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It depends on what you mean by "true". For example, you may have a dream in which you perceive yourself falling off a cliff, and it may feel "true", but when you wake up you regard it as "false". Then you may fall off a cliff while awake, and perceive it to be "true" then you hit the ground and die. In terms of sensory experience, it seems to be more about what you are feeling. For example, whether or not you regard your senses as being accurate indicators of "the true universe" or not, I challenge you to stick your hand into a fire and disbelieve that it hurts, and that you feel no pain whatsoever, and further that your body is not damaged by it. In contrast to ideas of what things are, and descriptions about how they work, the senses will provide a much more immediately energetic assessment of living experience - regardless of how "true" or "false" you may wish to describe it. Having an idea of power is one thing, and actually having power is quite another. The same goes for understanding, awareness, vision, etc.

edit> It strikes me I didn't answer F.'s question. I think most people start out with IIH, Initiation Into Hermetics. The commentaries I list below are based on it. I'd say warm up the printer and get some ink. The free commentaries by Rawn Clark - http://abardoncompanion.com/CommentariesLinks.html are excellent 'Cliff Notes'. William Mistele has a similar indepth notes - http://williammistele.com/basic.html (scroll down a bit for the commentary) as well as observations and stories. Most of the stuff on Rawn Clark's site is free. He has some audio commentaries on the IIH that are worthwhile but are relatively cheap looks like they're free now - http://www.abardoncompanion.com/Lecture/index.html . Some additional pointers and advice. Both practitioners tell of opening up to a wider world where there are myriad spirits open for communication and seem to have mastered dream work. More importantly they seem level headed not too far out. For a while Rawn had a Q&A forum. When asked for proof of power. He'd only say study and find out for yourself. Which might be an incomplete answer for some. You can find a couple of podcast interviews with him too.

I did some MCO's in my dreams last night, it was pretty neat . I've had Bagua circle walking dreams before where I woke up with sore legs lol, haven't had one in ages though. I really need to write every dream down, I have found that this brings about far more lucid dreams.

In my view it does not matter how you enter the lucid dreamstate via sleep or hypnosis or active imagination or visualisation or indeed drugs. I think it is the same state. And from my understanding is the landscape of the ethetic body(?) just as earth is the landscape of our physical. Again from what I have read I understand that this vibrates at a higher rate to the physical. And to enter this dreamscape fully we have to leave awareness of our physical body behind. To conciously do this we need energy to vibrate higher, we need concious attention. Jung apparently used to let himself fall into dreams fully concious from waking conciousness. I managed to do this for a while years ago by being as Silent Thunder says lucid in my waking hours. I scared my self shitless though, as in dreams you feel the world and I was not emotionally very balanced at the time. I think it's a good way to experience yourself. Other people in dreamstates also contact spirit guides as Jung and Edwin Steinbrecher did. Would be interested to here others experiences. Edwin saw archetypes as energies and guides as seperate individual being like us. Not sure what you mean by 'dream science'

Thanks for that book recommendation looks very very good, have placed that in my 'saved for later' category and will buy it on my next spending spree. There are so many ways one could work in dreams as it is such a creative environment. Years ago I did some 'past life' regression with a woman called Denise Linn which I found to be pretty powerful. In a guided meditation I went through a visual time tunnel into a 'past life' to pull something from the past life to use in the present, did not know where I was going or what I was getting. I went back to the African savana where I was part of nomadic tribe, my ego told me maybe I was here to learn how to be a hunter? I asked my spirit guide Musafa who we were guided by Denise to meet at the entrance to the time tunnel. After some evaluating who I was I asked him why I was there and he showed me a skull and told me I was there to learn peace. Out of nowhere from deep down I felt a big release and cried like a baby. In another session I went back to see my self as a child (again emotional but ultimately healing). What ever I do in dreams I will do it with love as it is all me and thinking about it this is how I should act in the world too :-) Read today that Tibetans say this all a dream: http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/may3/gateways.htm If you can imagine it, you can do it. Many thanks NowHere ∞

Alcohol is part of Vajrayana. Just accept it. Even during mystical dream experiences, tertons drink booze.

while lying in bedwaking from a dream, joyous his fifth star was found

I deny that burning fossil fuels is causing an unhealthy level of pollution! All of life is a trade off. You can live to 80 with pollution or you can live to 40 without pollution. You pick. Before the internal combustion engine, life was hard and life was short. But even that isn't a fair comparison because you can not compare reality to a dream. Life without fossil fuels was ugly and unsanitary. Imagine life without refrigeration, without plumbing. Imagine a city where horses are the main form of transportation. Rotten food, poop all over the streets, and who knows what else. Why don't you consider that pollution? You can imagine that it might have been possible to skip the step of fossil fuels and go right to paradise, but it wasn't and it isn't. Life is a trade off. You can condemn anything if you ignore the positives. Name any surgery that makes sense if you only focus on the negative? Why have brain surgery when you can have magic? You can not compare reality to a dream.

Just raise your vibration and keep it raised. You do not need to do anything more than this but also, anything less than this! There is no real need to look at the ins and outs of a particular situation or transaction except to grow as a person. If your vibration is high, you will instantly respond in a pleasant fashion that repels any potential suffering. Suffering occurs by mutual exchange. Your energy field agrees to take it on for whatever reason. Keep your Spirit in a very high state and you will be completely invulnerable. Of course these hitches may happen often for reason already explained above, on the path to high Spirit. Once you feel really deep knowingness of the Spirit, all you really need to do, ever, is to cultivate it 24/7 and permeate the Higher Self into everything you do. Think about this. A child may live or die but it is certain that some will live. Now think about this: each of us is expressing ourselves and projecting our dream onto Reality. As your head rises into the sky, literally, your reality is actualised around you, always. Then you grow weaker and your head shrinks again towards the ground after the apex point. Now consider that the heavens are literally 'forward' in time. So when you abide in High Spirit, you are literally sticking your head over the clouds that other people are below of - you are operating from a definite future pulling the past/the Momment towards it! See this: http://www.themindunleashed.org/2013/09/how-to-by-pass-your-reptilian-brain-and.html When you abide in neocortical flow, you are a man of the future. It is like you have beamed back in time to create yourself getting to the grander You. Nature loves you so much because you love Nature so much, that it will grant your every wish. When your ego disappears, so does everybody else's! If you feel the need to cause someone ego loss, you are still in ego! Annihilate your ego with all of your rage and your rage will turn into Spirit and obliterate everybody "else's" ego Yes, even if you are in a state of mental silence it is still possible to exert ego. So be vigilant against yourself. Ego disappears in the state of TOTAL no-thought. And No-Thought feels scary, like death. Until you slip into it and realise it's the "superpowers" you were looking for in the first place 44. The Thief Who Became a Disciple One evening as Shichiri Kojun was reciting sutras a thief with a sharp sword entered, demanding wither his money or his life. Shichiri told him: "Do not disturb me. You can find the money in that drawer." Then he resumed his recitation. A little while afterwards he stopped and called: "Don't take it all. I need some to pay taxes with tomorrow." The intruder gathered up most of the money and started to leave. "Thank a person when you receive a gift," Shichiri added. The man thanked him and made off. A few days afterwards the fellow was caught and confessed, among others, the offense against Shichiri. When Shichiri was called as a witness he said: "This man is no thief, at least as far as I am concerned. I gave him the money and he thanked me for it." After he had finished his prison term, the man went to Shichiri and became his disciple.

Terma is a teaching revealed in a dream?

What a joke Wikipedia is. Only one tradition has terma. I never heard of a Advaita Vedanta text revealed in a dream. Gaudapada just ripped off Madhyamaka.

I became lucid in Void once. In much the same way that I become lucid in the dream state; I became aware in Void while asleep one night. I suddenly became lucid. I was succinctly aware that there was nothing to be aware of... I had no body, there was no form and beyond the staggering fact that there was no form, I had an instinctive understanding that in this presence, form was impossible. Nothing I had ever known or would ever understand was anywhere in relation to this 'place'. Impossible Darkness, Utter Isolation. The magnitude of the thought was terrorizing and nauseating. I had no idea, no word for it. The only thought was that any reality I had ever associated with, was impossibly far away... unreachable. Panic ensued and I awoke. Much later I was reading a description of sonic models of dimensional travel that described the 'void' that exists between each note in a scale or each dimension in a reality and the resonance of that experience returned with full recall. I had a word for my experience. Void.

It has now been 42 days since the beginning of my voluntary celibacy, and in that time I have only spilled the seed once involuntarily, and this was due to a demon in a dream. I have since minimized this by adjusting diet and meditating before bed. i don't know whether to go for permanent conservation of jing or just set myself a period such as 5 yrs. i kid you not, but my body has literally changed in this period. my eyes are darker, more full of life magic. my voice has deepened, and others are more aware of me and my energy. During the day however I still struggle with keeping some of the energies at bay. Occasionally when I am in the presence of a physically desirable female I feel a slightly pleasurable, warm feeling that originates in the kundalini gland and percolates up the spine until i can literally feel it entering my brain....when this happens, it feels like fireworks are occurring in my brain and I often get a headache. i keep advil on hand, lol. should i feel bad about these feelings? my understanding is that these feelings and desires are natural, but the ultimate goal is to completely redirect the energies into the highest form of life pursuit. One thought does occur to me - at some point in my life, i would like to enter into a serious, lasting intimate relationship with a woman. How could i practice a form of sexuality which cultivates, rather than destroys this energy, without seeming to be a deviant or prude? the type of sexuality i seem to be able to experience doesn't even require contact, i feel that in such a setting, i could just be in the presence of the body and soul of another i love and soak up the energy itself. is this unnatural or strange?

"Dumb, then, for the merely not-yet-dead of us to love the thing that kills us. But I do. So beautiful, so various, so new. Some times I want to bang their heads on the Universe and scream, 'It's beautiful, you balmy bastards! THIS IS NOT A DREAM.' " ---- George Starbuck, "The Universe is Closed and Has REMs"

Is it a dream? Or is it all we have? Do we want to get off the ride, if it means a total off switch.

basically you are asking why do you wanna wake up from a dream

Answ. 1> Nah, you've got a good soul and care about people. 2> Personally I don't think we can gods, not here, not now. Thats like thinking we can have a billion billion dollars. Desire for something that imo is not possible is not the road to happiness. No flying, no billion or millions; good news- we don't need it. We have planes and credit cards. More importantly friends, family and tbs. 3>The secret is: they're not you. They have other wants, needs and interests. Once you find out about those, they're pretty simple to figure out. 4>Robert Moss didn't say, but who cares? We're not Moss'ians. In truth none of us 'Know', some assume with greater confidence then others. Moss assumes death will echo his deeper dream work moments, maybe, maybe not. I know one thing. We have here and now. And you my friend are singing the blues. If you want to snap out of it, find a way, work on it. Here's what I'd recommend. Take a news fast. We all need to every now and then. Note, that might include this site. Often the news is a concentration of everything bad in the world. The world won't end and it'll be like a shower for your soul. Focus on the Good happening around you. This will take some conscious practice. There's a child playing, a piece of nature, a blue sky, bright sun, a needed rain, your own health, the wonder of your incredible eyes.. Its out there, always. Learn to see it. Stop with judgements. For others and yourself. Its so ingrained its hard to stop, but Its major source for depression.

yeah according to the dharma, form doesn't arise from emptiness in a created way, but is emptiness (and emptiness is form). So in that sense, nothing arises from anything else in the way posited by the OP, and to that extent the original question is phrased incorrectly. If you ask "if" form arises from emptiness you will get different answers. But asking "how does it" assumes that it does, which is not a universal POV. lol not to be a dick, trying to help clarify, which can oftentimes obscure by mistake... Master Lao posited that from one came two, and so on, until the ten thousand things had manifested, and while the literal interpretation of that could be disputed, it does at first glance imply that things arose from a source which was other than itself, ultimately back to Tao which manifests spontaneously. This has led to a lot of conflation of Chinese Tao and western God which has nothing to do with Master Lao's POV as i understand it. Shakyamuni Buddha posited that things are not created by anything other than themselves, nor by their own nature, (nor by both or something that is neither) but are spontaneously uncreated and exist in an illusory state like a dream. Other lineage masters have posited different things, but the question that the OP is trying to ask has been on everyone's mind for a long time, and while there are several versions of the answer to it, nobody has really proven anything from a scientific point of view except to mention some indirect support like the first law of thermodynamics, which (if i remember) is that energy/matter is never created or destroyed. Also it has been posited (but of course not proven) that the sum total of all the energy in the universe is zero (taking into account matter and anti-matter, positive and negative energy, and so forth) so i personally, seeing the support from science math and logic, i take the point of view of Shakyamuni and company, hence the first two sentences of this post.

Dreams are that way too. We dream we are a butterfly but the butterfly really doesn't exist when we wake up. Dragonflies are that way too. You think you see one and look hard to focus and the bass makes it non-existant.

Hello all I'm a gardener by trade and live in England. I'm basically where I'm at thanks to watching Bill Hicks in the early 90s... '...all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration...that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather...' I've spent the last 6 years investigating a number of buddhisms- bouncing from Therevada, Soto Zen, a brush with a certain Tibetan-based controversial group, until ending up reading a lot of Shinran's work and modern books on his writings. Unfortunately I just can't readily buy into the concepts of Anatman and Dependent Origination after all that time. The last 5 months I've really struggled with these to the point where something just went 'pop!' and I know it's time to move on. I have got a lot out of Buddhadharma but if you really struggle with these 2 cornerstones of the philosophy I think it's time to admit you're wired up more for advaita-stylee. Prior to that I'd been initially impressed and then massively nonplussed by a number of fairly well-known modern Non-Dualists, to the point of going on weekend retreats, lectures, etc that for the most part seemed a bit of a swizz to me. I've also been re-reading some Dao books I bought years ago too... they seem to have more resonance now, either because I'm older and/or thanks to the Buddhist immersion. I'm currently looking at some 'traditional' advaita books and websites and am finding the work of Dennis Waite refreshing and hugely beneficial. I've been not-very-good at zazen, vipassana and other meditation techniques that I've tried and I'm deliberating on whether or not to pursue TM. (Looks like over here you can get quite a big £ discount if you book a course with a letter from your Doctor). I found 'naturally 'zoning out'' in gardens, parklands, woods and even watching the clothes go round in the washing machine more beneficial to any structured form of meditation I've tried so far. Yes, I'm probably an idiot but I'm enjoying the ride!

As long as they "support" my "truths", I don't see any problem. In my mom's world "I help you with your dream, you help me build mine."

I concede that men of genius like Einstein, Tesla, Maxwell, etc. All had the ability to visualize to a near superhuman degree and dream up the correct answers and solutions to their problems, but always these ideas were firmly tested in reality. Logical, rational, scientific, well mapped out systems, are truly the only ones that have ever led us anywhere. For instance we wouldn't have the space program, nuclear technology, computer technology, etc had great minds not worked, studied, researched and applied the scientific method to help us discover and understand the principals which make those technologies possible. Real spiritual systems that actually do something, took thousands of people trying different things and most of them dying as a result of the experimentation to discover what worked and what did not. The only counter argument I can see that might be valid is that you may argue that spiritual systems may exist for entertainment purposes, or artistic/decorative purposes, without serving any practical function. Indeed for most spiritual seekers this seems to be the case, a game of roleplaying where the goal is to roleplay you are not roleplaying. Real spiritual systems that get real results are mapped out in a clearly defined and linear way, that makes sense. It's called science.

These are some of my favourite lines from all the Gospels. My interpretation is that they are all about non-duality, "whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death" I think is talking about the fundamental identity, who you were before you were born. "When he finds he will become troubled" I have also heard it translated as "When he finds he will be disturbed", this is because realising the fundamental identity can be disturbing and threatening to the individual egoity. Many people talk about love and bliss and such things when talking about non-duality but here they say you will be troubled and I am personally glad someone said this as this is my experience of it, because what are the real deep implications that you and everyone else are on the fundamental level the same being? we are all one being, I bet even just reading these words is threatening to some people because it means that you as a separate individual will never be special, all the ideas you have held your whole life about who you are proved false and the question emerges as to who has been running the show the whole time. Many teachers have described it as like waking up from a dream, so imagine waking up and realising that it is someone else than the person you see yourself now wakes up, someone else or something else wakes up through you, isn't that troubling or disturbing? It's almost like a Steven King novel from one perspective. You become astonished by recognising that the universe is becoming aware of itself through you, then because you recognise you are the all you rule over the all because it is you.

I get Sounds True's weekly email. They had some interesting podcasts for download. "The Path of Dream Yoga" by Tami Simon, a free 65 minute discussion. And one from Ken Wilber about "Proof of God" which only 15 minutes. If you think they may be your cup of tea- http://www.soundstrue.com/weeklywisdom/?agmepisode=8373&wwepisode=8379&pepisode=8357&ppepisode=1777&utm_source=soundstrue&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weeklywisdom-130920&_bta_tid=3.RM0.AmdITA.A0nS.JspH..ctYU.b..s.V-k.a.Ujz2mA.Ujz2mA.Oz4cDQ&_bta_c=8zen86jlkpo2wuute1c71zjt92puf Actually I haven't listened to either all the way yet. They had a good interview with Margot Anand that I thought was very good. I have one of her old books. She's a Tantrist who stopped teaching and practicing for 7 years, then has come back to the field fresh.

For starters, we all already can. If we confidently feel that the sun shall rise tomorrow morning then that is predicting the future. Seeing the future is all about understanding how things change – from what, into what. That is all it is. So why can’t we do it all the time? It’s because we have got it into our heads that we are all imperfect, vulnerable beings that need certain things to happen in the future. We think we can’t be well or happy unless things that we lack come our way. We see these amazing things come to other people, we look at the sequence of events that led to the success and we think we can replicate them. We think that we can simply lift the ingredients out of that person’s unique circumstances and apply them to ourselves. This is magical thinking, pure and simple. But these kind of illusions fill our head. We spend 99.97% of our mental energy on trying to orchestrate outcomes that were never going to happen and don’t even need to happen. But there’s something even more tragic… Every now and then we imagine something amazing and desirable. And this time, we are right, it really will come our way. The dream job, the love our lives, really are our destiny and ours for the taking. We all know this feeling. But because we think that we are the aforementioned individuals with our own wills, we don’t realise that it’s OK to be passive We totally ignore the fact that we just need to be patient, that the time isn’t quite right yet. We don’t believe that time itself will help us a lending hand. So we rush blindly on, cause upset and strife…and end up delaying what is rightfully ours. So we needlessly chase what we won’t ever get. And then we push away what was almost ours already. This is human suffering in a nutshell. So how do we know what great stuff will really be ours? How do we see the difference? You can’t know, not logically – the solution, as always, is spiritual. All you can do is have the confidence to know that what you really want and desire, you already have. Through meditation and prayer you must get to know the serene self that is pretty much OK whatever happens. When you get to know this inner guy, you are in a position to discern the following: If you want something really badly but you see that it will cause others or yourself pain or anxiety…then the time is not right. You have a vision for the future, but others do not share it. If they shared it, your plans wouldn’t cause them pain. For to have pain and anxiety is to fear the future. And we only fear the future when we are unable to predict it. You don’t know who is the better prophet, you or they. Have you divined something they can't see? or can they not see, it because it is just you chasing fantasies that aren't going to happen? So you must sit right back, and what for time to show you. One of two things will happen: 1) Your desire will remain constant and adverse circumstances will change in your favour. 2) Adverse circumstances will remain constant and your desire will fade away until you are adjusted to them. Either of these processes brings you peace. The peace that comes when your desires and reality are no longer in discord. Repeat this for as many times as you need to, after a while your erroneous inauthentic desires for the future will cease. Each time you learn to lean back and rely on your serene inner self, you strengthen him and weaken the fearful guy who imagines things wrongly. From now on, the only thoughts you have about the future will be what will actually happen. Now you can see the future!