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Like all of my dreams, they are very lucid and vivid. At the moment, I am trying to sort out my career issue. Looking for something long term and meaningful. Basically, in this dream, I was back at my old work place. I was with this company for a long time. But my work location isn't there anymore. It has been moved. Yet, I am dreaming about this same place. In this dream, I realized I don't work for this company anymore. Yet, I find myself going into this old place and getting ready to work. I even have keys to open the front door. While I was getting ready to work in this place and knowing that I don't work for the company anymore. Is a strange feeling. Is like you know what is happening and know how to do certain tasks but you know you shouldn't be there. In this dream, it was a quiet day and not much to do throughout the whole day (another interesting aspect here is that I was experiencing a whole full day of work in maybe 15 minutes to 30 minutes of dreaming). There was a staff with me and I was told that the upper manager is visiting. I got a phone call about he is visiting me. On the phone, I mistook him for someone else, a woman and my first upper manager. On the phone, he asked if either he or me needed a break. I said to him I needed a break since I was at work since the early morning. He finally showed up and his name is Mom or something sounding like Mom or Mont. I don't recognize him. I tried to explain to him why I was here, in the old work place....that I was trying to get a job with the company. At first, he didn't take me seriously until I told him about my work experiences. Is someone trying to give me a "break" in my future career path and I have to prove myself through my work experiences? Is my mind telling me I should go back to work for my old company?? Hahahaha... But the work location isn't there anymore. Or the dream itself is a metaphor for something representing something in my future? Why my mind is using my old work place to tell me something about my future? Obviously, in the dream, I was aware that I don't work for the company but somehow my mind is drawn back to it for a reason.

Luke, I think that this forum depends entirely on people saying honestly and genuinely what they think and feel about things. And being able to do so. I mean going back to core principles 'discussions on the way' between fellow travellers must be honest discussions surely? We practice various systems in order to cultivate ourselves which means being better people in some kind of way - even if we are at odds about this we've got to be free to express ourselves. I once knew a truly great teacher, one of the few people I've met I would call a 'master' - he was completely anti-vaccination. I remember asking him about this and him explaining the effect of vaccines on the subtle body - that night I had a dream in which he showed me mushroom shaped beings which he told me (in the dream ) were people's energy bodies and on them were brown patches which he said were due to vaccines. I know this is probably not your view ... and it's not mine either I take vaccines - most recently Covid but also Tetanus - and my spooky dream means nothing at all. But then again where the fuck are we if different people can't have different views and opinions? Is it ok for me to mention this dream and it's 'meaning' - is it ok to say some people don't want the vax? Will the state of California put me in prison - what kind of ideological purity hell do we want anyway? ... I have no idea where I am going with this just trying to be supportive of you and your presence here ... and just digging a hole ...

Has anyone seen this place? I saw it in a lucid dream, swimming in the river toward it, a red temple hidden in the mountains. A rough image I made of it.

Hey all, maybe some of you guys can help me out interpreting this whole experience. I've been practicing Tien Tao Chi Kung lately, and I`m following Roger Hagood's advice of gently focusing on the lower dantien throughout the day. Two nights ago I laid to sleep at night and focused on my dantien till I got to sleep. after spending a whole day focusing on the dantien it's almost sure that a night it'll be vibrating full of chi, and so it was. All of a sudden my whole body was paralized (the all common night paralysis). But this time it was different, all my surrounding was vibrating and I was slowly falling as if I was sinking in the deep sea. I had a desperate feeling with it. Suddently I was in a very vivid dream, but the details were not that important. I woke up all of a sudden, in one violent grasp of air, as if the whole dream happened whilst my lungs were empty. ------------ Next night, same procedure, went to sleep and focused on my LDT till night closed my eyes. I started dreaming... In this dream I was in a soccer field... there was a wrestling team with powerfull men training and being led by a coach... I passed by in admiration, laid down on the grass at a distance of their training. There I entered the "whole body paralysis" again. Yes I was within the dream this time. The paralysis was intense with all the vibration sensations over my body., is was particularly intense in my LDantien, this focus point then rose spontaneosly to my crown, where it started to emanate a sound as if of a waterfall. I was freaking out, very scared. Why was that sound emanating from my crown where my intent got stuck? I suddently woke up from the paralysis, I but I still was in the dream... I woke up still in the soccer field thanks to the coach of the wrestling team who was directing water at my body with a hose in an attempt to "wake me up". Apparently the sound emanating from my crown point was nothing less than the sound of the water striking it from his hose. The whole fighter team stood around me, looking at me in shock and fear. "Geese" said one of them "I surely didn`t want to be in your skin". I told them all how I admired how they represented courage and strength. Then I really woke up from this dream, in my bed... also with a sudden grasp of air, as if it all happened while my lungs were empty. During the whole morning my respiration was very gentle, almost nonexistent, may be too gentle, I don'y know. ----- But all those experiences freaked me out, it`s too terrifying. I don`t know if it was triggered because the air here is too dry or if it`s because of over practicing qigong. but if it was due to over practicing chikung it would probably be an Excess symptom in traditional chinese medicine, and my breath was actually very, very gentle, which actually looks more of a deficiency symptom. or maybe it has to do with shen.. I don`t know! But I surelly would really want to know why it is happening and what is happening energetically. I had it before, but it passed away gradually, even though I continued practicing. ----------- Doen anyone have more information about this phenomena? Anyone knows how to interpret dreams? That would be great too... Thanks alot my brothers. ----------- When it happened I was sleeping under alot of covers, and the weather is getting hot in Canada, the sun hits my apartment directly all day long, so there is alot of solar energy in the place. I passed the last 2 -3 days with this very gentle respiration, and feeling very warm on my skin.. warm and stuffy, almost stale, the air I`m breathing is feeling a little stale too. I`ll sleep with my windows open. for some reason I thing it can be related to the sun, the warmth and the dry weather.

not sure if this is of use to anyone, but thought I would put it out there anyway. as some of you may have seen from my posts, i'm quite interested in the whole tonic herbs thing. have been experimenting with various combinations of herbs/tinctures before bed time and seem to have narrowed it down to a formula that works every time. obviously mileage may vary and you'll need a decent amount of waking lucidity/awareness (namely a meditation practice) as a starting point, as with any method of trying to bring on lucid dreams. nonetheless i've found this to be very effective. two tinctures: dragon herbs supreme shen - lead herb asparagus root http://www.dragonherbs.com/prodinfo.asp?number=015 dragon herbs purple reishi http://www.dragonherbs.com/prodinfo.asp?number=039 you'll want about 2:1 reishi to supreme shen. good amount is 1 and 0.5 droppers, ranging up to 2:1 full droppers. for some reason the purple reishi is much more effective at bringing on lucid dreams than the red type. take just before going to bed, happy dreaming!

I've had this rather embarrassing problem lately, which is that I get very frightened at night before going to sleep. I feel encroached upon in the darkness, and like someone or something else is nearby, lurking in the shadows... lol Anyway, I've also had almost a week straight of the same basic dream. There is something or someone unfamiliar lurking around the house, but I can never seem to catch him. He's very sneaky. Last night I decided to wear my socks to bed. I'm not sure why. I never do this. They just felt so damn good. And I had the feeling they would help me keep some of my energy while sleeping, as I often fall too deeply into rest and have a difficult time turning back on. Anyway, I slept better and experienced the following: Last night in the dream, I actually caught up with this guy - the man lurking in the shadows. I don't remember how I got outside, but I was in my front yard when I saw him running through some bushes. I haven't left the house yet in this series, so that stood out as significant. It was night time but the street was well-lit by some imaginary street lights my mind set up. I followed the guy until we were on the boarder of the yard and the street. He was holding something like a cane/umbrella and pretending it was loaded with some kind of bullet or magic dart, and he was threatening me with it. He was standing by something like a transparent blackish-silver hearse that I barely took notice of - I'm not even sure it was there. But I noticed that he was holding my dog, Picasso, protectively. He was basically kidnapping my fucking dog. I didn't fight him or anything, our confrontation was largely energetic. I contemplated him and his weapon and He seemed to be on some megalomanic trip of esoteric proportions. I felt that all he could really do is delay the inevitable: that he was to fuck off, apologize, grovel, and give back the dog to me. I drifted out of the dream at some point, without any particular conclusion, but with a very happy feeling that I had found this fucker who has been causing me sleep anxiety every night. No idea what it means.

Further reflection on Cheshire Cat's comment on the Sex with a Dakini thread regarding the possible scam that dream yoga is: In a more traditional Vajrayana setting, dream yoga has never been propagated as a stand-alone practice. It requires gradual layering (not sure if this sounds right, but thats the feel of it anyway) where one practice folds seamlessly into another, and another, and so on. Some of the modern approaches available today are, as you say, scams at best. Its even irresponsible and careless to encourage anyone to DIY and experiment with the outcomes. Milam is impossible to learn from books, just as one cannot learn to cook from reading a recipe manual, or learn to drive from watching a youtube instructional video. Or carry out dicey repairs of any kind, for that matter. One can always make the attempt, sure, but there are potential pitfalls that, fortunately, only an experienced instructor can point out. At its best, a manual will make you the best facsimile there can be, but to attain authentic results, a teacher's guidance is key to mastery. Confidence is vital because one builds the practice from that space. This saves time and energy. The practice of dream yoga or milam is an excellent one because dreams don't lie. An authentic teacher is useful as he or she will keep the student honest. In Milam, either one is able to actualize a fully pregnant dream mandala ready to bestow realizations, or not. Unless one practices without guidance, delusion can be allayed. If the mandala does not gradually crystallize in one's dreams, to say it does is just dishonest. Instruction manuals don't help much because the 'construction' of a mandala is unique to the individual practitioner. And because of its intricate nature and precise designations of where each pure being 'sits' within the mandala, a teacher will know instantly the maturing level of a practitioner (of milam/dream yoga). The perfection of milam is the assurance that, upon reaching the bardo of dying, there will be no fear because the visions that follow at the onset of the bardo of death will not be different from the bulk of auspicious visions cultivated in dream yoga. Milam is where the actual power is cultivated, because in the fluid nature of the dream state, one can assume any and all of the qualities of Samantabhadra, & Karmamudra practice is where this power, when accessed propitiously and thru the enlightened activity of the Dakini, enjoins the wisdom nature of Samantabhadri. This entwining of the essences is symbolised by the sun (Samantabhadra) and moon (Samantabhadri) in perfect union. For a female practitioner, its reversed, so milam is where wisdom is cultivated, and the full actualization of the perfection of the path unfolds in karmamudra. I have no experience or insight with milam as promulgated by other traditions, or whether they employ a similar approach of working with their own mandala-like symbols. If not, then I have no idea how these traditions measure progress with their work.

I just like sleeping, because it allows us to rest. When I am tired. And I want to let go and sleep, it is because I am always wanting to be naturally good. I enjoy the ease and comfort in sleeping. And just letting everything be ok as it is, for the night as for the day. As there are some who also allow everything to be as it is good when they are awake. Like some or many animals. Who never sleep and they just allow everything to be ok as it is. And I also allow them all to be ok when I sleep. And many times in my dreams I meet people or I hear and see things that I've never seen before. And I wonder, how amazing, that I can experience new things, even when I am with my eyes closed. But mostly I enjoy the rest of sleeping. And the rest of and in sleeping. I often feel allot better when I rest and let go. And I am able to rest and let go. And fall into deep sleep. And when I wake up, I also enjoy the restfulness of being in that moment of completely allowing everything to be as it is and I just feel like nothing has to be done in that moment of enjoying my natural awakening, I don't even have to open my eyes. For here and now I am, and I allow everything to be exactly as it is. And I feel good, and often I see or hear things, even when my eyes are closed. And I allow that to be ok. Sometimes I think I am looking at my own bed when I lie awake with my eyes closed. Only to realise, my eyes are already closed. And I see and enjoy allot of different perspectives of my own same room that I am in in my waking dream aswell. And I allow that to be ok. It doesn't matter what I see or not see. So I allow myself to see whatever I see, when my eyes are closed or not closed. I enjoy these wakeful restful moments of experiencing restful and wakeful moments, because it is free of any need. It doesn't matter what happens, I don't feel like there needs to be happening anything. I just allow whatever is happening to be happening. And often what is happening in the dream, just happens because it hasn't been capable of happening in the waking state. And often in the waking state what is happening is because it hasn't been capable of happening in the dream state. They are both very good in their own way. They can always be allowed to be how they are as they are. No need to understand why or how or when or where. It is just what it is. And our perspective is also how or when or why. I can be enjoying my restful wakefulness and I can enjoy a greater comfort in being awake and enjoying my waking life and then I also enjoy my sleeping life aswell more. And the other way around aswell. I also enjoy my life more when I enjoy my sleeping more. And I appreciate my restful sleeping more aswell, and then I wake up more restful, and I feel restful when I then also have more energy and vitality, and then I feel even restful when I am running or just fully living my life and going about my waking life. Sometimes I wonder if good things will happen in my waking or daily life, because I have been experiencing good things happening in my dreaming life. And often what happens there are many similarities if you remember how they feel in your dreams, and then recognize how they feel in your waking life, you can see corrolations of what you dreamed and what's now happening in your waking daily life. And often when I think about something good happening, and it is happening, and I feel excited for what I now enjoy more in my life I also see it in my dreams more, and then when I wake up, it doesn't necessarily have to happen, unless I enjoy the dream then I also allow to happen. And I don't even need to remember the dream. Just enjoy whatever I enjoy in my waking life aswell. Cause I am therefor awake after all. There are many things I do enjoy and want in this life to experience. And they are always so close to who I am and where I am the people I know in my life. The people whom I love so much and inspire so much love from within me. I feel they are a special value for me. They also recognize that. And they also feel that for me. Sometimes people are in your life even they are not in your dreams or your waking life. They still inspire you. And you may wish them to come into your life. And it doesn't have to happen, but I do enjoy those kind of people. For what they inspire within me when I think of them. It is like a day dream that exists between the waking and sleeping life. One where you can choose whatever dream you want to dream in your waking and sleeping life. And therefor in your joy, you come closer to it evermore. And sometimes, just thinking of these things, is because you enjoy them, because they also enjoy you. It is part of your nature. We can enjoy things that seemingly don't exist. But they still can mean allot of value for you evermore. It is not about all the things and dreams. For when you are fully conscious, you decide always why you enjoy what you enjoy so much evermore. And thus, you look back in your life and you remember why you wanted this life. What inspired you to make the decisions you did, it has always been for a good reason. And consciously thinking of all those good reasons and remembering again what you love so much, brings so much clarity to who you really are and also want to be the everbecoming of evermore. Then you can simply allow yourself to enjoy whatever you enjoy thinking about and focusing on, and evermore allow yourself to dream what you enjoy to dream evermore, because you also allow yourself to live what you enjoy to live evermore. And so the dreams reflect that, and so the waking life reflects that aswell. And so your feels reflect that aswell. Because all that you have ever been, has only been because you are now who you now are. And what you enjoy, is part of all of that, and now that you can enjoy it, is also why it has always all been and will be evermore. So allowing that to be ok, that is ok unto itself.

I wanted to tell about an experience that IIRC I had once or twice before, and maybe some dream/sleep/consciousness experts can give some insightful input. I woke up, after relatively little sleep. Wasn't sure whether to get up (tired) or continue sleep (didn't feel like falling asleep either). So I turned the lights on and after a while happened to fall asleep anyway. Then I was (apparently/probably) dreaming that I was trying to move / get up. I grabbed the alarm clock, wanting to read the time, but couldn't read what it showed because (I thought) my eyes weren't really open. I saw enough to grab the clock, but I felt so incredibly tired that trying to open my eyes was a futile struggle. Then I woke up and I was in exactly the same position as when the 'dream' started, before I grabbed the clock. The room, the lighting, it was all identical in dream and reality. The supposedly last thing I saw before falling asleep transitioned right into the dream state. But naturally I don't exactly remember the moment of falling asleep, so I'm not sure whether I moved at all during sleep. My position suggested that none of the arm movements transitioned into the physical. It was interesting, and as I said, I had this phenomenon of reality bleeding into the dream state before, apparently triggered by falling asleep again with the lights on.

Hello. I just had quite an intense dream and wondered if anyone could tell me a bit about it. Background Information about myself (feel free to skip): I have recently started meditating and am a beginner. However I have had (at least this is what I think they are) lucid dreams for many years before I started meditating. They were paralysis dreams where I dream I am lying in my bed but cannot seem to move. I always used to try and wake up by rolling off the bed or something but I always reappeared in the same spot if this makes any sense at all. It was such a mission to break out of my sleep and such a relief when I did. I believe this all started many years ago when I was around 16 years old. My Grandpa had died and 2 weeks later my uncle (who I had never met before but who always wanted to meet me) died as well.This possibly sparked my first spiritual experience where I had paralysis in my sleep about a week later and I heard this voice was calling out my name. It was very creepy at the time and I didn't think at all that maybe it was one of their spirits contacting me, although in retrospect I think that is likely. The next night, I had a dream where I had a premonition about my own death and instantly had instense dream paralysis in my room. Then this black blotch appeared near the upper corner of the room and started growing and growing. It felt like death was coming to take me or something. If anyone has any interpretation on this, it would be appreciated but not altogether too important since it was so long ago. Since then I have had sleep paralysis on a regular basis but it has become less intense. It used to feel like there was this strong force pressing my whole body down before, but I don't get that anymore. It's much less dramatic now, but sometimes I feel like this force is attaching on to a part of my body which really prompts me to try and wake myself up as it's quite unpleasant. It's usually on the middle parts of my body. Sometimes a force squeezing my sides or something attaching onto my back. The experience I want to ask about: So, I was meditating today and did about 40mins. I am currently trying to work on microcosmic orbit channels. Then I went to sleep straight after meditation. I just plopped onto my bed. This was in the afternoon. I was dreaming just a regular dream, but I was quite aware I was dreaming. Then suddenly the setting changed to me being sprawled on a carpet and there was an intense vibration. It was quite a quick frequency. Not like an earthquake or anything. More like a phone's vibration, except it wasn't pulsing. I think it was everywhere at first (around the room and my body), but then I think it changed to mainly being in my throat and mouth area. This got me quite alarmed at first. But then I calmed down and I appeared in my room lying on the bed in the paralysis state again. There was vibrations for a short bit but stopped, at which point I just tried to get myself awake again as usual. This may have been accompanied by a few pleas of help to god during the vibrations with any strength that I had. . I'm wondering was this some detrimental affect of going to sleep straight after meditation or perhaps it has no spiritual connection.

Did the Sun come up this morning, or is the world in my head. I never leave my head. I apparently walk around this planet, but actually although I see things "out there", my consciousness and perception always is occurring within my head. So did the Sun actually come up this morning, or is it a shared dream running in my head. Is sunlight, light, daytime .... does that exist, or is it something we have chosen to share in our collected dream ? And why did we choose day and night, in this dream ? Does it represent something fundamental, so that when you dream you would naturally dream such a dream ? If the world is inside my head, then where am I actually ? Do I have a body or is that another dream ? Is the body and world a dream sent to me to develop me ? If I co-create it, is it more like I create 1% the 99% is provided for me ? And the goal of this whole scheme is ... what ? So that I develop myself and do not need a dream anymore ? So that I can live in the bare reality unsupported ? So that I can live in the invisible reality ?

I sincerely support you in your dream. When you get there, don't forget about us mortals, OK?

To each their own, I meant. My dream aligns with my personal wish(become self-reliant by becoming strong). I won't pretend to be enlightened, to wish for more abstract and perhaps morally correct paths. I'm still very much a normal person with normal desires.

The unreachable dream will help center me on a path that on the long run will be beneficial for my own growth as a person. The woes of ADHD and other issues demands outstanding motives to focus on. What's more outstanding than seeking to become a powerful immortal?

I know. I want to believe but I also was taught to not be naïve.I am open minded but I reserve myself the right to judge after I learned more or experienced more. Funnily enough it isn't even about that. I simply feel like I have no real interesting goals in life aside the usual of living well and doing stuff I like. This is not only a motivator for me to train to go after the power I seek(the power to be self-reliant) but it also makes my life more exciting. It's good to have "lofty" goals.They add flavor in life regardless if you achieve them or not. My dream is above the skies but my methods will be rooted on the ground.

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No - that wouldn’t be very Daoist now would it There’s several layers to both the Hun and the Po… If one or the other is out of balance it creates issues. The Hun on a base level has all these plans and tries to dream up all these things it wants to do… that motivation in your career… that dream to go sailing in the Caribbean one day etc - that’s the Hun. The Po on a base level is about attachment and holding on. Attachment to identity - personal ‘style’ or fashion sense is a very Po thing… political beliefs is very Po… attachment to family and loved ones and home and sports team etc etc. But there’s a deeper level to both the Po and the Hun - which only comes as a result of balance and harmony between the two (and the rest of elemental aspects). On a deeper level the Po is what keeps you incarnate in our physical world. It’s what allows our soul to grow and transform. The Hun is what keeps an essential aspect of you intact in between lifetimes… one is the earthly aspect of Soul and the other is the heavenly aspect of Soul… When out of balance, the Soul is completely will not shine through. An extreme example of lack of soul is addiction - as you mention… that ‘dead behind the eyes’ look is the complete absence of soul. But in Daoism what’s considered addiction is actually pretty subtle… any habitual identification is an addiction… preference for comfort over discomfort is considered an addiction for example. Preference for being alive over dead is an addiction… preference for being one thing rather than everything is an addiction. Obviously there’s a sliding scale to addiction. And the denser and more base it is, the more it strangles out the soul. I’m sorry but I disagree. The human heart has a great deal of depth… art, beauty and sensory pleasure… something like the smell of your baby… or an amazing performance… a comforting hug- it all can indeed touch you very deeply. But that’s not Soul and not Spirit… These things exist on a completely different layer of ‘You’. I know we have a colloquial understanding of soul (like an authentic musical expression is said to have soul)… but this just a much deeper layer of mind/emotion than normal - it’s great - but it’s not soul in the sense that it’s not your Original Self… The original self does not react to beauty or ugliness - it radiates acceptance whatever the circumstances - it’s not moved by music because it’s always ‘moved’ by everything. It’s a really different sort of experience to the normal or even the very special experiences we have in life.

Ok, this may seem childish, but I had a dream yesterday and wanted to know if it meant anything. I am not new to dreams and I like them quite a lot, but this one I dreamed about a buddha statue. I dreamed that I was outside and it was raining a lot. On the ground in the mud, I found a little buddha statue, a little more in height than my outstretched hand. The buddha was a standing figure and on the neck of the buddha was a chain attached and at the end of the chain was a shovel. Both chain and shove were not made out of gold contrary to the rest. When I picked up the statue I marveled at it's beauty. It seemed it was radiating a brilliant glow. In my dream I thought that it would look beautiful in my bed chamber. When I woke up this morning and remembered the dream, I was a little sad to find that no there was no buddha statue in my room. This was the first time I ever dreamed about something buddha related and throughout a lot of the day yesterday I chanted "Namo ami tuofo"

This was a profound read for me. I find what he was able to convey in such simple words to be remarkable. ~SIDDHARAMESHWAR MAHARAJ The worldly illusion [samsara] is a dream within a dream. Having understood this, indeed you have thought of what is the real Truth and what is not. The One who is never born went off to sleep. He has no old age. He is one who has no death. How is it that a dream was seen during a dream? That is, "he slept and dreamt" means He is deluded. "He slept" means he has become ignorant and thinks "I am the body, I am so and so." Reality was covered with ignorance and in that delusion there is again delusion, which is this mundane existence. It is a dream during a dream. The worldly illusion appears true. He was all pervading, He became small. Then he considered the worldly existence as true. In that very dream, he discriminated between Guru and disciple, merit and sin, and what is true and what is untrue. Other people pass away in this dream. It is a piece of great fortune to think of what is true and what is untrue during this long dream. "Even a dog does not eat a thing which belongs to a sinner." Renunciation of wealth, feeling of detachment and respect for a saint is the result of former merit and good fortune. He alone starts thinking of a sadhu. It is extraordinary to have such an intellect in the dream within a dream. To be conscious to be fully on senses, inspite of taking a doze of brandy shows that though money brings demonic pride, he still is on his senses. This is his good fortune. He is in a dream within a dream. But on account of his virtuous intellect he went to a Guru and discriminated between the True and untrue. He got the experience that everything else is false and "I am Reality". This means that he has woken up from one dream. When in this dream he deliberated again he came to the further conclusion that even saying "I am Reality" is false – the whole world and words are illusion. As a result he became tranquil by staying in his own blissful state. Truth was revealed. He fully realised "I am Reality." This condition means "I am fully awake." Not only the delusion but also "I have experienced" vanished. For if one says that he has experienced the Self, it means that he has taken himself to be different from the Self. The real test is when the self has no sense of "I". If the mango says, "I found myself sweet", then it is not a mango. If you say that "you had an experience", that means your "I", ego is still there. The idea that "I had an experience" is a delusion. The "I" in "I have become knowledgeable", or "I have become Reality" is ego. The former "I" should disappear. Whatever was before naturally is Reality. The thorn "I" has to be extracted, then you are through. When you become all-pervading, you become Reality. The sense of "I" disappears. It is One only and there is nothing else than That. To go beyond nothing is to be in thoughtless Reality.

Timely synchronous sharing. Thank you. Dreamless awareness and lucidity within objectlessness has become a regular unfolding lately... initiating in the hour of 3am as awareness arises out of deep sleep, the body remains asleep and awareness abides objectlessness in presence. An immersive dreamless dream, while lucid. This topic as a whole, but this passage and your sharing in particular emanate penetrating harmonic resonance to what has unfolded as the pivotal anchor of my process in recent years, (deeply grateful folks take their time to share here. These shared markers along 'the pathless path' are invaluable to me). TWR and his book on Tibetan Sleep and Dream Yoga's has been an enduring and penetrating catalyst for major shift in my process from the moment it veritably leapt off the shelf into my hands years ago. Particularly in the aspects of the waking dream state and the oscillation of immersion versus lucidity within and its mirrored aspects in sleeping dreams. I've been a lucid sleeping dreamer since childhood. Now with increasing inertia, these processes have begun to mirror in waking awareness as well. Lucidity within the waking dream was always gnawing at the edges of my field... but this blossoming and its more recent accompanying experience of the objectless was wholly unanticipated and its affect on all layers of waking and sleeping dream awareness is... well beyond my words. Thankfully, TWR through the lense of the Bon tradition (juxtaposed with the varying perceptions shared throughout the entire conversation and accompanying notions of Maya projections) illuminates resonant kinship and foundational recognition with my experiential process, to beneficial release. Long winded way of saying... thank you, much kinship is experienced in this sharing.

I have to read up on it more. I have been getting guidance with various female beings and the dreams have certain spiritual quality in them.

As far as lucid dreams go, that is kind of a long story. I did not intend to have lucid dreams, and at this time, i feel that most folks who have a daily long term meditation practice will have the same kind of lucid dreams. nothing special. Real and unreal are only thoughts, not good, not bad. What IS, this suchness, is beyond our logical understanding, from what I have seen so far. When we have dreams that are not lucid, we believe that we are living in the real world at that time, then we wake up and either laugh or cry because the dream is over. This life for me, is now much like a lucid dream. Or what I call a semi-lucid dream, where I play the story of the dream, until it starts to go a direction I do not wish it to go, then I either change it , or start over. For me, this so called real life is like this. I love it, I love playing the part, and do not see it as "unreal" or real. for me it is all one thing. hard to explain. One of the stories I tell about lucid dreams, is one I had a few months or years ago, (time is weird) , where I had the classic dream that i was naked in a room full of people. and like this common dream, I was the only one who knew I had no clothes on. So knowing it was a dream, i thought. "this is a very common archetype dream, that most folks have, so I am going to shake things up a bit:".......... So I stood there buck naked and started to yell at everyone, "Hay, Look at me, I am standing here completely naked"... everyone ignored me except one man, who started to laugh at me. I walked up to him and stuck my hand into his chest, and he dissolved into a kind of brown smoke. the very second I did that, I felt that I did something very wrong...... Now I knew that this was a dream, and I thought that i was playing, but the second I took that "life", I felt the same way I did when I had to take other lives in this "real" world. have not come to terms with this, but know it was something more than "just a dream".. so not real, not unreal. that is as close as i can get to explaining.

Do abrahamics even believe in god is the question. It’s seems to be abrahamic religions unsaid quest to end the earths life for the sake of business. I’ve recently had a dream and spoke to Jesus on the matter and the response is probably biased seeing how it was dream but made a wild load of sense. This is what Jesus said to me ”those who believe solely in me and not in my father shall also suffer the furry of hell, not only in this life and the lower regions of the after life. But In the heavens itself” I don’t know 🤔 that kinda shook the shit outta me I wouldn’t even consider myself a part of the church but then again I’ve also had dreams of vajrapani explaining to me that my tribe’s trickster god was also a being like him and that’s the reason I’ve been drawn to the interest of kung fu qi gong etc….from what I got out that. My tribes trickster is like a holy yaksha?….big head scrawny limbs big belly.

We seem to have many members interested in dream work. I'm imagining a Tao Bums Dream school. There'd be a live chat 3 days a week. Tues, Thurs and Sunday, at 10:00 Central Standard time(?). And perhaps its own PPF. Dreams, books and techniques would be discussed. Is there interest in it. I would be. Particularly if we had a good leader. Or a leader could evolve, or it could be leaderless. There'd be reminders of it on the 3 nights it went live. Any interest?

What is really funny about one of my personal favorite lucid dreamers. Is that he was always shy. And actually always saw great sexual freedom in the idea of lucid dreaming. For example, many people explore lucid dreaming, because they firmly believe, and not without sensible reason, that they will never get to experience the idea of kissing someone they love. Once upon a day, which was absolutely hilarious to me, and literally impossible... Is that I saw that shy guy, found somehow someway, through his ability to carve out a pathway through his physical reality dream, with the help of his ability to feel the excitement of lucid dreaming and play out his excitement in his physical reality, literally, pretending as best as he possibly could, that his phyical reality was a lucid dream, through many rituals of practicing daily his ability to physically dream, in order to find the safest sex possible, one where he could even explore his sexual desires fully. And thus, I see him literally in a porn movie. He was about as parmanently virgin as one can get. And he completely shifted, overnight, instantly. Power of dreaming awake, manifesting what you expect. You have practiced it so long, that it becomes easy to recognize the very thing you seek. The thing to note is that his joy led him to the path of least resistance towards his full manifested desire. A version that is actually most likely to happen. One that agrees with his actual virgin nature. Otherwise the experience wont actually happen physically in your dream either. Literally. The moment you dream it, it is possible. Otherwise, For example, the person turning into clay in your dreams. As some people dream. And then they desperately try to make the clay real again in their dreams. Cause they didnt follow the path of least resistance of joy, that could show them the most likely path of something actually happening, dream and reality! Dreams will never become as real as this dream. This physical time space reality is the furthest most extension of all conscious thoughts thought upon long enough in order to expand into vision, imagination, feeling, dream, reality, etc. Is there a reality above reality? Who knows.