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You and God aren't separate. You are It. You are God manifesting this boredom. This too is part of life, it's just where you choose to be right now for some reason. You haven't always been bored, I'm guessing. You're looking for a Good Feeling, the green light. Maybe that green light means GO, in your dream. Maybe this means to get out of your head, if you are often in it, and go out and get your hands dirty, to actually plunge into the physical. I garden, that does it for me. We are pretty much hermits - and other than gardening and reading, there's not much we do any more. Looking for a Good Feeling is the part of duality that is counter productive, IMO. Embrace your ennui, see where it stems from - why you are reluctant to move out of it. There may be a fear lurking underneath - something from years ago - some advice your folks continued to give you, making you fearful of the unknown. Telling you to be careful all of the time, stuff like that. If there is something there, it is this dynamic that needs to be tweaked by taking action, even if you don't feel like taking action. Take it anyway and see what happens. Happiness isn't found by looking for good feelings. Rather, it's a by-product of the removal of the dross within us - the conditioning we receive from everyone from birth. If you truly want happiness, try becoming aware of the following within you: any desire to be first (in anything), any desire for more than you need, any judgment you may be making toward anyone in your life. Look at your selfishnesses, if you have any - and look at your opinions. When I first came to recover from my prior existence, I came to the conclusion that every conclusion I had ever come to was probably wrong. This was a humbling exercise, but it went a long way. I'm not one to recommend books, but I would do so here. Please give Eckhart Tolle a try. He has the most marvelous way of shifting all the responsibility onto ourselves, not feeling victimized by our feelings (although I don't get a sense that you're doing that - you're just being very, very honest). But if you don't change a dynamic within you that is 'choosing' ennui, it will not change. That green light is there - you just need to uncover it. Much love to you - and I wish you the very best. Thank you for sharing something that all of us struggle with from time to time. We just don't want it to become an attachment, a habit, a crystallized dynamic.
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Thanks Forest. Nice transition to an almost OT. Maybe I should move it to Trunk's thread. The "unconscious." I've been looking at this one and I'm starting to think it's really not as simple as is sometimes made out. Nor is it necessarily Freudian;-) I haven't come across any really great books (apart from Freud and Jung) on it either, so would enjoy some recommendations. If cognition is often (always?) selective (now based on what exactly would be a good discussion) then I was wondering if what we might commonly term "unconscious" is really just a sort of a reverse understanding of the things left out by our cognition? Or is it something else? And as conditioning conditions our cognition (and we desire to hang on to it whatever it is because otherwise we can feel very uncertain and we don't enjoy that feeling necessarily) then perhaps many more things get left out? Add language and people who are bigger and ostensibly "smarter" than you and who tell you what you're "really" seeing and we've got a winner. Except our awareness is still acting all the time, so we end up with a sort of a "knowing" despite the conditioning. And this in itself can cause more suffering, not because there is no us, but because we know what's going on but we don't (want to?) believe it (ok, maybe that's too strong?) So we make stuff up about it. Often about other people, often about ourselves. Or we let other people make stuff up about it, or ourselves. Before I lose the OP topic. Dreaming would seem to me to be one of those activities that might help us shed more light on what's going on in the waking state. Why we remember some dreams and not others. To actually be conscious inside a dream, knowing it is one is another feat I've only read about. And it seemed that this actually caused problems with the person's waking life because of the techniques they used to drop into the lucid dream state. Maybe this is where the line about the butterfly dreaming he was someone else comes in? Was it a joke about crazy meditation students;-) ?
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Well, I'm not a voice coach..and I have zero natural talent, haha. It took a lot of practice when I had that motivation as a teen. To be a good singer, or good with your voice in general, you have to be a good actor (really get into the role). Confidence is key, do not feel disheartened when you listen back a week later and don't feel the same about the work. Also, the genre you're expressing yourself through is a hard one to get serious about...as rap comes with a certain image to be portrayed. While working towards a dream is great, it's important that we find what we're more naturally inclined to. So finding your own style that suits your particular voice is crucial. Whereas it will be hard to go far in the hiphop world, I'd like to hear you using that unusual flow in some kind of spoken word. The emotion that youre putting into it will come out better this way (I feel). Don't let that stop you from rapping, but try to meet somewhere in the middle of rap and poetry..or a mix of both. As for the voice, it will relax and open with confidence and practice. Play around with different sounds and feel how they form via your throat/mouth/facial muscles. Find somewhere that youre able to blast it with 110% of your effort...until you literally have to stop because your chords are over strained. Even putting yourself into situations outside your comfort zone can help little by little...public speaking etc. Keep doing what youre doing. Write it, record it, perfect it...plan it thoroughly and above all BE in that moment with every word.
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Seeing, Recognising & Maintaining One's Enlightening Potential
C T replied to C T's topic in Buddhist Textual Studies
"You understand that all phenomena are false, but this does not help anything. This understanding, that everything is dream-like, illusory, unreal and false should be assimilated in your being. Without taking it to heart it becomes mere platitude. This does not result in enlightenment. "If you think that appearance and emptiness are indivisible, you should be detached from appearances. Are you? If you think that buddhas and sentient beings are indivisible, you should honor and serve sentient beings to the same degree as you would the buddhas. Do you do that? If you think, 'I will have no karmic ripening even if I engage in the ten nonvirtues,' you should be able to accept the ten nonvirtuous actions of others directed towards yourself - even if you yourself are killed. Can you do that? If you think, 'Even if I were to engage in the ten virtues there would be no benefit,' you should not have any sense of joy when you are benefitted by others who are practicing the ten virtues - even if your own life is saved. Do you? Now, go again to a solitary place and let your body remain like a corpse, let your voice remain like that of a mute and let your mind remain like the sky." ~ anonymous -
Methods to turn sleep into cultivation?
doc benway replied to Uroboros's topic in General Discussion
The OP does not want methods that emphasize lucid dreaming... Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche recently mentioned that he's thinking of writing a second volume related to dream and sleep yoga! -
there is an excellent book by Tenzin Rinpoche called The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep
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Actually, the crown chakra is contains way more than just "direct knowing" or higher intuition. The crown chakra looks like a bathing cap of petals. The petals are all pointing downwards. Each petal, (there are supposed to be 1008 of them..) contains its own siddhi. Direct knowing is just one of them. If you succeed in attaining a siddhi, that petal will point upwards. Up near the center of the head, closer to the top back inside the skull, there is a clear luminous space which can be seen internally after many hours of certain types of meditation, like visualizing a mantra while silently sounding it. This space is the source of all true intuitions. Beyond that space, about a foot above the head, there is a bright star. When knowledge comes from that space, it is always true. It is differerent from thought. It is much faster than thought. Bang, and you know something and you know that it is true. It came "from the top of your head". And, it is very hard to manipulate that space. You have to be "above" the normal thoughts that usually block or veil it. However, I wouldn't call that the third eye vision. When the third eye is open, not only can you see visions, faces and other planes, but if you close your eyes you can see the physical world through the third eye. The third eye resembles an orange red flaming peacock's feather and it sits what seems to be about 2 inches in front of the forehead from between the brows. When you look through it with normal eyes closed, people look like vaporous beings and most people have a large black flame emanating from their navel area. The crown is usually compared to the pineal gland and the third eye is sometimes compared to the pituitary gland. However, the whole third eye, when it is activated seems to be a structure that starts at the medulla area and progresses outwards past the center of the brows. Some say that it is the joining of the circuit between the pineal and the pituitary. That is what the Red Phoenix is supposed to connect (Kunlun). I did years of spinal breathing and even turned spinal breathing into a form of tummo, using the heated mixture (vase breathing) to perform spinal breathing (from the navel to the center of the eyebrows). It was Kunlun that opened up my third eye to the point where I could see the orange red peacock feather like eye beyond the forehead. It is really hard to open the third eye. For me it was a combination of all three practices... Butta shudi mantra, spinal breathing with heat and Kunlun. After a month or so, the novelty of being able to drive my car with eyes closed and the ability to see people as vaporous beings kind of wore off. Although it is very interesting, it doesn't make you enlightened. And there is nobody to talk to about it because I haven't found anyone who has had the same abilities and experiences. So, it can be confusing for most people. It is easy to visualize, to visualize and then jump into it like in a dream, or see faces and inner mind phenomenon and think it is the third eye. Maybe it is a partially open third eye. And there are so many mind functions that occur in roughly the same area of the skull. What is helpful is to spend allot of time watching the mind and learning the different traits of the phenomenon in order to distinguish between them.
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Split from The face of a guru - kindness versus emptiness
Tibetan_Ice replied to Karl's topic in The Rabbit Hole
You make jokes, but now I don't even believe that you know what one-pointed concentration is nor realize the implications of your declaration. If you could make your mind one-pointed for as long as you wanted, you would have accomplished all the jhanas, realized all the siddhis. If you could focus on awareness being aware of awareness (meditation without an object) for as long as you want, you would have accomplished what most people can only dream of accomplishing. There is something terribly wrong with what you say. -
Had a strange dream, infinite black and violet waters, as soon as a form would coalesce, it would shatter into fractals of itself, moving so quickly that my reasoning faculties could not lay hold of what I was witnessing, then without notice, three lights appear hovering above the waters, a transparent impression of a triangle, almost UFO like in quality, in fact all of this is more of witnessing a state, or process rather than anything solid, now what this triangle would do is keep the coalescing forms together, selecting and choosing, controlling what would appear on the surface of the depths, the trinity of lights would switch positions, different combinations, different forms correspond to the position of the lights. I awoke to a name, silence at 2am, void, then a slight wind strikes the wind chimes outside, it is the most melodious sound. Was I granted a vision of the abyss? Is the feared abyss of modern Thelema influenced western occultism the Anima Mundi herself, upon which the spirit of the Lord hovers, that is the Supernal Triad, the triangle wherein the eye emerges, and is this is a process that is continuously occurring, and we on earth only bear witness to a fraction of what stretches infinitely in all directions, beyond direction and time.
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Opening of the third eye and other byproducts along the way
Spotless replied to Spotless's topic in General Discussion
No - though I suppose sometimes dream reflexes and things like that. "Head spinning" does not strike any cord - what is head spinning related to? Actually I do have some jerks here and there and I have had a whole host of strange things happen - not so much in the "head spinning" category: It once I felt like I was about 4 feet tall very much centered in my Lower Dan Tein. When doing Qi Gong i sometimes get a twitch in my head/neck area. Today my eyes were teary for no reason and my nose ran - I am not sure if this is what a cold now feels like or what. In general I feel very light - when I close my eyes to meditate or just to enjoy the moment lights often flash lightly. I walk around very large now - living more in an energy field and not the physical body field of energy though it is contained within it.- 554 replies
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Split from The face of a guru - kindness versus emptiness
Tibetan_Ice replied to Karl's topic in The Rabbit Hole
You don't have a clue, do you? Emotional bliss is an emotion. It is an obscuration, like thought. I wouldn't even call it bliss in the non dual sense. Imagine you are a jawbreaker. At the center of the jawbreaker lies a state of ultimate bliss and clarity and a spot where reality wraps back around and encompasses all. A kind of portal or doorway to ALL. When it opens, golden light subtly appears. You can't see the portal because there are these layers wrapped around the center of the jawbreaker preventing you from accessing the center. So you start to lick the jawbreaker. You practice various methods, like shamatha, vispassana, Bodhicitta, ethics, single pointed concentration, awareness of awareness, seeking the self, kundalini yoga, raja yoga, turning the attention around to the self, observing the mind, dream yoga, etc etc. Sometimes you break through and get a glimpse of the bliss and clarity at the center of the jawbreaker. You become everything, the trees, the grass, other people... There is great love, silence and a peculiar water-like luminescent quality to everything. Then it goes away and you resume your "normal state". When you practice single pointed concentration correctly, you succeed in punching a little hole through the layers of the jawbreaker and you get a glimpse, a taste. But it doesn't last long because you are still licking the jawbreaker and the sauce fills the hole back up. So, you keep at it. You keep doing practices. You augment your understanding by reading books. You test various hypotheses and record their effects. You study the known greats like Buddha, Ramana, Jesus, and try to understand what they have said. Gradually, like water dripping in a rock, you wear away more and more layers of he jawbreaker, getting closer to the center. You have more mind blowing experiences which confirm that you are on the right path. But you don't settle for the experiences because they are just signs along the way. You want to reach the center, to taste the clarity, bliss, love, truth of existence. If you hold one form in your mind, one thought or visualization, one object or point of attention and try to maintain that one point you will eventually succeed in attaining one-pointed concentration. What happens is that there are signs which present themselves along the way up to the point where you succeed. At first, there are many distractions. Thoughts and emotions arise. Sensations, itches or pain in the body. Distractions. But you keep focusing on your object. You practice over and over again. You learn that there is tendency in the mind to start something up and then release it. The release distracts you and you are no longer focused on the object of attention. Then you learn that you must direct your attention and then sustain your attention. You develope or recognize another component of attention that monitors whether or not the attention is on the object of meditation or not. You try very hard and keep at it. One day you succeed in holding your attention on the object for one minute without interruption. You notice that the periphery or background surrounding the object gets brighter, like someone turned on a light. The noticing of the brightness distracts and you lose the stream of attention. So, you try again, and again and again. Then you get to the point where the background brightens up but you maintain your stream of attention on the object. Then, the object starts to brighten up. You can see more detail. You become very interested and notice that your mental vision of the object is like brilliant clear high res definition. It distracts you and you lose it. So you try again. Eventually, you get to the point where the background brightens up, the object of concentration becomes brilliant (a mental representation in the mind and then you experience bliss, better than any orgasm you've ever experienced. You merge into the object and then bounce back out to your normal state. You get up from your meditation and you wonder what that was. You notice that everything is shiny and beautiful. You could stare at the colors in the rug forever. The effect lasts for a few hours and then dissipates. That was samadhi. When you are in it, the senses have shut off. You cannot feel your body. You are no longer aware of any distracting thoughts or emotions. The obscurations are being held at bay. It is only temporary, but it gives you an idea what the center of the jawbreaker might be like. So, you keep at, slowly melting each layer of the jawbreaker and then maybe one day... Karl, in your case, you should quit clenching the jawbreaker in your hand, put it in your mouth and start sucking on it. You won't be able to talk while you are sucking away, but then, that might be a good thing. -
8. Learning To Live DREAM THEATER [images: Dream Theater] [Words: Myung] There was no time for pain No energy for anger The sightlessness of hatred slips away Walking through winter streets alone He stops and take a breath With confidence and self- control I look at the world and see no understanding I'm waiting to find some sense of strength I'm begging you from the bottom of my heart to show me understanding I need to live life Like some people never will So find me kindness Find me beauty Find me truth When temptation brings me to my knees And I lay here drained of strength Show me kindness Show me beauty Show me truth The way your heart sounds makes all the difference It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel The way your heart beats makes all the difference In learning to live Here before me is my soul I'm learning to live I won't give up Till I've no more to give Listening to the city Whispering its violence I set out watching from above The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found I fell in love to be let down Once again we dance in the crowd At times a step away From a common fear that's all spread out It won't listen to what you say Once you're touched you stand alone To face the bitter fight Once I reached for love And now I reach for life Another chance to lift my life Free the sensation in my heart To ride the wings of dreams into changing horizons It brings inner peace within my mind, As I'm lifted from where I've spilt my life I hear an innocent voice I hear kindness, beauty and truth The way your heart sounds makes all the difference It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel The way your heart beats makes all the difference In learning to live Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through nature's inflexible grace I'm learning to live
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In my approach to no-self I remember two distinct experiences. One was that I wasn't the body or mind, wherein a great bliss took over my body. Everything opened up to a possibility and inquiry of "what am I?" and "what is this?" For few days my body seemed to take on a whole new experience, I felt immune to suffering both physically and mentally, my mind seemed to suddenly let go of a clog of self-obsessed blockages, etc. This was about 2 and a half years ago. My second experience came when I came across the insight that there was absolutely no one here except for the experience and arising of phenomena. Oddly, it came when I was reading through Advaita stuff; that there was no agent of action, no will, just stuff happening. That there was nothing raining, just raining. This was about a year ago. Again my body convulsed with bliss, I sat in full lotus almost spontaneously for more than 30 minutes, which seemed impossible before since my knee joints couldn't handle even a minute or two. A lot of meditation and other insights and Kunlun happened, but the two above were ones having to do with the whole "self" fiasco. But I no longer fully agree with the "insight" I came across above. I don't think that is the right way to understand no-self teachings. After, I did not stop reading or contemplating, because something seemed amiss. It was probably because I came across no-self teachings through a "teacher" who was pompous and arrogant. I don't know. Something within me could not bring myself to disagree or agree. I'm still figuring it out. I personally believe that suffering is a necessary aspect of existence. People should dream if they like to dream and become enlightened only if they truly desire to. Earthly existence is good because it has a wide range of...everything. We should offer the possibility, but never educate without giving a choice. Egoic suffering is good in this sense. Just my 2 cents.
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Calling on the power of Mars
Nungali replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
But remember - there is a hidden 'weakness' ... in Mars. It is best dealt with as an impetus , very soon one has to hop trains and ride the energy invoked in a more stable form. In the Planetary Rites , this is symbolised by Sol's oration at the end of the Rite of Mars , when Mars voluntarily 'hands over' to the development of the energy to Br. 'Sol in Aries' ; [He turns and falls clasping SOL's feet. All prostrate themselves in adoration. SOR. SCORPIO plays her solar chant.] Papillon: Bohm. [sOL in ARIES recites] The world's great age begins anew,The golden years return,The earth doth like a snake renewHer winter weeds outworn;Heaven smiles, and faiths and empires gleam,Like wrecks of a dissolving dream.A brighter Hellas rears its mountainsFrom waves serener far;A new Peneus rolls his fountainsAgainst the morning star.Where fairer Tempes bloom, there sleepYoung Cyclads on a sunnier deep.A loftier Argo cleaves the main,Fraught with a later prize;Another Orpheus sings again,And loves, and weeps, and dies.A new Ulysses leaves once moreCalypso for his native shore.Oh, write no more the tale of Troy,If earth Death's scroll must be!Nor mix with Laian rage the joyWhich dawns upon the free;Although a subtler Sphinx renewRiddles of death Thebes never knew.Another Athens shall arise,And to remoter timeBequeath, like sunset to the skies,The splendour of its prime;And leave, if nought so bright may live,All earth can take or Heaven can give.Saturn and Love their long reposeShall burst, more bright and goodThan all who fell, than One who rose,Than many unsubdued.Not gold, not blood, their altar dowers,But votive tears and symbol flowers.O cease! must hate and death return?Cease! must men kill and die?Cease! drain not to its dregs the urnOf bitter prophecy.The world is weary of the past.Oh, might it die or rest at last! -
Hi Bindi, Sorry to come so late to this thread and I haven't read much of it so I apologize if I'm repeating or contradicting others. I think that people and traditions define and apply words and concepts based on their conditions and education. We can pretty much call awakening and enlightenment anything we like within a certain boundary. Also, it's important to recognize that while both words refer to a personal connection with a "state" that is unconditioned and non-conceptual, the words themselves and any associated activity are certainly conditioned and conceptual. When we speak of awakening and enlightenment we are not speaking of those states but our conditioned and conceptual ideas about them. That said, I'll offer working definitions that would apply if I were to discuss either concept. I would use the word awakening to describe an initial, personal connection with our natural state. I would use the word enlightenment to describe the complete and perfect integration of the natural state into all aspects of life. By my definitions, many people have experiences of awakening and few, if any, attain enlightenment in life. Of course, this begs the question, what do I mean by the natural state? There are so many ways to label and point to this and each tradition and individual has their own unique, preferred approach. While they are certainly not equivalent from our relative perspectives, they seem to be inspired by a common thread which has something to do with the wish or aptitude to go beyond the limits of human mentation and experience. I've met quite a few folks who have experienced awakening and the common thread among those I think are credible (eg - fit with my personal and biased idea of what that is) includes experiences of some of the following: profound and spontaneous joy, unconditional love for all things, loss of subject/object discrimination, feelings of profound connection to nature including other people, lessening of attachment to material things, revulsion to causing harm to living things, an experience that seems to transcend limits of time, space, birth, death, and personal identity, and so forth. Other, less extreme, characteristics of awakening include recognizing ignorance in things we once found important, finding ourselves progressively more open to things as they are rather than as we would like them to be, contentment and ease in our lives, a natural tendency towards kindness, and so forth. With the initial onset of awakening, these experiences can be extremely powerful and life-altering. With time the intensity tends to fade and the previous way of being tends to creep back in unless we are fortunate to find a way to stabilize and integrate the experience into our lives. For us to awaken, we must first be asleep. That state seems to be characterized by an identification with the contents of and experience of our mind and sensory experience. Transcending that identification seems to be at the core of waking up. Integrating that transcendence in a full, permanent, and perfect manner is what I would refer to as enlightenment. One of the practices I'm currently focusing on is dream yoga. The beauty of this practice is that it uses the waking/dreaming dichotomy as a template for working with deeper processes such as ignorance/awakening and life/death. The parallels are quite useful. Once we are awake, it is very easy to doze back off but I don't think we ever fall back to sleep completely. It shows us a way of seeing the world and a way of living that is more consistent with our fundamental nature. I think that this is where both the Daoist and Buddhist masters are trying to guide us (as well as the masters of all other spiritual traditions). Sorry for the long post and I hope it's somehow helpful.
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Calling on the power of Mars
Gerard replied to idiot_stimpy's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Walk the circle till you become enlightened. Hours and hours to no end, you either die or return to the Tao. Like that Taoist sage (Hao Datong, the Taoist Master of Eternal Reality)who was digging one cave after another in Huashan (Flower Mountain) because once he finished digging one a Taoist came along and borrowed it until he finally attained the Way. Dig, dig, dig...battle, battle, battle until you realise this is all a dream! -
Can dream sometimes be a birth in heaven? I think it can.
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It looks kind of familiar - perhaps just similar to many Chinese silk paintings I've seen. I have a recurring dream where a girl with blue hair leads me through the woods, and at the end, she disappears and I get attacked by a German Shepherd.
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good examples of how you can effect things from within the lucid dream state here. particularly being able to meet the darker, repressed side our ourselves with equanimity.
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what if you were to do cultivation work from within the dream, meditation etc? from what i've read it's possible to reach deeper into the subconscious here and dissolve blockages, let go of things, which is ultimately the aim of our cultivation anyway. you need a lot of lucidity for this though.
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to put the no-mustard on the no ham and no bread sandwich you didnt leave under your pillow ? ... no hang on, that was a dream ... or did I see it on TV ? One old guy to another : "The wife said ; 'What are you going to do today?' I said 'Nothing !' She said 'You did that yesterday!' I said , 'Well ... I haven't finished yet.' "
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Not at all. There could be all kinds of setups, from big business to cooperatives. At the end of the day someone has to work the sea and people will have to paid to do it. The result will be more fish, more production, more opportunity for businesses and cheaper fish for us all. How can it be a polluters dream ? At present companies can just dump chemicals, rubbish, destroy ocean beds, over fishing, have oil spills. All that would be reduced by private ownership. Having deep pockets is irrelevant. Wether someone has very little, or a lot, there capital represents the amount they have decided is important to them, they don't arbitrarily invest without a good return on risk.
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It ain't going to be homesteading if its $10 million per square mile. The 'security' is going to be extraordinarily expensive too. Ma and Pa won't be the main buyers, only people with big pockets will be owners. You assume the people who are causing the problem will almost magically go away if things are privatized. I don't follow that. Not only will the new boss, be the old boss, but he'll have no regulations or laws to keep them from the worst offenses. In this instance I see catastrophe. Small boaters, small fishing boats are screwed. The sea itself is filled with (invisible) no trespassing signs. Traveling the coast in a boat becomes a legalistic nightmare, maybe the skies above it too. People with very deep pockets own the coastal waters and can do with it what they want. With no laws or regulation its a polluters dream. Don't be so eager for change that you go from here to worse.
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I posted earlier siddhi's should be accepted but not desired. I try to contradict myself once a day, so let me say I desire 'powers' in dream work. From the simple memorizing of the multiple dreams at night, which is very doable, to lucidity and beyond; looking at and understanding other dimensions that may or may not be out there. In dream work is an oft forgotten but necessary step on the spiritual road. I'm haunted by a question Ron Jeremy once asked 'How will your practice help you when your dead?' I may be wrong but I suspect a possible answer lies with mastery of lucidity. Michael
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A chess game is won not by practicing end-game finishing techniques. It's won by one pawn push and simple piece trade at a time. Then when the board is less cluttered, if your early pawn game was strong, openings to mate start to present themselves. If you sit down to play chess intent on a 1st move checkmate, good luck. This is like sitting down and attempting zazen mind states without realization of the nature of mind, good luck! So much focus on end game, comparatively no intrest in clearing the board to a point at which it makes sense to even bother looking at end game practices. First live the basics (universal compassion, conclusion of fear-thought/attachment, foundation realizations etc). At this point every second of life is already so unbreakably beautiful and fantastic that looking for checkmate stops being a clinging want, and hence it becomes possible. Until the basics are the rock you live/sleep/dream/breathe, trying to move beyond them seems unlikely to yield more than delusion and frustration. If one meditates before recognizing the nature of mind, how can one know what they are perceiving isn't exclusively mind delusion tricks? If all the folks in the world today focused on chants or energy flow or scheduled ritual practice were instead to choose to spend that same effort towards living universal compassion to all living beings, we would be living in a world with a lot less suffering and a lot more realized beings then capable of begining a journey to enlightenment awareness. Unlimited Love, -Bud