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Well to respond: 1. Sitting in full-lotus (which not everyone can do - I can't even do half-lotus but that doesn't stop me from meditating anyway and I've still managed to see some good results!) - pardon for the digress. Anyway...sitting in full-lotus is part of that whole 'self-refinement' vs self-gratification thing I mentioned earlier. Very few people do it. And most don't see why they'd need to or want to anyway. It's asking the typical Secularist-Spiritual-but-not-Religious-Science-luving citizen to take on faith that there IS such a thing as self-refinement and thus higher states of being a human than what they already know and experience in their everyday lives. In short - to them it sounds suspiciously like propaganda to pacify the growing anger the average middle class technical/creative class strata feels justified in feeling. They don't yet see how their living style and high-paying job is a crucial part of the leviathan that greases the whole system...lose this class and the elites will finally have to reveal their hand...aka brute force "peace keeping"..aka overturning posse comitatas...aka regular media-talking heads denouncing the increasing radicalization and polarization going on in society by [insert bogeyman-of-the-month here]. 2. It's not required to see things less Western in order to see "Reality Isn't What it Used to Be". I'd say that's actually a diversion although possibly interesting if it gives new ideas and options. All that's required is for people to realize they're finally going to have to give up a lot of things they STILL (even now) see as sacred cows in their very own lives. Everybody is trying to get some other guy/gal to be the one to take the hit and point the finger at instead of realizing they already have power to re-write the rules of the game without 'pre-authorization' from any elites. They always ever did. That's why new methods of social interaction begin whenever calamity hits. People finally wake up from the dream and realize that since the old order is gone even in the midst of suffering there are new ways to begin solving problems in their lives directly.

Sounds like the boy in the John chang vid is coming out subconsciously in your dream. Now sure about the car door. haha. Yeah the training in the Wang Liping book is very much like Chunyi Lin -- even the yin yang water. Also Chunyi Lin said he levitated up 9 feet -- spiraling in full lotus - when he was in deep meditation in the mountains in china. Also the Theravadin meditation master of Thailand - Phra Achran Mun -- his biography is free online -- so his meditation friend also is levitating -- in that book. Anyway in India there is a fake levitation trick on youtube so it's possible your relative so that - they sit in a platform suspended on a rod - hidden under their robe, etc. But who knows -- ? I mean real levitation is very very rare but the skeptics assume it's fake just because there are fakers out there. haha. There's a show of a dude going to Tibet to see a famous levitating monk but he's a fake also.

After reading the Magus of Java I am know reading Opening the Dragon Gate. Whilst reading this later book I have had two dreams that I met the same man in Indonesia who was trying to heal a small boy with his Chi, nei gong. In both dreams his power is so strong that not to hurt the boy he puts the boy in a car and through the car door he starts his nei gong whilst he is standing outside the car. Both times the car door buckles partially under the chi power and then goes into the boy whom seems indifferent. Then the Indonesian man talks to me in Indonesian but I cant seem to make out what he's trying to say to me when I wake up. He doesnt look like John Chang but I wonder if my dream is implying him or not. Plus who is the small sick boy in the car.....?

Here is my teachers experiance with opening the real micro cosmic orbit through a period of intense Meditation. Its translated from chinese so doesnt really all make sense. i think its a interesting read Zhou Tianhong wonderful landscape DR: XU I practiced small Zhou Tian Gong has 20 more than 10 years, began on Qigong and life sciences have covered. Lei has in recent years by the deepening and development. Uphold for a long time, Shouyiliangduo, a fitness illnesses, Mong God Yiqi, Zhu Yan beauty, but I have never taught to the people. According to your recommendation, I will be here practicing their own small Zhou Tian Gong experience to organize, practice is focused on the various stages of work elephants and effectiveness, problem-solving construction, to help you practice this work. The so-called small Zhou Tian Gong practitioners is in production and aggregation of Zhenqi, Ai-breaking clearance. To achieve along the Du Channel, Renmo operation, illnesses and fitness exercises. In the body's meridians, Du Channel, Ren Mai is the most important, is the most wide vein, the two channels. The one-Governor Du Meridian, commonly known as "sea-clock"; Renmo a total of the overcast, commonly known as "Yam pulse of the sea." Du Meridian longer, and the two ends of back bends, was surrounded Renmo trend, Du Channel and Renmo communication and coordination between the level, to a large extent determined by the body's yin and yang balance and health. Zhou Tianhong power in the small training process, Zhenqi from scratch and from weak to strong and surround Du Channel, Zhou Tianhong Renmo completed a cycle of experience to give birth to Dantian gas, gas-pass, gas will be more than 100 points, Gas-on Dantian, gas charged in the Dantian, return to the six-stage. This completed the six stages of practice, Du Channel, Renmo will be opened, the gas-clock network of gas with Yam sympathetic harmony. When entering a state of quiet, in the upper and lower Dantian between will form a map similar to Tai Chi-yang and Yinqi pay embracing the mission come to Zhenqi, Zhenqi Mission of operation, the body can promote smooth qi and blood, viscera coordination, yin and yang Balance, and emotional Shu, as illnesses and fitness, beauty-God. Zhenqi in the formation and operation of the various stages of the process, because of how many different levels, through different points of the pass, as the power and effectiveness also varies. It should be noted that each stage unique sense of gas, Neijing spectacular mystery, the magic is gratifying effect. Below I put all stages of their work experience and effectiveness as outlined below. (1)-gave birth to Dan Tian. Exercises about 10 days, under the Dantian generate an egg the size of air masses, slightly fever, Youyouhuhu. Exercises about a month, Zhenqi Mission steeled filling the entire microgastropods, gas-to-stop roller surging, intra-abdominal warm Rongrong. At this point is very clear effectiveness, enhancing peristalsis stomach, "guru" Voice of constant potential such as the push of Mines, exhaust frequent, good digestion, appetite increase. (2) gas-hurdles. Exercises about 35 days, beginning customs clearance. Zhenqi Yinxue will enter college through the end of inter-related, then the Gate of Life customs clearance Jiaji, jade pillow clearance. Of course, not all of a sudden these pass through easily, but one by one-opened. Every hurdle and will take about four days or so. Commissioner Chong's very interesting scenario: Zhen Qi Guan Gate of Life in the length of stay longer, gas-like spray shore, wave and then wave, round up shocks, interesting is that each wave is limited to the Commissioner of the Gate of Life Section II lumbar spine, not insurmountable. Zhenqi amount to be increased to a certain extent, gas-clearance before crossing Gate of Life. Commissioner of a strip of Jiaji, Zhenqi have this clearance, the influx of Ni-like valley in the mountains, gathered diffuse, and too slowly. Commissioner of higher-pillow, Zhenqi to the Commissioner under repeated assembly hovering only to be passed. This is not a clearance in the next few days, Zhenqi Mission gathered at the barrier-clearance under the pillow, I feel a lot of strength back and his head will be pulled down. Zhenqi one passed, this natural phenomenon disappear. Zhenqi-three-in the process of effectiveness quite well, mainly as follows: two kidney hot even Fatang, waist disease disappear, the spirit is very full. Legs relaxed, the road like a boat sailing the same drum for quick and effective, this time as well-luck, and in line with Point fingering, stubborn Shenbu generally curable diseases. (3) gas will be hundreds. Exercises about 50 days, will Zhenqi straight points to 100, arrived at the top of Du Meridian, Zhou Tianhong completed a cycle of half a circle. Zhenqi-100 will be the moment, the situation unique, memorable. That day I was practice, Zhenqi Mission is still resistance in the jade pillow customs, practicing with the training and suddenly felt a gas corporation mist into the minds of the Hong Ran, consciously head Shashi expansion as drums, two long ears also changed changed , Earned a good far. While air masses into the minds of the smaller contraction seems to be turned into the cool-Ling "spring" and follow the forehead down slowly, conscious brain. Refreshing anomaly, said earlier the expansion of flu also will disappear. This process, about the ancients said, "Peter unpaid Guanding", or "Chun-yang of the gas" into the brain. Since then, neurasthenia, headache, insomnia Dengzheng died self-healing. Not only can safely go to sleep every night, the dream is very fresh and calm, no miscellaneous dreams, nightmares, are the so-called "righteous rise, Xieqiyuanbi." (4) on gas-Dantian. Zhenqi Baihui down by the open-Du Channel, Renmo between the mouth, teeth, lips formed at the space Q, Zhou Tianhong operation is a key step in the most difficult to break through this interval, we must gather in the Dantian Enough gas, so some slightly longer time. If this does not open up the interval, Du Channel, Renmo not comprehensively, Zhenqi will be a long time circling his head and not down. Sometimes on-homeopathy, very straight on the sky of potential; sometimes arbitrarily read under pressure, quite Taishanyading of Viagra. Many small Zhou Tian Gong practice of people do not know what to do now that a deviation, panic, or even casually Treating treatment. In fact, this is Zhenqi operation of the normal reaction, no need to panic. Because Baihui points in the top Du Channel, the top body, Zhenqi back from the Governor Vessel-even a few customs, all the way to a vibrant top of the top body, and also from here in the direction of doing 180-degree turn, opened up down Governor, the interval, natural to show their extraordinary characteristics. Playing an analogy, is like a torrent of being blocked, while over the high peaks, while also falling into the deep valley of the waves, from top to bottom Fanyong, intended to open-obstruction, Benyong forward. , Understand this truth, would not have to worry about fear. Enron continue to practice, on the Dan Tian Zhen Qi will be more-more, not only filling their minds, that is, within the orbit, nasopharyngeal, ears, all on the palate and teeth were also full of Zhenqi. At this point, ear, nasopharyngeal, the disease can gradually disappear. On the tooth pain, with a gas-and immediately pain. (5) gas charged in the Dantian. 6 O-day practice time, there will be a heavy in the air masses Biduan link between teeth and on, slowly downward, and then fall into the Dantian (Shan in the Point area), since then, Du Channel, between the Renmo Kouchi intervals across the Zhenqi, the head of the pressure on under-flu then disappeared, while under the chin and lower teeth, throat, Shan in Xueneizhenqi filling, I feel Liang Sisi, Ma Su-su, increased secretion of saliva, throat , The stomach disorder gradually disappear. (6) the return of gas (Dantian). Exercises about 70 days, by Dan Tian Zhen Qi slowly and quietly Dayantang gas into the sea, Zhou Tianhong finally completed a small circle. Practice from the beginning to return to the gas, from no to a Zhenqi, from weak to strong, surging, the Pentium off, return, gives the impression that the mighty, calm and peaceful. Like a mountain rivers originate, "River to Tongguan, because there are too engage and touch their benefits by Ben Meng, the wind back to the Three Gorges as a result of Wushan and benefits increased at its Nuhao" is a scene; into the Ping-chuan, return to the sea, since Is a different landscape. Zhou Tianhong small Gong practitioners throughout the process, the spectators see is static and practitioners to appreciate the move is intended Miao Kai King, Jingqi Shen is the recycling and distillation. Zhou Tian Gong is small, raising the basic skills of work. Zhou Tianhong Liancheng small, often as long as practitioners can maintain a little Zhenqi Mission Zhou Tianhong operation. The body is equivalent to maintain an elite Jin Weijun corporations, which have or once Bingxie invasive, the response to that is, from that war, war can win. Can make good health and full of energy. Directional guidance, top-specific features. Zhou Tianhong small qigong, strengthening exercises, a natural power basically what he is saying is that you need to gather true energy "zhen Qi" in the dan tien until the pressure is strong enough to push the energy up the spine. There is no visualization of energy involved with the true MCO. The energy moving up the spine has a real tangible feel to it and should not be forced.People tend to think by visualizing energy going up and down the body they are acheiving the mco.The truth is with out building the energy in the dan tien first you are acheiving only some form of illusionary mco

Why do you ask someone to talk in private as if the information is some secret that is not supposed to be shared on thetaobums! haha. Hilarious. I love it when people say - I have secret knowledge but I can't talk about it. Either they're trying to sell something or they are afraid that their knowledge is not really secret. The whole Mo Pai craze is just a "commodity fetish" based on the fact that John Chang has made himself inaccessible to Westerners who love to throw their money at anything that is real energy transmissions. So you say that "yang chi" is from the chi imparted to semen at the point of orgasm -- but then why is there yang chi and yin chi to begin with? haha. Yang chi you say is associated with the blood while yin chi is associated with the semen. So this information is easily accessible in the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" The basic secret is to focus on sublimating the sex energy so it is above the yang chi which is the heart energy as fire. So you have the fire then below the water. Mind yoga meditation tries to lower the fire below the water but the Mo Pai secret and the technique Gary Clyman focuses on -- it's just what the Taoists do - focus on getting the water above the fire instead of focusing on getting the fire below the water through mind yoga. To put it in Western science terms -- as I mentioned before - you said yang chi is imparted to semen at the orgasm - this is true for the internal orgasm which is the parasympathetic relaxation nervous system. The external ejaculation triggers the cortisol spike of the stress sympathetic nervous system. So mind yoga tries to relax the mind the build up the parasympathetic nervous system on its own so that any orgasm after that is internal through the vagus nerve and then as I said the left side vagus nerve goes to the heart. But what the Taoists do, in contrast, is also what the Bushmen did as the original shamanic culture - and that is to push the sympathetic stress nervous system to its extreme - and this causes a parasympthetic rebound effect. That means it goes from the extreme sympathetic to the opposite extreme of the parasympathetic as a deep relaxation. And so that creates the internal explosion of the yang chi from the vagus nerve relaxation meeting with the yin chi of the jing energy. But to build up this energy by "packing" it into the lower tan tien -- this can be done in six months - I did this also - but as Master Nan, Huai-chin says most people "fall back into worldliness" due to "heroic overexuberance" because as the chi energy builds up then there is also spiritual powers like telepathy, telekinesis, healing abilities, seeing ghosts, the ability to go without food and water and astral travel. The problem is that if any of these powers are used then a person falls back into worldliness - - unless they can build up their energy enough to fully open the third eye. To fully open the third eye requires immortal breathing which means as the shen light energy does down then the chi energy goes up -- and in this state which is nirvikalpa samadhi or the Emptiness - then it is basically breathless -- very little use of the lungs - and anyway so this is what the qigong masters do every night for four to five hours to recharge their energy for healing others. So they only sleep four hours a night. So you have to keep storing up your energy to be a real qigong master which means the third eye is fully open and you can see inside people's bodies and you can do long distance healing, etc. This is what Chunyi Lin and Jim Nance do. It is true that they are not storing up their energy overall but Chunyi Lin said his dream is to do a year of fasting in full lotus with no sleep for cave meditation -- he said he knows of immortals in the mountains of China who have the golden aura. So he can recharge his energy if he wants to make his hair grow back, etc. and to undo the damage of the normal loss of jing energy from aging. It's just that instead he uses his energy to heal others because again the more power you have then the less of a normal ego you have which means the more you identify with impersonal Emptiness as consciousness and so you are more willing to sacrifice yourself. So for example Jim Nance asked me to help him write a memoir on his qigong master training but then Chunyi Lin said the spirits would not like it. This is very similar to what happened with John Chang being confronted by his spirit masters not liking him displaying his powers. Or for example Shaolin Master Yau was spitting up blood because he demonstrated too many times his ability to light things on fire with his eyes. Qigong master Yan Xin says the training has to be done in secret in order to build up the energy. So the secrecy is also part of the Emptiness training. It's not that the technique is secret but that there is a competition between left brain dominance which is the modern mundane reality and then right brain dominance which is the world of the shaman. Scientifically the right brain is not able to speak! So secrecy is not just some moral code but is actually a psychophysiological limitation of the deep meditation training. haha. The whole purpose of a forum is to share information so if you think you have some "secret" then just share it -- or else it is silly to post on a forum. Nah Nah -- I know something and I'm not going to tell you! haha. Hilarious.

I'd like to apologize to everyone on this forum for putting out so much negative energy here. I'm just at a loss currently. I could just not say anything and internalize as I've done in years past but it hurts, a lot. I felt like if I typed it, it would be like speaking with someone- to an extent it has been. I no longer have the luxury of speaking with a therapist, given my current fiscal standing. I don't know. It feels like I'm in jail again but I realize I'm not so it feels worse? I feel like and hourglass, except instead of the sand collecting in the lower cavity it just spills out into wind. No one tells younger people how hard life is, even if they know- that isn't fair. I was so happy. When it first hit, I could do so much. My sense were up, I was learning so many things about the world around me- rolling epiphanies. I could tell what people wanted and I could give it to them. I was volunteering multiple times a week and I was writing papers on ways people could help each other/themselves, aswell as remedies to societal ills. So many people seemed to just gravitate towards me. Many asked me for advice and I often had concise 'universal' answers. I worried very little. Then it was gone one day. I'm not sure where the line of demarcation was, but the tide began rolling back out. Slowly, I began to lose everything. My happiness disolved. I still had the 'rolling epiphanies' except they began to grow darker and darker. My social life crumbled. I went into extreme isolation- I was isolated before but I still had friends. My perception began closing into a fist and the things I'd witnessed seemed but a dream. Everything is gone. The animals are still so responsive, it makes me sad that I can't help but to ignore them. I feel so empty, but it's colored with this infinite logical sadness. I lost myself at some point, my passion for life, my passions for things I loved/loved doing. My parents know I've regressed, it's in their inflections/movements- it makes me cry. I'm sorry everyone. I really am. I wish none of this ever happened. I just want to be me again, I don't care how selfish/egotistical that sentiment may resonate with many hear. I was so selfless and giving for what seemed like a long period, now I just want to be myself again. Sorry

It does matter if the experience is drug induced or not. If it is drug induced, it is an one big ego trip. If it is not, you should receive a spirit guide along the path. You would receive spiritual guidance in one form or the others. You have a spiritual issue, and you should receive spiritual guidance from other beings. I have one being appeared before me (in my vision/dream/semi awakened consciousness) during my second life challenge trial. His appearance was so significant that he literally defines who I am now after my kundalini experience. I can describe how he looks, his hair color, his eyes, and even the texture of his hand. The life I had before my kundalini experience has been dead.

Interesting dream . Well oak trees are sacred too , especially in Celtic mythologies . For me everything is alive and communicating in its own way .

I just had a small epiphany, because I'm up and awake for longer than usual: Do you remember how it feels to be awake for so long that everything feels not just tiring, but uncomfortable? Where you feel that not only is your mind tired, but your body is in subtle unease? Everything feeling "meh" and "uagh"? That kind of burden that you then feel on your psyche, that's a bit like the unease I felt while ayahuasca did its thing with me. These words will probably not match what I just felt a minute earlier, but it makes perfect sense, because what I need in this state is sleep, and sleep means letting go of conscious being and allowing the dream world to regenerate and refresh me. Considering that DMT brings inner issues to the surface and that sleep deprivation leads to 'hallucinations', maybe the feeling of tired exhaustion I have right now is caused by those inner issues moving just a tiny bit closer to the surface - the burden becoming more tangible. EDIT: And when he says people report the place they visit feels familiar, I remembered that, too. It's like a constant state of d´jà vu. I saw places and things and felt things and were in a state too odd to be described with words, and I knew all that as if I had seen it before. For me it didn't feel like that the whole time, though, just certain parts I think. EDIT2: Eureka! Perfect analogy: A DMT vision is like a kōan!

I actually dream of having sex with Kali...hahaha... I kid you not. Before that, I didn't know who was Kali. It changed my behaviors a bit after finding out what she represents. I am sure she loves me very much. Her appearance would always signal certain death and rebirth situation.

Rudyard Kipling If If If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you; If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or, being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise; If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with triumph and disaster And treat those two imposters just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to broken, And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools; If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on"; If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch; If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run - Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Hahahah...racist???? Tao does not care. One needs enough merits to be taught of the way of the Tao and enlightenment. To be taught either by a master or enlightenment being transmitted through the mind. There is no points to throw a tantrum on the issue of race because the Tao does not care. If you are Chinese, you do have the advantage of sharing the same cultural experiences with many of the Taoist sages. I would also be weary about the term Western or Christian. Christianity was forced and imposed on Europe. Europeans, depending on which part Europe you are from, do have their own pagan identities. And obviously, I do dream about the Norse Gods and particularly fond of the Nibelungenlied.

I thought I do an update on my reading. So far, reading the Working Towards Enlightenment first, the first 50 pages. It is very understandable. He is basically saying that one has to walk the path in order to derive the wisdom and knowledge of the scriptures. Just memorizing and knowing the scriptures won't lead to enlightenment. Then, he went on to talk about the skandha of forms. If you close your eyes and meditating and not seeing lights at all, you are still trapped in the skandha of forms. Then, he went on talking about the skandha of conception which is like the dream and reality are the same but you don't know why they are so.

It took two to tangle. It won't help anybody if we bring blame into this. His wife of course is aware of Nikolai's emotional struggle. Her response was to attempt to keep herself look young to be more attractive to Nikolai. Did she really believe she's got a chance up against a 20 years old in the physical department? What's her way of showing her concern for the union. She's threw a tantrum over a bow of tortillas. The ironic thing was that she's in the profession of anylize other people's mind. I just want to bring those thing up to make Nikolai know that we're not here to blame or judge. We're here to help out of the universal goodness of our heart. They just acted out of their old thinking pattern in the new age terms. Or they were sleep walking. Or it's the result of their karma. They are totally innocent in a way or totally responsible if looking from another view. Nikolai is a smart guy. He's awaken by thinking with his normal brain. I've just recently awaken or gone crazy. I'm still confused and disoriented myself. I don't know how the new world operates. I'll just tell him my own story in short. The long version may take me a few month to write. A few years ago, my marriage was in trouble. We fought constantly in front of our kids. I wasn't happy at all. Then I met a girl of my dreams. I left my wife and kids. My wife threatened the girl at her business. The girl didn't want nothing to do with me. I was heart broken and broke down. I was let go of my jobs. I relied on weeds to survive the ordeal. I found another job in US. I started my new life. I found another girl that I loved dearly. We moved in together and bought a dream house. Then the similar thing happened between her and me. Some fights between her and me was exactly the duplicate of the fight I had with my ex-wife. I was desperate. I cheated on her. To make it short. I had a Kundalini awakening after two month of meditation. I wasn't ready at all. I realized that I loved that girl so much that I'd kill myself for her. Then why I had hurt her so much in the worst way? My girl friend found out my infidelity, she left me. I was devastated. I had another K episode. Here I am back to canada, almost a year later, I'm still try to forgive myself, patch up my relationship with my ex wife, be a better father to my kids, struggle with my job and hope my ex-girl friend come back into my life (please don't bust my bubble on this one). A new country, new job and new girl didn't change my fortune because I didn't change myself inside. Keep doing the same thing and expect different result is insanity. I can't run away from myself. Nikolai, you have to walk the path yourself. Whatever you decide, I support you. Would you please be true to yourself and be honest with yourself? If you make a mistake, it's OK. we're always given a second chance.

ummm Master nan, Huai-chin says how there are different levels of emptiness and different levels of consciousness. So emptiness though is the same -- always already immortal -- but our conscious awareness of emptiness is at different levels. So most people are not consciously aware while in the deep sleep state. But the very first breath on waking up there is a moment of consciousness awareness of our theta dream REM state. Most people are not consciously aware of the space between our thoughts yet with a little bit of self-enquiry a person can empty out their thoughts for a moment of awareness of Emptiness. So the Emptiness is full of energy -- as Ramana Maharshi states -- when the mind as the source of the I-thought achieves Emptiness there is bright light -- but in actuality the bright light is the conscious awareness of the Emptiness -- so the bright light is actually the spirit shen energy but in its most pure form. So Emptiness is always-already there and a person can momentarily go into a state of conscious awareness of Emptiness -- but it is very difficult to stabilize in a state of conscious awareness of Emptiness. For example -- qigong master Jim Nance said back around 2005 that he had achieved the Emptiness only a few times. He was referring to what is normally called nirvikalpa samadhi or Immortal Breathing in Taoism. His third eye was not fully open yet so he had not stabilized into the Emptiness yet as the 8th level of consciousness. When he did stabilize then he was declared a qigong master. So in that case the qi energy goes up while the spirit energy goes down and the small universe cycles like that -- the conceptual thoughts and physical breathing are very minimal and there is also astral travel -- holographically. If there is a spacetime vortex as dizziness this means the spirit is leaving the body without having enough chi stored up inside. So that is what happened to me and already I had strong chi but I did not know what had caused the spacetime vortex. It was in the very book I had been studying but I had not been able to really scrutinize the text to find the answer -- not until ten years later did I discover it. I would say immortal emptiness is always already there - it is the truth of reality but we are only consciously aware of immortal emptiness when we transform the whole physical body into the spirit energy but storing the spirit energy inside the chi energy and then focusing the spirit energy on the Emptiness inside the physical body. I think at that point anything is possible but nothing happens at all -- it is the ultimate sacrifice of power because the greatest power comes from the greatest Emptiness. So for example Mahayana Buddhism as per the book Measuring Meditation (Bodri and Master Nan) criticizes Ramana Maharshi and Poonjaji as only emptying out the 7th level of consciousness and then letting their bodies waste away. So Ramana Maharshi and Poonjai both created "yang spirits" or bilocation of other physical bodies -- but we know that Poonjaji was not consciously aware that he had created another physical body - or as he did multiple physical bodies at the same time. So he had not stabilized in that power since he had not been consciously aware of it. O.K. another good example is in the biography of the most famous monk of Thailand -- Phra Achran Mun. O.K. so one of the monks is levitating but when he realizes he is levitating then he falls back to the ground. So he has to train himself to be consciously aware that he is levitating while still remaining harmonized in the Emptiness that enables that power. This is what the Buddhists mean by Wisdom - it is the trance concentration of the right brain -- as the Bushmen state - God watches the person being healed while the healer trances the person being healed. So God is the Emptiness while the trance is the laser light energy that is coherent energy and therefore harmonized back into the Emptiness at the same time the energy is manifesting. Yeah so left brain conceptual thought disharmonizes the energy but if right brain focus can be maintained as one-pointed thought or concentration -- this empties out the left brain. For example when Jim Nance is healing someone of cancer he tells the person to repeat in their mind as fast as they can: "light light light light" and then to visualize laser light shooting into the tumor. So basically the immortal Emptiness is what is called "nirvikalpa samadhi" but otherwise samadhi is a one-thought concentration as a trance state. So as Ramana Maharshi states most energy masters maintain their spiritual ego because they don't continue practicing nirvikalpa samadhi - they don't keep emptying out their thoughts - and so the spiritual masters get attached to their powers and then they just circulate around the astral realms, etc. So in Supreme Complete Enlightenment the nirvikalpa samadhi has to be applied not just to the mind as the 7th level of consciousness but also to the body consciousness -- and so this is the jing energy as alchemy. Once the body is emptied out then the bilocation powers are stabilized and so there is no longer an ego attachment to the bilocation powers. For example in Measuring Meditation Bodri and Nan claim that the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" is not true enlightenment because there is still mind attachment to the bilocation "yang spirit" powers. I'm not sure why they think that is the case - but it could be there is still attachment to the realm of form in that the spirit energy has to be contained inside the chi energy which is inside the jing energy in the lower tan tien. Master Nan, Huai-chin seemed to think that focusing on the lower tan tien was too limiting since sometimes the energy needed to move elsewhere and that also a Taoist master would get the "chi belly" if they had not really achieved the Emptiness as Nirvikalpa Samadhi - if they had not fully opened up their third eye. So anyway at that level of practice it's not surprising that there would be disagreements. For example one of the top masters of the YOgananda lineage needed to have young females massage him so he could take in their jing energy to replenish his energy -- as Michael Winn details. Or another example is that Bodri and Nan say that eating meat is important to build up the jing energy if there is going to be transformation of the physical body -- I'm just mentioning stuff without all the precise details. But another example is that at death the spirit energy could accidentally leave out of the backside bottom if a person still needs to have a bowel movement which happens automatically at death. So that it would be easy to go to hell if a person is not fasting before death and also they don't have enough chi energy to power their spirit out of their upper body. Like at the end of the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" the person sits on a wooden bun or butt plug basically to prevent loss of energy from that hole. In contrast Ramana Maharshi and Poonjaji just say to let the body decay as that it just contains past dead karma and only formless awareness is truly eternal. So immortal emptiness is necessary for everything all the time - but being consciously aware of immortal emptiness is considered a realm of static bright golden light. Yet that is the realm of form whereas under Mahayana Buddhism a person still needs to empty out the realm of desire because if the body becomes physically sick then the mind will sink into oblivion at death and there will be no conscious awareness of the Emptiness at death. So the Buddhist Supreme Complete Enlightenment is definitely an ideal that few if any have achieved but still it's always good to overshoot the goal just to be safe. haha. Yeah so I think an example of conscious awareness in trance without left brain conceptual thought would be like juggling. B/c when a person juggles they usually kind of stare ahead in one direction and then just keep a wide focus while their arms are moving. So this is a very light trance as conscious awareness but if the person starts to conceptually think about each ball that is being juggled then they fall out of conscious awareness by getting attached to the energy causing an imbalance or disharmony and the juggling collapses. haha. Riding a bicycle would be another example since it involves both forward and sideways movement and in fact it's how Einstein described spacetime and inertia -- anyway you could see how martial arts and tai chi are related to trance awareness and Emptiness.

In Gen. 2:21–25, the second creation story, the Elohim cast Adam into a profound sleep to make out of him a faithful, subservient companion called Eve. This Eve was not "created" or equal, as the female in the first creation story, but "fashioned out of a rib." The deeper comedy, however, is that nowhere does it say that they ever woke Adam up. The first creation story, Genesis 1:26–27, the Elohim (a plural for God) create "male and female" equal. It is said that this first woman, Lilith, was demonized by the Hebrews, and subsequently by the Christians, for leaving Adam in Eden’s garden. Yes,...waking up may be a noble pursuit,...but who will pay the price,...of letting go of the dream.

Last year had similar experience. She is 20 I am 35. Just came up to her on a street. Now I recognize it was my unfulfilled infatuation coming from my past when I did not receive enough love from a NICE girl. NICE means the girl "from my dream" - tall sexy brunette with blue eyes... We understood that it could not last long. But had nice time together. No sex, just some intimacy. Still thinking of her sometime. But I understand that may be it was not love but just desire. Why not love? Simple. We have absolutely different states of psyche. While talking about music, movies, school, some jokes etc all was good, but when started about something more serious there was gap between us which was a great challenge which she could not accept. 20 years old human is still teenager. Who wants fun, alcohol, party, bar, toys, primitive movies, wild sex and does not bother anything spiritual etc. And if you are 36 and on the path of spirituality the gap is doubled. Just let it pass and look inside. But you can go into desire and you will see the end. Even if stay together how long? One, two months...? Common... In one two years she will find somebody younger and more sexy. This is facts of life. If you are on the path of spirituality you need somebody mature. I would prefer to have more matured spiritually women than myself. This would be a greater challenge for the growth. But I think this is nearly impossible. Just can not see myself laying in bed with someone instead of my practice. IMO waste of time.

Each step we make, each thought, each word spoken, goes into the ever-evolving mandala we each have created for ourselves, and herein, they slowly take form, strand by strand, moment by moment. A lot of unhappiness and fear and all those other unpleasant traits arise in people when they look at their handiwork (this mandala which they have created) and cannot find how each thing is connected within, in the process, become disassociated from the truth that every single aspect of this mandala is a direct result of their own body, speech and mind. By sharply focussing on the external creations, its understandable that a sense of helplessness could arise, but what we need to realize, and to remember, is that at the center of each single, unique mandala is found a perfect dot, the essence of which is timeless and perfect. Meditation is an exercise which we can undertake to return again and again to this boundaryless space. Having gained access, we will find vital rest. We can always begin anew, to create, to dream, to start again, freshly reinvigorated, clarity reinstated. From this clear plane, what is there to stop us being buddhas all over again? Something i read from Pema Kathang sums it all up nicely... In this blessed Buddha-land of irrevocable enlightenment, In the lofty abode of openness, The intrinsic nature of things, Having neutralized surface, depth, width, the limits of any dimension, On the highest plane where there is neither inner nor outer: The windows of vision are flooded with light. emaHo!!

I'll say it has a sense of humor - it changes with the times...its very cunning and adaptable. I'd say it reacts less to the form of the thoughts one has and more to the feeling behind the thoughts. Personally I am not in agreement with the theory that it 'awakes' in the muladhara chakra...I think it simply and directly integrates with the brain. I don't think that it is endemic to each and every human being - I think of it as an external entity that seeks out specific individuals to integrate with...like an attaching spirit. My view has been formed over the past 14 years. My experience was of the 'top down' type. I wrote what follows on another forum recently and it is what makes the most sense to me: "Kundalini "comes in" through the brain only and stays in the brain...the reason I put 'comes in' in quotes is because there really is no actual entry, there is no barrier to kundalini from touching ones nervous system. Matter presents no barrier. The reason that you feel various effects within the body is because kundalini is moving through various areas of the brain that control these areas and integrating with them. When you start having spontaneous movements, this is because the kundalini is getting access to the pre-motor and motor cortex areas, which control all sensation of kinesthesis and all voluntary movement respectively. Kundalini is an intelligent entity, perhaps electromagnetically based. The brain is an bioelectromagnetic powerhouse. Skin, muscle, bones, organs (i.e. gross matter) present no obstacle to kundalini as matter is 99% space. It has no need to enter at a specific point. More to the point it simply attaches, makes contact, or 'gloms on' to your bioelectric nervous system as easily as you would reach out and touch someone. Its main area of influence, as stated above, is the brain...it goes there directly....I use a technique called 'Occam's Razor' see: [link to en.wikipedia.org]....The problem with mysticism is that it relies too much on anthropomorphism. Kundalini is clearly a noncorporeal intelligence, thus it has no gender, no form, and no limitations by the physical laws as we know them. So like I said, it would not be limited by our physical structure...just as radio waves, x-rays and other portions of the electromagnetic spectrum can pass through our body as if it isn't even there, I am quite sure that the kundalini can too...The problem with kundalini is that it increases emotionality which can lead to false belief systems which much resemble schizophrenia-like hyper-perception of synchronicities. One becomes very sensitive to stimuli and notes things that other people wouldn't see and one can read too much into them. The Kundalini will not disavow us of our belief, it will leave us alone to form our own opinion, or even support us in a false opinion. That is why it often called, 'the great masquerador' or 'the great trickster' - in a way it plays games, but not really - all it does is take our own belief system and send it back to us magnified until we burn through it....years later, in retrospect, I saw that the kundalini had been with me almost all my life - influencing my dreams and perceptions from a young age....Just a quick explanation about the pre-motor and motor cortex - all movement is initiated from here. When you decide to move something, a rapid relay of information travels back and forth to/from the area you are moving to the corresponding areas of the motor cortex. The pre-motor cortex area senses/receives, and the motor cortex stimulates/sends the commands to the body part. When you feel something touch you, in essence you are not really feeling it at that body part, you are actually feeling it in the brain, specifically in a kind of kinesthetic map which is called the 'homunculus' which is like a miniature model of your body. Even intense feelings like orgasms are actually 100% experienced in the brain in the appropriate area of the homunculus. If you don't believe me google it. Nothing is actually experienced in the body itself. The signals are sent from the corresponding area of the body and then experienced in the homunculus. I have experimented heavily with dissasociative drugs like DXM and ketamine and they can easily alter your sense of shape. I have felt as small as an atom, and as large as a mountain. I have felt my body seemingly morph into different shapes, such as my hand become a mallet. One time in a lucid dream the kundalini changed my entire perception of myself - it made me into a shape of a ficus tree. I felt like my body was shaped like a ficus tree. So you see, kinesthetic sensations are malleable...and they all happen in the brain. Think of the phantom limb effect when someone has one amputated. It would make the most logical sense that the kundalini does all this through the brain. Even if you feel a certain 'chakra' being stimulated, it is my belief that the kundalini never actually leaves the brain, as it doesn't have to. Occam's Razor leads me to this belief. Yes, maybe it could modulate the signals coming from a body part at the source, I am sure it could actually...but it makes so much more sense to go to the sources of perception and signal relay and affect it there. As far as tests and experiments - I don't see myself being cruel. It messes with me, I mess with it - we have an understanding...and an almost lover like relationship - playfully irreverant. Also, if it didn't want to participate in the experiment I cant force it....I am pretty sure it not a deity - I think its just a noncorporeal intelligence. No better than anyone else.

Along this line of vibrational study you may also wish to try the following: Imagine a color vibration at the crown of your head. You might try a specific color vibration or a vibration bouquet of an approximate color vibration. I make this distinction because of the amount of judgement we tend to have regarding many colors. Much of it is mis-information and in any case - it is narrowing. You can also look at your crown to see the different colors that are associated with different mantras. Sound healing is not really so different from any sort of healing (healing in the sense of transcending a knotted pattern to one of a new paradigm) We hold a vibration (of any kind) and it will reinforce existing patterns and or "pop" obstructions to a full resonance. If you puck a string it will cause other strings to vibrate within a range of harmonies. If something is sitting on those strings it will tend to be vibrated off or it will stifle the vibration sometimes altogether. Moving the clutter on those strings is generally what is "cultivation". Habituation to our genetic propensities, cultural propensities and the "story" we have created is our sleep waking dream world - waking up from this is what most of this is all about. Mantras can vivify particular chakras and they can also help in "correctly" routing energies. Pain pictures in our space may have our energies re-routed around them or we may compress them into oblivion (for a time). chakras. We come to the table with all sorts of notions about Chakras - with huge amounts of mis-information - childish notions of what this one or that one does. Mantras, color meditations, Qi Gong exercises, Fasting, self-observation, intentional breathing, intentional mindfulness - these all will bring out awareness of the chakras. Partly because you will discover where you are centered - what chakras you tend to wear in your life and perhaps what chakras you tend to avoid. Learn to work on the full spectrum of vibrations - become neutral to all of them - none is better than another. In the beginning of practice it is very exciting to vibrate in the stratosphere - this makes the miraculous seem nearer - like we are really learning something. We may however be learning an addiction that is not helpful at all - intermix vibration - the lower chakras and the male body in particular hold great power in the more amplified lower vibrations and you will find the awareness of your body/spirit connection grounding. This grounded coupling of awareness is ultimately why you have a physical body - otherwise you would not be here.

There is no divine power what can happen is what the tao allows what the tao doesnt allow doesnt happen No one can astrally project No one can fly No one can turn invisible No one can live forever No one can read minds etc But you are still as a creator demigod ! You can remember the past You can predict some things about the future You can dream up things that dont exist You are free from overriding instinct You can get on a plane use a phone hide , create a legacy , and have understanding and empathy

Any well formed symbol system is useful for both passive uses, like divination, in which it reflects a train of events and for active purposes like magic, where it can be used to influence a train of events. The Tarot is excellent as a magical system, the average "magician" can hardly dream of all that is concealed in Western Geomancy as a form of magic, the same goes for Yi Jing, Mah Jong, and many other systems like that. I have experience with several of them,some for decades. They are worth the time and effort investigating.

Bravo... please, do not force the semen to stay inside for your own sake my brother! My God... I do not agree at all with you. Nice coming up this topic because I was going to start one myself... I Have been practicing inte4nse Yoga and Qigong over the last three years, and I opened up alot of higher Chakras and intuitive features, but the lower Dantien and the lower chakras always held me back.. over the last years I have not manages to go for 10 days straight without a wet dream, I became very tensed about it, I even read about how Hatha Yoguins xhshould nto ejaculate or they die!!! heheh I sure did not die, thnks God.. Any ways... on the past days I had realisations after realizations and gladly one of them was regarding my sexuality and the sexual issue... I finally understood that all those dreams were coming up just to compensate my lack of pleasure due to a "mentally forced celibacy", and fighting against ejaculation, pleasure, which took away all my relaxation, all my Song, and my harmony and fluidness, once, I even denied a girl to sleep with me, she was going through a very bad phase on her life, I was very mean, she was going through schisofrenic attacks, and she was very pretty... I feel guilty, but I simply could not understand my sexual issue... past girlfriends even said that I kind of hurt alot their "inner woman", now I understand it better... about 10 days ago I got a bus and a very pretty and sexual girl sat beside me, she started rubbing her legs on mine and her arms, i got very excited, and decided to OBSERVE MY EXCITEMENT, (note.. I did not mentally fight against it, not did I jump untop of her and ripped her clothes with my teeth, I simply OBSERVED EQUANIMOUSLY), i actually got a big bonner and almost ejaculated on my pants, but I became calm and surernded, and relaxed, relaxed, relaxed... I noticed that I had some tension in my pelvic area, so I relaxed it, and accepted it, relaxed it and accepted it, relaxed it and accepted it, suddently, the ejaculation urge came back into my body and transformed in a very pleasure heat that spread over my body.... then I understood... all those dreams... were telling me to accept this PLEASURE (not act as an animal, simply let the pleasure envelop you, without trying to dominate it), the more you let the pleasure come without deisirng obsessively nor runing away from it, the more safe your Jing will be safe guarded. Since then I am making alot of experiments, every time I have a sexual urge or a urge of repressing a sexual urge, I simply observe it from a detached point of view, and relax my body, especially the area of the girdle vessel, every time I watch a film and there is a sex scene I observe it attentively, and examine my feelings, they are still a mixture of running away and ofdesiring, but I remain equanimous. During some meditations, when I focus my attention on my lower dantien, my hui ying, and my anus, etc... I still sometimes have a spontaneous bonner, so I observe it and do not react to it, neither in a positive nor negative way, and it becauses a wonderful feeling that permeates my whole body... my secxual dreams that haunted my ceassed!!! I passed so many years of my life without feeling pleasure...., whoa.. this is awful!!!!! my dreams were coming as a warning sign!!! for sure!!! (pleasure does not mean a luxurious sexual animal... but simple bliss..) with every breath I wfeel this "sexual Qi".. it is wonderful (But I know that I need to becareful as not to DESIRE this feeling as it will sonner or later fall into animosity, but simply LET IT BE, it occurs naturally! sexuality is like a flower, if you try and grasp it (i.e. abuse of sexuality) it's petals will fall of, if you deny it... well... the whole Earth which is very feminine, very orgasmic, very sexual, willl deny you too... I remember that my sexual blockages started since when I was a child, my father would ask me to close my eyes when sexual scenes would pop up on the cinema... geese... he didn't know how he was hurting my inner self!... my whole taichi practice these days are VERY SEXUAL, but in a WU-WEI sexuality... very, very pleasing indeed... so brother.. when those feeeling arise... practise relaxation (song), eqquanimity, watch everything, savour it without desiring it, and let it envelop you... act naturaly. the retention will start normally (of course it is good to avoid sexual relationships during a certain perod untill you learn how to do this...) to be continued.. no time now,,,, *Edit* ok I have 15 more minutes so I will try to be brief and clear... Swami Satyananda says a story that goes like this (resume). there was once a king that won a beautiful and powerful horse as a present, but no one could tame the horse.. he called all the best horse tamers of the country, but did not manage to tame the horse, so, finally a simple man appeared claiming that he would do the job, the King tsaid that he would be paid generously if he managed... so the firt thing that he did was let the horse run wild... no one understood him.. the King thought that the man was debauching huim.. but the man simply said "trust me", so, , after days and night running wild, the horse finnaly subdued and walked to the man,,, tamed!" reflet upon this story my brother.. day and night.. and your whole practice and life and meditation will boost.... so to resume the practice of "celibacy", I recomed the following.. 1) reflect day and night upon the concepts of Song, (relaxatioion / release) and Equanimity (not desiring nor running away from pléasure and pain) 2) reflect upon the story mentioned above. 3) practice Yoga or whatever you practice NAKED... go to a nudist beach whenever you have an opportunity and walk naked around... (always equanim0ous and relaxed and trying tobe aware of you blockages and do not react to them.. only observe untill they dissolve). I honestly walk around feeling as if I am naked, even if I am with my clothes on..so good, so natural... so natural.. so natural... 4) rpactice moving practices such as tachi, and with a sexual qi added to it .... and feel pleasure in everything.. every breath (inghale and relsease a AHHHH full of pleasure ) but beware I amnot saying that you need to feel desire.... it will come naturally, you must be equanimous and let the pleasure envelop you... the sexual breathing it sooo good, every thing is soo good... life is sooo gooood!!! cheeerrrrssssss!!!! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AUHAUHAUHAHUA best * Edit* number two.... sexuality and pleasure is very feminine in nature.. so if you deny it, you will deny all the other feminine aspects which are: love in between family members, love inbetween a father and a son, sense of community and SAKTI -vitality... all this is ver beautifull... I am very sad for cultivators that did not realise this, and cut off ompeltely BLISS from their lifes... reflect upon this my brother.. and you will learn how to retain your Jing... and your practice will boost, boost boost... love

Vmarco-- stop trying to corrupt someone's dream!! Over and out Peace

Mal thanks for making your point - your last comment was definitely cryptic! haha. So Stiggy really does believe in qi energy? I have asked several times and gotten no response from him. I have read Elkin's book on the Australian aborigine shamans. Do you think the skeptics need to be reassured that the aborigine shamans are not fake? I wonder if there are any real shamans left among the aborigines! The West is a culture of rational genocide against real shamans. So why would a shaman want to try to appease the rational genocide people? The shaman wants to hide from the rational genocide people. IN the U.S. it was illegal for Native Americans to practice shamanism after 1887 and until the National Religious Freedom Act was passed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Religious_Freedom_Act 1978!! So until then the shamans had to remain in hiding and I read a biography of one real shaman of the Lakota tradition -- he died in the 1980s. I suppose Adam the Dream Healer could be considered a Native American shaman as he was born with his third eye fully open and he is part Indian.... But otherwise this shamanism is a dying off tradition. Someone posted on my blog recently about how they had traveled China and they were now in India -- the whole time looking for energy masters! The person not only did not find any real energy masters that could heal him but they wanted to return to Chunyi Lin to get another healing! That's how rare real energy masters are. So if someone wants to experience the energy they have to seek it out. It's their own personal choice. I can provide the contact info http://springforestqigong.com has further details. Someone PMd me about getting a phone healing for a family member. So it feels like a laser deep in the heart -- Chunyi Lin's phone healing.