks about being spiritual hahaha, although to be honest I would consider them more "spiritual" than most just because they tend to be a lot more honest than normal people. I've started to hate the word spiritual, because there's so many ridiculous archetypes around it that it honestly gets in the way of what the experience of your primordial self can be. So while I don't see them being "spiritual", they might just be more advanced because there's a degree of self-awareness that doesn't happen with normal human interaction. The reason I am not a fan of pop-"spirituality" is because it is something that is little better than masturbating in front of porn. Like, in comparing it to mass murder, on the surface the yoga craze seems like a better alternative. However, the very fact that people are spending their time doing insubstantial things like that, sitting around emulating their idea of a Yogi without even knowing what they are doing... this energy that they put into that allows for this mass-murder to go down. This is especially the case in the US, where the people doing this pop-yoga are residents and monetary supporters of the country doing a high percentage of the global mass murder. These same types are also likely to be "protestors", hating on companies like Monsanto. But instead of learning things that would make Monsanto powerless like growing one's own food, they're doing "Yoga"... for real?? Now I won't hate on the folks facilitating the yoga craze, these guys are genius!! But to me it reflects what has been the case for humans throughout history: individuals lacking the ability to explore and push things based on their own investigation. Anyone with half an ounce of personal trust in themselves would easily find that modernized yoga calisthenics is quite a bit empty in comparison to traditional practice. Yet, cats are following the craze, without giving a damn, because some cute female in tight pants is doing something that looks like ballet. Throw in some "spiritual" music, maybe a beach or a waterfall in the background, and for some added measure, throw in some accolades that sound important... boom. It's not that hard to do, and it's been going down for as long a humans have been alive. So for me, the fact that people are doing such insubstantial things is directly related to the mass murder. Governments are doing it by themselves, they get their money, manpower, and consent from the people they govern. Hell, if folks really wanted to protest, just don't go to work for a week. Just do that, and the entire system would shut down. But that's just too easy, and the idea that we could solve all our problems that simply... it's too hard for folks to jar outta that. So they do "yoga", and they can say to themselves "I did something important", not even knowing what it is they even did. Someone else told them the yoga was important... I know so many pop-yogis who can do all these poses, and yet with all that practice, I can reach that level in a week. I mean... I can't get what that hahaha. That's goofy to me, and I would rather recommend gettin' drunk at the club than putting in all that work for nothing. As for siddhis... again, it's really about perspective. In my mind, the idea of selflessness is a pipe-dream and equally reflects the separation paradigm that people live in. I point out that Yoga is a Hindu-based philosophy, though people can use the techniques for other things. Nevertheless, philosophies that we see from Indian Yoga are based on Hindu ideals, and as such, their is religious influence that is specific to those ideals. As such, there was this entire idea of not being "selfish", doing good will to others and never thinking of the self. But who dictates the good will, and why do these things for others? The reasons for these acts are completely selfish, and the ideology comes from things dictated by the self or prioritized by the ideals of the self. Erasing bad karma... slefish. Unifying with "The One"... selfish. Eradicating ego... selfish and UBER-egotistical. I mean I can't think of a more egotistical ideal than eradicating ego... "I will ascend so far beyond worldly constraints, that I will annihilate y own self-identity." How high on yourself do you gotta be to think something like that hahaha?!?!?! I'm not knocking that, I think it's awesome. But as for it being "holy" "Noble" or more "enlightened" than hittin' a bong... can't say that it is. And it shouldn't have to be, we are talking about an essential nature that is limitless. Even the idea of responsibility... who are you being responsible for? Who says you have to clean up the energy around you, and who says that your idea of clean is actually what "clean" is? A lot of my friends used to always tell me that I should be a motivational speaker, a preacher, a teacher. They said this because they said I was smart and that I could express myself well vocally. So I felt that with that skill, I should be "helping" people out, because I had a way of speaking to people that no one else could. However, I noticed that this "power", when I focused on others, somehow always created worse situations when I actually used it to try and "help" my friends. My critical nature, no matter how sweet it was delivered, got people pissed, angry, and hostile, all because I was trying to help them change. And they would ask me to do it... "Enoch, you like my best friend dawg. I can't even tell my fam'ly dis shit, na'mean? You like my mentor bro." Some people flat-out told me to help them in that way, and yet... When turned on myself, however, I realized so much that I changed a multitude of things. If I tried "helping others" with it, there was always a great deal of contention that often led to both the person and myself being worse off than before. But when I could turn my powers of expression, thought, criticism, and investigation on myself... my ability to help others became natural. I didn't even know i helped folks, but I did. Now this power is something that normal humans can attain, and yet most don't. However, more importantly, it's no lesser a power that flying, becoming invisible, or anything of that nature. So how is it that using these powers for yourself is "bad"? These are ideals based on observations that were realized by humans who, despite being capable, still had a ridiculous amount of faults. Should people use their abilities wisely? Yes, that is without question. But there is literally no difference between using the power of walking dumb and using the power of mind control dumb. It might be a bit easier to cause perceived mass problems with a siddhi, but walking can cause a mass problem itself. If you walk out onto a busy street in the middle of rush hour, you could cause a traffic accident of monumental proportions. I know folks with certain siddhis, and I would describe them as selfish. However, they are peaceful people, they don't show off, they naturally are a gift to folks around them, and they often don't have the hang-ups that many of us have. This includes possessing a savior complex with their abilities, because, as I was told by one of these "advanced" people (she's 89), "If you accept your own divinity, and the choices it offers you, then you have to respect others as well. They have just as much a choice as you do and did when you started your path. It would be very disrespectful to throw your path into theirs if they do not willingly invite you, even if you think they need your ideas." Even ideas of oneness... this is an idea. We aren't one, because one is a concept. What we are a "part" of transcends any concept whatsoever, even though we are unified, we are all completely sovereign. This concept cannot be reconciled by a dualistic mind, so we describe unity as being "one" and anything that is done in a sovereign manner is "separate". Yet, if this was so important, how come none of ever see all these siddhi masters coming out to "save" the world? Perhaps there's more to it than we can read or conceptualize. That last statement above also applies to me, so don't mind my ranting, I'm just talkin' my stuff. I just don't buy a lot of the archetypal ideals we come up with, because they are all part of the very "Matrix" code we are using these techniques to free ourselves from, I don't want to be a Jedi, they were extremely ineffective and we equally as war-mongering as the Sith. I want self-realization and liberation to be myself completely, and I see myself being intrinsically tied to the limitlessness. That's what I feel the point is, realizing the Complete Self, not destroying the Self. Humans just so harshly define themselves by their current consciousness, that any expansion beyond that ideal is considered "annihilation of the self". But the destruction of "self", or I should say dependence on it, gives way to living as the "Self", which is everything and nothing. It doesn't surprise me that even with my views on Yogic philosophy, that Yogis can still recognize their "Selves" with those techniques and ideas. Many others do without any of those techniques utilizing other philosophies that can sound just ad flowery and holy, or philosophies that can sound evil. At the root though... it's just some shit. No idea being more intrinsically real than another, no matter how "sound" it sounds. As the folks would say, "Just do you."

I would agree with perceiver here, many folks like talking about destroying ego, and yet don't acknowledge that the idea of destroying ego is perhaps one of the most egotistical ideals a person can think of. "I'm going to transcend so high, that I annihilate my own 'personal identity'." So that the notion of destroying ego is somehow enlightenment because it is a notion of destroying ego... a little shortsighted to say the least. However, I do feel that you (the OP) shouldn't fret too much about this. You haven't lost anything, just photos. If you want to retrieve the memories that are represented in those photos, you got a lot of options that could easily be more useful than photos. Learn to lucid dream or astral project... you wouldn't even have to rely on still-photos. You could relive the entire scenario if you wanted, and this practice in itself is often used as an "enlightenment" vehicle. You get a chance to perhaps revisit things that were traumatic, and free yourself of the trapped force that went into those things. Hell, even with "good" memories, you might find that there was something you missed in those that you could relive and release anything that might've been negative or unsavory with those experiences. It's not the end of the world, and you haven't lost anything. But it wasn't necessarily "needed" in order to transcend anything, unless that's the only way you know how. Primordial exploration favors creativity over dogmatic doctrine any day of the week .

I don't know if you've ever lived in the city, but what you are saying is a bit farfetched at best. By no circumstance are cities less racist, you just find yourself being more politically correct. Not calling someone a nigger or a spic does not mean you are not racist, it just means you don't use offensive language. But look at a city like Chicago, and it is easily one of the most naturally segregated places on Earth. Just because you go to school and work with other races or ethnicities doesn't mean you live in a less racist environment. I went to high school where at least 30% of the white students never, and I mean NEVER, went to school with anyone but white people. Now I'm not saying that's the norm, but this is something that many people would consider outrageous, especially for a person living in Chicago their whole life. But that is definitely the case, and it was so bad that a person honestly thought that I might have family members who had bones through their noses just because I was black. She honestly was confused, and not just her but several white wondered the same thing, and despite me wanting to be mad, I honestly couldn't be because there was no malice behind it. But it's still racist as hell, it's just a natural consequence of ignorance. The only places I have lived consistently, besides Champaign, IL, were cities. New York, LA, Miami... I've been to all these places and lived for over a year there. Trust me, this idea of cultural bustling, mutliculturalism, diversity... extremely surface level ideas. So what if you take a professional yoga class... man most of these classes aren't even good for covering the asanas beyond "working out". Have you been to the "spiritual" shops in these places? They're goofy as hell, but they look real chic and hip and "mystical". I have met people who were legit, but they were near hermits who could probably live anywhere and thrive. The stuff is very vibrant on the surface, but there is an extreme lack of depth that goes on in the city when it comes to things of that nature, or anything. Cities, because of their compact nature, are also extremely susceptible to groupthink, and the scrutiny that you are imagining goes down is far less powerful than you would think. Again, being a part of several of these groups, I was often kicked out because of deep scrutiny that was not "in line with the group", and it also helps to point out that many of these cultural flings that people are identifying are actually 7th or 8th attempts at something that started and died. So the depth is not very strong because what was started never had the backbone to stand right. I know all these type of people, I have lived with them, and I have had them all come to me for advice like I was "advanced". The only reason I could possibly think why a person would be asking me for advice, regardless of their skill levels being way higher in spiritual exploration, health practice, academics, is because I have naturally always spent a great deal of my time in self-reflection, while it seems to be a lost art for city dwellers. That's the problem, cities have so much shit there that people often have no time for inner reflection, which means they can't really absorb too much of all this stuff they are exposed to. Who cares about going to a museum if it has no effect on your personal being, who cares about any of that stuff beyond it being a "break" to life? This is when you get beyond the surface and get to know what people are actually thinking and feeling, and it's not healthy with city folks. Hey, I can say the same for more rural people, as Champaign had it's share of problems. But there was also a lot more space, a lot more open room to do things quietly, and if you got tired of clubbing and drinking (I went to college there), you could actually think without hearing a whole bunch of noise. You don't have as much to occupy yourself with, so if you wanted to do some spiritual investigation, and were honest about it, I have experienced that it was a lot easier when the places got more rural. Now Champaign isn't deep country, but in comparison to Chicago, it is. I also experienced more blatant racism there, but in actuality the honesty of it, rather than substituting political correctness as a sign of "progress" actually made those folks easy to be around. And despite city dwellers perhaps being more capable of mouthing off fancy language, as far as intelligence is concerned... yea dude, not very much difference at all. This is the thing, I feel that romanticism on either end, for urbanism or ruralism, has got to stop so folks can actually honestly investigate things. However, this is not easy to do if you are first and foremost honest with yourself, which is a lost art amongst human beings. So all these "save the world" solutions... they are useless with that skill. I would like to live in a cave or the wilderness, but I already know that there a high likelihood that I am severely unprepared for that. I don't know how to communicate with animals, with plants, or with the several force currents in the world. Since I don't want to make the same mistakes that people did in the past, I'm not going to mentally masturbate on that dream like, "OH, the glories of the wild!!" Right now, those glories would probably be disasters for me. I just try to do the best with what I got now, and move toward that goal despite not being in a situation I think is ideal. I also leave a LOT of room for changing my thoughts, because I am convinced that ideals are based on a person, not a situation. Like I said with those city hermits who were legit, anywhere they were was an ideal, perhaps even outer space. All these worldviews are distractions, in my mind, that keep people thinking about others rather than working on themselves.

This is a question only you can answer. You almost certainly will never learn it from another's philosophy, and while Tolle may have some techniques that are useful... try not to overanalyze something. If you got an idea, any idea, on how to do something, try it first, give it some earnest investment, and then see if it works. I cannot tell of the literal THOUSANDS of ideas I thought of in my teens that I never actually did myself. How silly do you think I felt when I came to read these various ideas and techniques in other books 5 or 6 years after I first thought it? While I respect many people who come into the arena of exploring human potential, I wouldn't let their words keep me from exploring myself how I feel. Tolle might say something that sounds true, but the question is whether or not that truth means anything to you? Just because it is a nice sounding theory doesn't mean it has anything to do with you. I mean, you said here yourself that you want a physical experience with your body... why on Earth would you care about non-dualism? I would personally disagree that love has to be balanced by hate, or in the idea that something must have it's opposite. Love is love, hate is hate, and an apple is an apple. That they seem opposite is completely based on observation, many people find themselves easily able to continuously feel good about themselves without ever having to address something like hate. But that's not the point, the point is that if you are interested in just being a physical being. why commit to teachings that would have you supersede a dualistic experience, which is the primary human paradigm of the time? But if any of us were cool with who we were right now, would we even be here? I feel it's ok to want to create something new for yourself, and it's ok to say, "Alright, I don't like this about myself. I'm going to change it." If you wake up with stinky breath, you get to the bathroom and brush your teeth. If you are musty in the armpits, you go to the shower and, perhaps, apply some deodorant liberally. If you are hungry, you eat. There's nothing wrong with that, and hell if you don't do many of these things, life turns out screwy for you. I know plenty of people who should not be in relationships because they haven't been critical enough with themselves, and they invite new children, which they birth, into a mess they didn't pay enough attention to. So how can wanting to improve be so wrong when people make ridiculous errors because they become ignorant of themselves and possible flaws? I'm not saying anything is wrong here, but rather saying that there is something you gotta find out by being true to what you feel. If you feel like you gotta approve, don't go read someone who doesn't know you and look to them as if they should have an answer to what you should do in life. Listen to yourself, and like you said, don't "put things between you and your desire". You are interested in things like Shamanic journeying, astral projection, lucid dreaming... go do those things. Don't read some philosopher who would honestly have you not pursue anything like that, why wrack your brain like that? But hell, if you want to lucid dream, or at least do it consistently, then you gotta be able to say, "I haven't garnered a skill for this before, I'm going to do it now." If you just BE, which many of us can't even get beyond our own brain to do (and I would bet Tolle is also in that group), then you shouldn't want that either. But if you honestly do, then go ahead and do that, and if you think that being in a relationship now is not a good idea, chances are it isn't. It's not really that hard, but trusting yourself is the way of "Being" that most people never get to doing. Tolle himself wouldn't have written that book if he had just "been", so you know... do you man.

This might not be something that is popular, but perhaps you might be too reliant on cultivating in a manner that does not fit you. I'm from a background where the Torah was something that was big in my life. With all the spiritual masters there, I noticed one thing that was consistent with them: they cultivated first, then built their lives upon that foundation. Abraham was the son of a deity-maker, which anyone with a background in egregores knows requires pretty skilled spiritual training. He also trained with the immortal King of Salem Melchizedek for, I don't know, 40 years, which is where he learned alchemy. The guy practically spent his whole life cultivating and trained in spiritual disciplines, which was something that got passed down from generation to generation. What I am getting at is that most people here are getting to cultivation AFTER they set up lifestyles for themselves. In the modern world, many of these foundations are very much counterproductive to the foundation principles set forth by ancient people. Problem is, the foundation of your life at the time of gaining cultivation is likely to have a strong grip on how to prioritize things. So if you got these strong priority parameters, and you try to introduce a new set of parameters that contradict the old ones... that's gonna be a pretty tough battle that can cause more strife than it solves. So that's why you see people throwing away their old lives for the sake of cultivation. Although it's been aggrandized in many forms as being "holy", there's a far more practical function that doesn't necessitate the religious aura that influences many spiritual teachings. Practically speaking, if you got your head in parameters that you constantly gotta battle in not just the mind, but also in the environment, you can really sabotage your work... at least with these old ways of cultivation. The thing is, despite all these teachings we have, the fact is that the origins of these practices came from people on roads to self-discovery who were really just making stuff up as they go along. Why do you think that one system can drastically differ from another? The world has become somewhat enamored with the East because the archetypes of holiness and spirituality are stereotypically associated with that region. So everyone who is "spiritual" is rather practicing something from Buddhism, Taoism, or Hinduism; things like Yoga, Qigong, and various meditations inspired from these regions. But there's WAY more out there than just these disciplines, and way different ways of approaching the same end that may not require holding to priorities from those cultures. I've had some of the best experiences with dream shamans and dreamwork. I thought myself "cool" talking to these folks because I could spit all this jargon about Eastern theories and methods. I thought, "these are powerful people (they somewhat held a degree of plasticity with reality that would normally be characterized as "miraculous"), surely they know of the importance of cleansing chakras!" Much to my surprise, these are people who never consciously cared about their chakras at all, in fact they had no knowledge of ANY Eastern esoteric anatomy. Moreover, when I found out how they went about their practice, there were two things I noticed: 1) They talked about techniques I never heard of before and 2) No 2 dreamworkers went about their cultivation in the same fashion, aside from maybe their beginning work in consistently having conscious dreams. I realized that these guys were rambunctiously making shit up, in fact it almost seemed like it was too easy to be real. And yet, these were are people that demonstrated some ridiculous control over their primordial potentials, even though you would never know that they did. It also came to note that they did this rather quickly, even though they all had jobs and a pretty "regular" life. The point of the story is this: You might have to find a way of doing things that is all about you, perhaps something that you don't even know exists because you just made the shit up. If you find yourself clashing to a point of being inconsistent and off kilter, and the conflict creates more tension than you honestly feel it's worth... maybe that shit's not for you. Maybe the priority parameters of that practice aren't ones that are applicable to you, and perhaps they don't mean shit aside from the people whom they should mean something to. Maybe instead of a cultivation practice that is hard, time-intensive, and perhaps even personally taxing, you find something that is easy, fun, and continuously enlivening. Most people might not think that is possible, and maybe a practice that is easy is not for you. What I am saying though is consider that the cultivation you are looking for might be something that you have to come up with through your own ingenuity, and your own self-trust that what you conceive can work.

The sad thing to me is that people on the, lets all go back to the vegan homestead side lose support of those who'd be natural alies because going part way isn't good enough. Anyone who doesn't fall completely into there camp is brain washed. <I've also found many of the most radical believers are hypocrites who don't walk there talk. Its what other people should do, but they don't> Mention 100's of miles of corn are being used inefficiently for enthanol could used for better purpose and you get angry replies about Nafta and corn farmers in Mexico. Are they for ethanol, against it, or the mere mention of corns sets them off?? Many people do well, others do poorly on veganism. Most important of all, unless your hoping for a Maoist revolution where elite and educated are forced into tiny farms (to survive or not) you ain't gonna get your land distribution. You'll get 10's of millions of dead, just like Mao. The dream is a good one. It just has to be done family by family. Hopefully with as little government help or hindrance as possible.

Exactly, the first picture in the OP shows a beautiful fertile land, there's not that much available for the world population. Heck the 2 horses alone would need (i googled it) need '1 to 2 acres of well-established pasture per horse if you feed only pasture during the growing season'. When the U.S gave away free crappy land it resulted in the late 1920's dust bowl. When Mao forced people onto crappy land, it killed millions. ok.. that's a bit gloomy, truth is there are excellent solutions, but they're probably have to be family by family. Paradoxically, the skyscrapers in the 2nd photo can be more environmentally sound then spreading people out over 1,000's of acres, knocking out forests and vast natural spaces. Those skyscrapers can have gardens on top, and people can container garden on there balconeys. There can be more community gardens in every park, cities can put up more fruit and nut trees and encouraging communal responsibility toward them. In the U.S. there is so much waste. If it was culturally acceptable and encouraged to turn our lawns and back yards into productive fruit & vegetable (& flower) dense gardens (I'd include chickens too) instead mono-cultural grass we'd be so much better off- physically, mentally, spiritually. I put in a small, simple squaire foot garden in my front lawn and a couple of neighbors have followed (the garden is long but only 1 foot wide, so very easy to create and take care of). The dream would be to find the sweet spot between maximum gain and minimum effort and resources. There are some families who've gotten extreme produce from tiny areas but they put in a lot of work. Anyone have a book recommendation for idealized city gardening set ups? I bet Mother Earth magazine has some good ideas in that area, they helped inspire my front yard garden and some bread baking. I'll see if they have a specific book that collects the best of urban farming. Here's a link to there site: http://www.motherearthnews.com/ Even my library, always a good source, has 3 different books on creating edible front laws and culinary gardens.

Umm, to my knowledge, she is still around. While I do feel the entity was "self-created", I prefer to use the term "self-realized" for a few reasons. First, I find that creation is a matter of realizing a potential that is already there. So when something is being created, it's not that it is actually "new" per se, but a form that is arising from the realization of a certain potential stream. The general connotation with a word like "create" tends to come with ideas of forming something that "wasn't there before". For me, this has proven to be a false idea, but I also came into this feeling that I could realize something that had as much transformational power, if not "more", than anything that was pre-existing. This is why I say that, in terms of this mode of exploration, it might be better for a person to have a decent, but minimal exposure to the various theories of reality out there. The method I used was mainly taken from the chaos magick method of sigilization. If you don't have any idea what I am talking about, here's a link that describes what I mean: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wisewoman/Practical%20Sigil%20Magic%20-%20Frater%20U.D.%20-%20English.pdf The implied message behind such theory is that you can take any intent and form a sigil around it that, depending on who you are, can take on various realizations. However, as with a great deal of chaos magick, many people often use this for very narrow forms of realization. When I went about creating the sigil for this entity, however, I wrote about 10 pages worth of intent, and then reduced it according to how I would do it. I got a name and a image sigil from this, which really had it's own power to it. There was actually a lot of energy that was produced just from the creation process itself, that is getting the intent reduced to a single-word name and visual sigil. Although I don't like the "launching" methods outlined in the book, I didn't really have too much option considering my low skill level. At that time, I felt that sexual transmutation could be a key to opening up several abilities that could allow for greater communication between the various aspects of my inherent nature. I "realized" an entity for lucid dreaming as well, and found myself surrounded with these types of beings. This, as it turned out, was really foolish, because I didn't know who was doing what, and I found myself in bed for hours not being able to sleep. They were FAR more powerful than I thought, far too strong for me to handle. So I went about destroying all the stuff I utilized with them, and completely dropped my involvement with them in terms of attention. For 8 months, I got pretty much lost all interaction, up until I utilized charged water and went about exploring Surya Namaskar of the MCO. I actually had my first experience prior to utilizing MCO and Surya Namaskar, it inspired me to pick it up again. When I felt the return, I immediately noticed a far stronger balance in the experience. I could go to sleep, and yet what I didn't feel was a diminished power of it all. It was still very strong, but it was a lot more balanced and eased. It also began to respond to things that were healthy and good for me; if I ate a certain type of food, I would get twinges in the spine that told me whether it was healthy or not. When I set out to do a certain type of work or read a certain type of book, I would get huge jolts of spinal energy that told me that I was on the right track. Sounds like great progress, right? What did I do with it? Impatience, that's what I did. You seem like you are more patient than I was, so this shouldn't be a problem, but I was not satisfied with not having a greater sensory experience other than feeling. Let it be said, I did have lucid dreams where I was being "taught" by figures that were almost always female. But when impatience is in a person's brain... well it get's a person real dumb. She still does exist, although only minutely. I feel she will know when I am ready to work with her again, or maybe I should say them. I couldn't differentiate, which added to my frustration. I do know, however, that these entities had an existence that was not exclusive just to me. I had only told a friend I met on an internet forum about these entities, and yet without me knowing, he went on a 30-day expedition to work with the lucid dreaming entity. His experiences were pretty far out, especially one where he was dreaming as if he were me. What made it so strange was that he was me, he was re-living experiences I had. He knew the height, race, and physical appearances of friends I knew physically that I never told him, even names. He said he was cruising and smoking weed in my friend Brad's car, and he knew not only Brad's height and race, but he even knew that Brad owned the car because he knew Brad was driving. The only thing that he got "wrong" was the car color, which was Red and Black. However, he told me that he felt that the car was actually the dream woman, because she always wore Red & Black (this was a feature I had intended for her to have, yet he never knew about it). This was a person who lived all the way in New Zealand who barely knew me, yet this was his experience. He stopped because he pretty much felt the whole experience was too powerful for him at the time. So they exist, and exist "independent" of me in a local sense. My Hekate experience happened after all this, so I cannot assess how powerful the experience would've been without that prep. However, what I can say was that my experience with her was FAR different than many others, at least in the sense of her character. Folks are always talking about chaos, "The Abyss", terror... wasn't my experience at all. She was just pretty damn powerful to me, but I also did not have exposure to her mythos that others did. So again, nakedness in this exploration can be a good thing. She was also a lot easier to "break" from, possibly because she isn't directly "my" creation. However, I also want to say that I never actually intended to creak from anything I self-created, and I still keep my attention to Hekate as well. It's just that she seems to leave pretty soundly if you don't want her around, whereas I always get some sort of nightly reminder of my self-realized companions.

My protests relate to some results I have seen. In the field, where people have tried to live and work together and bring up families etc. (on a commune). What a ridiculous experiment. I wont go on about it in detail, but lives families and children were badly effected and disrupted by many of the things you mention below. Just declaring things are okay and the power of good thoughts will change things and not addressing issues and changes needed and going about them. There are records I have read where the commune members are doing it hard, all the kids sleeping in a rat infested out building, one guy in an old chicken run and not getting paid for their work, not having any facilities (over 30 people using one domestic fridge, etc), and having to pay for the privileged of 'fulfilling the dream' while the ' spiritual leaders' and channellers admonished the workers for not having 'a consciousness of abundance' . Eventually these 'leaders' left and the people living there have been trying to clear up the mess they left behind ever since ( after 3 failed attempts to get rid of the people that actually did all the good and lasting work). Agreed, now mix that up with a refusal to acknowledge the unconscious forces in one's life ... Same here ... I am not protesting just on the view that I think differently about this. I have seen what it leads to , how it damage a whole community and disrupted families and project crap onto good people that did the hard yards while others sat back and blamed them for their own dreams not being able to manifest because of their mental attitude. Interestingly, as soon as those 'teachers' took off, and people got down to being practical and realistic, the place really started to take off. Now the 'teachers' are out there trying to make money on the New Age lecture circuit .... how to improve your business by positive thought ..... one of them sells 'crystal diamond light' . But people still turn up at the community, sprouting the old BS and telling the people that did make it happen what 'they need to do'. Sometimes, for some crazy reason, people listen to them, and try bits of it again, then the same shit happens, ground is lost, and then it or they run off, leaving their mess behind ( they nearly always leave physical rubbish and environmental damage behind them ) and then its ' two steps forward ' again. Tedious .... extremely tedious !

Very interesting the discussions on the topic. I guess faith needs a belief, a convincement that something is true, either because of reason (logic, science, and here is our rational mind: someone "knows" something is true), or because of emotion (someone "feels" something is true). I think all this process exists because of the mind. Which faith should the trees, frogs and nature have? I guess hope sounds like the desire that something is true. A glance of life. A experience that someone desires to live (a dream that can be true, a movement in life, a changing in reality). While hope looks like desire, faith sounds as a kind of a way to understand what is true according with reason or emotion. Well, just thoughts on the topic.

I have my worthless college degree, a 4 year one. With my first college I went to while I was on my path (the path leading to the Kundalini energy awakening--you know it is going to be earth shattering and mind blowing revolution), I attended there for 2 years and left. I felt so ashamed of my experiences there (demeaning experiences while receiving tons of negative Karmas from the professors), I did not even want people to know I went there. In fact, when I transfered to my third college, I didn't even want to transfer my college credits I had there. Heheheh....Third college? What happened to the second college? That was when I had my full blown Kundalini energy awakening experience. I felt so out of place and my past life Karma dominated my experience in that place and further re-enforced by people surrounding me, co-incidentatlly. I guess that's what it means by past karma is ripened in one's life timeframe. Events in one's life is slowly beginning to unfold and the fruit of one's past life karma is beginning to ripen. The experience there in my second college...took me years to come to term with it and to fully understand my past life karma. All of this was happening while I was in my third college. It took me 6 years maybe total to get my college degree and to finish it. Then what? I didn't even pickup my dilopmat that was how much I cared about it. Is a shame but is the reality. I was majoring in Liberal Arts in a technical college. Don't ask why. Maybe because of my kundalini energy awakening, I didn't really think my education was important. It was like my life has another path. After I was done with college, I had a management position in retail, for 7 years. Met some good people, helped many others, and made lots of people happy in my job. When I left there, all seem to disappear and it was like a dream. Now, I have been into photography and pretty good at it in both film and digital. However, it isn't sustaining. On my cultivation side, I had my huge progress early on as indicated in my Kundalini energy awakening in my late teen. I had to wait for another 15 years before I could realize my own potential further. To advance enough to receive visitations and spiritual guidance from other Sambhogakaya immortals. Here you go, my worthless college degree.

Do you want to know the underlying truth of faith? Fear. You will not have faith, when you know. You have faith, when you dont know and want something to be true. But did not yet make the conscious effort in really researching if said thing or consequence really exists. Life-experience is missing so we "dream". And with this dreaming, we create, if we are powerful enough. But this creation will be destroyed at one point, for that is the nature of the Universe. We want something and we want it to be positive and we want it to last forever. This comes from our fundamental nature: We want something = we are creators We want it to be positive = we strive for life (in absence of not wanting to understand our negative aspect, therefor karma) We want it to last forever = coming from our true nature, which is pure consciousness, eternal Do you understand what is between the lines of all what we do here? The middle part, wanting positive - is our current imbalance. We have to unite positive and negative, as equal (surely there will always be an imbalance for creation to happen but it is a difference to AVOID negative or to INTEGRATE it) So faith is gone, when you know. Knowing, is pure consciousness. Heart. Spiritual Heart. God / Buddha / Christ Consciousness, that INCLUDES both positive and negative aspects of Life (but are rarely presented in todays literature due to avoidance)

Look ... just try substituting 'fix' with some concept of compassion. Then you might get it. Why do you think I see a difference ? Where did I insist that the 'apparent reality' was separate from 'reality' ? (I will say now though that I think there there is no 'apparent reality' ... that is 'reality' ..... and 'reality ' . Now if you think that means I cant see a person as spirit or God , suffering or not, , that's your 'duality' being assumed onto me. ( I actually believe we are all part of a dream of a giant snake curled up underground sleeping. ) Illusory or not, they suffer. Should I deny the poor alms in my 'dreams' ? You know, someone had this philosophical discourse with a popular 'Mullah' of mine. It ended with someone being punshed in their 'illusory nose; and then being asked 'What hurt's then ? " Helping to alleviate suffering ... doing what one one can on the physical and other levels ... as far as 'freedom from suffering' better minds than mind have offered quiet clear solutions ... see below * Why not do both, why is the 'visualisation' better than the material action ? I am not actually the one projecting 'duality' here. And any material action needs positive mental visualisation, inspiration, aspiration and a plan of action, in one area that was demonstrated by how the resettlement integration was managed. You should see how some of those people live now ! Some people live better lives now because of others physical help and support. [ My refugee work was not like this, it was more resettlement - although some showed me the old (or not too ) old scars , ^ that sounds more like my hospital work ; ] No ... I would not have time ... I would be too busy stemming the blood and getting equipment ready ... or holding the head still while the doctor drills a hole in it to stop coning , or a tracheotomy, or .... Stroke their head ....? Tell them they are loved ... ? That comes later . really bad example you chose ... actually, really bad ! Okay ... by now she has bled out and probably passed out. So ... acknowledging she is materially thirsty in her 'unreal reality' and giving her a drink is okay ? But it is better to pat her head than stem the blood? I have no idea what you are inferring here. ... except that you think I am caught in a dualistic 'un-compassionate ' ? 'labelling mind set, that creates bad problems and it is better to work on that level and not the physical, but the line is drawn when they get thirsty, so give them a drink ? ? ? What ? ! Serious ? ... are you really living with your parents still .... that was supposed to be a smarmy dig at you .... (maybe I have started channelling stuff ) What ? "Woman" ! ? ? ? Oh no, I have had heaps of sex and numerous gorgeous, beautiful, all ages and shapes and levels of maturity real and 'illusory' women Oh ... Osho is it ( I should have known ) ... actually some of those above mentioned women were followers of some type of 'Osho tantra' .... boy did they have some issues about jealousy and possession (when the 'shoe' was in the other foot), although they declared they had 'worked through all that' ..... r i g h t ! I am known all over the place for having an open an liberal sexual attitude. Even in my early days (as a lizard) on Tao Bums , some of the mod team and an 'administrator' encouraged ( I think there was even talk of ticket sales ) me to have drugged out sex with a goat (both of us drugged that is ) ... the threads is around somewhere here ... There is even a statue celebrating it in the Louvre. Way back on the first page I dissed subconscious ... what's that ? Its the unconscious that all the psychology is about . So you are UN conscious of stuff ... which means not conscious of some stuff. Thats why you think ; "It is all consciousness, all the time" ... because you cant be conscious of that where consciousness isnt. The conscious can communicate with the unconscious via symbolism and image faculties, thats the 'surface' where they interact. Un is not, sub is under. I am glad they are happy. I am familiar with the poor being happier and more fulfilled than the rich... but this too is " The pictures emphasize and focus on the exterior, the “apparent reality” and the “life experiences.” - according to you. So ? Celebrate the good times and help in the bad if you can. Do or dont do. But if you want to insist that they guy stemming the life blood needs reminded by any LoA teachings that he should also be mindful of the persons spiritual nature, and that actually is more important .... then it reminds me of Tom Cruise saying that 'Scientologists are the one's that can really help when they drive by an accident " (my emphasis ) ... they just have such a good 'projective attitude' ) I see people that need help and compassion and real help, not just 'good thought forms'. You might notice I am not denying the efficacy of a good thought form, just the validity of those trying to use that, and nothing else. Yep. Nothing wrong with feeling guilt about having an unfair advantage ... and using it. I'm just honest about it. I have shame, for my culture that has a good life style at the expense of the oppressed. I cash in on that. If you have clean hands - good luck to you. (No I dont want to hear a list of 'clean hands' excuses, I have heard them all. Are you asking me why a child needs clean disease free water now ? Instead of contributing to an install a pump in a well programme, I should meditate on 'what is the need for water' ? ? ? No, that is So arse about .... think why they dont have the water and then fix the problem. Do you know the cause of YOU needing water ? < double face palm going on here > You know ... you have a bit of a sense of humour yourself. Yep ... that's exactly what I am like ! Simple ... I am sure Freud would have no trouble linking those two associations you just made there. sigh ... see its , its actually you that wear tights , wherever you do it . I dont own any tights . very upper class city then. You, know, when you leave 'home' and go out, maybe even into another city, and get some life experience outside of 'Prince Guatama's walled garden' have a read of his 'biography'. You might also get the need for 'enacting compassion' on the physical 'non real' reality. All the best with that. I am sure you will work it out ... one way or the other. We are spiritual beings living in a material reality / illusion, but dont think 'good vibes' alone are going stand in for real enacted service.

If I understand the literature on this subject correctly, then the common concensus is that Lucid dreaming and Astral projection are different phenomonon. There is a distinction and some overlaping at times. In lucid dreaming or regular dreaming people sometimes note a phenomenon called false awakening. During a false awakening the person may just lay in bed and not notice, or the person may get up walk around thier house and do things. People may not even notice a false awakening or when they wake up into their physical body afterwards, they will believe that it is a dream. People commonly become clued into false awakenings, by realizing that they are floating, or turning over and seeing their physical bodies laying next to them. It is common to initiate this experience when in the sleep paralysis in the dream state. The time when one first wakes up from a dream is the best to take advantage of this state. In sleep paarylysis the person may try to move their physical body and end up moving the astral body due to the sleep paralysis. People in this state report a very real feeling of a astral body. People in this state also report intense vibrations, and sounds occasionally. In addition the astral double of the place where you project at may not be the same as the physical counterpart. These are commonly reported in cases of sleep induced out of body experiences. The Secret of the Soul by William Buhlman contains many accounts of out of body experiences like these. Stephen LaBerge reports using lucid dreaming to initiate this kind of experience in his book Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming. I have also heard reports of people projecting from the different chakras in yogic lore. Maha-Samadhi apparently is a projection from the crown chakra resulting in the death of the physical body, Love and Light Tony

Wow Yasjua - that was amazing. And you put into words something that I've notice myself. I fully agree with the LoA principles. In fact,they express and contain everything I feel I have learnt in life. But I rarely if ever use them. I wonder what more I want in life and my mind draws a blank! I just notice them happening! This is why I often say that trying to use the law to gain specific ends can be a risky behaviour because when you are so attached to an outome there is also fear that it won't happen. I would hate it of anyone starts to doubt the law because they feel they have tested it and it hasn't worked for them. I also find dream bliss very inspiring to read...but I'm torn what to say because there is lot of fear in him about other people's reactions and the law won't fix that..rather the fear will block the law

Hi all, Deja vu and Jamais vu are both pretty strange when we experience them, but they are basically subjective. Reality isn't matching up to what we feel on the inside - that is the only uncanniness. The next level is when things actually happen in reality that don't follow the normal laws of time and space. Level 2 Synchroncity This is when we are able to make links of meaning between this situation and other situations in the same way as we do when we think we have previous knowledge. But the links of meaning in synchronicity make absolutely no sense in the normal laws of time and space and therefore can't be based on knowledge. This is because our transcendence of the illusion of time is also a transcendence of the way things conventionally happen in time. Phenomena, we realise, are linked together in ways that start to seem quite uncanny. Things that we normally view as symbols - and so merely superimposed on events - we now recognise play a meaningful part in the flow. In spring its not unusual to see the daffodil repeatedly everywhere we go. But now we see the same words, the same series of numbers time after time. We are aware of a depth of meaning to everything that we never thought possible. Objects are normally just objects. But now they appear as motifs in our day, just like symbols in a dream. Whether we understand the symbols or not, the world has an uncanniness. It feels at time like we are dreaming it all up, or like Orion says, that we create the world of time and space rather than perceive it. The world opens up, we see meaning in more types of ways and therefore our understanding of the world is more comprehensive and our actions more effective. It is only when we loosen our attachment to the way things normally happen in time and space, that divination techniques start to work. We can consult the I Ching, and understand and expect that the appropriate hexagram will arise just as the appropriate flowers will arise as the sun gets warmer. People who cannot understand the true nature of time will be intellectually bound to conventional understandings. Synchronicity will not happen for them, only mild coincidence explainable by the laws they know so well. I Ching won't give any meaningful response, and they will have no choice but to discredit it as superstition. But they are spared the darker side to synchronicity which doesn't get talked about as much, although lots of us have experienced it. Dyssynchroncity This is where we start to lose the intense powers of intuition we had into our own life story. Remember, knowledge based on experience is and always was a myth. The knowledge we had as indivduals was not based on the past, but were powerful intuitions allowed by our very strong belief that we knew about ourselves. When we see the true nature of time, we are expanded and the world opens up - but our knowledge of who we are as individual egos actually contracts. How does it feel? Well the opposite of synchronicity. Things that we expect to happen, don't happen. Things go wrong, or projects fail. Things we think we should know, we suddenly find ourselves not knowing. And they get interpreted by us and others as lapses of memory so shocking that it seems we have a medical problem. It takes a lot of faith and understanding to realise that this is normal for us. It can be pretty mortifying. Skills and abilities we would expect to learn easily we find we do not. All our colleagues take to the new computer system like a duck to water, but we struggle for a long time. We seem fated to fail at some things. Things aren't happening as they should. Its baffling. Also, things lose their sense and meaning. Activities that once filled us with a wealth of purpose and connected us to our situation now leave us cold and alienated from the people in our lives. You get the picture. We change as people, and all we can do is surrender to the fact that anything not essential to you Way, will fall by the wayside...but the essential will grow in meaning and manifest itself. To see the timelessness of time is simultaneously to grow into a whole new person, but also to stop being the person you once were. I'll talk about the next level tomorrow otherwise these posts get too long. Best to you all!

Re: ----- "would you agree there's a level of faith involved? I don't mean belief in something or other. I mean profound faith in the way things are going to turn out, and that they're going to turn out good. It's hard for me to articulate and I'd appreciate your reaction to what I wrote" ----- I think it is the faith that comes in seeing reality, something like our faith that it is sunny when we walk outside in the morning and just see it. But, the response to this is more like what I was writing about. That is going more towards issues of "Maturity" and "Virtue". Just know that these masters are responding to something very like same thing that other masters are seeing and then devoting their lives to service to all beings, and so forth. Both are "humble", but in very different ways. Individual human being knows what way of response is best for them, for their dream. That is also Faith - the faith in our dream, our image, which we are recieving and manifesting, and which is appearing and disappearing eternally to become ever the same. So those masters, maybe they have eyebags, maybe go really fat, chasing girlies - they are fun, but not Virtuous maybe. Maybe not so mature for what they ended up seeing. Also - seeing Universe and percieving distant image doesn't itself make a person know exactly good way to drive a car, for example, or play video games and cure cancer, etc. -VonKrankenhaus