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on my dream yoga, in rajayoga kings rise in deep sleep reside

on my dream yoga technicolored apertures a bunch of sore grapes...

stickling at sundown... has a pernicious effect on my dream yoga

OK lets run with this as it could be interesting. I think it might be more correct to say that conciousness can only be centred in one of the bodies at any point in time. The reason I say this is that schizophrenics are seemingly experiencing the dream realms on top of the physical hence them seeing and hearing things. I remember reading something way back about clairvoyants that said they could see the astral body (dream body) several inches out of alignment in mental patients. Now I'm not saying I believe the astral body ever leaves the physical, as some teach, but the idea that one of our bodies could be un-centred or out of alignment is interesting. If we stick with your system and say that body one is the physical and body eight is the celestial, or whatever you might term it, then we should consider how we move from body to body. I've been taught that you can move up and down but that you can't jump i.e. You can't move from body one straight to body eight as you have to move through each body in sequence. Now hears the interesting bit, if you think of conciousness as a field that is centred in one body but impinges on the others with lessening awareness the further it gets away from the centre point. Now in our schizophrenic the conciousness seems to have become elongated, think sausage shape, so that it can function while seemingly being centred in two bodies which of course is not supposed to happen. This illustration might help: Hmm I think growing up and becoming conditioned by society might be more damaging to the individual. There's a lot to be said for innocents and naivety but hey we all grow up eventually don't we?

I have no trouble agreeing with the bits I bolded .... but it doesnt mean spirituality has to go ... anywhere. 'Shut him down' ? Nah ... man , if I had him here we would be sitting around the fire pit out the back of the cabin and raving through the night .... ( but only on fanta ... I've been off the grog for a loooong time ). Oh .... I just cannot resist this (nothing personal ... it has just been sitting there waiting for the opportunity ; O melancholy Brothers, dark, dark, dark!O battling in black floods without an ark! O spectral wanderers of unholy Night! My soul hath bled for you these sunless years, With bitter blood-drops running down like tears: Oh dark, dark, dark, withdrawn from joy and light! My heart is sick with anguish for your bale;Your woe hath been my anguish; yea, I quail And perish in your perishing unblest. And I have searched the highths and depths, the scope Of all our universe, with desperate hope To find some solace for your wild unrest. And now at last authentic word I bring,Witnessed by every dead and living thing; Good tidings of great joy for you, for all: There is no God; no Fiend with names divine Made us and tortures us; if we must pine, It is to satiate no Being's gall. It was the dark delusion of a dream,That living Person conscious and supreme, Whom we must curse for cursing us with life; Whom we must curse because the life he gave Could not be buried in the quiet grave, Could not be killed by poison or the knife. This little life is all we must endure,The grave's most holy peace is ever sure, We fall asleep and never wake again; Nothing is of us but the mouldering flesh, Whose elements dissolve and merge afresh In earth, air, water, plants, and other men." - James Thomson. In many practices ... magical or martial ... one should start with securing the essence of the self against this ... stop the leakage, seal the aura, whatever or however it is said .... dont use a bucket with holes, how can you 'cultivate' if you are leaky? This is different from 'energy flowing through'. You're leaking man .... I would attend to that if I was you.

Interesting dream. The connection is done in certain schools with the five (major) planets + sun and moon and in this case there is a direct link with your dream. Good ! YM Sorry but this is not the system we use so I am not able to give precise details. I have heard various teachers explaining this among the "other" systems of embodying the stars and I am quite sure I also read about it, but at present cannot recall where. YM

Funny! Two days ago I had a dream where the seven vertebras where explained to me as representing the 5 senses and two more functions(that I ofcourse dont remember). Nothing real esotheric, sorry, but still a relevant dream

Most people live in a 'dream world' and it's not an 'American dream' but a phantom created by those that manipulate. Sorry no enlightenment on this thread please move along!! There is no duality as that's just a mind-job for suckers. The same people are running the show and religion and politics are just a few of their tools. Female president or black president, which serves those in power more? Voting is a lie for dim people that like to live in a fantasy world. I could insight violence now but that's not the way. Just accept that some people are clever, some are stupid and a few are wise so if you fuck with me I'll kill you. Oh and one last thing Margaret Thatcher is a whore and so is Bill Clinton! EDIT: I'm just about to watch an episode of 'Northern Exposure' entitled 'Democracy In America' (I'll let you know how it goes)! Yeah like demon-mock-crassy! Now where's my gun as I want to create a new amendment. Hey Saudi Arabia is ran by power pissed nutters as well so perhaps the SUV is the sign of the beast? Oh for the simple life!

Thanks for sharing Uroboros. That sounds like quite a transformation. I'm really looking forward to my qigong class now. I hope I will be able to get something dramatic from my practice of it as well. About the retention thing... well, uh, I think I might have had an emission from a dream last night lol, though I'm not entirely sure... It was only been 1 week, and I was physically celibate, but definitely not mentally... I was craving and fantasizing so frequently, so maybe that's the reason. Looks like I'll be starting over.

what exactly is "that job" ?? i reckon we dont need humanities in our schools anyways. we should all become mindless drone workers who live to work and work to live, the rest is just nonsense. and we should work beside other drone workers. emotionless and without passion. without anything to talk/think about except the work task at hand. its not like we are humanity so why should we care about humanities ! bleh-eck besides when a.i. robots take over and control everything let them study humanities i have no desire to at all,,,humanities what a bunch of hogwash edit>>once there was a great visionary named pol pot who when he came to power decided to kill the doctors and lawyers, the artists, writers, educators, and intellectuals. his plan was to wipe out all cultural identity and the humanities. now i certainly dont condone violence such as murder and torture like the great pol pot but if we can remove the studies of humanities from our schools,, hey they are obsolete anyways, we can still achieve pol pots dream.

Hi all, I have a query regarding the foundations of magickal practice. Let me start by briefly describing my experience. I have been cultivating 'magick' (or whatever one wishes to call it) for well over a decade, and have had a reasonable amount of success. Definitely enough for me to have to take it seriously and believe that it is 'real' and not mere coincidence or imagination (imagination in the conventional sense. I am aware that Imagination is something different). I have done a small amount of mediation (VERY small), and a reasonable amount of visualization, and that is where my query lies. Upon reading certain tomes devoted to the cultivation of these kinds of practices, they highlight the importance of mediation and visualization. In comparison to the degree that seems to be expected by these books, my experience seems to be paltry. I am curious as to how much time you have all dedicated to these foundational skills? Upon reading Crowley's Liber ABA, I find This still happens to me, for the most part. As long I don't try too hard, and allow it to emerge as a dream I can visualize more complex scenarios, but when aiming for the simple, such as a yellow circle, I get all kinds of interference. As for mediation, well, I'm a bit embarrassed to discuss my attempts. So, to summarize, how much time have you dedicated to basic skills such as mediation and visualization? Have you noticed a large improvement in your 'magickal' abilities as a result? And any other advice or discussion on this topic is also appreciated. Peace

Yesterday I went to the fair with my wife and my three year old. We rode various kiddie rides including the merry go round and a school bus that goes up and down, nothing major, just kiddie rides. I noticed after we got home that I felt discombobulated the rest of the day, a little off balance, a little queasy, just not quite right. That got me to thinking, why as a kid could I ride practically anything and not only feel okay afterward, but actually feel exhilarated, yet as an adult a simple merry go round leaves me feeling off kilter the rest of the day? The answer is simple, I haven't done it in twenty years! We ( as adults ) take so much for granted and lose skills we once possessed as we get older without even realizing it. Some people would think to themselves, " children can do it because they don't know any better ", but is the opposite not true? Adults can't do it because we have pre-conceived notions of balance and control. Notions that obviously are simply not true, yet we make them true in our own heads. I believe adults do this in a lot of other areas also. We lose the ability to imagine, dream, and create. The older we get without using these skills, the harder it is to get them back. The reason I am drawn to Taoism is because it gives you the ability to keep your mind open as opposed to some other religions that are very intolerant and closed minded.

It was mentioned earlier in the thread - awareness in deep dreamless sleep. Has anyone experienced that? Its something ive seen in multiple traditions/practices. Personally, lucid dream/ awareness in dreams is very common for me but ive never exp. It in deep sleep.

When I was 5 I was at the dentists, and was given gas. The dentist was working in my mouth, and I got bored. I got off the table (while he was still working on me), left the room and went down the stairs to the exit, leaving my body behind. I thought nothing of until years later I realized people don't do that kind of thing. When I was a young teen (before the internet was commonly being used in the general public) I 'woke up' inside a dream, and was absolutely amazed at the strange world I was in. I didn't do it again for several years as I had no idea what it was, and that it was even repeatable. The two events were markedly different. Whether this was due to the medical drugs or not I don't know, but I don't think so. I think the first time I was still in this physical plane, and the second time I was in a different realm. I think I may have has a predisposition for this kind of event due to my childhood; As a child I used to close my eyes and visualise myself flying over the ocean and visiting my home country and looking in my friend's windows. I also used to stare at a spot on the wall in my bedroom (when I was sent to my room for being naughty....so, a lot ) until everything went white. I also used to lie there at night and play with the phosphenes... you know when you close your eyes it's not all black? There are thousands of tiny pinpricks of light? Well those are phosphenes, and the eye (or my eyes) can see them all the time, depending on whether or not one focuses on them. I used to make them flow in waves and then change direction...stuff like that.

lucid dream, you still have your own body but its lucid. Same fundamental thing is also when you attain rainbowbody your body becomes lucid.

In regards to the topic, I agree. These spiritual people are generally all corrupt. Most people are not able to handle power. They are usually rich elite who have access to all knowledge and all the rest like us, even the ones who earnestly want to do whatever needs to be done miss out. The world is a negative place, with a lot of control by negative force. But we have to rely on keeping faith in hope. Those who think they have access to literally all within themselves are living a pipe dream, have their head in the clouds are true hippies.

Depends on the dream, some of each. Sometimes the astral, sometimes the subconscious.

The one time I got into something like retention practice, one wet dream meant having to start over from the beginning. The goal was the standard 100 days (and involved some practices that made it virtually impossible to acheive) and if an accidental discharge occurred on the 95th day ... it was back to day one. I didn't succeed, and now think the whole approach is unnatural and unnecessary. To the OP -- you're going from one extreme to another. That's generally a bad idea. There is no sperm in your blood, central nervous system, or brain. And there's not supposed to be, either. Sperm is in your testes, and then it's out of your body, it's pretty simple and is true for every species of animal that reproduces with sperm/egg. There are hormones associated with your sexual drive, however, and you're taking measures guaranteed to throw them into a crisis. My suggestion is to stop the obsession, get a nice girlfriend (or boyfriend, or whatever), enjoy sex and develop a healthy relationship with your body (and mind).

it IS Oliver Shanti. this video is what first introduced me to Oliver Shanti. the song is Mother Earth's Tartaruga Song from Buddha Bar. it might be titled Dream as well. hard to tell being that i found the song through a fileshare program. it's titled this way: Chill Out- Mother Earth's Tartaruga Song- Buddha Bar- Dream- Oliver Shanti make of that what you will.

Actually, this is not (usually the aim imo/ime). Rather you can hone your mind to experience things as they "actually are" once you develop enough awareness, and then enough stability to pierce through that level of "experience" of self. Well, I'm the one talking about invisibility and immortality right now, don't lump that on anyone else... In time you will realise, if you don't already , that "when they own the information oooh, they can bend it all they want". Let me paint a piccy for ya: Humanity are co-creators, we all have free will - not so hard to grasp? The collective free will of humanity, in the majority, seeks to control the vastness of its "unlimited" free will - to contain and corral it, keep it manageable through the senses. The responsibility of being fully at one with said free will is pretty intense to most, it takes "constant "work"" to be in that state of awareness. So, the collective has manifested a group control system to keep the illusion of separateness alive and well - thus keeping the average joe blow from walking out the top of his head and realising who he/she really is. ok, no judgement there, free will, right? There's a great scene in the film "Inception" where Leo D-Cup is training his charge in architecturally redesigning the illusory landscape of the dream state. What he does not tell her is that if she changes the dreamscape too drastically - the collective starts "attacking you". They attack the "different". I'm not trying to tell you that people will attack you, not at all. I'm saying that there is an ancient control system that has been expanding and contracting since mankind's original fall from grace - and it keeps this stuff under wraps with ridicule, hiding, and whatever it takes to maintain the sleep of the senses. Evidence and proof are fodder, brecky to feed this beast ongoing. It's your free will, all power to ya. You need nothing more, you are already "supernatural". This is about training in memory energy that drags your ass beyond your current locked in degree of awareness. Be that scientist, though I would urge you to question whether its a matter of quantity (time) or quality. Consistency will deliver you to that answer.

It may be that life is like a dream. In a dream, you feel as if you are freely reacting to the given circumstances. Of course, your reactions and circumstances are actually both generated by your own mind (just different parts of it).

There is "I" - it's just a construct. Same consciousness individuated through dimensions of experience. It is "possible to shift perspectives through other people as in see through somebody else's eyes and experience what they experience" - Yes. "if this were possible and you knew it was, would you tell me?" - Yes. BKA has it right, it's called empathy. At the normal waking state level you have empathy at an emotional and mental level - whereby you feel and think their thoughts (when you know you are doing it - it is the next level). Then, if you have the ability to attenuate your "individual" experience sufficiently you can take on "their" experience more fully. In that state you can see through their eyes, take part in their experience as if it were you. At that level it is sometimes difficult to determine which way is up, is this me or them? The best way to develop these aspects of awareness, ime, is through your own emotions and thoughts...I have had countless instances seeing through other people's experience as a result of leaving no stone unturned - cultivating emotional.mental/behavioural patterns. But my wife is a natural at this. She thinks much of the time it is hers - a true empath. My wife does it all day - in a waking state its usually just the mento-emotional aspect. She'll do other people's stuff, and I see it and tell her - then she sees the vision. In her dreams she will do other people's waking experience - making it her own dream, but its their exact experience only as if it were hers. She'll awaken and tell me about it, and I'll see into it - but, it doesn't marry. I ask a few questions and then start seeing the visuals, and tell her and then she she's it too. It's as simple as letting go of yourself and loving others as unconditionally as you love yourself, and seek to be loved by others. So, yes, yes, yes.

Nungali, Your cautionary note is appropriate and well received. It applies to the dream work you described as well. By saying responsibility, I mean the way Jung spoke of taking responsibilty for more than just what is identified through the ego. I see the "slotting into each other" as a Jungian idea too; There is a structure where seemingly disparate elements are connected to each other beyond the individual.

The Turkey has taken to more door knocks. tap tap tap .... ignore him ... tap tap tap .... " Go away!" ... Tap tap tap tap TAP! ... He is the only person that bothers to knock ... the others just come in or call out vocally. Right now he has decided to 'nest' on the planter box on the front porch, after continually jumping on the solar power leads and batteries and making a kerfuffle. I am contemplating nabbing him and putting him in a cardboard box and taking him to the WIRES vet ... his foot is now very crippled and I think that could be why he is hanging around (and why I am feeding him, it must be hard to scratch up food standing on one leg ! ) . I looked at him this morning on my way to the loo and asked if he wanted to go to the vet and he came over and stood next to me (last time I asked he ran away) .... soooo . (This has been going on ever since my daydream about the little UFO / walking robot thingo crashing in the front yard and breaking one of its legs and me having to fix it. ) I guess I am going to have make some phone calls, get him in a box somehow and we will go for a drive. And if a bird can speak, who once was a dinosaur, and a dog can dream; should it be implausible that a man might supervise the construction of light? - King Krimson.

“To this I replied, "I still think that my body is not merely a sensory appearance, for surely it came from my parents, who were its cause and condition." He said, "If you think that your body came from your father and mother, then what are the beginning and end of these parents? What are their source, their location, their final destination? Tell me!" I answered, "I think that they exist, but I am not aware of what they are. It seems to me that a physical body without parents is not possible." He retorted, "Consider this. Who are the parents of the body in a dream, in the bardo, and in the hell realms?" With that, I arrived at the decision that this body has never existed, being simply a sensory experience.” ― Dudjom Lingpa, Buddhahood Without Meditation: A Visionary Account Known as Refining One's Perception