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my understanding of it was that the person becomes karmically inoperative, ie they have destroyed the subconscious mind and removed all grounds for negative reactions, no rebirth. they may seem normal at surface level but beneath that all everything flows freely through them without any attachment or aversion. this is the culmination of seeing through things to the extent that the mind recognizes there is no grounds for any type of clinging. from what i can gather, direct perception of impermanence is a big one for relinquishing the last parts of our stuff and seeing into past lives doesn't hurt either. whatever it is it seems to require a great deal of concentration in order to be able to see clearly enough. seeing right through to the basic ground/clear light and cessation of all formations. i was told the awakened experience is like in the clear light dream, which is my only direct point of reference. light is coming out of everything and it seems like the mind is everywhere at once. it probably isn't quite that overwhelming if you're used to it though in terms of teaching, of which i have limited experience, some things seem to ring true at a deeper level. especially as far as transmission goes, with reactions occurring out of nowhere. recognition at a much deeper than intellectual level. these are the kind of things i take away as truths, experiences beyond my understanding, or understanding at all. and then the superpowers. being aware of this type of stuff going on was probably as big a factor as the teaching itself for getting me on the path. not that it means anything by itself, but it certainly demonstrates that enlightenment or attainments/realization are a thing if those kind of things are possible. eg taking other people's minds as objects and being able to place energy there.

Thank you I will try to clarify what i wrote, it can be fun trying to express this stuff. There is this danger, yes. Spiritual bypassing maybe? I fell into that trap I think for a number of years. I think the key for me has been the ability to be very honest with myself, and ask 'am I still suffering? Am I still chasing after shit (or avoiding it) in the hope it will make me happy?' (which includes chasing after spiritual shit haha). It depends which 'self' this is in reference to. Is it the ever-changing ego self, or is it the changeless witness of the ever-changing ego self? In the example there is the caterpillarness and butterflyness...but there must have been a part of the caterpillar/butterfly that was aware of and transcended both states, otherwise it wouldn't be the same entity. I don't know this guy or his teaching, but I understand what he's saying. I find it quite helpful the way my teacher differentiates between self realisation and self actualisation. Self realisation is what people generally mean by 'awakening'...the realisation that I am not this ego/body/mind/whatever. This isn't under the control of the mind/ego: you can read or hear the truth a thousand times, but if the mind isn't ready to process or 'get it', if the ground isn't fertile, it simply won't take root. Self realisation or awakening isn't the same as enlightenment/liberation. It's the all-important first step but the realisation can come and go. Self actualisation is the process by which this knowledge is gradually assimilated...whereby it finally sticks! We can have a great many incredible mind-blowing epiphanies, but as soon as we get back to our regular life they tend to go out the window. Self actualisation is making the knowledge stick...ensuring that our thoughts, beliefs, conditioning etc are measured up against this realisation. It's about clearing out the psychological level, bringing our mind and whatever garbage the unconscious is spewing up in line with the truth. This does take time and effort. In vedanta it's called 'nididhyasana', the final stage of realisation. It's about dealing with our residual ignorance, and we all have lifetimes of it. Hardly any teachers out there emphasise or even mention this part of the process, because it would probably put people off. We think it should be effortless, because a lot of us spiritual types can be kinda lazy to be honest, or maybe it's just our instant gratification culture...but it does take some hard graft. It's very rare for lifetimes of ignorance to burn up on the spot (although it can happen if one's mind is suitably prepared and adept at yoga and achieving samadhi, etc). This is very true He doesn't explain what he means by enlightenment here but I agree with the general gist. I agree with this, and that the core reason behind our seeking being a sense of inadequacy. Worldly people look to worldly things to cover up this sense of inadequacy, whereas spiritual people loo for spiritual things to fill that void. This is a step in the right direction but can be a big trap, because we are still looking outside of ourself essentially. As for the teacher, on the level of the person there are no 'perfect people'. It's a terrible mistake to get hung up on a teacher. Nothing is perfect in this level. But to encounter a genuinely liberated being is pretty astounding. On the level of the person they still have their issues like everyone else, they might have health or financial concerns etc, but because they know who they are, nothing knocks them. It's like a rock-solid confidence. It's like they're living in this world, engaging with it, dealing with its inevitable ups and downs, but they don't get hung up on things any more than they would get hung up on the content of a dream at night. It's just a show to them and they genuinely don't get too bothered by it. They don't have any need to chase after anything, because they know that at the ultimate level they are everything. It's amazing to see. And I guess pretty rare.

You have beautifully expressed a very interesting, (and clearly heart-felt) point of view. After reading through it, for me there are four main areas where I find my collection of 'satisfying answers' different from your own. I've tinkered with what you wrote purely to highlight those four areas and below I've tried to throw in some hopefully thought-provoking quotes to counterbalance each. For me, I think that unless we're periodically stimulated to consider different thought patterns, my feeling is that whatever 'satisfying answers' we may come up with along our individual spiritual paths - can end up becoming just soothing mantras to keep us comfortably asleep in our dream of spiritual questing. But maybe that's just me. * (1) a quote by Andre Gide : "Know thyself" - a maxim as pernicious as it is odious. Any caterpillar who tried to "know himself" would never become a butterfly. * (2) an extract from a talk by Wayne Liquorman {Q} : Is the awakening gradual or is it sudden, spontaneous, and permanent ? {Wayne} : It is gradual in the sense that your progress to the edge of the cliff is gradual. There may be five steps or five thousand steps taken before you reach the edge, but the last step is always sudden and irrevocable. {Q} : How do you take it ? {Wayne} : “You” don’t. “You” never take the step. It takes you. The ego will not willingly go over, even though it says, “I want to be free from the burden of myself.” It doesn’t really want to be free from the burden of itself, it simply wants to be free of its limitations and those aspects of itself it doesn’t like. * (3) another extract from a talk by W.L. "The event of Awakening is an impersonal event. It happens through a body-mind mechanism, and it can happen in all kinds of ways, and there are probably as many stories as there are body-mind mechanisms through which it has happened. But the impulse is always to focus on the experience, in the secret hope that, “Okay, if we can identify what it was that caused the Awakening, then by diligently applying ourselves to duplicating this feat, we can get what we want !” {Q} : It’s not that,… {Wayne} : It is that, precisely ! {Q} : I was just wondering if your experiencing that emotional turmoil could have been a precursor… {Wayne} : And what I am telling you is that whatever comes before,… it is NOT causative. {Q} : It’s not ? It’s different in each case ? {Wayne} : Yes {Q} : Okay,……So if this Enlightenment is purely a matter of Grace, then why should we seek ? Why should we not just give up ? {Wayne} : Try giving up ! (laughter) You didn’t ask to become a seeker. The seeking started. So you can’t give it up ! It’s the same as having sex with a six hundred pound gorilla,… you’re not done until the gorilla is done. * (4) an extract from a talk by Richard Sylvester One of the problems which arises from our tendency to personalise our fantasy of liberation, is that we can create an idealised image of the guru or teacher. One of the ways in which we keep ourselves seeking is to project onto a teacher an ideal of an ‘enlightened’ person who is so far above us that we can feel we could not reach their state in fewer than twenty lifetimes. We may create an idealised enlightened figure that is above any thought of pain and any possibility of suffering, who lives in utter bliss, who can perform wonderful siddhis and who can release us from our karma if we only show him enough devotion. There can be a powerful tendency to project this idealised figure out there. The more idealised this teacher is, the more our search can be kept going. The search, particularly if it’s for spiritual enlightenment, is sustained by our sense of personal inadequacy. Most spiritual paths are sustained by this thought : “I am not yet good enough but if I follow the guru, repeat the mantra, do enough chanting, clear my chakras and receive darshan enough times, then I will become good enough and one day I will be utterly purified.” All spiritual seeking stems from this core sense that “I am not yet adequate.” Imagining that there is an idealised teacher out there who is 'totally adequate' maintains our sense of inadequacy in comparison. *

I agree. but the point raised was how traditional dogma is not completely useful for modern people who want direct experience relaxing the mind is the fundamental practice of dzogchen/mahamudra. it can lead you to non-dual awareness/presence. btw Namkhai Norbu teaches in his book "Dream Yoga" about that Light you experience. it's the Son Light, a very deep aspect of mind and the practice of Dream yoga is to rest in that clear light. when you can continually recognize that light, then at the moment of death, when you experience the Mother Light, then you can attain complete realization at the moment of death. so I hope you can familiarize yourself with that Light it would prove very beneficial.

Hi, I have been wondering what actually distinguishes a Buddha between a normal enlightened person? Is it only a matter of 'amounts of energy' or is more something like a Siddhi of awakening. What I know is that when you do recitation of 'Namo Amituofo', at some point you get a dream of Amitabha Buddha and from then you get that golden ball of light around the head.(which I personally call Buddha Lamp ) So I have been wondering if the transmission of that ball is maybe something unique to Buddhas? Though of course I can't say if this is the case for every mantra. Is it different for others??

I think that people who think they know themselves, are either quite mistaken, or are incredibly shallow. Sure, some people might ossify into rigid character patterns, and walk around telling themselves and the world that they are a 'meat and potatoes' kind of guy, and that they will never change. In my book that is just knowing the rigid identity that they have settled within. Who knows what may one day shake this certainty delusion. Falling in love. A weird dream that unsettles their whole value system. A child dying or going missing. A psychotic episode or near death experience? Who they thought they were was really a joke, and the further they dig for answers, the deeper and stranger everything becomes.

thanks for the clarification. So yeah - Saturn makes sense as it's the God of Time - Jupiter protects Earth from comets and asteroids - but sometimes Saturn and Jupiter resonate in their orbits and this resonance energy causes a comet or asteroid to then wipe out all 3-D life on Earth - and without 3-D bifocal vision then our vision lacks the dimension of depth and without dimension of spatial depth we probably also lack the illusion of linear time. So Saturn is very much like Kronos - I think Kronos may have been the god of Saturn and Kronos as Chronos is like Kala (time) as Kali - the destruction and creation of time as a spiral that reverses direction. And so the Earth energy is the "yin qi" energy that is taken in. The Taoist Yoga training does say this "yin qi" energy has to be totally transformed into "yang qi" energy from the yuan qi. the only way that is achieved is through total celibacy. Whereas relying on taking in Earth energy - is also like relying on taking in female jing energy from other humans. This energy is unfortunately not pure since it's a lower emotional energy - whereas to get yang qi you have to achieve "pre-celestial" or "yuan jing" energy - not jing yin qi energy from Earth or females or humans in general. So I would say the reason there are very few - if any real "golden" immortal spiritual masters today is because the Earth and human yin energy is very impure and polluted. For example the Ganges is considered the most spiritual river on Earth and yet it has 1000 times the acceptable level of pollution - as measured at Varanasi - the most spiritual city on the Ganges. For China the Yangtze is also one of the most polluted rivers on Earth and I'm sure the Yellow river isn't doing much better. So to take in the yin qi energy of Earth is not so easy - water is considered the best yin qi energy source from Earth. It is said the magnetic force of Earth used to be much stronger - since the magnetic field changes in strength - but the thing is that electromagnetic pollution is at least 40 times stronger now than 50 years ago - and so to take in the Earth yin qi - it is best to stand barefoot on the Earth - or even better - be buried into the Earth. But you want the bottom of the feet in the Earth as the "yin heel" channel is what builds up the yin qi energy. But you are talking about taking in the yin jing energy through the perineum directly in sitting meditation - and this is from the female yin jing energy - which is from lust and so it's impure. You can take in yin qi energy from Earth directly I'm sure just by sitting on the ground in full lotus - and through the perineum. I have done this also. But as I said - the electromagnetic pollution varies greatly in cities. So a recent study showed that birds lose direction in the cities due to electrosmog - and so just going a couple miles out of the city has much better sense of direction for the birds because animals are very sensitive to having pure yin qi energy from the Earth. You can tell if you take in the Earth's yin qi energy because there is an internal tingling - this is the yin qi neutralizing the internal free radicals. So you can see in this Taoist Yoga training - they say to only let out the yang spirit for a half mile or mile and if it sees another human and animal the golden light spirit body has to immediately return to its original physical body. So it's like a Buddhist manual I read for Mahayana enlightenment - the first prerequisite was to be a least 2 miles from the closest village. So you can see this is a very strict requirement of purification of Earth energy - not just taking in the yin qi energy from the Earth - but purified Earth energy. For example the qigong masters regularly have to clean out "ghost pollution" from a room or area - and it can take several visits. What is ghost pollution - it is yin shen energy that has lower emotional yin qi energy stuck to it - holding the yin shen to earth as a kind of wandering dream state of lower emotional energy. So we modern humans don't realize that ghost pollution is rampant and basically modern humans are actually ghosts - we are just not aware of it. And so the Earth's energy is being killed off - Gurdjieff mentioned this - how the dominant life on Earth has to help the moon spiritual evolve or else the Moon will destroy all life on Earth and start ecology over again. Why? Because the Moon governs the cycles of Yin Qi energy on Earth - through the control of water on Earth. And so how to help the Moon spiritually evolve? By first of all building up and purifying the yin qi energy - as from Yuan Jing energy. So I don't think what you are saying is mutually exclusive. I suppose if we mess up with the Moon's resonance around Earth - that is going to affect the Saturn's resonance with Jupiter and so then a comet or asteroid will destroy all life on Earth - or else just messing up the Moon's resonance will destroy life on Earth. So if we have a whole society out of synch with the Moon's energy then we don't know how to build up the yin qi energy that is purified - as with the Full Moon the meditation is ten times stronger but modern humans are totally out of synch with that. So instead we have electromagnetic pollution that is also destroying all the fresh water on Earth - using it up and polluting it - and the sea levels are rising due to overheating the earth from too much carbon dioxide that is supposed to be sucked up by plants which then transpire fresh water out of their leaves - creating fresh water rain. So yeah it's a good point because Alchemy is based on individualized immortality by storing up the energy individually - and from this arose the Solar Dynasty ritual priest class - the Undead Priests. This arose from mind yoga relying on the left brain and left vagus nerve - the reptilian vagus nerve that controls the heart directly - and so it goes past the heart - and so that's why the priest becomes the Undead. For that ability - also it's based on just infinite logic of mind control but also on total separation from females - no eye contact even - and so it is also very misogynistic. And so no focus on healing abilities of the females. Finally the Undead Priests don't need to show any spiritual abilities - no proof - only need to assert the logical truth of their immortality - as their own secret. So it's a kind of negative proof - everyone else is wrong. And so the secret Solar Dynasty Undead Alchemy Priests - I'm talking about the Brahmin caste but this spread everywhere with "divide and average" mathematics - and so then it relies on a caste system and logarithmic technology that inherently defines infinity through a "contained" materialism - just as the energy is "contained" inside the individual's body. That's what makes alchemy different than just doing healing energy. Of course this is ultimate a lie - that an individual can achieve immortality - because it is only through the infinite formless consciousness that immortality is allowed and this is a totally impersonal energy. So then to say - that only when the golden spirit body looks exactly like the body of the person doing the meditating - otherwise it still has demonic yin qi blockages in it - this is a type of deep exorcism of the person's soul to try to achieve the body's perfection as it was found at puberty I suppose. But the thing is that in the end - what happens to that body? It is pulverized. And so I think pulverized with it is any individualized form - the golden spirit body is made up of qi and shen energy - and it can transform into any physical matter that it chooses to do so. The question is - since it won't reincarnate again - then what physical form will it choose to take? Apparently none since it has just escaped reincarnation. haha. Instead the qi-shen energy is at one with the universe as a whole - unified back into the spacetime source of reality that is eternally creating energy impersonally. You can see how easily this philosophy of individualized immortality would become corrupted into a materialized infinity as logarithmic geometry for modern technology that is destroying the Earth's energy from the resonance with the female Lunar energy.

Hi SereneBlue..... I think you are misunderstanding....it goes the other way. 2nd Density energy forms (plants, animals, insects, ameoba etc) take a REALLY long time to naturally transition into 3rd Density energy forms (humans) unless there is intervention (help in the form of Love and attention) from a higher density energy form. I'm pretty sure the process doesn't work both directions....there is always forward progress (in the long run).... We as human beings are the envy (so-to-speak, more just "the luckiest") of every other density.....there is nothing more Bliss inducing then realizing you have been dreaming this whole time and waking up to Truth (that we are all One). There is nothing more Bliss inducing then living in misery to find out that you were CHOOSING to live in misery and making the choice for Bliss instead. We as human beings are extremely lucky....we are in the Density that is the "waking up" density....we are here in this "reality" (which is really a dream) to realize that "reality" is a dream....that we are NOT seperate entities having seperate experiences...we are all One and we have All gone through this before. We have just forgotten. This is all a game...."Lila"....God's Play.......We are here to remember that we are Source and this is the Density for doing it. If you don't "Realize" in this lifetime you will have another chance . Worrying about running out of time is silly....time is an illusion...All is Now. Love, Carson

Often we miss more then just "lessons" due to overthinking....Sometimes we miss out on Life itself! Let go of believing your thoughts and just exist as pure consciousness! Easier said then done though, so keep up your meditation practice or this will be nothing more then a dream within a dream. Love, Carson

You can blame this on Nungali, as a direct result of some posts they made at another thread. I had this up on my YouTube channel some time ago, but took it down. As I say in the description of the video, my voice was untrained at the time of this recording. Since then I received a little training from two sources, Fiona K. and Silvia Nakkach, her book, "Free Your Voice." Still not the kind of training that most of the people you see on TV or hear on the radio have. No autotune or editing here! This thread will provide a sort of before and after, with this video being before: http://youtu.be/081rq4Nk1jA "The Impossible Dream" from "Man of La Mancha" will be the after, and I hope to have it recorded by the end of the week.

Yeah on the third night I had this extremely vivid dream of this huge feast of Chinese food. My parents were serving it to me and my friends and I was completely lavishing the vast array of delicacies. But amazingly I refused to eat any of the food and just kept giving it to my friends. In my dream state I could resist the food but after work on my 3rd day -- the 3rd night, when I needed to bike 5 miles home after work -- I had not been able to do full-lotus very long to charge up. I could have done it but there was no discreet place to sit and it went so much against the grain. I was getting dizzy so I feasted for free -- dumpster-dived. Then I ate a ton of garlic. haha. I'm a total wild man right now about food.

I appear to be experiencing resistance to doing this. So I may not doing it after all. I know everyone here was really looking forward to my stirring rendition of, The Impossible Dream." I am sorry to have disappointed you. Perhaps I will still do it someday, we shall see...

Hi Bums, I was studying the other day, and I ran across a reference to a taoist dream yoga practice that sounded pretty interesting. There were only a few sentences to describe it, but gist of it is that during lucid dreaming you duplicate the 72 magical feats of the Monkey King, you know, from The Journey To The West. It sounded as though practicing the feats during dreamtime would help open energy channels and maybe even develop super-cool wizard powers in real life. Which is all well and good, but really I'm just interested in having some structure for my dream training. I've got some natural lucid dreaming ability, but I want to develop this skill as much as possible. Anyway, I've been trying to find a list of these 72 feats, and I'm having no luck. Has anyone ever heard of this training before? And does anyone know were I could find a list of the Monkey King's magic feats? And are the feat's described in The Journey To The West? I've never read it, so I have no clue. Thanks, Chris

No ... what , where , how ? What is an M sign (which is weird , as I was just reading a debate about an M symbol If I was a boss or worker and I got an email to the company about a worker from some guy that met at her at lunch and wanted .... well, wanted what ? You could: go back to the same place for lunch, or go to where she works on business ( an hope to meet or see her - not go there and ask for her , should have got a contact in the first place (I know, that's a useless suggestion at this stage , maybe you will get another chance ) ... I dont know how it works there, but here one is not supposed to give out any non-work related info or contacts to the public, about staff. Its a privacy thing. Otherwise, guys would be hunting women via their work place. Even for other reasons, even 'emergencies' one is told 'Sorry, we cant give out information about our staff." Did you get a reply email from them ? The 2nd thing, you seem determined to drop this drug thing in their laps, no matter what advice people give you, you just create another version of it. Hand up how many women out there want to meet a guy to trip with ? You could start on a simpler more realistic plane, like a normal date. I dunno, it just seems weird to me, why have partner to explore your own internal spaces ... and why your 'dream date woman' instead of a Shaman or guide - no, I dont need an answer, I jam just suggesting a ..... 'topic for meditation'. I would suggest being general and say you have a wide range of interests , including ' exploring consciousness' - I would not take it further than that. That 'covers you', declares your interest and doesnt go too far. You can always get right out there later, if that is what develops. Lets not forget ... you were after a date .... you are not experienced with women relationships and sex, perhaps you should be content, at first, to be a little less ..... ummm .... 'specific' ? Dont start getting so much into the details of what you ultimately would like and project that. If a good relationship follows, the dynamics of that alone may be different enough for you .... I recently had an A M A Z I N G experience like that ... would not trade it for a hand full of pure Swiss 25s ! And would rather have had that experience than a 'mere' trip with her.

Let's imagine that you are asleep and half-dreaming. Something happens that rouses you from the dream; now you are awake and lying in your bed as expected. The same sound that woke you repeats. Like a sprinkling of gravel on the roof above you. Also it seems strangely dark. You raise your arms and they immediately strike a hard wooden surface directly above your nose. You realise in a flash that you and your bed have been placed in a large pine box, and are being buried under the ground. The sprinkling of the earth is getting more and more muffled. You are moments from suffocation. How do you react? Do you go into blind panic, banging on the box and screaming for help? Do you realise the futility of panic and so quickly and expertly centre yourself in your own being? Are you already centred and so able and ready to observe your own death? I think this scenario can teach us a lot about our own spiritual progress. Some of us will read this and feel the panic, some will read and feel the bliss of impending death.

Well, I dream big so...

I figured that Nungali and Michael Sternbach would weigh in here and overload your mental circuits, so I wanted to wait before making any reply. As a change of pace from some of the things on which I have been working, I thought I might take some time here to ask some annoying questions and point in some odd directions that will make clearer some of the things that I have already posted, in particular my posts in the section on Cornelius Agrippa and his work. So let's start with some annoying questions about this: Can you elaborate on what you mean by that statement, though?: I suspect that what you want is some anecdotes about using astrologer for character analysis, event prediction, etc., which taken as a whole would demonstrate it. I can certainly provide them, but I am more interested in a bigger view and I hope that you will indulge me, and then I may give some interesting anecdotes. This is actually very close to my understanding of what it should be like if we are indeed talking about natural universal forces: There is for example this notion of “universal forces” and you use gravity as an example. Do you know what a “force”, universal or otherwise, is? Let's dig a little deeper into that can of worms that I mentioned. In the worldview in which astrology arose, during the Hellenistic period, a worldview that was largely Platonic/Aristotelian, the logical implications of that worldview were not, “how could astrology work?”, but “How could astrology not work?”. In other words the worldview of the educated elite of the Hellenistic world made astrology a “no brainer” in terms of providing a logical and well formed rationale for its existence and efficacy, the problem was to find space within these implications for things like “free will” and self-determination. In other words, “Where is astrology not going to work, so that I can see myself as free, rather then a slave of some form of astrological determinism?” A very different conundrum isn't it? The whole modern worldview sees astrology as a fantastic and absurd set of ideas that could not possibly be true, because, “How could the position of Jupiter affect me, when its gravitational pull is miniscule in comparison to that of earth?”, but this very framing of the question is based on a certain way of viewing the world in a way in which everything is disconnected, as opposed to the Hellenistic worldview in which everything is connected. This so called “scientific” worldview is now taken for granted by nearly everyone, and is the result of cultural trends which I have analyzed elsewhere and to which I will refer. By the way, this worldview doesn't save “free will”, it replaces it with a determinism of atoms, in which all thoughts are merely a flow of atoms and consciousness an epiphenomenal dream that floats above them, powerless as a ghost in a machine. This view that started with the revival of Epicureanism circa 1600, and grew ravenous with Cartesian dualism, and devoured all in its path until 1900 when its unruly child, science, like another unruly child, Zeus, was to rise up and show the problems with this worldview, a revolution that is still unresolved and is being waged around us even now. So I hope that you don't mind if I dwell a bit on the big picture and then when that is clearer, start telling a few anecdotes which illustrate its details, and yes the discussion will also address such matters of “magic” as are implied in this: As a preparation for this you might find my thread: Agrippa and Aristotle: the Aristotelian background of the Occult Philosophy may help to set the stage along with this quote from another post: And I particular draw your attention to “If one looks at consciousness as a formal cause that organizes information, that solves a lot of problems about knowledge and freewill.” And ask “What happens if you view gravity as a formal cause that organizes information?”

Cool. You know what I meant. Nope, only in the Newtonian scale I'm afraid. Ask around if you don't believe me. I never said it applies in the Newtonian scale, but this is how things work at the quantum level. Sure, I believe in impermanence, but I also think the world is caught in some kind of an eternal Catch-22. I think this is best expressed by Terry Pratchett: "Money is not a thing, it is not even a process. It is a kind of shared dream. We dream that a small disc of common metal is worth the price of a substantial meal."

Thanks for the comments and questions Witch. As the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" states -- there is one dream that is very real for men -- the nocturnal emission. Dreams are bizarre to say the least but always have some deeper symbolic message if not visionary information. A lot of Taoist "sex" doctors -- like Mantak Chia -- recommend physical stimulation for the male's "member." Even "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" promotes masturbation for older men to get the juices flowing. When my 24 year old coworker got to that point in the book he took it upon himself to do the "old man's" technique. haha. And when Mantak Chia says that only old men need pornography he's correct. The goal for the male should not be the creation of sexual fluid -- the goal should be the transformation of the fluid into electromagnetic energy which is shot out of the third eye. The energy, internally, goes from kidney to liver to heart and then to the pineal gland. The "microcosmic orbit" or "small universe" is the musical scale practiced over and over again to harmonize the energy -- resonating the fluid -- so ultrasound ionizes the hormones into electromagnetic energy. The heart chakra is the final "lower emotion" build-up. There's five lower emotions to be overcome: sadness (lungs) fear (kidney) anger (liver) worry (pancreas) and overexcitement (heart). Lust from the heart is over-excitement -- which is also the dopamine-serotonin-oxytocin love energy. At that point the person is obsessed or even "posessed" with another SINGLE person. The heart chakra "psychic mutual climax" happens after about 10 mutual climaxes of the INTERNAL reproductive organ - the kidney -- which then clears out the liver energy to open up the heart. The love between the healer and the female is then real love -- heart to heart love -- and the heart connection after that between those two people is permanent from my experience. It doesn't matter if the other female is married, single or even a family member -- because there's no physical contact between the healer and the female. Chunyi Lin's motto is "A healer in every family and a world without pain." In South Asia the young female is considered the goddess -- quite literally in Nepal. The book "Kiss of the Yogini" by Gordon White (I think) -- a California professor. Anyway it's about the Tantric kingdoms of Asia that were big around 1000 years ago and are still left over there (Nepal still has a young female goddess but the tantric secrets have been lost). This is why the Bushmen state they "collect the N/um of young maidens" because the life force energy is strong and it's like an electrostatic discharge -- the young female quickly attracts and fills up with the male electromagnetic energy and then at climax discharges her electrochemical female energy back into the healer. So first the body's energy has to be purified -- in other words the internal climaxes clear out all the shit in the body -- quite literally. When the body is really cleared out it's after a 3 day fast -- or a 3 day "energy feast." That was one of my first "O at a D" tests -- I went 3 days just sitting in full-lotus having psychic mutual climaxes with females. I was never hungry and felt awesome. As Master Nan, Huai-chin states -- the spiritual and the material don't mix and that's why most modern practitioners never even really achieve samadhi (which is the real opening of the 3rd eye -- after the 8 day energy feast (food/water fast). Even then any use of the spiritual powers causes a loss and disharmonization of the energy. So that just means a DEEPER LEVEL OF LOVE -- a deeper level of electrochemical transformation of blockages. As Gurdjieff states sexual energy is the most pure energy for spiritual transformation -- but the other emotions are just repressed sexual energy. Alternatively the spiritual electromagnetic energy is the SOURCE for the electrochemical sexual or jing energy. So as the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" points out most men go through their life not even realizing that what causes the female climax is electromagnetic energy -- starting from their brains. So sexual energy is the "psychic glue" connecting all the emotions and also our perception of physical reality. If you store up and transform the sexual energy -- the life force energy -- then the "wet dreams" transform into deeper precognitive dreams. Reality is based on complementary opposites which means that our emotional desires are fulfilled subconsciously and thereby "predicted" already without our own conscious awareness -- dreams predict our future by connecting with the universal consciousness. John Dunne wrote a book about his precognitive dreams based on different levels of time -- how his dreams somehow connected to his own future. At this point who we are is pure consciousness -- or clear light -- which observes 3 dimensional reality as the eternal present -- actually living or being what our spirit has connected with "holographically" through our brain -- the third eye pineal gland. The new book http://transcendentdreaming.com is an EXCELLENT description of someone who did ayahuasca and qigong training and now does paranormal dream healing. It's beyond any emotion yet the result is love or healing -- observing all of reality as pure consciousness -- without any intention or conscious thoughts. It's the magic carpet ride -- the rainbow vortex of reality. Physical reality can actually be transformed through intense electromagnetic fields -- science knows that matter is created from energy -- how gamma rays makes electrons and vice versa through antimatter. Black holes, neutron stars -- the universe was actually created out of "nothing" -- the infinite quantum potential as pure consciousness. Quantum mechanics relies on "noncommutative" math -- with a time-frequency uncertainty principle. This is the same as the original use of sound for healing. The more we go back in time (or out into space) the more we actually transform space into our own future time, as Stephen Hawking pointed out about the paradox of the origin of the universe. Meditation listens to the source of sound (the source of time) which creates a nonlinear noncommutative infinite field of potential frequency -- the zero-point field. When this is "harmonized" then the squeezed light -- the whole frequency spectrum -- bends spacetime to create matter. Since the process is a holographic vortex of our internal desire -- our emotions as electrochemical force -- then the whole universe is an interconnected energy process, both being broken up and then recreated. The only thing left as reality is what can not be seen -- but what is listened to -- pure consciousness itself that is the eternal present.

seek and ye shall find. But first you have to seek, and before that, you have to actually want to seek: http://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/ What has most certainly changed in the past couple decades is the amount of air traffic (thanks, Ryanair!), and that's enough to explain the current frequency of this phenomenon. More air traffic means more planes flying at varying altitudes and more chance to spread CONtrails in places where they don't disappear quickly. This whole "conspiracy" is pathetically juvenile. Here's another angle the head-bobbing believers have trouble explaining away: What happens to the air inside the planes that are flying though these supposed toxic clouds? Planes don't carry their own supply of compressed air, like scuba divers. The air in the plane comes from the atmosphere the plane is flying in. How do they avoid filling the cabin with these mysterious environment-destroying poisons? (or heavy metals or whatever it is, depending on which head-bobber you happen to ask). And don't take me wrong. I really hate these skies, they're fugly and depressing. I often look at the milky slop up there and feel like it's time to give up on humanity altogether. The most beautiful skies in my adult life were during that week a couple years ago, when air traffic was shut down due to the Icelandic volcano. The sky was such a deep blue, it was something like a dream, for four or five days straight. And I was far from the only one to notice and enjoy it. edit: just now saw that theLearner posted the same link. Well, it's a good one, lol

i thank You God for most this amazing day: for the leaping greenly spirits of trees and a blue true dream of sky; and for everything which is natural which is infinite which is yes (i who have died am alive again today, and this is the sun’s birthday; this is the birth day of life and of love and wings: and of the gay great happening illimitably earth) how should tasting touching hearing seeing breathing any–lifted from the no of all nothing–human merely being doubt unimaginable You? (now the ears of my ears awake and now the eyes of my eyes are opened) --e.e. cummings

I think you are familiar with the experience of "The Witness". One can remain an aloof Witness of everything, even in dream states one can be the watcher of the dream character. I'm not denying this experience but a further insight will be how "The Witness" is really the non-dual witnessing in which the observer and the observed is one. If you read Ken Wilber's Some Writings on Non-duality by Ken Wilber you'll have a better understanding on the progression from Witness to Non-Dual. When Non-Dual is experienced... everything is the mystery.

that makes sense, thanks. our spirit is constantly active in the subtle realm, though when we go to sleep, our awareness shifts from the physical to subconscious. there is another world where spirits interact. if a person's soul has not developed awareness of the subtle realm, it has no control over the "dream". you can see a whole mixture of people's experiences being recycled when in the sleep state. there are also beings that have completely shifted their awareness into the subconscious realm, so are 100% in control, while us are tied to the physical body. so enough awareness is not kept on the body it dies. that's why a lot of OBE/NDE end up with an unprecedented instant shift back into the body

That's one way of looking at it. To me that verges too much towards nihilism for my liking. I am not talking about physical rebirth rather the continuation of consciousness in the subtle realms after death. There are all sorts of accounts of people receiving teachings from other subtle realms, some historical Tibetan Buddhist masters received their entire training in the dream realm. I myself have had experiences meditating on masters who have physically died a long time ago. You are focusing on what causes rebirth of the ego, but did the Buddha simply vanish and dissolve into nothing when he became enlightened and the process of graspng and aversion fell away? no there was an aware being who continued on existing even when the cause of rebirth of a seperate ego was extinguished

did you ever have a proper out of body experience? can you leave as consciousness at will? have you ever participated in another person's dream? when/if your consciousness was out of body, did other people see you as a "ghostly" figure? could they sense you? them being at a waking state, and you not ? i see your religion is budhism, i would be interested to know what are the appropriate definitions for such phenomena, in budhist terms? since that should be familiar to you saying that everything is really just a mind creation is being an escapist in my point of view. sure, in the whole aspect of things, you could say everything is not real, physicality is not real, its just a mind program being played out. but what good does that bring in perceiving the nature of reality, when you ignore everything that does not fit to your preconceived definition, or someone elses definition for that matter, no matter how important that person was who left those interpretations of the definitions seems like blind faith to me, and it works wonders to reinforce the limited mind's protective mechanisms, as usual