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Hi there, http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/the_secret_of_the_golden_flower.pdf This is a good document because it contains Jung's fascinating preface the to Wilhem's translation. This explains a lot about how Jung understood the text and gives great insight into Jung's own psychology. Jung's eulogy to Wilhelm is included as an appendix. As It was a eulogy, he isn't being fully open about his views on Wilhem and is he is more candid in his own autobiography: Memories, Dream and Reflections. The relevant passage is: Another must read on this subject is Jung's preface to Wilhelm's I Ching, where he explains the I Ching operating through synchronicity...so the hexagram is the appearance of a psychically meaningful moment in the flow of reality. Link here: http://www.iging.com/intro/foreword.htm

I am going to skip a whole bunch here because I don't want to write a novel and nobody would want to read it. But to come pretty near the present few years and start there, I was once horrified at the insight-epiphany that I could not possibly exist. I could not be real. I had spent a great deal of time coming to better understand my body, and my energy body, and my Aeons, and then one day realized there was nothing left. If they were all-that, then what was I? There is no part of me that is not a ton of other intelligences also. Where was the place for something to be "me" and not someone- something- else? In response, I was shown (internally) that my nature (as a human) simply wasn't what I expected. At all. And that wasn't new, nothing had changed, I'd just been oblivious. That "I" was an "emergent property" of all the intelligence that made up the body (dominantly the Aeons and Chakras as they are the main of it in terms of its next-largest-identities, but of course they have their own composition and so on). I existed solely for the 'executive decision' role and as part of my job, whatever energy of the conglomerate I chose to have "in focus" was "my experience" -- the idea being that I would be getting feedback from perceived-reality and could adjust as needed. One of my jobs is to find ways to include all the energy that needs outlet and development and help bring harmony to the many components of self. I saw that I have been chronically biased in favoring some energy over or under others, not for good reason, just for my own limitations and habits, and it has affected all of us. If I think I am bad at something (or good at it), afraid of something (or not), all those are over-attachment, over-identification with the energies inside -- I am merely experiencing what I choose to identify with. The opposite and other variants probably exist inside me too if I just choose them. In short, I only have ONE JOB - to make good decisions. Everything else is technically someone else's job, it's merely that I am sharing their experience of it. But it's very distressing to realize there is no 'me.' And the more these sorts of realizations come about, the more some of them are along the lines of, "Everything is energy. Everything is symbol." Which is to say, everything is equal in that regard. "Identity is an arbitrary collection of consciousness assigned a title." Awareness is omnipresent. Everything beyond that is basically an emergent property of some kind. (Although unlike the English meaning of that term, there -is- actually continued interaction between what emerges and from what it emerges). As for demons... or 'daemons' as 'messengers'... from Hebrew and Greek and Plato and what meaning that seemed to end up with I guess (I am no expert on anything written, but wiki told me that once)... I give the example that once upon a time when people were sick, it was thought they had teeny tiny demons in the blood. Later science dismissed that and eventually evolved to the point of discovering that there were virii in the blood. This eventually evolved to realizing that basically all such things are "information." Messages carried by certain kinds of cells which often contained all kinds of things, even shreds of dna. So, daemons! So it turns out when people are sick, they have teeny tiny little daemons in their blood. We've come a long way. :-) I consider everything manifest to be manifested-awareness. Things like self-awareness, let alone autonomy, are far down the line of emergent property from that, but I don't really know how far or why. I've had an experience with an entire 'world' of people that when I was done, my awareness-perspective shifted, and it turned out they were a collection of dehydrating cells in my lower side of torso and I was the "god" they were praying to for help, for rain. (That was 21 years ago and to this day I am kinda blown away by the impact of that experience. I was wide awake and sitting at my computer when the vision happened.) And I've had some debates with my Aeons such as about what white blood cells might be "doing" if they weren't busy falling on their swords to clean up after my lousy eating for example... because from my perspective that's why they exist but apparently there's more to it. (Also I've found that when your perspective shifts to that size and situation, they are like rescue soldiers. Once they were saving me, carrying these things out flying past and I was waving and saying "thank you!" when I realized they were all going to DIE as they took them out for me. Then I started crying because they were my heroes and I didn't want them to die. LOL -- really, perspective is everything!) Anyway my point is that the body itself is divine by design and AMAZING in so many ways, so many layers of amazing we are oblivious to, and this covers a heck of a lot more than merely the digestive colonies' bacteria. I've no idea what degree of identity those have individually but as a system, basic food and drug addictions make it obvious that the body can be 'triggered' -- whether that in the brain or the gut or, more likely, the entire nervous system "is" the brain by extension so it doesn't matter -- into a sudden craving for certain things. I was once in a lucid dream with part of my groupsoul and got ensnared by "the taste of strawberry" (like jam-preserves) and my mate had to literally drag me out, I was so weak to it -- there are some layers of perception where everything is equally real even things like tastes. Boy coffee and chocolate must be monsters lol. With gut bacteria though I definitely think it becomes like that native american saying about the wolf you choose to feed. If I don't feed my gut anything with gluten/glutin for some time, I have zero urge to eat anything with them. In fact once I got all this stuff that was normally gluten stuff -- pizza crust, cookies, cakes, pancakes, everything, that was GF -- and consciously I cannot taste the diff, they taste just fine -- and it sat on the far edge of the counter for 2 years until I tossed it because I had no interest in eating it the moment I'd had one iteration and my body realized it had no gluten. My whole life was driven by the drive to ingest gluten and I never knew it. I could barely make myself eat at all once I got rid of that driver. I had to be hungry and couldn't even remember when I truly had been last, my hunger signals were trashed by decades of low-level addiction that drove everything (which I think most our culture has and is oblivious to. And it's in nearly everything now, so pervasive and difficult to avoid). I can eat one thing with wheat -- sometimes I don't even know it contains it -- and very shortly I know because my entire body is craving it. There's even a predictable cycle of response it'll go through for days, with the various foods that it will crave, and if I won't eat them, eventually cycling in to other foods that merely have "some" gluten, and so on. It will try and fool me, like make me think I really want pesto, when it knows I am unlikely to eat it without pasta for example. I am not fooled anymore. I know that most my body is horribly injured by my response to those proteins (though this didn't happen until my mid-late 30s. I never had allergies, asthma, odd rashes, mild arthritis, acid reflux, or other issues from G until then. Of course docs told me it was just the trees and these things fall out of the sky on you for no reason. Leaky gut had finally just hit critical mass point with me, is all). When I stopped eating ALL G entirely for a few weeks (for a totally unrelated just-by-chance reason - I had no idea!) it was like a medical miracle. Which for reasons not clear to me made my specialist angry, not happy. You'd think I'd told him the tooth fairy cured me or something. Anyway... So I know that the gut definitely is manifesting enough intelligence to be predictable even, but I don't know on what level it's doing this. I suspect that every major part of the body has this, though, and normally it's seamless. We think it's all "us." When really none of it's us because there is no me. So to speak.

Karl, I've been following your conversation with Des and for me it still boils down to this distinction between rational living (which we can call the head) and following the heart. You said: This is nothing more than a belief. It is quite easy to look at our lives and notice that, at a conservative estimate, 99.99999% of our lives are totally unplanned. I've been awake only an hour and there hve already been a near comstant stream of unplanned, but significant events. Even when we do actively plan, things can turn out very different. This planning really is not as big a thing as you make it. When we accept this we definitely relax, into the moment. We go with the flow, literally. We have a certain trust that we are equipped to meet all that will come our way, by using skills and insights that are radically unique to that moment. It is not rational, predicate based living. This moment's axiom is the next moment's fallacy. When we aren't trying to orchestrate our lives, which is all about trying to repeat what has been best about the past in the future, we stop using the intellect as our guide. It is our heart that steps onto centre-stage. We do what what we want to do, what inspires love and attention in us. To begin with, our heart's desires are still quite distant outcomes...like the far off dream of the entrepreneur. But as we bcome more adept, we find that are very lives reflect our hearts desires more and more. Our lives become filled with what we love and we feel love. Living by the heart is now a here and now thing. Our present moment is loved, and it is enough. I've called this thread the science of the awakened, but the key methodology is trust. It is trust that our hearts are a reliable guide to universal truths. It is the trust that by following the heart we will no longer need to feel the sense of lack that is the driving force behind all intellectual search.

Sky serpent here is black as there are sooo many stars (in the desert) that they mass together and the dark shapes are picked out. Wallenganda is a black snake but also a river running through the sky, the stars either side are her children's campfires camped along the river. Wallenganda spat 'water' down on to Ungud the earth serpent, he took it underground, under Uluru and gathered it together, curled up in it and had a dream from which creation sprung forth. Here is a more trad version

Red Cairo, Your vivid description of reptilians reminded me of a dream I once had. I saw myself as a child, hiding from several intelligent reptiloids. Their skin was almost black, They walked on two legs like Velociraptors, and their way of moving was very gracious and very reptilian-like, just impossible to describe. Some material transmitted by channellers has it that such beings originate from Draco constellation - something I find interesting at least in the way of Archetypal psychology which has a lot to say on the meaning of dragons and reptilians for the human psyche. That has got to do with the oldest part of our brain being the "reptilian brain" and the snake representing the original energy (Kundalini) in the Indian system, its role in the Genesis etc. The North Pole of the ecliptic/zodiac (which Earth's polar axes precesses around once in the course of a 'Platonic year' of 26.000 years duration) coincides with Draco - more precisely with NGC 6543, the Cat's Eye Nebula.

OK, as the below mentioned personal experiences. I have had a few experiences with what might translate to 'reptilians.' This has no feedback in the external world, nothing decent anyway, so be skeptical, to say the least. :-) There are a few different experiences that touch on 'reptile' energy for me and they are all completely different. 1. I once found myself in a dream in a place where the powerful devics told me I was in "The Naga Caves." At the time I had not heard of this or had no recall of it if I had. I googled it the next morning on awakening. They were kinda like big snakes, living in an underground cave, and it was very dank. These are what some might call fey or nature spirits, but like many things of this type, they actually come across as gods-little-g except the 'range' of that varies. These were powerful but not a huge deal. They were kind to me. I don't remember much else. 2. Twice I have met an identity I call River of Sky. It is apparently what at least some of the ancient asian art is based upon. It is the energy of water, with the dynamic of fire, riding air. It's freaking huge, like 2-3 miles long. It doesn't have feathers, flames or clouds like the art -- but the shimmering of the air against the surface of it creates a great visual effect that kinda looks like all three in a way. The head is huge and oddly flat when it looks straight out -- like a shield -- terrifying to look at directly, not in a bad way, just in a powerful way. Its body is constantly in motion, and it moves the way snakes do where its shape 'pulls through the curves' it has created. But imagine miles of this. It is never still. It loves the feel of the motion on its body. One of my experiences was like "running a film reel of another life from 1st-person perspective," where this thing was worshipped by some peoples and I was the designated 'Rider' as they called it. My people and I traveled a long way in snow up a mountain to this remote tiny monastery-castle carved into the mountain so that I could pass on the energy, or I thought that was why anyway (turned out otherwise), and it manifested physically and just blew our minds. It was clear their people had built that place at some point because it was 'close to' the creature... it was worse than freezing up there. Anyway this creature is vastly more powerful than the Naga, it is literally god-little-g but near the topside of that description. 3. There's a species, not quite in our place (dimension? parallel? vibration? beat-pattern?) I call the Daerken (made that word up when I wrote them into a fiction novel I'm working on) who actually look a lot like some gargoyles. They are green, have short bat wings and clawed feet and ugly faces. They are a little bigger than us. And they are scary as hell. Their energy field is really intense and not good and incredibly sexual (as in rape/assault for power). Very manipulative. I am pretty sure that these guys would be classed 'demonic' although I am not religious so I tend to dislike words with baggage like that. 4. There's a species that with the aid of tech lives in areas we can't, but operates 'here' via tech that we refer to as UFOs. But you know, that's a huge category of experience and doesn't really mean anything as a term. These guys showed up every damn time I did anything with Enochian magick (many eons ago) until I finally quit doing it. One of my interworld guides once showed me this thing that looked like technology, but not quite in our dimension (protruding just slightly into this frequency-set), that looked like some kind of communications satellite -- it was a receiver they'd made and many people had them. We moved it way up and created something to send a predictable and calm signal. They have a red-orange pulsing orb, barely flatter top to bottom, which I saw repeatedly in Washington state in 1993 and saw very close-up with my best friend in 1973 when I was 8 years old. (The next morning, many kids were talking about 'a UFO' and a cop's son said there were lots of calls about it. They all described crazy stuff though so I didn't think they saw what my friend and I had. We had a lot of very anomalous behavior related to the experience, then and later.) But that craft doesn't look like that in person. I saw it in an impossibly large warehouse once in OBE and it looked rather like a mutant dull-metal beetle and not at all as large as expected. I think the 'cohesive light' and movement effects have something to do with movement through frequencies, not anything literal about the vehicle, which for some of them is a home. I've seen them more than once and they actually gave me a movie like "education" when a hard meditation I did 'triggered' what seemed a posthypnotic directive or something to return to them (fell into a complete OBE while very-fully awake to 'go find them'). They live where they want but they are very deep under the area we consider Egypt's pyramids (I doubted this even while being told it). They said we will never find them but we will eventually find 'wells' that go down impossibly deep that we cannot find the bottom of and these lead to their area. They also said that whole area will 'open up' (like dimensionally) at some point in the future, but it will be quite some time they assume. They are humanoid, no hair, have tan-sand colored skin, it's a bit spiny ridgy in places but thin, like a desert iguana. They have perfectly round eyes with vertical pupils and the first guy's I saw were vivid orange but the ones I saw later, though it was a bit dark where we were, I actually recorded in my journals as "a color but neutral but I have no word for it." (Note that when I recorded one of my experiences in Compuserve when the internet was pretty new, a guy told me Lear had a story about 'orange eyed lizard guys' and I was so excited someone had the same thing described! He sent me to a TV movie made based on that concept called "V." I liked the Sci-Fi show but they looked nothing like these guys. And are not foreign. Oh well. I didn't notice a great deal more about them physically, mouth seems very small, was closed so I don't know, didn't even notice a nose. The females did have a slightly sweeter look somehow like you could tell the diff. They are incredibly telepathic, but in a dominating way, and they use forced OBE, and they wipe memory most the time, so I disliked them a lot for all that, and I was extremely lucid and controlled with lucidity and OBE both but they could overpower me. They did manage to convince me at one point they weren't really my enemy. They consider this planet theirs and they call themselves "The Guardians." Earth as property. People are basically cows to manage. I think these are the guys that most people mean when they talk of the reptilians, however, they are extremely good at manipulation and it's very seldom if ever I see a description of them that is actually like them -- and I think that's on purpose, on their part. As for David Icke, I think some of his info has some legit roots but it's all mixed up like a blender and it has this hilarious assumption about how they're all green-skinned dinosaur-lizard looking people wearing 'human skin' disguises, as if you could just rip off a piece of skin and voila! There's a lizard underneath the queen of england! LOL. Maybe there is something to that -- I have seen some 'face forming' stuff in other experiences more akin to classic UFOlogy (fragiles and blondes as I called them, until I finally shared some accounts on the early internet and found other people called them greys and nordics). I have had some dreams though where, in a more spiritual (?) sense, it was like they were trying to get me to commit to something, and I found myself standing like a sailor and shouting, "I AM of Michael!" repeatedly three times fast. I don't even know what I meant by that for sure. But it left me feeling that like with the funky gargoyle-ish guys -- but not as severely -- that some of this is metaphysical-spiritual, not just esoterically-physical. 5. In my interworld experiences (sometimes with HGA) I will get visual symbols and impressions that are like a dead crocodile head or me stepping on it or other forms like that. I think this is some kind of archetype but I am not sure what it means. I did once get some "sponsored insight" that it had to do with... like updating energy that... changed, maybe triggered something different in one's DNA, getting rid of a reptilian element for something else. Best, PJ

This has been going on all my life. Sometimes I'll dream of a funeral taking place and I'll have no idea who the funeral is for. Days, weeks or months would pass and once I hear the bad news then it hits me. Recently I've had someone close to me pass away. 3 weeks before that took place I was at home all alone and I was walking down my hall. I heard a violent noise come from the living room window and the shades violently crashed to the ground. I run back because I could of sworn someone was probably trying to break into my home and look at the area and everything was intact. Window wasn't broken, shades were still in place. Everything was normal. I turn on all the lights at home and even look outside and everything was also normal. Now that this person is gone I realize that this is the exact same position of my house (exactly where the violent crashing noise came from) where he had been seated the last time he visited. This is beginning to creep me the hell out. Does anyone have any explanation for this? Why do these things happen?

Come to think of it... I remember dreaming of a particular area and a car accident happening. When I woke up and turned on the news I saw a report taking place that looked oddly similar to the one in my dream. Many landmarks were also present. They mentioned a car accident had also happened and it turned out to be Randy "Macho Man" savage who was involved. I have several other stories that are similar to that one.

Hello guys, I have been having some strange things happening in life lately. I thought long and hard before trying to compose this post. It seems like I am getting visitors when I am asleep. In my opinion I am getting visits by people who can astral travel. Couple time I woke up, meaning my astral body woke up and actually talked to the person as if I knew him. The incident happened early in the morning. I saw (while I was asleep with third eye??) one guy standing inside of the door of my room. I could see the whole body of the person but the face was blurred. I actually greeted the guy as if I knew him by calling him uncle. Then I got up (my astral body ???) and next thing I know the guys is on top of me with his knees on my thigh. It hurt me (in dream??) so I called him to stop. He actually told me to stay still and shut up or he will kill me right there and then. Then I go blank not sure for how long and I woke up. The thing is, I am having similar experiences on regular basis and I do not know how to stop it. I do not know what they do to me, after I go blank. I feel violated, and as if somebody is trying to control my thought and feelings. It has got me very worried. If somebody has similar experiences and some solution which they can suggest, it would be very helpful. Thanks Sunshine

I find bridging of the chasm between Western Greek philosophical thought forms and Chinese multi-meanings in one character very difficult to cross these days. I must allow others to show the way. All crossings from both sides are much appreciated. I especially appreciate the opening of further nuances within the Chinese characters. Thanks to Crescent Moon. These days I always find myself returning to the side of Zhaungzi, unable to cross. I remember the other side, lots of good thoughts there and still. I think I did it when I was younger, but it may have been a dream, I am not sure now. The venerable Roger Ames, and David Hall have returned with stories to tell in "DDJ - a Philosophical Translation." "Nabo Zikui said, "Where did you learn of this?" Lady Ju said, "I learned it from the son of Aided-by-Ink, who learned it from the grandson of Caught-in-Recitation, who learned it from Look-and-See, who learned it from Heard-in-a-Whisper, who learned it from In-Need-of-Labor, who learned it from There-in-the- Singing, who learned it from Dark-Oblivion, who learned it from Joined-in-the-Void, who learned it from Perhaps-a-Beginning" [Zhuangzi, The Essential Writings, Brook Ziporyn translation: 6:38> ]

But Michael ! Its the Matrix remember ( its so pop nowadays ) - rip out those organs out I say ! Only one way to deal with them I reckon ; Chapter 10 - The 'Evil' Hydra . “Well that IS rather strange. I am wondering what all those heads represent? I know not what in Man has many heads.” Asked Raven “The serpent that is inside man came from the Empyrean and passed through the seven spheres, these are the 7 gifts that Man can have, if he grows and develops properly, they will , in turn awaken in him” “Did you not listen to the Magpies chorus? ‘The forehead of the snake is bright with one immortal star’ and ‘That star upon the serpent's head is called the soul of man.’ “ “Ah yes!” responded Raven, “That eye on the brow that sees in spirit is its head and its tail lies in man’s reproductive organs … its all curled up together but when the snake awakens … and comes up from the depths of the water it must make sure the person is worthy to receive its blessing … “ he thinks a bit more … “ and that connects Man’s sacred creative ability with his inner vision … that’s rather clever … whoever thought of that . I see why it is not shown on the diagram as it is hidden within the body, but the soul, on a higher and more subtle plane sees through that secret eye. But man fears these as well, and some think them evil?” “Some give them more trouble than others, Venus for example and the sexual energy.” Answered the Centaur. “ But consider other parts of the Magpie’s chorus; ‘And kindle at a livelier coal the subtler soul of light. From these soft splendours of a dream I turn, and seek the Self supreme.” And “Lighting her coils with living light, to where the nenuphar sleeps ... All darkness dreams - The thing that is not, only seems. “ “But I am getting a little confused did not Hercules cut the heads off the Hydra in another story, thus defeating her ?” asked Raven. “Hercules!” cried Centaur in disdain. “Hercules’ journey is about Man’s literalist approach, and how his ego opposes lost soul. Of course soul can NEVER be defeated by ego … it may seem to be supressed for a time but like all suppression it resurfaces in different ways and in multiples of itself. Hercules! Bah ! That is one of those myths that shows Man’s wrong approach … so , of course, everyone admires him. “If you remember the story, the thing that happened when Hercules cut off any of the Hydras heads was, firstly, water gushed out … he released the waters of the depths contained within the depths of Man’s psyche. And secondly each neck then grew three heads. This is because when man cannot understand singularity - the Empyrean, firstly manifests in Triplicity; the thing itself and how it manifests in the world of duality, thus the mortals always have lessons in Triplicity; Life – birth & death, Tao – Yin & Yang, Humanity – man & woman and recently electrical charge – positive and negative … and so on …” “And” Raven interrupted, ”on this diagram, on both sides we see that unity, and below are the nine heads, making the ten, and also the first three above, with the 7 below … and I assume those 7 relate to the 7 stars that wander about the sky, unfixed as we seem to be?” “Now you are getting the hang of it.” Centaur told him. “But Man sees these things as bad things as well?” “Ah yes! But Man perceives in duality.” The centaur told him, “ He sees one thing as two things that are separate and then separate men decide which side of duality is reality. So then is Man in conflict; man against man. The man of Wisdom however sees One and all men as one. To some men, and in Man at some times, there is a view that these eyes, or senses, or processes of the One are hindrances. Some have called them ‘sore spots’ and are offended by their various functions. In duality they can be seen as ‘either’ levels through which Men have fallen, and hence are barriers to the One, or stages through which Man can ascend and comprehend the One. But like your parchment and diagrams, they are, of course two sides of the one parchment. If one holds it up to the Light and allows Light to pass through it and illuminate it and that same light strikes one’s eye than the One and one image can be seen.” “But I know many men do not see it like that’ protested raven ‘they live in fear of the forces deep within … many don’t want to look within.” “ I have seen men and women even listening to a story such as this , just the first part, and then declare they want to hear no more – just when they are at the crucial point of having great mysteries revealed to them ! “ “That is true,’ said Centaur, “if the soul is not honored or accepted in the right way , which is according to its nature, it can demand attention, it can morph and twist the images, seeking a form that WILL get attention and it wont give up until it does get some type of attention. This can make some men more afraid and more reluctant to see the soul and forces and unconscious needs within, which in turn morphs the soul into more torturous forms , which of course creates more fear for the man and more torture for the soul …. Until it all ends up in a right mess and Hydra has become the monster instead of the teacher and men are fearful to look below the surface and into the deep water of their psyche. ~ from 'The Raven's tale.' by Nungali.

That is exactly the way you described it, and you kept insisting that I should just go into it despite me repeatedly saying that it wasn't right, I had to follow what I had been told to do in a dream which was to follow the energy down. You had no sense whatsoever of what I needed energetically. Absolutely none. Though my ego would have come out feeling pretty good about itself if I hadn't had the strength to hold on to my truth. I'm not saying I didn't notice the energy, I did notice it. Why no description yet of how someone at light level has described what they see with the 3rd eye during light transmission?

Actually T_I, in my first session with Jeff he told me my 6th chakra was open, which I absolutely disputed at the time because I knew it wasn't. Apparently I've been demoted since then, as at my level today I would probably only feel some of it, and maybe have a "vivid dream".

WallaMike, that's a great endeavour, a vocabulary for inner states. I can see how it would be useful in teaching the specifics of a method. this would be useful for any internal art as well since the subtleties and fine points that make any practice work are often omitted from regular books. here's one example I created way back from Robert Monroe's Ultimate Journey book. I found his book and his idea of belief system territories inspiring even if a good majority of his experiences sound more like lucid dreams. It is unfortunate that even his TMI research bordered on dabbling the paranormal however unintentional (the batteries of cars in the parking lot regularly getting drained incident). I may know a bit of what you mean by 'opening interior space' as it does feel like an expanded awareness where the darkness gains depth and size relativity of objects/perception loses meaning. Monroe may have called it Focus 12 as he describes it in the same way. For me it happens on the rare occasion during meditation (standing or sitting) and I seem to have no control over its onset or termination. Another person has described the same thing at my dojo at one time. Interesting though that you can actually induce it and link it to hypnagogic imagery; that's very close to inducing a lucid dream directly! The "falling" sensation I have used once (by instinct, not willingly) and it helped me cross into sleep; I imagined standing in embracing the tree posture which naturally relaxes the mind and was able to let go into a lucid dream. well, there's a lot of techniques and still much to learn and explore. in the end everything should connect to everything else just so long as we develop the basics properly. happy navigating and look forward to hearing more from you WallaMike

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, I didn't check. But apparent drinking guayusa tea decalcifys the ppineal gland. Certainly more research should be done. I am drinking it to help lucid dream, but if it is, in a manner of speaking, cleaning the lens of my pineal gland, so much the better!

He may have been loopy, but in your neck-of-woods they do take "dreamtime" seriously, don't they?.. A lot of my own hopelessly politically unsavvy views are derived from dream-visions of the way things used to be a long, long time ago. I can't offer them as "proof" of anything. All I know is, I have my proof in my genetic memory, and in all senses whenever they briefly awaken to those memories. Occasionally "modern science" throws me a bone, in the shape of "proof" of something I know via those unscientific direct-access pathways. Most of the time, however, the bones it supplies are plastic, gypsum, or otherwise inedible for someone whose senses and sensibilities are operational. A recent "proof" came my way in the form of a discovery by the scientific community of a powerfully psychedelic honey known to the locals high in the Himalayas. It is not accessible to people unless they are top level climbers, know where to look, know how to protect themselves, etc. -- this honey is one of the most expensive substances on the planet. Well, I wrote about it some fifteen years ago, though I never heard of it then and neither did the "scientific community." I remembered it... I remembered ceremonies where it was used, I remembered a sister mixing it with some paint and applying it to my face. As clearly as I remember today. Anyway... per my unscientific direct sources, our prehistory was paradise. Maybe not always and not everywhere and not everybody's. Mine was.

Thats wonderful Taomeow ! But first, I agree with your point about 'warfare', I have heard it first hand how some of the ancient people here had a 'war' ( and still do traditional fighting,' law keeping' 'punishments', at times ). Each has a different way and code, apparently a war is when two groups face off in two lines, one on one and each man only fights his partner, the line with more men left standing in it wins. But there is also stories of law breaking ( perhaps one of our greatest story heroes , Pemulwuy - The Rainbow Warrior - was a result of law breaking ), treachery ( Like ' 10 Canoes' - this is an classic ! ) .... also just down the coast from me is the 'Cannibal Woman' story . Two things with paleontology ; what you say about 'modelling' is something I presented at Uni as a paper. They hated it and failed it . I did some reconstructions and made the later skulls brutish . Some examples of modern 'brutish 'lookers', a sample of a Cro-Magnon reconstruction (from some book) pictured with bright blue eyes, conditioned hair blowing in the wind ... well, like a movie star, questions about how they decide to depict an ear lobe. Since then, I have seen some mainstream stuff now pointing out some issues there, and with Neanderthals . A totally different slant on it, years back I saw a doco on some loopy Paleontologist that was blathering about a dream he had on site they were working, about a Neanderthal woman coming to him. He was stuck by her beauty, and the communication. He drew some pictures that were magnificent ! His fellow workers thought he was a bit nutty,. I haven't been able to track that down since though.

I have long lived with the sense of eventually awakening in ´reality´ in much the same manner that I have become lucid in the dream state.

friends, I almost forgot that I made this thread, lol! I wanted to delete it as soon as I made it since I felt embarrassed. But it is a dilemma. To answer some questions, I know a lot of girls fancy me in my neighborhood and outside too if I....uhh..retain my seed. My house is two floors and with a terrace which has small room in the corner. Basically like a storage shed. I live on the second floor alone, two bedrooms there. I'm kind of scared to go to a girl's house. I don't live in a western country and people are kind of conservative here. About using protection....that's not much of an issue. Thanks to my breathing practice(in and out breathing), I have good control over bodily energies. IF you read my older threads...you can know. Right now though, I feel I can have lucid dream sex quite easily because my body mindfulness is unshakable. I feel I'd have to wait indefinitely(to get real life sex). Might as well just become a monk than forcefully trudge through the household life in hopes for a females love. My dad said the first thing he'd give me an apartment, when his business gets going again and my mom said she'd get me a wife at 25, if and when I get established by myself. thanks for responses

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In the universal womb that is boundless space all forms of matter and energy occur as flux of the four elements but all are empty forms, absent in reality: all phenomena, arising in pure mind, are like that. Just as dream is a part of sleep unreal in its arising so all and everything is pure mind never separated from it and without substance or attribute. Experience is neither mind nor anything but mind; It is a vivid display of emptiness, like magical illusion in the very moment inconceivable and unutterable. All experience arising in the mind - at its inception, know it as emptiness! ~ Longchenpa

I won't go off on a tangent about Cayce ... I dont see him or his methods as a valid source for investigating any reality about Atlantis ... already there is a big issue about his prophecy about Atlantis. I would rather concentrate on real evidence for or against Atlantis and not someone's dream visions. Many people believe he was exposed as a fake. I dont see how such a psychic can be counted as a reasonable reference. I am sure we will disagree on this point, however, I will offer the following; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce#Controversy_and_criticism The other side doesnt seem to offer much ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce#Reputation_for_psychic_abilities Yes, he may have done some healing and discovered some methods but his critics have some solid evidence against him . The way I look at this is similar to Steiner , I follow some of his agricultural stuff, and some of his educational theories are good .... but he is also an Atlantis believer , and because I have realised that is a crock of crap, I have no need to swallow the whole concoction of 'Steinerism' . These 'post Victorian' trance occultists 'saw' many similar things ... you know, we can track down the start of this phenomena and who started it ... the same way as we can track the 'Flying Saucer' phenomena . A good occultists IMO should not swallow hook line and sinker ... but investigate and update with the latests findings and research. Unless one is into retro occultism as a hobby or fashion ... I am into it as a curiosity ... but not as a part of my system. Not quite my opinions about Edgar Casey , A.R.E. , UFO/TV and other things were not formed before my experience of them, but after seeing what they put out .... also 'History' Chanel , Ancient Aliens ... etc . I did ' depreciate it a prior' because of my experience with those sources , but still, I went back, and looked and 'did my homework' as you said, didnt I ... and still I found the same old stuff, the fudging of the evidence, the wrong info, etc . This keeps happening ... after a while one gets tired of these badly researched but somehow popular for the masses sources. As I said, I prefer text, with notes and references to check up on. Funny ! But in this conversation, I represent the 'scientist' and the 'evidence based approach using the latest technology and learning' .... and the bishop donging the ' unbiased observer' on the head would be ..... ? Okay, best of luck next time you fly on a plane, drive a car, use your computer, turn on a power point .... Of course, that is the way science works ... as new research reveals new info the map is redrawn . What, we are supposed to stay frozen in some old scientific era ? That's a silly way to look at it and that is not at all how it works .... and I suspect you realise this . One thing, just one thing I will say here. I am not, nor is 'science' looking at some latests 'doctrine' or latest finding about the Bimini 'road' to decide whether Atlantis was out there in the Atlantic (and boy, would that have been some long road ! ) ... there are a whole range of other sciences to prove or disprove a continent or large island there ... like geology, the history laid down on the ocean floor, plate tectonics , etc etc . Another example is, I am interested in the PIE homelands as described in the Avesta ... I can come to no real conclusion on it as there is scant archaeological evidence for it . I have a romantic attachment to the idea, but 'scripture ' ( Avestas) isnt a real record. That evidence may arise in the future and then my romantic notions may have some validity. What is wrong with the development of ideas in this way ? Do you really think I am adopting the 'decal image of the latest doctrine' due to some prejudices I have ? Thats your perogative .... I think one would have to be clear on what is causing and motivating one's 'intuition' to give that, alone, precedence outside of 'empirical findings' . No, not generally, its just that early in my investigations into the occult and similar realms I hit upon the idea of 'scientific illuminism' using the principles of science to investigate occultism, instead of just believing what appeals to one, for whatever reason that may be ... its about getting a clear view, relatively removed from ones hopes and beliefs ... like that guy in your cartoon A new discovery like that, will of course lead to an expanded view on our history ... that is a very safe 'prophetic' bet .... I mean , that's already happened ! prophesy ... you're funny Great ! First up, can you answer my question above about the map of Atlantis you posted ; Are you claiming it represents some physical land in that location ? Just to be clear I will state my position on Atlantis ... its pretty much what the wiki article says, and what empirical findings show; " Atlantis is a fictional island mentioned within an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias, where it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges "Ancient Athens", the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato's ideal state (see The Republic). In the story, Athens was able to repel the Atlantean attack, unlike any other nation of the (western) known world, supposedly giving testament to the superiority of Plato's concept of a state. " What is you view on what Atlantis was ( or is ) ?

I personally love the humor of chuang tzu the point of consciousness where there is no me or you or butterfly dream, brillant anything that challenges the intellect is most awesome Tai chi chuan capitalizes on the point of consciousness where people are not aware of movement they see the beginning and end, change the end and one is a incredible boxer. As far as tai chi chuan not being a complete system the name itself exemplifies wholeness. It is born from Taoist philosophy and applied physically. IE not being a mental concept.

No, it's more like saying that the truth is often obfuscated by ignorant twats wankers. Unfortunately, political correctness usually precludes speaking that truth clearly even on the occasions when it's actually appropriate. However, to answer your question more fully: - There are several different (and possibly apparently contradictory ways) to approach this, which I'll illustrate by giving just three different answers. Bear in mind that there are many other possibilities and if we were discussing this in-person, we might use a process of iteration to facilitate your own innate ability to home into the most satisfactory answer for yourself (working on the assumption that your question is sincere)... Interestingly, the final answer would not come from me but from you and our honest interaction and the answer would belong to you because the act of sincere questioning is what produces any answer. Also, it's worth considering the view that an answer is a bīja (बीज) (as opposed to a concrete truth). In any case, questions and answers are a duality and not ultimate Truth. What I'm outlining here is an illustration of jñāna yoga. So...., depending on how I choose to respond, I could say: - 1. "Of course - do you imagine that I could do the work for you...?" or I could point towards the ephemeral nature of the (imagined) personal identity by saying: - 2. "Zhuang Zhou was a jnani who illustrated anatta with his parable about the butterfly dream". In this case, I'dbe asking you to challenge yourself because you'd need to deal with a lot of personal prejudice (not least your entirely understandable and justified prejudices about Buddhism). or: - 3. I could just keep my gob shut and watch you talk to yourself... BTW, did I ever happen to mention that I'm actually a (real-life) Buddhist...?

Galantamine is a prescription only medication used to combat the effects of Alzheimer's disease. As one of the side effects is hallucinations the dreams it may produce could be anything but lucid. The vomiting, nausea, abdominal pain and diarrhoea could also prove interesting whilst in the dream state. Galantamine Side-effectsvomiting, nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhoea, dyspepsia, decreased appetite, weight loss, bradycardia, hypertension, syncope, hallucination, depression, dizziness, tremor, headache, fatigue, malaise, muscle spasm, fall, laceration; less commonly retching, dehydration, hypotension, flushing, palpitation, arrhythmias, first-degree AV block, taste disturbance, paraesthesia, seizures, hypersomnia, muscular weakness, blurred vision, tinnitus, hypersensitivity, sweating; rarely exacerbation of Parkinson’s disease, hepatitis.