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You can't wake someone else up or interfere with a 14 billion year old process of physical-emotional-mental-spiritual evolution. That's ego at work. In fact there's no on/off button on spiritual ignorance. The psyche is a multi-dimensional infinitely-faceted psycho-organic super-power-house. By which I mean, it's way more complex than you think. Furthermore, your dream that other people are asleep and you're awake is just a dream. The binary concept of awake/asleep is a huge part of ignorance. It's more accurate to perceive it as a spectrum - sure there's a true zenith, but the infinite variances in human genetics and conditioning, not to mention the possibility of infinite karma, determines the capacity and preparation for awakening. Also, as All are part of a One, there's no one awake or asleep but yourself. It's true what you say: you simply aren't hungry enough for awakening yet to pursue or "achieve" it. The majority of you is still asleep. The majority of "US" is still asleep. It's all one thing though, man, and if you saw it that way, you'd not think people are delusional or foolish. It's just nature, and it's you.

Interesting question Dream Bliss ! I have addressed self harm and suicide in a thread about cutlural devolution. But in regards to ego I thought this; In our group of animals ( humans and their cultures. The prime directive is survival of the individual unit. yet the forces that seem to direct our evolution, as a species, (well , all species) works through a 'cycling' (death and birth) of those same individual units. Just a thought. I haven't read all the posts yet.

While I think you hit the nail on the head, Gendao, I want to follow up on this thread for the benefit of anyone else who might encounter their Shadow in dreams or in waking life. It took a day of passive contemplation to get at what this interpretation means to me, and I think I've reached some conclusions. The truth is, I do have an esoteric megalomaniac laying dormant in my body/ego. I thought about this and recognized that knowing this is in no way a threat to my sense of self, so I just let it in and accepted it. It's just a fact - I've seen it. That the Shadow would try to infiltrate my home during sleep and kidnap my dog, indicates that this part of my personality is interested in coming out (of dormancy) right now, particularly since I've recently joined a forum (this one) full of incredibly interesting and impressive thinkers. It probably wants to keep up with some of the more "well-developed" personalities here. By being here I have felt an uneasy self-awareness grow, and I'm learning that I have so much developing left to do, so it makes sense that this uneasy megalomaniac character would sneak into my home with some fake magic weapon (the pretense of a legitimate skillset or understanding) and steal my dog (perhaps a symbol of creeping in through my mammalian brain?) I want to tell anyone who encounters their shadow like this, that it is okay to accept the shadow. It takes some self-honesty and confidence to accept that we have less than perfect parts of ourselves, and a bit of discipline and awareness to not become our shadows, but these characters are really just manifestations of feelings we've buried, like inadequacy or fear. After that confrontation in the dream, I've slept very well and have had no fear come up when going to sleep anymore. I've been down the road of the seeker pretending to be realized before and it frankly cracks me up, and I don't think my conscious mind would allow for such a take-over to happen again. This forum has really been a blessing to find and participate in, and I recognize that humility and honesty are much more powerful qualities that synergize better with my current personality than the pretense of esoteric wisdom ever could. I'm really passionate about learning, not necessarily in having all the answers, so I think this part of me can take the hearse back into the lower subconscious and R.I.P.

Last night I had a dream where Batman stops fighting criminals(I forget why) and while he is lying doing nothing police captain Gordon makes videos showing him fighting criminals to cover for him. When Batman finally realizes he has been inactive too long he starts getting ready to fight but finds out he has been lying in his socks too long that he has trouble walking now becuase he has foot fungus. My interpretation of the dream is my subconscious fear that I will confuse passiveness with inaction in the path of Tao. In my current life, I am lucky that I don't need to do much to live a comfortable life since most of my needs are cared for. So, the way I understand it Tao for me will be accepting the life I have(easy because it is so simple, hard because of the conflict of pride on being dependent) and living passively while reacting to the problems that may crop up as I flow along with the current of my life without railing against it. I am new to Tao so I am sure I am making mistakes. Any books you folks can recommend on this wu-wei aspect of Tao for the beginner?

I probably repost this every year. Its got some good advice from a solid traditional serious practitioner who has posted here. It covers things from thought (being on guard against sexualizing woman) to practical (don't use heavy blankets) to spiritual practice (do an 1 to 2.5 hours of meditation before bed) By Dao Zhen I think for serious students, this is a big hurdle to overcome. It is best to not get into the habit of gaining depression when an emission happens in sleep. It is natural, and go slow and do not force anything, nor become obsessed with "saving" jing. Keep practice, follow solid methods and guidelines. With time, all will become secure quite naturally. I have found the following to be a help for me in my practice. Yet this is by no means advise from an expert, as I have very little experience. In the tradition I am learning, it is generally accepted that a serious student is celibate. - Points to help prevent emission during sleep - 1. Change conditioned habits and patterns in regards to viewing and interacting with women - on the street, and in the manner we speak and deal with them in public situations - If we flirt, and have playful interaction with women, it may stir things up quite a bit, and cause trouble during sleep. Honor and respect women as your sisters in Tao, yet do not view them as sexual objects, nor project sexual fantasy on women. 1-a. Do not view pornography video, magazine, or sexual movies. 2. Diet. Do not over eat, and do not go to bed while full. I have found it best to eat the last meal of the day around 5pm or so. Also in the tradition I am learning, it is thought best to follow a simple vegetarian diet, with no spice, garlic, onion, scallion, chives, and cilantro. 3. Do not have very heavy blankets on the body that will create too much heat when sleeping. 4. Do not sleep on the stomach. Sleep on the back with one leg crossed over the other – hands resting below the navel, or on the right side with one leg tucked behind the bottom leg at the knee level – right palm cupping the ear – left palm below navel area. 5. The most important point I have found that helps is to sit for 1 - 2.5 hours or so in proper seated meditation practice before sleep. This is perhaps the most important point, and will yield the most results. In this tradition, we have a method to transfer Jing to Qi that is taught. It is termed - "Lighting a Fire", or "Burning a Soft Fire". It is very effective, and yields the effect of the Jing being transformed to Qi, and really is like something burns away and evaporates. There is great warmth generated in the Lower Dantian area that moves, and steams upward during the process in a manner that is very pleasurable and uplifting. One is left with a feeling of great expansion, and the sign that the Jing has been completely transformed, and it is safe to sleep is one has a feeling like a vast, expansive, clear blue sky. The sign that one has made some gain in transformation of Jing over a period of time, is generally one will stop to have dream activity. There is a great stillness in the sleep state, and no real strong dream activity. This is also related to the pattern of the Metal conquering Wood; Or the Po suppressing the Hun during the night. When the Hun is suppressed by the Po, it wanders away from the sphere of the liver, and the resulting experience is dreams. As Jing is transformed into Qi, and the Hun is strengthened, there is less and less dream activity during the sleep state. One sign I have also come to notice is that if I was lazy and just lie down for sleep without practice, there will be a feeling of something stirring in the lower Dantian, like a movement, or maybe even a worm or something is really moving and stirring. This is a sign that one will experience an emission during sleep, and it is important to have a strong will power, and sit up and cross the legs and sit to Burn the Soft Fire. It is also a good idea to get into the habit of getting up from sleep at any time in the night when you awake and there is a stirring in the sexual organ, or a strong erection. Just sit up, cross the legs, and lightly gaze over the Lower Dantian area and sit in stillness. In this system, they also teach a standing method of body movement, contraction and breathe retention in the first stages to strengthen the lower gate, to help prevent the emission during sleep. This stage does not last forever. It is as if the body and being is at first in a habit to let the liquid flow out, and loose the essence. Yet with slow and steady practice, the body and being learns another way. It becomes the natural state to preserve the essence, and no loss is experienced. It is an investment of time. So it takes a strong and steady will power. Constant and steady daily practice over a period of time. Persevere.

could be more than a dream

I've had this rather embarrassing problem lately, which is that I get very frightened at night before going to sleep. I feel encroached upon in the darkness, and like someone or something else is nearby, lurking in the shadows... lol Anyway, I've also had almost a week straight of the same basic dream. There is something or someone unfamiliar lurking around the house, but I can never seem to catch him. He's very sneaky. Last night I decided to wear my socks to bed. I'm not sure why. I never do this. They just felt so damn good. And I had the feeling they would help me keep some of my energy while sleeping, as I often fall too deeply into rest and have a difficult time turning back on. Anyway, I slept better and experienced the following: Last night in the dream, I actually caught up with this guy - the man lurking in the shadows. I don't remember how I got outside, but I was in my front yard when I saw him running through some bushes. I haven't left the house yet in this series, so that stood out as significant. It was night time but the street was well-lit by some imaginary street lights my mind set up. I followed the guy until we were on the boarder of the yard and the street. He was holding something like a cane/umbrella and pretending it was loaded with some kind of bullet or magic dart, and he was threatening me with it. He was standing by something like a transparent blackish-silver hearse that I barely took notice of - I'm not even sure it was there. But I noticed that he was holding my dog, Picasso, protectively. He was basically kidnapping my fucking dog. I didn't fight him or anything, our confrontation was largely energetic. I contemplated him and his weapon and He seemed to be on some megalomanic trip of esoteric proportions. I felt that all he could really do is delay the inevitable: that he was to fuck off, apologize, grovel, and give back the dog to me. I drifted out of the dream at some point, without any particular conclusion, but with a very happy feeling that I had found this fucker who has been causing me sleep anxiety every night. No idea what it means.

I heard Phasing is very effective (from AstralPulse). Briefly, one should focus with a keen but calm, warm interest at the darkness behind closed eyes. Notice how random patterns appear and change, watch passively but with keen interest. Remain alert and aware, keep watching, and then eventually you'll just instantly find yourself phasing into something like a lucid dream. Or so they say... I've never had luck with AP, probably because you need to energize the lower and middle dan tien centres to have enough psychic energy to remember an AP afterward. So I'm starting from the bottom, with dual cultivation of essential nature and eternal life. AP is just a distraction in the marathon of internal alchemy.

It's hard to know what's going on when it happens. All the symptoms (vibrations, rising out of body, etc) are the same for lucid dream entry. Every time I have floated out of my body it has been into a lucid dream. Therefore, being a skeptic, I cannot confirm anything other than that unless I actually manage an OBE. Anyway, it's a lot of fun when it happens but I haven't had it happen for a long time. When I had time to spend a whole weekend on setting up my internal energy and posture then it came quite easy. Otherwise if I have any discomfort when going to bed it's almost guaranteed to not happen for me. The quality of your internal energy seems to be the key factor in the realism of a lucid dream. If it's not free-flowing and open then I would typically get a lucid dream where I'm all groggy like I've been drinking all night and can hardly stand up. The vibration on entry to lucid dreams was anything other than subtle, but not unpleasant. All I did was get extremely comfortable and get the feeling of melting into my bed. After quite a while (perhaps when hitting an REM cycle while being semi-aware) my whole body would start to vibrate all at once without intention to do so, then I'd either fall through my bed or raise up. This wasn't really under my control. It kinda just happened. I just went with it. I presume all of this would be a pre-requisite for astral travel as well. Some people apparently have success doing astral travel from a lucid dream so perhaps this could be easier. Unsure about astral travel but for lucid dreams I'd just work on having a perfect posture such that you are completely and utterly comfortable, then make sure your energy is flowing freely. Then just do nothing and wait. Perhaps just have the visualization of melting into the bed. That's it. I never needed an exit technique for that because you're not exiting anything.

im saying if any one has any questions , like Brain has , Im willing to talk . can you add more context to this statement . Rails against ? perspective and dimensions are both illusions but if I just come out and tell every one. its meaningless. Goes right over their heads so to speak. Theres another issue. Awareness has levels all the way up to absolute and all the way down to death or zero. In order for me to communicate with a person , I need to lower mine to meet theirs. LITERALLY and when I do I become just as unaware as they are and I end up saying things and seeing the same illusion they do and we get nowhere. So I need to be slightly higher and pull them up to me and not down to them . This is exactly how I get tripped up with the same illusions as they do . I cant tell you that , you must do the exercises and "get it " then you'll know . Only half the world is an illusion and the other half reality . The purpose is to vanish the illusions and see just the reality . You'll be twice as aware as everyone ont he planet . But awareness is not fixed. It goes up and down like a pendulum. Some days all the traffic lights go green and you zip right on through . NOTHING can stop you and other days , you'll hit every red light and traffic jams, long lines and delays that will drive you insane. The object that goes up in the gravity field and then returns downwards, is nothing more than a wavelength of yang and yin . The negative force that generates gravity in compounded as it increases velocity temporarily . The illusion is that it stops motion at the peak when in reality it does not ever stop. Just like a baseball it travels up and continues down . south is an illusion . The reality is that there is only up><down Left >< right Front ><back . You can add all the names or perspective and dimensions you like but they are all illusions. You "See" that when you raise awareness levels . not gonna work . Perhaps with a very intelligent physicist who willing to be patient and is not compulsively playing games. YES MAYBE . But even then hell have a ton of questions and the video does not speak back in an interactive way . Brain seems like he knows a thing or two but his attitude with me prevents us working together. He needs to just listen and observe and set aside the things he doesnt get and go with what he does . Sooner or latter he will " get it " too . The exercises I have seem so insignificant , they may appear to be useless and leading no where. So they abandon it before they even start. What we need is SEAN to set aside some time and whip up a program like a computerized chess game with all the correct perimeters and criteria . Then feed it questions and see if it spits out the correct answers. If so , it can then be used to answer all questions we can dream up about life and the universe. It the program gets just one question correct , it will get them all correct. Perhaps even spirituality . There is no god particle . That is the biggest joke in the universe. But there is in fact spiritual life and you can call it what ever you want. Its a hot topic and people die over this subject in wars . But that is another subject . Just more yang and yin in opposition. The universe is so simple and yet it appears to be so complex. WHY ? illusions. When you vanish the illusions, the universe shows its true simple colors and the more who see it the better off the world becomes. On the Yin side? Who give a crap? . Im gonna die and Im not taking any of this with me and why try to fight the birth life and then death cycle. blah blah blah blah . Is it a mute point ? Yes in the end but now while you're alive. We live life to experience life. If you prefer to experience it well and balanced, its best you understand how. You'll understand that too when you get to the top of the top .

HH Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche details here the process by which delusion arises, remains, is reinforced, and also, how it can be cut at the root. (courtesy of L. Thundrup) "The most primary basis for clinging to the notion of self is the aggregate of form—that is, the body. When this body undergoes various experiences, we perceive some things as pleasant and desire them. Other things are perceived as unpleasant, and we want to get rid of them. This corresponds to the second aggregate, feeling. The third aggregate is discrimination. We start to discriminate between what is pleasant and what is unpleasant. The fourth aggregate is impulse. Once we have identified something as being pleasant, desire for it arises. At the same time, we want to get rid of whatever is unpleasant and try to accomplish this in various ways. What actually experiences the ensuing feelings of satisfaction or misery is consciousness, the fifth aggregate. Consciousness itself has five aspects, related to sight, hearing, smell, touch, and taste. Prior to these five aspects and underlying them at all times, there is a basic, undetermined ground consciousness, which corresponds to a vague perception of the outer world and of existence, an awareness that “there is a world out there.” It is to all these aggregates coming together that we attach the notion of a self. As a result the aggregates become intimately linked with suffering. However, when we try to investigate these different elements, one by one, they cannot withstand analysis. They have no shape, no color, no location. We cannot determine where they come from, where they remain, and where they go. In no way do they constitute autonomous entities. In truth, the notion of self we attach to the aggregates is a mere mental fabrication, a label put on something that does not exist. People who wear tinted glasses or suffer from a visual impairment would see a white conch as yellow, even though the conch has never been anything but white. In the same way, our deluded minds attribute reality to something that is utterly non-existent. This is what we call ignorance: not recognising the void nature of phenomena and assuming that phenomena possess the attribute of true existence although in fact they are devoid of it. With ignorance comes attachment to all that is pleasant to the ego as well as hatred and repulsion for all that is unpleasant. In that way the three poisons—ignorance, attachment, and hatred—come into being. Under the influence of these three poisons, the mind becomes like a servant running here and there. This is how the suffering of samsara is built up. It all derives from a lack of discernment and a distorted perception of the nature of phenomena. Because of this distortion, some people perceive samsara as quite a happy place. They don’t realise that it is pervaded with suffering. They imagine that the body is something exceedingly beautiful and desirable. They don’t see that when investigated, it is found to be composed of rather foul substances. In this erroneous ways of seeing things, we take suffering for happiness and perceive the impermanent world as permanent. We thus labour under four main misconceptions: believing that phenomena are pure when they are not; misconstruing suffering for happiness; considering phenomena to be permanent when they are transitory; and imagining that there is a self abiding in the midst of all this, when there is none to be found. These are the roots of afflictive mental states, the kleshas. To counteract them, we have to establish clearly the empty nature of the eight consciousnesses [the all-ground consciousness, the defiled mental consciousness, the mental cognition, and the five cognitions of sight, sound, scent, taste, and touch], the five aggregates [the physical and mental constituents of a sentient being: form, feeling, discrimination, impulse, and consciousness], the five elements [earth, air, water, fire, and space], and all phenomena, so that we correctly perceive their true nature, which is devoid of intrinsic existence. There are different ways to come to such a conclusion and experience it directly. We may undertake a whole course of study, reflection, and meditation, which gives rise to a clear understanding of the relative and absolute truth. Or we may apprehend it directly through contemplative practice, and recognize through our own experience the dream-like nature of phenomena, which is the way of the yogis. These teachings help us to progress in both ways, through a logical investigation of mind and through experiencing and integrating the result of this investigation through meditation. Let’s now examine this object. If we begin by examining a human body to which we are attached, we acknowledge that it is made up of the five aggregates (skandhas) of form, feeling, discrimination, impulse, and consciousness. The first one, the aggregate of form, is the foundation for the other four, just as the earth is the supporting ground for all the mountains, forests, and lakes upon it. There are several aspects of this aggregate of form, but here we will investigate the one related to the human body. It is because we cling to the entity of a body that even a tiny prick from a thorn makes us miserable. When there is warm sunshine outside, we feel comfortable and the body is pleased. We are constantly preoccupied with the comfort and attractiveness of our body and treat it like the most precious thing. Clinging to the body is the reason we experience such reactions to the pleasant and the unpleasant. To eradicate this clinging, we have to examine what the body is really made of. Let’s imagine that like a surgeon, we cut a body open and separate all its major constituents—the blood, the flesh, the bones, the fat, the five main internal organs, the four limbs. If we consider these components separately, not a single one looks clean or pure. Taken one by one, each of the components does not seem at all appealing. The whole body is just a collection of rather disgusting parts, formed of the five elements. The flesh corresponds to the earth element, the blood and the other fluids correspond to the water element, the breath corresponds to the wind element, our body warmth corresponds to the fire element, and the cavities within the body correspond to the space element. One of the main ways to decrease or eliminate our attachment to the body is to examine the various parts of the body one by one. When we conduct such an examination of a human body, where has the object of our attachment gone? What is left for us to be attached to? We should keep examining each part more and more minutely until we reach the point where we cannot find the object of our attachment. At that point, the attachment itself just vanishes. Unavoidably we come to the conclusion that the body does not truly exist. We have then recognised the void nature of our body and of all forms. When this state of understanding is reached, we simply rest for a while in the equanimity of this recognition. When a thought arises within this state, we repeat the same investigation. Once it has been fully grasped that this “body” is empty of true existence, we can easily understand that it is the same with our “name” and with the “mind” made up of the thoughts that go through our consciousness. In investigating the nature of phenomena, there are Four Seals or main points we should understand: (1) All things are compounded; that is, they are an assemblage of multiple elements instead of being unitary entities. (2) They are therefore impermanent and (3) are linked with suffering. (4) They are devoid of self-identity. As for impermanence, we have a very strong feeling that our body, our mind, our name, and our ego are all permanent. This leads to strong clinging. So to gain certainty in the realisation that all phenomena are utterly transitory is very important. It is like when a thief is unmasked and everyone learns his identity: he then becomes completely powerless to fool anyone, since all are aware of his mischievous nature. The thief can no longer harm anyone. In the same way, if we recognise that everything is impermanent—the universe as well as our thoughts—then naturally we will turn our backs on the objects of our grasping and embrace the dharma as the only thing that can really benefit us. Regarding the truth of suffering, we need to recognise that suffering is the condition of all phenomena pertaining to relative truth. Whatever is linked to the five aggregates is intimately connected with suffering. This is because grasping at the aggregates leads to the arising of the five mental poisons (kleshas)— hatred, desire, delusion, pride, and jealousy—which themselves are the causes of nothing but suffering. Even though we may enjoy some kind of temporary happiness in samsara, close inspection reveals that we have often achieved this happiness at the expense of others, or even through harming others, by cheating, stealing, and the like. In behaving like this, although we experience a fleeting happiness, at the same time we are creating causes for our future misery. It is like eating plants that are tasty but poisonous. We may savor them for a few moments, but soon afterward we will die. It is the same for all enjoyments that are linked with negative actions. Once we realise this, we no longer take pleasure in samsaric life, and our desire for it is completely exhausted. This leads to a strong wish to renounce our attachment to worldly affairs and our addiction to the causes of suffering. The final one of the four points is about the negative consequence of clinging to the self and the recognition that phenomena are devoid of self-identity. All of the first three points boil down to grasping at self, the main cause of suffering in samsara. Once we latch onto the concepts of “I” and “mine,” anything that seems to threaten that “self”—or an extension of it, such as friends and relatives—is identified as an “enemy.” This leads to craving, hatred, and lack of discernment, the basic causes of samsara. How did this happen at all? It happened because of our mental process, the chain of thoughts. For instance, the thought comes to your mind, “I shall leave my retreat and go into town,” and you follow it. You go into town and perform all kinds of actions there, accumulating a great deal of karma. If, at the moment the thought first arose, it had occurred to you, “There is no point in going to town,” the sequence of thoughts would have been interrupted and all the impulses that followed would have never have occurred. Nothing will happen at all. The cause of delusion is the linking of thoughts, one thought leading to the other and forming a garland of thoughts. We need to free ourselves from these automatic processes. This is the reason for these teachings, which are like a spinning wheel of lucid investigation of the nature of discursive thoughts and the ego. After paying attention to the teacher’s words, we should also put them into practice and investigate thoroughly our thoughts and our psychophysical aggregates, until we gain a true certainty about their nature. Until now, we had the strong conviction that the self exists as a separate entity. With the help of these teachings, we can now achieve a strong and firm conviction that the ego has no true existence. This will lead to the gradual disappearance of afflictive emotions and thoughts. In turn, this will lead to mastering the mind. In our ordinary condition, when a thought of hatred arises, we have no idea how to deal with it. We let that thought grow and become stronger. This could eventually lead us to seize a weapon and go to war. It all began with a thought, nothing more. Look at the succession of thoughts that lead to full-blown hatred: The past thoughts are dead and gone. The present thoughts will soon vanish. There is nothing graspable in either of them. So if we examine the thoughts in depth, we cannot find anything truly existing in them. Under scrutiny, they vanish like a big heap of grass set ablaze. Nothing will be left of it. We really must verify for ourselves that whatever thought comes into our mind has never acquired any true existence: thoughts are never born, they never dwell as something truly existing, and they have nowhere to go when they disappear from our mind. Unless we come to a clear understanding of this, why talk about things like the “primordial purity of the Great Perfection” or the “innate wisdom of the Mahamudra”? None of these will help, so long as we perceive phenomena in a deluded way. We have spoken of the main ways in which we distort reality: by assuming that conditioned phenomena are endowed with true existence; that fleeting phenomena are permanent; that samsara is generally imbued with happiness despite the pervasiveness of suffering; and that there could ever be such a thing as an autonomous, truly existing self. Now we have to replace these distorted perceptions with accurate ways of thinking. Instead of being convinced that there is a self-entity, we realise that self is a mere concept. We should get used to this and impress it on our minds. To achieve this, we must investigate with determined effort the nonexistence of the self until we have covered every aspect of the analysis. Then, like someone who has finally completed an exhausting journey after painstakingly walking over a long distance, we can completely relax in the natural, open state of mind. Without entertaining any thoughts, we simply rest in equanimity for a while. After we have recovered our mental strength, thoughts will return. Instead of falling under their influence, apply the same investigation over again, and remain clearly mindful of the nonexistence of the self. This will result in a genuine and powerful realisation of the absence of a truly existing self. There are two aspects of mindfulness: first, to remember what causes suffering and needs to be avoided, and what brings happiness and needs to be accomplished; and second, to be constantly vigilant lest we fall under the power of delusion. If we mechanically follow our wandering thoughts instead of remembering to investigate our mind, afflictive emotions such as craving and hatred will rise up strongly. Whenever these assail your mind, you should react just as if you had seen an enemy coming at you: Lift the weapon of mindfulness and resume your investigation of the mind. Simply by turning on the light, you can instantly destroy the darkness. Likewise, even a rather simple analysis of ego-clinging and afflictive emotions can make them collapse. By suppression we may temporarily subdue our afflictive emotions, but only an investigation of their true nature will completely eradicate them. The Measure of Progress Once this is accomplished, a great happiness will settle in the mind. As soon as we notice deluded thoughts arising in relation to conditioned phenomena, generating the scorching heat of samsara, we will recognise the unsurpassable, supreme, unconditioned nature of nirvana, which bestows a cooling, pacifying shade. Following our analysis, we should check whether or not the practice has taken birth within us. Having pursued this investigation over and over again, we naturally arrive at a genuine understanding that all our aggregates, like all phenomena, are molded by numberless fleeting causes and conditions. They are compounded things, so that if we take them apart there is nothing left such as a “body” or any of the other entities whose existence we are so convinced of. We will know without doubt that there are no permanent phenomena, since everything changes at every moment. We will also know that all phenomena are linked with suffering, and that various ways of assuming the existence of a “self” are all groundless. Thus we will have thoroughly integrated these Four Seals of the Buddha’s teaching into our understanding. From then on, our mindfulness will come naturally and we won’t have to exert so much effort to maintain it. This achievement comes from the power of gaining confidence in the fact that phenomena are devoid of true, inherent existence. A great master once declared that the solidity of the phenomenal world will start to collapse even if one simply begins to doubt that phenomena truly exist and merely glimpses the fact that emptiness is the nature of all phenomena and appearances. When we begin to win the struggle to free ourselves from the waves of afflictive emotions, the mind will become like a calm and vast lake. This peaceful state, the natural tranquility of mind, will lead to deep samadhi [concentration], which is the pacification of wandering, deluded thoughts."

Not sure if you're reading and understanding what people have posted here. I think CT's post sums it up best. Beyond our love of greens, browns and blacks, do you see any relevance it might have for you? Cause you seem to be launching off into rants and messianic complexes. C T, on 01 Jan 2015 - 19:37, said: Almost everyone at some point in their lives dream of being a hero, or a saviour of some form or other. Its a sort of on-off complex, isn't it, and not exactly one based on realistic premises. Sometimes the feelings, boosted by external events, can get very charged, and people read all sorts of things into these feelings, but only a special breed of people can actively & effectively engage their inner resources to mobilise something tangible in themselves that will contribute positively and significantly towards making a difference in the world. Its easy to shout slogans and proclaim one's vision, but to be resolutely focussed on a primary objective with unwavering commitment and patiently setting the stage right, and holding the same values for 20 or 30 years with no guarantee of any progress is no easy task. Altruistic, authentic Change masters are few and far between - however, vessels of sound, these are easily shaped, used and then discarded like paper cups. What these sound carriers call heavy, the Masters would call 'opportunity'.

Hello An Yongle: Sorry for the delay in responding. It's been a hectic holiday season and I'm just now getting to reviewing and answering most recent postings on the FPCK thread. Here are my answers to your questions (in bold blue): 1.) Which part or which excercise of the Flying Phoenix Qigong is best suited to induce lucid dreams in a person, who never in his life had lucid dreams? The entire system as a whole is most effective healing or medical Qigong system which dissipates stress in all its forms and physiological manifestations and thereby improves the quality of sleep. Improving the quality of sleep typically enables one to be more lucid in the dream state--IF (and that's a big "if") that person has the capacity for lucid dreaming. I don't know of what percentage of the human population or the population here in America or in other cultures have the capability of lucid dreaming. That said, I don't really know if a person who had never experienced lucid dreaming would be enabled to dream lucidly by simply practicing the FP Chi Kung system. I do know that lucid dreaming can be trained through dream exercises. Various cultures have different approaches. The Senoi tribe in Malaysia has been thoroughly studied by western researchers. Another school of dream discipline is documented in Carlos Castaneda's books chronicling his apprenticeship with Yaqui Indian sorcerers. How long will it take to develop this ability through the practice of Flying Phoenix Qigong? I don't know. (And as I said, there may be some persons whose beliefs and whose physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual conditions make it impossible for them to experience lucid dreaming.) 2.) Do you perhaps know of any traditional master, who would have full knowledge of Chen Tuan's "Sleeping Yoga"? I don't know if that Yoga has been survived to the present day. Thus, I don't know of any master who would have such knowledge of it. My understanding of Chen Tuan's "sleeping yoga" is flimsy and shallowest--based solely on my intuitive guess of what that name might mean, based on my meditative and dream experience/know-how. ​The only person that I know of who might know about Chen Tuan's legacy and his "Sleeping Yoga" is Master Kwan Sai Hung, the only Huashan priest in the United States. I had two late friends who used to study with Master Kuan in the 1980's in San Francisco. (My teacher in Tao Tan Pai Kung Fu and Tai Chi Ruler, Master Share K. Lew, also had a meeting with Master Kuan in the late 1980's, as I had described earlier in this thread.) This is the most recent info that I found about Master Kwan: http://vimeo.com/36704204 • Btw, Master Kwan's Qigong workout shown in this video is very interesting to study. Besides appreciating the depth and breath of his knowledge, an FP practitioner will also appreciate what a cohesive and integrated Qigong SYSTEM the Flying Phoenix Qigong is by comparison. **I just noticed that this Vimeo link doesn't play on this site. You can find it by searching for: "A day with Master Kwan (02/11/12 Chinatown NYC)" 3.) May I ask who is your spiritual guide since 1994, who has the amazing sleeping abilities (ref.: your post at http://thetaobums.com/topic/12639-flying-phoenix-chi-kung/?p=596413)? Is he still alive and to what spiritual tradition does he belong? I do not disclose the identity of my spiritual guide per his preference. But I have disclosed earlier in this thread that he is not of any Chinese or Asian martial art, yogic art, or spiritual tradition. Regards, Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

O yes, some dream of being pies too.

Almost everyone at some point in their lives dream of being a hero, or a saviour of some form or other. Its a sort of on-off complex, isn't it, and not exactly one based on realistic premises. Sometimes the feelings, boosted by external events, can get very charged, and people read all sorts of things into these feelings, but only a special breed of people can actively & effectively engage their inner resources to mobilise something tangible in themselves that will contribute positively and significantly towards making a difference in the world. Its easy to shout slogans and proclaim one's vision, but to be resolutely focussed on a primary objective with unwavering commitment and patiently setting the stage right, and holding the same values for 20 or 30 years with no guarantee of any progress is no easy task. Altruistic, authentic Change masters are few and far between - however, vessels of sound, these are easily shaped, used and then discarded like paper cups. What these sound carriers call heavy, the Masters would call 'opportunity'.

Hi Spotless, I'm confused. In your first post in this thread you said that you have experienced this pressure between the eyebrows for over 40 yrs, yet in this post today you say "I have never personally experienced intense uncomfortable pressure between the eyebrows". http://thetaobums.com/topic/36844-dharmawheel-pressure-between-the-eyebrows-bad-advice/?p=591298 In that post you said this: Your statements are confusing. In your response to Dawei, are you addressing the pain aspect instead of the magnetic pull? There is a difference. I have never found the pressure from the magnetic pull between the eyebrows to be painful. Intense, yes, but not painful. Your post comes across like it is addressing pain from the magnetic pull between the eyebrows. What I have found is that trying to maintain a point of view during meditation becomes very painful after a while. An example of this is when I decide to do a meditation and maintain the point of view that reality is a dream, an illusion. The act of trying to maintain a conceptual conglomerate is a constructed endeavor, one which requires energy and focus. This focus and accumulation of energy can become very painful. One clue the Dawei mentioned is that a single thought can bring the pressure/pain back. The magnetic pull is not produced by effort, it is produced by relaxation, by releasing any tension in the forehead, in the eyes and around the nose. Even sambhavi can be very painful if you tense up. The method that activates the magnetic pull between the brows that works for me consistently is to gently inhale through the nose as if one were trying to smell a very subtle aroma, while focusing on the point at the top of the sinus cavity, just behind the center of he eyebrows. Then, relax. There is no force or tension nor is there any pain. It is all very subtle. It works best when both sinuses are clear and the in breath and out breath are balanced. I will agree that incorrect head posture will also produce pain, but that particular pain occurs at the base of the skull, somewhere near the medulla?

cool ok lets see if I get get this across . The benefits are the so called " unspoken " You cant just tell someone about it like Ive been trying to do . Its way over their head . Ive already mentioned the benefits many times on a couple of my threads. Ill look for them and post the links. Basically, we are in a dualistic Matrix but we don't know it . Its degenerative in that all things start and then end and there no exceptions to that . Even the universe itself which is in itself a big yang yin and allt of smaller yang yin's within. EVERY THING has yang and yin . the only " thing " which is truly a NO thing is life the create of the yang yin universe. ITs within all of use and there is no exceptions to that . THE more you can "See" the universe the more you will separate your spiritual self " from it . I call it out of body awareness and that's exactly what it is . Nobody goes looking for spirituality in the physical universe. They look away towards spiritualistic values. Take a look at the Yang and Yin attributes on my PP page . Those are just a few but the list is endless . When you increase the yang , any yang attribute the others go up with it and the yins goes down to the same degree. when you increase understanding you increase knowledge, control, responsibility, happiness , smiles, laughter, intelligence, sanity, logic , warmth, love , compassion etc etc . All of these are from LIFE spiritual life who is operating their body . Spiritually you WILL become one with all life in the universe. Nirvana. Ive been there and I can get there with ease now . Then I come back to the center between future and the past . Let me tell you it hurt like hell coming back too when you consider and compared it to Nirvana. The difference is like heaven and hell . But you simple can not tell another about it or "take them " there . they need to make the journey on their own . It doesnt take long . Its like when you understand the logic of how a complicated video game runs . Then you can beat it but at first itl will whip you but every time. Once you understand the logic and apply that to your life , your life both physically and mentally will improve in ways that are literally OFF THE CHARTS. Its not a Theory. ITS total actual FACT . PERIOD. ok suit yourself , You have nothing to lose by using the exercises and becoming more logical . You can apply it to your other spiritual practices as well and do them both . I don't know who this Laz guy is and Ive never read his materials. But I know you have respect for him and thats why im in this forum and not the Christ or Scientology or Muslim forums. My exercise is as raw as raw can get . Its ancient wisdom and knowledge in present time without any distortion that happened when its carried forward from history . Just this morning I myself was WOOOOOOOOOW . IN FN Credible . Ive ben to the top like MLK saw his promised land and says hes been there. But I used the basic law of duality to get there and I know exactly how to get back . I actually went back to the top this morning . It was like I was walking in the Matrix from the movie. I was real but every thing and every one ...... ok, Im not gonna go there YET . It was cool . Once you " GET IT " the logic that is , your sanity will increase and your awareness and all the yang attributes. That's all I can tell you , the rest is unspoken . But you will not want to leave it once you "get it " You wouldnt even dream of doing anything else . BTW , when you get " there " let me know . I need your help in getting others there too . Ill be spending the rest of my life showing every one " the way " even Brian . Its a good cause and good causes attract other goodness from others too . Good luck , lets git this done !!!

thanks for the good question, the more the better . answer: Truth and illusion are the same item . Its better understood if its presented this way . But if you still don't get it let me know and I'll present more examples. Or parables. The correct package is actually reality+ ><- Illusion . Reality is also truth . . Truth is related to reality . They are both yang . Correct , real , true , all Yang error, illusions false lies all yin . The whole universe is divided on 2 parts and its not E=MC2. Close but no cigar . Boston marathon bomb was an illusion . Sandy Hook too and that's all I'm say-in on that . ok 911, I said it . lets not go there . ............OK just for a second. They were all real events yes. They were are used to direct attention as a means of convincing others to go in a certain direction. Its a lie, but a true lie. And its a tail tail sign that the government is about to end. The events were all real but it was in part, an illusion . It said the illusion was real . It was a lie . Ya the towers fell and the bombs went off and the school was on the news with police cars and sad parents neighbors etc etc etc. See the illusion ? most people don't and they think is was real . It was real , just not all of it . Real actors, police news , school, people, pictures of crying children. it was both real and an illusion. here's another when you remove the clothing you'll see solid steel under the guy on the ground and it goes up toward the guy on top through the pole to where the 2nd guy sits above . He too is sitting steel framework . It goes through his clothing. it appears they are defying gravity but when you look through the clothing , and see the steel , the illusion will vanish and it will seem normal . All real as it is . When you see the illusion it will vanish and become 100% true. there much much more but im not gonna go there yet . The more one becomes aware in life the less hes fooled by illusions. Ill show you the way it works and you can answer your own question based on the logic I'm presenting, hows that ? Illusions are true too , but they direct your attention to things about it that make the truth seem unreal or not real . hot and cold for example. Hot is the truth and cold is the illusion . We live between hot and cold at warm and cool and null , neither hot nor cold. That is where null is . Magnets are also null between their poles. when you lean towards the future it gets hotter and brighter and went you lean towards the past of present time it gets colder Present time is the horizontal line that seems like its left and right but its actually a spiral line between future which comes first and past which comes after. Its a dot with a spiraling tail in its wake called present time . Yeah baby. When you remove heat you go downwards in temperature. when you add heat you go upwards in temperature. you can not add cold you can only remove heat . coldness is an illusion . and "science" knows this very well . the illusion is that cold exists but in reality its a matter of less heat until it gets to zero heat and the temperature vanishes as a thing. The ONLY 1 who can remove that last particle of heat is you and me and we do it every split + - second of every day from the beginning of day until we go to sleep at night .That's an illusion I see and no one else on the planet does. NO ONE. You can even divide a second into + and - too . It has a beginning and an end . Then the next second start and ends. If its a particle of any sort, its real no matter what . If you can see it feel it smell it, hear it..... its real . What you decide to call it or describe it is you doing . The mental image you dream up is just as real as a lead basket ball or the new world trade center. The only difference is that its so transparent only you can see it . But you can animate it very easy and put up images of anything you can imagine. Life can Animate particles too . Life forms are an example. Part solids and part thoughts. You look as good as you feel and that's a very true statement . Mental images particles are no different than any other particle in the universe. Its just has more space between each + and - particle and the particles next to those. and its also non dimensional too for most people but I can make my mental images dimensional with sound and smell and very solid so that others can see and feel them too . They look at me very hard after I send them off and they get it. They know it came from me too . I just smile back . Its an ability . I can do much more than that and I can see others images and concepts as well too . The more we increase one yang attribute the more the others go up with it . When yang goes up, yin goes down. Like the water in the empty glass logic . NOW there are exceptions and chi dragon pointed that out with his example. Exceptions happen when you get right on the edge of present between the past and the future. +Future>I<past- . when you work at the edge between the past and future , in the NULL zone , You use the word typical and when you work at the outer edges you use absolute. I use the words "no exception". and "typically " + and - . Its a legal issue based on the law of duality . Its like a shiver but the further you move away from the null point of present time , the less exceptions there are . I know I've put this up before but ill do it again for anyone who doesn't want to read the whole thread. Future+>present time<-past reality +>present time <-illusions Hot +>present time<-cold Know+>present time <-Not know in present time there are things we know and things we don't know and we cross that line many times each day . In present time we feel warm some days and cold other days in present time we see reality and are fooled by illusions in present time we see the future and we see but are fooled if we think we see the past . We only see mental images of the past and they are all put there by us LIFE the creator of all things . Ya that's right, we are life in life forms baby Yeah you can apply this rule to everything in the universe. the universe has a beginning and an end its not infinite but universes are like any other life forms, they are born , grow larger and die. Then another universe is generated . by life the creator of all things. The generator is yang first and then yin every thing in the universe is a mini universe in its own right . I need to " back out " of a statement I made about transgenders too . I said a transgender male who has breast implants , genitals removed, hormone shots , wigs make up etc and are Yin. In strict reality they are simply men who have had transgender surgery , and appear to be female. Its an illusion and its real . My Bad Cant be right all the time without being wrong sometimes , right ? or is that wrong ? Both . He started as yang are is still yang but has been modified to the point of appearing to be YIN. You simply can not be perfect without imperfections until you eliminate all imperfections . I still have them but im also living in present time with Y'all too. anyways , I hope this helps . Its better to do the drills on ones own rather than me tell everyone whats what . I live in the present time with everybody here too and I make mistakes. Very few but when you raise you're awareness you'll understand for yourself what Im truly up against. You cant tell people this stuff or you can only tell some people this stuff. The best I can do is show you how to show yourself and that's by doing the exercises. Its how I did it . I'm not a Christ advocate or any other religion. Nor am I associated with any groups or clubs or religious groups. Just some guy that goes back and froth from present time to Nirvana. Over and over and over . Ive been doing it from the start to the end and then again and again . Im just a guy who knows allot of stuff about life and the universe. I now how it works. Ive got a high IQ and im very aware in general . More than most. most of it came from my Yang and Yin exercises. About half of us both males and females can do it with excellent results too but the other half will fail . When the first half completes the exercise and hits the top at nirvana, the other 50% will split off and 50% of the 50% will make it up and out . Then half again until its back into the future 100 % This includes all life forms , We came from the future and we leave the way we came in from the future . the past is a complete illusion . The future is real. I am the master of all masters of the universe. Im thee original TAO master . I can show YOU the way .

Shapes shift, light and shadows alternate, facades appear and disappear as Love plays the masquerade of hearts and souls, lips and fingers, forms and faces. From Her oceanic depths a flowing dream of waves arises in Love’s disguises born of water. Still, as bedazzling as Love’s masks may be, we won’t stop at any liquid image – we’ll go further. When our desire becomes as urgent as that of a drowning man gasping for air, we will become available for Love’s true revelation, which is not at all what any might imagine, believe, hope, or even fear. Until then, Love is mostly an empty word for those who are still deaf to the transmission emanating from the depths of their own Heart’s yearning. Most who come this way stop at the Image, worshipping an Icon, carved by conditions, sanded by time, polished by devotion to a yet tyrant mind. All the while, Love’s arrow buries itself deeper, burrowing further, until, in the abundance of graces, Love recognizes Itself in our smiling faces! Just so, my Pearl, tonight let’s get fetal with each other; let’s curl up in that wooing womb of emptiness, wound together in the wild wonder of our loving, afloat in the amniotic fluids of Love’s supremely cuddly satisfaction, dizzy in the vernal perfume of our unborn bliss, the simplicity of the blessed revelation that we are This, our dharma of desire flowering into letting go of what’s gone, gone beyond any letting go of whatever never was, just rolling in the gone-ness of non-getting, grasping for nothing, clinging to same, just smiling that smile we smile when you see me, I see you, and only Love is Seeing, being Seen, loving . . . See — Love is the Midwife of our Delight, attending this Mystery of innocent Light! Yes, Love is the cause and result of Love, Mother of the radiant Children of Love, the conception, womb, and labor of Love, and there is nothing in the beautiful Body of Love that is not the perfect expression of Love. All form is but the dress of Love, the wondrous random design of Love, though seeking it only postpones true Love. When we die to that search we arise in Love; when we empty ourselves we are filled by Love! All glory, praise, and thanks to Love – this is our song and it’s sung by Love!

Collected Poems of Langston Hughes Call of the Wild/White Fang, Jack London Jeeves Compendium vol 3, PG Wodehouse The Dynamics of Standing Still, by Peter den Dekker Yijing, Moran/Yu and Wang Bi/Lynn Dao De Jing, Gunther Debon and DCLau Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep, as mentioned above (was a Christmas present, not really my thing) Decoding the Dao, Tom Bisio Bagua Neigung, Tom Bisio The Internal Structure of Cloud Hands, Robert Tangora (sleeper of the decade, it's good stuff)

My first experience aware of the Present,..which occurred as an unexpected consequence of surrendering during a difficult occasion,...had an urge to follow the brilliance of everything,...it was my first experience seeing life this way, the vibrant perfection of the duality's illusion,...all one thing,...and yet beyond oneness. Anyway,...it was dawn,...the sun had not risen,...and I walk around an open zoo. In the 60's and early 70's, Alamogordo had a zoo accessible 24/7,...nowadays it has a no-see-thru fence, and one pays admission. The zoo housed lobos, eagles, ostriches, mountain goats, bobcats, etc.,...and the experience was one of no boundary between us,...just love. In 40 years of spiritual experiences,...for me,...the purpose of life is to bring more love in,...which happens effortlessly just by being Present. Being Present obliterates the conditions of the dream of life's situation,...which always arise from the past or future,...thinking, the other 5 senses, are always in the past. If hot tubing triggers it for you,...awesome. My first was a NDE,...thus I didn't necessarily want to physically die each time to access it. I later found, that for me, the quickest way was Connected Breathwork,...and, through the years, short sayings would initiate it. Then, I stumbled on non-meditation,...probably a result from years of not thinking. “Mind is the basis of samsara and nirvana. Once you realize (its nature), rest in the ease of non-meditation.” Saraha "In a state of non-meditation, you attain Mahamudra." "The state of non-meditation is born in the heart...." Jigme Lingpa

the way i see it is that there is never equal balance between yang and yin more yang generates forward motion and less yang , ( more yin ) generates backward motion . Thats the basics of motion . when ever you have perfect yang yin it lasts forever and no thing i know of ever lasts forever . so that means yang and yin can not have perfect balance . It only takes one single particle to be off balance or lop sided so to speak . Its what keeps the planet spinning . If you view the planet we are on front the top down it rotates clockwise YANG but when you view it from the bottom up its counter clockwise. TOP is yang and yin is bottom . counter clockwise is yin . it can happen almost instantly together but it need not happen simultaneously . Remember, yang and yin are the SAME dual item. Ive been knocked out many times . motor cycle accidents twice and some medical procedures too . When i was " out " or unconscious ( yin ) here was no light and no dark . No time elapsed. I got knocked out and came too instantly it seem but later i found out i was out for much much longer . I dont recall any light or dark . The worst time was when i was out for over a day . . Kind of like when we sleep and don't dream , yet time passes anyways . There's no light and no dark and no time , no nothing . its the absence of both light and dark . Many will say " ah no its dark when i sleep but that's mainly because its the last thing they remember . My hearing shuts off too to a certain degree as well . I bet yours does too . We can be woken from sound but not the gentle or soft low volume sounds . so when light is brought into existence it needs some form of yin to hold it there . Other wise iy will continue to shine outward instantly into infinity and vanaish from perception instantly. if you imagine a happy face mental image , and then take your attention off of it it will vanish from existence until you bring it back . The yin attention you place on the mental image is all that holds it in place . its the yin and the happy face is the yang . light is held in its location by yin . Without yin its goes outward in all directions and vanishes there after . Like an explosion . There's lifeforms in water but sometimes I use water as an analogy when explaining LIFE the creator to another . because like life , water is almost everywhere and makes up 90 percent of our bodies. I think its 90 . but spiritual life the creator is not water . You know that this planet is a life form like a plant. it needs light and water to survive like any other plant . It got its water from outer-space and it gets its photons from the sun . The sun is yang . Its has more light than anything else and .its also very massive but then size is relative to other sizes. From a far distance the sun does not exist . if you look at a drop of water under a microscope . its has lifeforms in it already . single and double celled life forms. water is basically hydrogen and you can find it all over the place in the vacuum of outer space . Hey that rhymes , im a rap star . When you ad water to a planet next to a light source you'll get growth and more life forms. the planet started small like all life forms do and grows bigger . Its basically a flaming seed . cooled with a crust or eggshell like surface. As it grew, it broke apart to form continents . Like blowing air into a balloon it grows in all directions at the same time . Water or hydrogen hits its warm crust over longer periods and it began to grow,cool off and accumulate the oceans we have today. they are all over outer-space but we cant see them very well from here. Too far in the distance . There are many many many and youll find them all near a sun or star so to speak . Im not a fan of Newtons theory's . I go with what I know to be true for myself from my own life experiences mostly but I do consider the opinions of others very much . If they align with my points of view, I agree , if not I don't . It may seem there's an equal reaction but I doubt any thing is equal . If that is true the " thing "would last forever and no thing lasts forever there's a huge difference between life the creator of all things and life forms. So it matters, when you read my posts to make sure you know the difference as well . I gain more understanding about life when others challenge my points of view on life , than not . I think we can both benefit from each others point of view.

I didn't think you would . Some parents beat their kids when they don't like something . Some will be patient and have a conversation with that will help them understand. That's me and my kids. light preceded the ( pre sense,) ( present ) presence of every thing including the absence of light . You don't get that I understand that . Its a personal problem that you will need to solve on your own but I'm here to help you with it too . Darkness is the absence of light just like the lie is the absence of truth . You cant have a lie without the truth first . If you look only at the darkness , you see no light and if you at the light only you see no dark imagine ( if you are able ) to not see any light nor any dark . That's right no dark . Probably not so easy because you are SOOOO use to having eyeballs that see both black when eyes are closed and light when they are open . when you sleep ( yin ) sometimes you dream sometimes you don't . But when we sleep some nights we don't see light or dark , You go to sleep , close eyes its dark but then even the darkness goes away and time too . You see neither. Ive been knocked out a few times on the operating table , motorcycle crashes , sleeping etc and I didnt see nothing. Many times while I was out it seemed like no time had elapsed ( TIME is YIN its a lie ) I was awake one moment and then I was awake again 29 hours latter after a motorcycle crash . I didn't see perceive light nor dark . When life ( creator ) made light there was no dark yet . THAT'S the yin of the Yang Yin duality It came after light Bro . I swear . And I don't assume anything............. THAT... ( "assumption" ) is a yin attribute I know it + or I don't know it - Life the creator of all things starts off with all the yang attributes and many more. Life can know anything , do anything lets look at yang and yin for a second. yang><yin awake >< sleep sight>< blind hear>< deaf standing up>< laying down active>< motionless talk>< hush day ><night start ><finish begin ><end refreshed>< tired walk><rest notice any thing about the two columns ? I can go on if not. They are not absolutes, Typical at best . There can not be absolutes without exceptions, It violates the basic law of duality Bro . Yin is the variable Its yin . Anyways Yin is the lie always will be and always has been . Everything comes from the future and is met with the past that generates the present . Like when you turn a garden hose and direct it at a wall . It goes out in all directions at the center. The water is yang and the wall is Yin . Its an analogy . For the sake of understanding . Not to be taken literally or that water and the wall are yang or yin . Just view it for what it is as an analogy that right there, my friend, is the truth . the left side is yang and the right side is yin . Im very very very good at this stuff , Its Nobel prize stuff We should team up and go get one for our self. I went to Nobel Jr high school .( interesting at that ) I know you read my post on the -1 nano-kelvin subject and the Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC). I know exactly what im talking about Its a yang attribute too . Heck I even amaze myself some days . But I still like your comments . I like em all on a good day . Not so much on a bad day . We all have em ( good and bad + and -) Today's a good day Have a nice day

Every last single paradox you can dream up is a lie..... its Yin baby. Yeah There simply are no paradoxes in the universe that are true. Ah geez im laughing so hard right now . The chicken egg paradox is just some paradox created by who knows who at some point in time in the past . The past- YIN is also a lie but that's a different subject as well .

Hello, I came across this board and have found some interesting discussions going on here. I have trouble finding legitimate conversations with people in my immediate circle. Most think I'm "weird" or I "do not communicate well". A little bit about me. I had a sexual experience probably about 5 years ago now. As best as I could describe it was akin to being born again as taught in John 3 in the Bible. The orgasm I had was 1000 times stronger than I ever experienced. From there I had rather extreme psychosis and saw the lotus or the Ezekial wheel within a wheel open up to me. I've been on and off psych meds mostly antipsychotics. I've been hospitalized 3 times for psychosis but never diagnosed with anything official like schizophrenia. Usually it has to do with sleep troubles. The antipsychotics will help me sleep but also block up my energy channels for sacred sex practice and meditation. I'm doing fine right now. Usually if my sleep is ok I can blend in like anyone else. My hobbies include sacred sex practice, music, studying sacred texts, writing, bitcoin, World of Warcraft, yoga, tai chi/qigong, kung fu. I also am a big believer in natural health products and cleanses. I often will do long one hour sauna sessions followed by going in the cold then taking a hot salt bath to keep my energy channels clean. I often orgasm without semenal emission. By often I mean 1000's of times. I think there is something off in my practice because I want to draw the carrier fluid back in too but lately I'm thinking it's just waste. I didn't really read any book on sacred sex I'm just sort of self taught in that regard. I'm really celibate other than I transmute it upwards to my brain. I could probably go celibate but I'd just lose it in a wet dream. I'm a big believer use it to transmute or lose it. Anyway, I am big into Christian teachings. But moreso the more esoteric collections like the nag hammadi library and dead sea scrolls. I feel I do some weird practices and this whole kundalini awakening has been scary for me with next to no help. I at one point had come in contact with the author of Kundalini Biology and she helped me out greatly some of her teachings on practices to deal with kundalini energy and some of the weird symptoms that seem to present themselves. When I get scared though, I think of this gnostic passage: "Follow, therefore, first, only the laws of the Earthly Mother of, which I have told you. And when her angels have cleansed and renewed your bodies and strengthened your eyes, you will be able to bear the light of the Heavenly Father. When you can gaze on the brightness the noonday sun with unflinching eyes, you can then look upon the blinding light of your Heavenly Father, which is a thousand times brighter than the brightness of a thousand suns." So, that's really what I use for my gauge if I am pleasing God or am not pleasing God. I don't believe this passage I know it to be true from personal experience. Thanks and hope to get involved in some good conversations here.