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The way to uncovering truth is by way of realizing the false. Those on the Short Path do not seek truth,...but the false. A New Age purveyor correctly said, "we need to draw our attention to what is false in us, for unless we learn to recognize the false as the false, there can be no lasting transformation, and you will always be drawn back into illusion, for that is how the false perpetuates itself" As for physics,...it can be helpful,...but not for the ignorant, like scientists, who believe objects are real. All Long Pathers get very upset with anyone suggesting that the dream of life is not real,...how could everything they believe to be meaningful, actually be meaningless? However, those seriously interested in the Tao, quickly realize that yin/yang does not exist in the Tao. Lao Tzu said, "The Tao gives rise to all form, yet is has no form of its own."

I got the Kunlun book last night. I read a few pages. It was very good so far. I also had a weird dream about Max last night. It happened in a university campus. I was buying dinner(fish) in the cafeteria. A bold stocky man in tradition Chinese suit showed up and started teaching. I knew it was Max. I introduced myself after his teaching. We walked down a flight of stairs. I told him that I might have two kundalini awakening episodes. He turned around, clawed my skull with his single hand. It was painful. He told me that my head bone structure was good, whatever that meant. We kept walking. Max turned into a Chinese guy with full head of hair and told me that he needed a bath. It tuned out he went to a barber shop to get a hair cut. Some other members also mentioned he dreamed of Max after receiving his book. Could be my dream a result of auto sugguestion? Anyway, It may be a sign that I should walk with Max for a while.

Only a person unfamiliar with a single truth would reply like that. ALL beliefs are Untrue. If I was to spew a belief, without explicitly saying it was a belief, and thus only an opinion, it would be better that an anvil be tied around my neck and thown into an abyss, than to interact on these threads. All object-ive truths are relative, and thus untrue. If I was to spew a relative or object-ive truth, then I would clarify it was merely an object-ive truth,...which is not a truth at all, but an opinion based on object-ivity. All empirical evidence is untrue. When I use the term truth,...it should be taken as absolute truth,...not an object-ive, personal, empirical opinion. "What is truth?" Pontius Pilate purportedly asked circa 28 CE in Palestine, according to John 18:38. For most, truth and reality have little value in everyday life. The majority merely desire dependable descriptions of an objective world that they consider intelligible. The wisdom and reality that arise from certainty would undermine the survival of their object-based beliefs and conceptual imagery. Few seem to realize that those considered priests of the scientific method have neither uncovered nor explained truth. That is not their job. Scientists have little interest in truth or reality, for their paychecks are derived from the pursuit of facts about objects. Science builds its theorems or working hypotheses upon previous beliefs, and therefore it often labels any discussion of absolute certainty as absurd. For example, to say that there is no "present in time" is antithetical to science’s established beliefs. Truth and reality confuse the priests of the scientific method. Their paradigm, or fixed set of beliefs, is founded on concepts of a materially existing world; that is, sciential theorems, not the sapiential truth or the reality beyond objects. Scientists, like most others who are uninterested in truth, are as characters within a dream who think that the dream is real. As truth and reality are taboo in the scientific groupthink, they cling to a faith in objects, to make the dream—and their attachment to separateness—more palatable. As the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Charles Townes said, "Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith."

I read the book. Jim's story reminds me of Forest Gump for some reason, 'xept that Gump had a happy ending. Criticising Asian culture through your own American paradigm is sheer stupidity. Publishing it, well... That being said I enjoyed the book, although reading it many times felt like spying on the neighbours, too much personal detail about people that were his friends and companions, thumbs down on this one. BTW (and I don't think that much about this topic!) I had this weirdest dream last night, J Chang being treated for severe illness. The cause of the illness was some sort of punishment for the endless rants on internet forums about the sacred Mo Pai school go figure out that one

If one day you met the most wise person of all time , who knew the answers to everything ever asked, A person might ask them if there was a God , or where the universe came from, or if there was 'gold in them thar hills'... Presumably you get an answer ....from that point there is an implied question sequential to the first ,,,or the question was useless really - That second question is " OK, now what do I do ? (about it , knowing what I do now )" The answer- response to the second question determines the path you would take. and so before asking 'What do I do now ?' all the question-answer pairs just supply data. The conclusion to 'What do I do now?' once arrived at, allows a person to proceed and so that is the ultimate question that any person has to answer ,if they are going to control their destiny with intent. SO I dont think anybody needs new models for living , because the question they need to answer hasnt changed. There are paths enough already to assist in answering it, they have worked for millions before us. It changes nothing really to consider the world to be virtual ,or a clockwork, or a dream, or the result of previous universes bumping into one another ... if It doesnt affect What you will do... and you are just as locked into the common human experience ( in all its variety ) as everyone else is. Yes its interesting to speculate , and yes you may gain different perspective but Oildrops is on the money, saying that, living in the moment is really where the attention should be at.

I do not think that runes is something to meditate on. It is symbols, ideas, alphabet. What is the point to meditate for example on the picture of the moon in a book trying to understand the moon? More over that the runes sounds could be changed very much and signs too. How we know it is authentic runic primordial sounds? I beleive it was distorted from original signs and sounds. For example some people state that runes are protogerman sacred "sounds" but as I know slavic languages I can see there and protoslavic "sounds" which correlate with slavic pagan gods. OK, it can have origin in the common protoindoeuropean language but it was changed with time anyway and now we know only "germanic sounds" but signs could be changed too. There are slavic runes as well and they have different geometry. There were turkish runes in north Asia.... So I want to say that it is just symbols of some primordial archetypes and I do not think one should meditate on it trying to change something in one's own mind. It would be only some "magical" work with the rune Egregor but not with archetypes IMO. How we know what we should change in our energy or mind? Why to meditate on a certain rune if one is not sure what is this rune certain archetype. It can come from some shamanic expereince or dream but not from just one's mind like "I think it should help me because... ". IMO runes is just some primordial IDEAS and steps in the spiritual path corrilated with sun calendar. This is more what we should change in ourselfs in order to feel more harmony, how to abandon our karma and be more enlightened

Ah, but most do not realize that without dreams, technology could never have advanced to what it is today. If the Wright brothers did not dare dream, we'd still be rowing across waters to get to the farther shores. Moreover, without emptiness, how will dreams manifest? Is emptiness not the vast, endless fabric from which dreams arise? Yet, there, in the hearts of those who dare to turn their dreams into reality, infinite inspiration and courage springs forth, leading men and women of resolve to conquer limits which ordinarily daunts those of lesser intent. In this manner, then, i would count technology as the very stuff built on dreams and emptiness. I am grateful to dreams, for they often light the darkest nights with hope, and with renewed faith in the belief that for life to be meaningful, those dreams must always be allowed to be bigger than what we think we are.

Do you base that concept on anything other then you liked the movies? Its always struck me as funny, people using the Matrix as a model since in the movie people were living in rags eating crappy food and were relatively powerless. To be in the Matrix was to live unaware or want to escape the real world which was admittedly grungy in Neo's time period. Crap I'm gettiing off course into movie mythos. To me Tech is a distraction not a solution. I'm all for updating spiritual paradigms but not by substituting pop science fiction trilogies. Interestingly enough, Hydrogen is describing a movie I saw last week on Netflix called Cafe, it revolves around the characters in a coffee shop, God walks in and tells the geek programmer he and the world are an AI project. It's very good, you should watch it, but its a movie. Regardless of ones basic paradigm there may be cracks in realities mirror. Dream work- lucid dreaming and hard science if possible in astral travel. The third eye runs across many cultures. I'd love to see serious work that scrapped the dogma and got serious data on what can be seen. In both cases serious long term training programs.

I don't believe in "evolution" at all -- but I do believe in sequential unfolding, the taoist "timeliness" of events, entities and processes. You have to have first things first. You have to have mammals before you have humans (doesn't follow that humans "evolve" from any particular mammalian species of course -- as they put it in Rome, post hoc sed non propter hoc). You have to have multicellular organisms before you can have mammals. You have to have eucaryotes before you can have multicellular organisms. They do not evolve anymore than you evolve from age 5 hours to age 5 months to age 5 to age 50. They are all part of the process of unfolding, of which no stage is "higher" than the previous one but every one is "different and the same." We share DNA with absolutely everything that lives. And yet a ladybug is not an evolutionary step toward the First Lady. "(Qi) blows on ten thousand things in ten thousand different ways so each can be itself." -- Zhuangzi So, sequentially it does not compute that we had a Golden Age in the past 200,000 years, and we don't seem to have been here at all before that. (No evolution involved -- just like when you were 5, the 15-year-old you wasn't there. They don't share the same spot of the space-time continuum.) Ice Ages are likely to be real, information cross-references from all manner of disciplines, though who knows -- our sciences having anything to do with life (rather than tech) have been edited so heavily, sometimes I understand the ulterior motives behind adulterating the information we get, but sometimes the purposes of the lies are only known to the lying party all the way to the top and regular scientists and their students can't possibly begin to guess. But if the Ice Age is not another dud, then we are supposed to eat 40% animal protein, 45% animal fat, 15% roots, small tart berries, occasional vegetables. Because that's the only diet that was available to us when we unfolded into our modern anatomical shape. It's not perfect compared to the mythological Golden Age -- but then, when did reality ever match the dream?..

i believe i have accomplished it once or twice. my only proof being that i went to a grocery store and read ingredients on a label and got them correct when i verified the next day. Basically what happens to me when i did it, is that i catch myself in the half awake half asleep state. i was completely aware of my body and its sensations, but i was in an extremely vivid lucid dream. Other times i was just asleep. the part of me that is traveling doesn't have a body but is just a point, and i can see more around me than in my body i did it by pulling energy/blood to my brain before going to sleep, and i got results in 1-2 months with lucidity constantly increasing as long as i never missed a day. i learned how to do this here: http://www.jamesclai...occult.html Honestly i think just doing the first one alone is good for the first half a year to a year, the other ones can be a little too much to handle. Also don't do this if you can't lower energy out of the head PERFECTLY on command. It will work. You will lucid dream and astral project, but during the day you will be constantly tripping and cause yourself a lot of grief. If you aren't prepared for this YOU WILL HURT YOURSELF. You will feel like crap and you wont get restful sleep. But i believe in letting people make their own mistakes so if you are going to do it anyways, PM me and i'll give you all i know about damage prevention in this practice, but i haven't mastered it and that's why i don't do it anymore. Edit - for some reason TTB doesn't like that link, and you have to click another link on the page it takes you to. Or just google "james clair lewis, mental yoga, occult exercises" Edit again - okay now it is working? wth...

wow! have you read any of carlos casteneda? i started with his books on the art of dreaming, then bought robert bruces book astral dynamics years ago. i also bought that other book he did with this other guy cant remember his name THE 90 DAY GUIDE TO ASTRAL PROJECTION. i have those affermations on my ipod and listen to them when i work out. those books helped me alot . waking up within the dream is still a little hard but obe is pretty easy i often go from one to the other. do you practice neikung? since ive made it to a certain level of practice ive been able to reach places i wasnt able to before. and some are well youll just have to go there for yourelf. visit this website and read the tablets if you wish or unless you have already one of the places he speaks of i realized i had been going to and had ben called to since my youth. if you are pretty good at astral projection you will find more than you can imagin there. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/thot/esp_thot_1.htm

Just think of how, when we dream, if we have been turning a blind eye to what's just beyond the surface and neglecting very important things, they arise in our dreams in obvious or subtle ways. If you act on ignorance during waking life, this is like denying the truth of selfless purity. But our mother will always have her way in the end, so that neglected virtue will seek manifestation at some point in your life if you don't pay it off with your attention as currency. Otherwise, it will come to fruition as illness and disease.Since it's our own delusion, we will have to own up to it or dispel it with a sharp, sword-like awareness. Bartering with mother nature, you gotta know when to hold em and when to fold em. The whirled wants what it was promised, your whole life. It wants your complete attention. You can't squander the opportunity to go beyond this spicy jambalaya of cause and effect (LOL) because you never know what shes gonna add next to the stew. When you stop taking the obvious for granted, you will stop getting mixed in with the jump rope oscillations of rising and falling negative and positive energies, which hurt. You will start to coagulate the volatile elements and appreciate the impermanent. You will start to see the middle path, free of extremes. If you think of the body as some sort of out-of-control alien spaceship, then you stop flying directly into the face of dangerous peaks and chasms and opt for the scenic route, because your pilot will finally start reading the manual and realize that blowing up is bad on the engine. It wants you to take responsibility for your evolution at this moment so that it can finally relax and loosen up. The ego takes the earth and puts it on it's back, and then complains when she crushes him to bits while the Buddha rests on her navel, completely unharmed, and shakes it's head like, what an idiot. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. She's a little spiteful already, best just give her what she wants - your whole self. Plunge into the unknown and experience the intensity of the light, till it burns up whatever's left to see, then just be. In the vivid emptiness, totally aware. The more potential you steal (like a natural disaster on a forever-long waiting list), the more selfless you will need to act, so that your energy doesn't bite you back or manifest in untoward ways. It's as deci belle said, self-generated trouble. In order to utilize your full potential, you need to leave behind habits, all of them, so that you dont get twisted up in energetic irony. Really, our entire situation right now is self-generated trouble. Realization is the price that sages must pay for freedom. Once it's known, though, it's natural, so what is there to do? Just be what you have always been - free, from every thing. Once the way is free from debris, you should probably leave... Because your house is on fire, and the deliciously refreshing river of life is just to your left, then take a right! I'm sure if you ask the earth very nicely, maybe she will drown your clay hut with the waters as she dries off her hair after a swim, like Shakyamuni Buddha.

Another good book I have read recently is this Master of lucid dreaming http://www.amazon.co...54350706&sr=8-1 It doesent contain dreaming techniques and its not a manual , but it is very interesting and talks about lucidity from a very interesting point of view. ed :to add that anyone wishing to lucid dream can just try become more lucid during the day and do meditation before sleep an that will definetly result in more and more lucid dreams and being aware of obe and such , plus meditating in the sleep... Lucidity slowly and irregulary starts overtaking replacing old ways of being.

I played with lucid dreaming for a year seven years ago. I'd try to remember my dream when I woke up. The more I could remember, the better. Because dreams tend to repeat itself. When you're in a place that you can remember, you should ask yourself "am I dreaming?". Once you realized that you're in a dream, don't wake up. If you do wake up, don't panic. Try to go back to sleep and pick up from where you left in your dream. Once you know you're in a dream. It's easy to control the dream. It's like second nature. Intuively we know how to be the director of our dreams. At beginning, it was fun. I was flying around like superman. I had some sexual fantasy filled. I'd change the scenery. I'd control the weather in my dreams. I felt like God. I also had OBE. I think I was out of control in my dreams. Finally a scary monstor confronted me. I couldn't kill it. I couldn't change it. I couldn't escape from it. I was so scared that I didn't dare to do lucid dream ever. In a matter of fact, I didn't dare to dream for a year !!!!!! I suspect the dream land is real. There are rules that one should respect. I don't if the tibet dream yoga is similar to lucid dreaming.

Ok ive realised its cool to feel like im progressing but can annoy me when "I feel" i am not progressing or regressing, are these concepts, conceptual things, should this even be my focus..I am, I exist.... Lets see I guess progress is a dream like thing it kind of does exist and it is nice to feel like your improving or aim at something, but is there a better focus, do enlightened masters ponder there progress or get angry at a situation that may make them seem like they are regressing? Just doodling thoughts again?

No need to laugh, there is not much silly about what I said, sure I post silly stuff sometimes, well actually none of its silly just differing viewpoints on reality. Concept does not have the same meaning as non truth, It is like a dream, dreams are a kind of reality too.

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Heads up that http://springforestqigong.com has a free international guild Q & A tomorrow night. You just register on the website for the international guild and then sign into http://springforestqigong/events and look for the practice sessions -- Jim Nance leads it tomorrow night. You can submit questions - he does a meditation also. Anyway it's all just building up the energy. If you're already demonstrating energy -- transmitting it -- then that prevents you from going to a deeper level. Me I live with four females so they suck up all the electromagnetic energy I can create -- or "jing" -- I mean the terminology is different. The question I asked is about the internal tingling I get from food and then the "food goes to my head" and I off-gas crap smell. So I need to build up my jing energy again -- that's why I stopped "Flexing" my pineal gland -- but it looks like I can only build it up from more meditation because if I try eating enough food to build up my energy -- then I smell. haha. My system has to be super pure. So I am still stuck in permanent meditation land - to be a master takes 6 hours of training a day - and Chunyi Lin says full lotus meditation is 20 minutes worth equaling four hours of any other type of meditation. What's the point of me even posting this when all the Western egos freak out and go -- you don't "need" full lotus meditation. Yeah I KNOW -- but if you can sit in full lotus meditation in ease then the ego is not lying to you. So many people practice but actually it's just all their imagination. haha. You can't "imagine" the full lotus -- you can't "fake" the full lotus. So if you're bending people over with Fa Jing -- you mean "no touch"? Again -- well on youtube there are "masters" of Fa Jing -- but it only works on their "students"! haha. So a person has to be very careful about just projecting their imagination -- it's amazing how easily others go along just because they're afraid they'll get beat up or the person will have a tantrum, etc. I'm not saying this is the case at all -- but just as an example. Mainly meditation is done in silence so posting on forums is the OPPOSITE of meditation - which is the irony of thetaobums or any other meditation forum. So when I'm at the computer I always sit in full lotus -- 90% of the time. Yesterday I had a rare day to meditation for several hours in full lotus. So I built up electromagnetic energy and so then it was immediately sucked up by the females needing it. haha. I mean literally if I sit in my room in full lotus building up electromagnetic energy then people start calling my name demanding my energy. haha. When I did my original training six hours a day when I was 29 -- I was not on the internet -- except email -- and I had very little social contacts. I had previously girlfriends as my main social contact and I broke it off with them. So then I was just reading meditation books and I worked on the weekends when hardly anyone was around. Then I had a car and school money so I could regularly get the energy transmissions from Chunyi Lin. So it all worked great but I was studying "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" but that book is very intense and I got to a point in my training but I had not studied the book well enough! haha. So anyway then I discovered Master Nan, Huai-chin and he says how almost all modern practitioners "fall back into worldliness" due to "heroic overexuberance." So again basically if you demonstrate the energy then that creates imbalances and energy loss and more meditation is needed. So Chunyi Lin said that when entering the advanced levels it's best to be in Nature and on retreat -- in solitude or with other practitioners and the energy master guiding the energy. Yeah it's tricky to balance it all out. A few years after I did my intensive training - I was still doing full lotus meditation as much as possible and then luckily I was working at nights and no one was around! So I was able to build up my energy -- without even realizing it. I went to buy a candy bar -- I know BAD -- but it was the middle of the winter and I had just biked to work so I really needed some calories even if empty. O.K. but the metal box that held the junk food -- well my quarters stuck to the box and were rolling UP the side of the box. So I'm all alone and going -- WTH!! So then I think well this metal box is magnetized but how? So then I go -- oh! So I make a "chi ball" putting my palms facing each other and sure enough I had strong electromagnetic fields pushing my hands apart!! So I had magnetized the box and caused the quarters to be magnetized, etc. Of course this energy did not last at all because soon after a female started stalking me at work. haha. I'm not joking either - I used to wait until like 2 a.m. and then I would go into work hoping I had the place to myself - and then she would show up to sit across from me. haha. Anyway that was part of my "O at a D" transmissions -- she was stressed out and so I would charge her up but again it made me smell like crap. Chunyi Lin said - yeah it's great I can give females bliss by flexing my pineal gland but unless I store up energy in my lower tan tien then the energy transmissions will always be weak. I knew this was true but whenever I try to store up my energy I get chased by pervs! haha. So I stopped "flexing" my pineal gland and my brain off-gassing crap smell got 50% better -- now it's just if I eat too much food too fast -- or if I have any sugar, etc. I get this internal tingling -- Chunyi Lin told me "not to worry about it." haha. But basically I am permanently in permanent meditation mode but I can't be since everyone around me is materialistic and thinks meditation is a waste of time and being lazy, etc. haha. So I eat a lot of food and then I do manual labor -- but then I smell like crap, etc. and I think - well it's everyone else's fault for not allowing me to meditate. Anyway so if you can already transmit external energy -- that is awesome!! I know for Chunyi Lin -- he relies on "third person" testimonials. So if you want to be a "master healer" it requires having other people document and sign to how they experienced your energy, etc. Since I was doing "O at a Ds" then that is obviously awkward as it's tantric love energy -- and not the type of thing people would want to admit to in public. So then people don't believe me if I talk about it - and that's fine with me because again I stopped "flexing" my pineal gland. haha. Jim Nance said he's seen people deplete their energy because they doing energy transmissions but they are not relying on calling on their master's energy to recharge themselves. I think this is what Jim Nance meant before when he said the spirits would not like it if he wrote a memoir of his training -- or also posting info on the internet, etc. Basically it takes pretty much 6 hours of meditation a day in order to transmit energy every day without depleting it. If you can get your energy strong enough to replace sleep with meditation then it's possible but right now my energy is not strong enough. I know where my energy was at and it was so amazing yet no one I knew could even fathom it. My friend who sat five feet from me and exclaimed: what are you doing to me! When my energy was its strongest he urged me to see him in an outdoor theatre performance. So I biked across town and I sat outside and I watched -- the whole time I thought - this is such a waste compared to sitting in my room and meditating with this amazing energy!! But people just have no conception of the power of meditation and so they don't respect it. haha. Chunyi Lin said I should have "called him" when my energy got to that level -- but I didn't have any extra money for a phone healing. At the time he was doing the healings out of his house. I didn't want to disturb him and i didn't feel worthy to need his personal guidance. Also I thought that any information I needed I would get just through the spiritual contact through meditation. haha. It wasn't tell years later that I finally found the passage in "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" that states dizziness is caused by the shen spirit leaving the body too early and so it needs to be stored back into the lower tan tien to build up the chi energy first. So when I had sat in full lotus the room was spinning around me! I needed to know what caused that and I was searching books - Sri Chimnoy said: "Oh that's just the cosmic energy." haha. For example Master Nan, Huai-chin says that as the energy gets advanced there will be precognition. I was already getting amazing precognition - and this blows the mind! I mean you experience something in "real" life that you ALREADY experienced in a dream or vision state as just as real. So I called it the "glitches in the matrix." Anyway when I read Master Nan, Huai-chin saying this precognition is normal -- he then states that it only works for little events and not like big prophecies for society, etc. Master Nan, Huai-chin says that this precognition is just normal and no big deal and to just ignore it basically. haha. So anyway obviously when the energy does get advanced then things get wild fast. I still have had telepathy -- and so from experience I realized that when I go to meditate in full lotus with the eyes closed -- then it's based on desire right. So whatever thought I have - if the emotional intensity is strong enough -- then sure enough the person who I am thinking about then contacts me. Now I am basically a hermit so no one contacts me normally. One person who contacted me -- I had not talked to them in 15 years and they were not a close friend. But I had seen them on an email list and so I thought - I didn't want to bother them with my strangeness -- so I thought that the person will have to contact me. So I did it as an experiment and I focused on it in my meditation - for them to contact me. The SAME day -- soon after my meditation - the person emailed me. It was really amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-A_nhDhzMs&feature=fvwrel This Adam Dream Healer is confirmed by qigong master Chunyi Lin as having his third eye fully opened..... long distance healing energy! Visualizing heat power!

Qigong master Effie P. Chow says Adam the Dream Healer is the real deal - fully opened third eye. Here he describes when he goes into trance to see lights -- he comes out having forgotten where he is....

As for your pure being/awareness goes, evidently you feel you can be the judge as deluded as you are. Until you experience pure nonbeing, you have no basis for objectivity to judge your own everyday mind— much less your enthusiastic contentious notions of what could possibly constitute "pure being". As for your nonsensical spray about buddhas not having to experience enlightenment even once… even a buddha has nothing over anyone who knows their original face. Spend less time pimping your imaginary buddha and become an awakened human being yourself. It's not easy before and it's not easy afterwards either. Dogen said, "Buddhas become people and people become buddhas." In other words, become a buddha first, then learn how to be a realized human being. Only an ignoramus would endeavor to employ reason to express the inconceivable. Anyone can understand understanding, only an enlightening being can understand not-understanding. How do you thing the classics came to be? Having fathomed my mind, I would not dream (as you do) to use logic to express the unspeakable. Furthermore, sudden realization is not a matter where one exists to experience anything. Among other things, it is the event of one's inherent selfless potential returning to its source. YOU DON'T GET TO GO. Where potential is the same as living awareness, no different than the seat of your current replaying states of ignorance— it's just that you do not see it is why you take imaginary causes reflective of an habitual self-propping ego-driven psychological apparatus, as proof that you do, in fact, exist. Since you completely misunderstood my expression (and liked it too, if I recall correctly), I fail to corroborate your multiple versions of what you have taken to be your idea of pure being. Those must have been lovely experiences, mon ami~ but even though realization only happens once, one must still go further and shatter the absolute, which is no mean concept, before one steps over eternity. Only then is one an equal of prior illuminates, able to follow in their footsteps as you place yours as theirs, and proceed up the gradual incline. The gradual path leading to the sudden is finite. The path beyond eternity has no words. This is entering the tao in reality, planting lotuses in fire, taking over creation in order to steal potential, able to match creative evolution with the virtue of receptivity, effecting creative evolution without ever again entering the matrix of karmic cycles of yin and yang. You know, seeing through phenomena without negating appearances. You know, the middle way, suchness …enlightening being. Surely old-hat for someone such as you, hmmmmmm? Obviously you have no knowledge of the absolute, much less the sense to realize that one must already be in harmony with nonoriginated selfless awareness in the first place. Enlightenment is just an indication of harmony with the way. It has no intrinsic meaning. Its like being sick, and you know it; but then finally actually being temporarily bedridden~ then finally returning to health, delicately aware of your weakness, eventually to simply just forget you were ever sick at all as you resume ordinary activities. Enlightenment is like reversing your process of growing up and being born, only to be born again in the unborn. The source of inconceivability doesn't owe you a logical cause, yet you insist that something beyond even the mysteries of creation should be as logically comprehensible as a democratic entitlement—as if. You must be able to be done with your worldly ignorance (your intellectual entitlement issues) to enter into the entry-level experience of simple awakening— which is none other than realizing self is a wonderful and effective, functional illusion. BUT MISTAKING ONE'S THIEVING PSYCHOLOGICAL SPIRIT AS ENLIGHTENED MIND IS THE NUMBER ONE ERROR OF STUDENTS OF SELF-REFINEMENT OF ALL TIME. Your mistake is so common this saying has been the hallmark of buddhist study since before bodhidharma's coming from the west. As I said before, call it what you like, but you have a loooooooong way to go~ isn't that good to know?❤ ed note: typo four paragraphs from the end

i've been interested in spirituality my whole life, and have been practicing and studying yoga (particularly 'kundalini yoga') on and off for about 4 years, along with a mish-mash of study and experimentaiton with meditation, 'astral projection', theurgy and entheogens for the past 6 years. Recentlyi have become more serious/regular about my yogic practice as i have become much more sensitive to the energies and subtler dimensions in my body and around me. (or should i say they've become much more apparent to me!) anyway, i recently had an experience while meditating after doing a relatively vigorous yoga routine focusing on the chakras that felt most empty. pretty soon after starting my meditation i saw these lights that i've seen before during deep meditation. a goldish yellow haze dancing with a whitish blue haze behind my closed eyes. i've seen and played with this same imagery as i've drifted to sleep for the past couple of years as well and thought it was just 'hypnagogic imagary'. (i should also note i believe that playing with this light in my mind before sleep led me into lucidity during my dream state.) but this time i was wide awake and seeing it after just a few seconds of meditation! anyway, i opened my eyes and could clearly see what i geuss is my aura, darker colored light closer to my body about a half inch thick and a fuzzier, lighter colored layer above that didnt clearly really have shape, seemed to big to just sit and look at the whole thing just from my vantage point. the more i focused on the whiter light it became the same as the golden light dancing with the blue light when my eyes were closed and the blue light came back and seemed to swirl into and dance with the gold light. i watched as the gold hazy cloud formed in my room against my wall and sort of pulsated, seeming to condense the blue light into a tight little ball which seemed to be a deeper more electric seeming blue(possibly ultraviolet?). i focused on the ball and could see vauge electric lookin details/patterns moving within it. the vision started to fade so once again i closed my eyes. the electric blue almost purple round ball remained burnt into my vision, and i could see a host of other similar colors that like ive been saying, i can only really describe as being deep electric looking colors. i could se many vauge patterns and constructs moving behind my eyes faintly. faintly then faded to fainter and fainter until i couldnt see the colors anymore, but could still see vauge movement. i've read since that hinduism talks about this 'blue pearl of wisdom' and it reminded me of a story i heard a while back of a yogi that had a blue ball appear in his meditative state that eventually took a human form and comunicated with the yogi.

whats up, i've been a member of this forum for awhile and never posted. I'm alex, i'm 21 and from the state of Georgia in the US. i've been interested in spirituality my whole life, and have been practicing and studying yoga (particularly 'kundalini yoga') on and off for about 4 years, along with a mish-mash of study and experimentaiton with meditation, 'astral projection', theurgy and entheogens for the past 6 years. Recentlyi have become more serious/regular about my yogic practice as i have become much more sensitive to the energies and subtler dimensions in my body and around me. (or should i say they've become much more apparent to me!) anyway, i recently had an experience while meditating after doing a relatively vigorous yoga routine focusing on the chakras that felt most empty. pretty soon after starting my meditation i saw these lights that i've seen before during deep meditation. a goldish yellow haze dancing with a whitish blue haze behind my closed eyes. i've seen and played with this same imagery as i've drifted to sleep for the past couple of years as well and thought it was just 'hypnagogic imagary'. (i should also note i believe that playing with this light in my mind before sleep led me into lucidity during my dream state.) but this time i was wide awake and seeing it after just a few seconds of meditation! anyway, i opened my eyes and could clearly see what i geuss is my aura, darker colored light closer to my body about a half inch thick and a fuzzier, lighter colored layer above that didnt clearly really have shape, seemed to big to just sit and look at the whole thing just from my vantage point. the more i focused on the whiter light it became the same as the golden light dancing with the blue light when my eyes were closed and the blue light came back and seemed to swirl into and dance with the gold light. i watched as the gold hazy cloud formed in my room against my wall and sort of pulsated, seeming to condense the blue light into a tight little ball which seemed to be a deeper more electric seeming blue(possibly ultraviolet?). i focused on the ball and could see vauge electric lookin details/patterns moving within it. the vision started to fade so once again i closed my eyes. the electric blue almost purple round ball remained burnt into my vision, and i could see a host of other similar colors that like ive been saying, i can only really describe as being deep electric looking colors. i could se many vauge patterns and constructs moving behind my eyes faintly. faintly then faded to fainter and fainter until i couldnt see the colors anymore, but could still see vauge movement. i've read since that hinduism talks about this 'blue pearl of wisdom' and it reminded me of a story i heard a while back of a yogi that had a blue ball appear in his meditative state that eventually took a human form and comunicated with the yogi. any additional info and advice on this phenomena would be great! glad to be here! much love! alex

I'll just leave this one comment here and probably not make followup comments, because I don't feel like reading so much of this stuff. It seems that ayahuasca opens your waking consciousness to your subconscious. It shows you the stuff that you chose not to see, and it shows you the belief systems that sunk into your subconscious and there maybe shape reality for you. I think that's why some people have their/certain beliefs about profound questions confirmed. They don't realize that when you enter the entheogen realm, there is no absolute truth anymore, just as time vanishes, too. So what you experience and believe to be the truth (because just like in the dream state you think what you experience is real) might simply be your own subconscious beliefs. For example, Joe Rogan said he thinks we are just bacteria, just a cancer on the face of the earth. This has nothing to do with truth as we usually understand it. It's his program of creating reality, competing with other people's programs of creating reality. It's your choice what to believe, and if you experience something during an ayahuasca trip that doesn't vibe with you, then feel free to make a decision to change that belief system and let the update sink in deeply. The more my ayahuasca experiences move into the past, the more I personally, for me, feel like what I experienced during the trip is less useful than having made the trip itself. The changes in you that you are not aware of might be why you are doing the trip. If what you experienced is just confusing, then let it go. You don't want confusion, right? It's about being your own author, to have omnipotence over yourself and make changes. I can only speak from my own experiences, but nothing is certain or fixed when taking ayahuasca. Easy to fool yourself. As a shaman once said: Ayahuasca can be the worst of liars. - Actually, that's not hitting the core. There cannot be a lie if there is no truth. Only you can be that liar, if you choose to stick to the self-deception once you have been shown it.

99.99% void with some dancing energy waves that create the illusion of solidity "form is emptiness, emptiness is form" a glorified dream that remains as it was yesterday for our benefit (or for some reason beyond comprehension) ultimately, the more you try to intellectualize about reality, the further you are getting away from the essence of that reality. So that is why i meditate.. to cultivate direct experience of things in an unfabricated way great post michael, thanks