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Hi chi, it's great to hear other people stating the efficiency of Clyman's system too! Well, as I already stated in this thread, of cause of everything I learned so far and of cause of my own experiences I came to the conclusion that Kundalini = Yuan Chi = Jing (Internal Power)! And with Gary's training you don't only activate your already existent supply of Yuan Chi in your Tantien so it flows up and down the spine, you in fact are re-creating Yuan Chi in your body alchemically and fuel your already existent supply with it to make it more and more powerful! Because in fact the Taoists believe that this primal energy can and eventually will be depleted, an issue that I never found addressed in the material about kundalini systems I read so far! So simply "activating" kundalini might very well deplete it faster in the long run, as it seems to happen to many Chi-healers who heal people with their own internal energy. But with Clymans system, you don't fall into that trap! And "all the time flowing around" kundalini might therefore be a bad idea. But with Gary's system you learn to control this energy and let it flow around only when you want it to. I think so too! Keeping your body alive and healthy, growing up and regenerating body cells is what burns up your Yuan Chi! And regenerating sperm cells seem to burn up enormous amounts of Yuan Chi! So not the ejaculataion per se is the problem, it's the re-grow of sperm cells afterwards that depletes your internal power! Also, when I have a "wet dream " now and then what I can't prevent I make sure to keep the "72-hours-Mo-Pai-rule", just to make sure to not "tear" my Tantien! Gary does not address that danger, he just tells you to stop ejaculating altogether!

Hi there, first up, I hope it is okay to post a personal health question here on this forum. I guess most people won't get too much out of this thread because of this, but I'd still appreciate any kind of feedback. So basically, what has been going on that pretty much since the time of the equinox (Which I remember Chunyi Lin saying is a time of the year, at which, due to the change of season, health problem that have been developing do tend to crop up. But whatever) my sleeping patterns have been quite weird. Actually they were weird even before that, as I had been battling with recurring episodes of insomnia for over half a year. But actually it seems like I have gotten over this as my ability to fall asleep has been quite good for the last 1-2 months. However after a few weeks of normal sleep, another strange sleeping pattern has taken its place. My frequency, duration and intensity of dreams has increased dramatically. However, when I speak of intensity I don't necessarily mean colour and sensations but rather the general complexity of the dream, i.e. the "plot", the characters, the connection to other dreams or memories etc.. Also my sleep is much lighter,often resulting in a kind of inbetween state between being awake and dreaming (I often believe I am dreaming until I realize that I am actually awake or vice versa). Also I often wake up and go back to sleep several times within a single night. So basically my question is, especially in a context of Traditional Chinese Medicine, how to interpret this issue. Initially I suspected this might have to do something with the kidneys as often, when I wake up during the night, I also have to pee. Actually I am quite certain that there is something going on with my kidneys as I have always been a person who has to urinate frequently and is also prone to having cold feet (cold hands not so much, though that too occasionally). My father shares more or less the same fate, so this most likely is inherited and an imbalance that goes rather "deep". But even though that whole kidney issue certainly hasn't improved over the last few months I now suspect that the problem might lie elsewhere, as I have recently read that intense dreaming and light sleep seem to be good indicators of a liver imbalance. And this actually makes sense in a way, because when I had a phone healing sessions with Chunyi Lin several months ago (insomnia related) he told me that I had a blockage in my liver (and didn't say anything about the kidneys, which was quite a surprise to me) and I also do experience some moderate pain in the liver are now and then, which also is a phenomenon that has only cropped up recently. To return to my initial question. Does it make sense, from a TCM standpoint, to regard this as a liver imbalance (I realize that diagnosis based only upon one single symptom is always tricky in TCM, so if you have any questions regarding my health/whatever, that might clear up the issue, go ahead). And in case that one can relatively certain about the specific imbalance that is going on here, what are specific things I could do to improve this situation? Which foods to eat, which to avoid? Which herbs would be beneficial in this situation and are there any specific exercises or habits to employ? Stuff like that.

Hehehe. I know that when I go to sleep I am no longer conscious. (I rarely dream.) No, there is no way, without scientific instruments, of measuring consciousness. It just is. (A result of the brain's processes, of course.

As you mentioned, I said "In my opinion". My opinion binds me, you can decide yourself. Fortunately, no. I know much more powerful masters with real Yin-Yang Gong not this cheap trick You are quite right. I think you are also in the same category desiring the quick fix. Could you just show me a person with this "Empty Force - Kong Jing" with long hours of practice? I mentioned in some other threads, but let me repeat here: Without a real master from a real lineage, these kind of things are nothing but a dream. There are some "masters" like Kiai "master" Yanagikuryen (www.youtube.com/watch?v=edKZAFUfO38).These men have a special bond with their disciples. So their disciples really feel that "force". However, an outsider can go and beat the "master" This is not Yin-Yang Gong.

I just had a nap for 1 and a half hours whilst in stilness movement..I know I was sleeping because the chemicals of sleep seemed to be in, and I was aware, sometimes visions/dream like things came. Have done this a few times Wow I am excited at the prospect of being able to do it everyday, would skyrocket my progress and feels so supremely peaceful.

Haha! Sensei! Far from it...veeerrryy far from it...but I know the difference between what is direct and what is indirect. For a long time I was a indirect practitioner. I am very familiar with the words and concepts people use especially from Buddhist lingo in the most cunning ways...because haha! I've been the most guilty of them all! This is my experience of anatta, or emptiness of self. When I was doing intense practice, I realized first that despite all the knowledge I had gathered about "myself" I really did not know who I was at all. I then realized I didn't even know what the hell "knowing" was. Digging deeper and deeper I clearly saw that there was no one there at all that there was merely a boundary around nothing making it seem like there was. At that moment something within my energy body clicked open as if a knot that had been there to hold onto a boundary between itself and the rest of the world just let go instantaneously. I lost all sense of self will, and a tremendous sadness and pain started rushing from all parts of my body. I cried as if it were my own funeral! Then the sudden absolute clarity of hilarity overcame everything, like my entire life of suffering was a very stupid joke! I don't know for how long but I danced in this stupendous feeling of ecstasy and freedom! One could do absolutely no wrong! My personality was seen to be a clear concoction of the mind, and no independent "thing" was found anywhere at all, even in other people. There's a great Zen poem on this about this Korean monk who rushed immediately out of his meditation hall and sang "who will I tell it to? there's no one here, there's no one here..." Like my signature says, it was a moment of a thousand petals entering an empty house, the entire world seemed blissful naturally, every step felt like a liberation of life, the sound of the herder's flute, and not of a human being. But my deeper understandings came later when I saw that my old habits based on notions around the ego were still very much there or began re emerging after the peak experience, like the branches of a tree still there after the roots had been cut. If you read Hakuin's Kensho: Four Ways of Knowing, he puts in perfectly when he says that just because the sun has begun to rise, don't expect the snow to instantly melt. The snow was still there, and more than that, I saw that there are deeper inter-connected levels of blockages affected by years of living under the idea of a self entity within my energies, mind, and body. My energy practices after this took on a whole another dimension. I finally understood just a little bit (finally! like I was learning to baby step after witnessing people run marathons ) about what my Kunlun practice was there to do. Energy practices aren't to build energy, but rather to melt into that potential, that sea of energy always around us and within us but we feel separated from. Everything that I had been doing just took on a whole another direction. You may not see it from these posts, but I felt very humbled by all this. I felt like a miniature insect in a endless jungle that is the vast universe. P.S. Around 2 years ago, I also had days of tremendous awareness experiences where my consciousness began experiencing another level of being awake, like I was shown that our normal everyday consciousness was actually half sleeping compared to this. I was awake during sleep, and couldn't really eat anything. Just a lot of water and laughter. It was another dimension of awakefulness than beyond mere bodily senses. The comedown from that was not pleasant due to my lack of understanding and immaturity. Then it was 2 years of struggling in my own filth. Hence when I'm questioning Nikolai's statement on realizing that the outer world is a complete illusion, which is a realization one should ultimately arrive at (likely in degrees...to the point where it becomes certain that it is like a magical dream and never existent) according to Buddhism and even modern science, certain signs of your realization should manifest in shifts in consciousness and energy. It shouldn't be a mundane thing at all (too many people, having had no such break through fall into the ever popular zen saying, carry water, chop wood. Those are grounding practices that you do in these states to keep rooted on earth). The mundane should be shattered. I suspect it will be much more vibrant and incisive than seeing the emptiness of self since the physical world has a much stronger anchor than the personality. You can change personalities easily and observe the shifting of the ego. But to take the roots of the physical dimension out, it would require a level of energy the body is normally unaccustomed to.

I bought and read this book yesterday, thanks for the recommendation I thought it was really good and spoke to me deeply, I'm suprised there isn't more spirituality talking on this level of healing trauma as it is such a key issue. It reminded me a bit of Castaneda but I don't think she is a fraud because she is treating clients in clinical ractice, but I was disappointed that she didn't make clear any practical ways we can do the work for ourselves, there was something about bringing memories to the level of your eyes but not much. But I am looking into shamanism methods for this again and dream healing so if anyone has any other good books for this I will be most grateful. I am currently reading "gift of the dreamtime - awakening to the divinity of trauma" by Kelly Harrel , which is similar to the other book, ill report back if its any good.

This is a very hard thing to put into words clearly. Briefly I will start by giving you some background. Some months ago I had an experience, in my mind, after an experience I had, a feeling, after reading a book, that, essentially, messed me up. I won't go into details. Basically I thought I was in love with someone and it turned out to (most likely) not be what I thought. More study and some time since I ended this has provided a few possibilities: 1. The magician's perspective - I was dealing with power which had manifested in this form. 2. The Yogic/Buddha/Tao perspective - I was dealing with Kundalini energy manifested in female form. 3. The alternate Buddha perspective - I was dealing with a Tulpa I had created. 4. My original perspective - I was really in love and energetically connected to an alien being on another world. This thread is not to talk about that, only to give you background. You know the saying, "Once burned twice shy." Before this experience I was exploring the inner landscapes of my chakras with a spirit animal named Ayhunna, who came to me during a dream re-entry session to shamanic drumming. He left as suddendly as he came, aging before my eyes and disintigrating for lack of a better word. Now he's back. This brings me to what I need help with. Before with Ayhunna I would meditate on my chakras, enter its landscape, and then Ayhunna would lead me to something I had to deal with there. Usually this was done playing his favorite game, "Chase the fox." I have since ceased to meditate on my chakras. Now I do ZaZen when I get up and try to do Deep Meditation using the mantas, "Release, Flow" or "(my real name) a Center of Consiousness." With this last mantra I was trying to see myself as a center of consiousness per the first lesson in Raja yoga. Recently with Ayhunna's return he usually sort of tells me during ZaZen through a sort of glimpse of him in my mind's eye or a sense of his presence that he wants me to follow him. Generally he comes during my last meditation of the evening. But I am having an issue here. I need to figure out how to seperate that which my mind is manufacturing to distract me from meditating and that which is truly Ayhunna wanting me to follow him. I feel it is an honor to have his guidance and help once again, and I want to honor this by following his guidance. But I also need to make sure I'm not getting disracted by thoughts. You could argue that it's all thoughts. But for now let's try to keep it simple. There are thoughts generated by my mind, and there are thoughts my mind either locks onto or is given, like a message. I want to seperate what is message and what is just mind drivel. Understand? So how do I do this? How do I make sure that I am not getting lost in thoughts durring meditation? How to I tell when Ayhunna is genuinely calling to me? How can I distinguish a mental distraction from a summons? I need to be sure so if it is a mind distraction, I can simply ignore it and focus on my mantra. But if it is Ayhunna, then I must follow him. My inner landscape/inner world/chakra landscape - whatever the heck it is - is seriously f-d up right now. Hope nobody gets mad at the swear word. But it is very apt. With the loss of Ayhunna and the confusion around this, this relationship and its recent and raw end, as well as the fact that I was, not even a year ago, a simple church-going Christian with a few questions so this is all brand new to me, well I'm a mess. Ayhunna is trying to help. I had one other indivdual who was trying to help me, but we have unfortunately sort of come up at odds to each other. My problem is I never really understood a lot of what he said. I tried and for the most part I followed his instructions. But so many things he instructed me to do just didn't feel right, or I didn't want to do them or something. But he did direct me here, so perhaps someone can help me out. One last thing... As I read, "Magical Knowledge I" by Josephine McCarthy I am seeing much that could coorelate to my experiences. Later in the book she discusses meditation and inner worlds. I think I might have to drop my Raja yoga studies for now and adopt some sort of Inner Stillness Meditation based on her training as my last meditation of the day, and the time at which I work with Ayhunna. So this is what I tenatively plan to do. However I wouldn't mind getting some other viewpoints and advice here. I mean what is the best way to go inside and work with your spirit animal? Maybe the answer is to somehow have a session devoted simply to Ayhunna and inner working, seperate from meditation. That may even be the answer to my problem. Simple enough, just train him, as much as that seems like the wrong way to think about it or say it, that meditation time is seperate from our time and ignore any glimpses or senses of him I recieve. If there is a practicing shaman somewhere in here I would dearly love to hear from you. Above anyone else you would be able to shed light on a lot of this stuff. So please post if you can help me! OK, off to meditate then sleep. Thanks everyone, and Namaste! - DreamBliss

I'm sure every teacher knows that they cannot teach the whole truth. If they want to be logical and consistent they must focus on one half of the story at any one time. We all believe (or used to believe) that we exist as independent selves, and in a sense we are. But Spiritual teachers tend not to bother teaching us about this because we are convinced already. What we don't tend to realise is that we are also completely empty of independent existence, as is everything that appears to us. Because we don't understand this too well the spiritual teachers emphasise it because it's the biggest gap in our education. Tony Parsons emphasises emptiness of the self alone. He is quite insistent that he and you and I are not really here. If people base an argument on independent selfhood he contradicts them. This consistent and disciplined contradiction of questions is his teaching. He teaches emptiness and impermanence like the Buddha did, but he seems not to remind us to reject the teachings. He does not teach the middle way between the extremes of existence of the self and non-existence. We do not now what Tony Parsons' understanding is. If we we judge him by his words alone he seems to be very much 'trapped in emptiness'. But it is possible that his focus on emptiness of the self is strategic. We will not become enlightened unless we first 'see' the emptiness that he teaches so consistently. It is only later that emptiness must be reconciled with the former 'dream of individuality' rather then remain in contradistinction to it. It is when this merging of form of emptiness occurs that the miraculous fruits of the spiritual like start to appear. Parsons has an acknowledged ability to communicate emptiness - sometimes miraculously. He also seems to be lovable, loving and charismatic. If we should 'beware of false prophets and judge a tree by its fruit' then I think we can trust him. The Zen Buddhists talk about the three states of awareness: First is the nornal state of independently existing objects and selves. Trees are trees. Second is the realisation that things and selves can also be seen as empty. Trees are not trees. Third is when these two views are harmonised into two sides of a coin. Trees are trees again. If Tony Parsons is still at only the second stage he is still doing better than 99.99% of people. His message is definitely worth listening to.

Sounds like you are mixing up shamanic practices with meditation, if you get some spirit or voice talk to you in meditation you are meant to give it as much attention and valuation as the voice which starts thinking about what you are going to cook for dinner ie not very much at all, you recognise it is there and let it go or come back to your meditation focus. Typically in meditation spirits etc are just a distraction. The only method I know of contacting your spirit animal is drumming or maybe some dream practices. But a lot of what you describe will sound quite out there strange to the average reader, I hope you are aware of this, if not I would think about going to talk to someone more regular like a councillor.

If anyone does try and cipher this tongue twister of dimensional analysis please consider this:That which is against the tao does not show truth. Truth and illusion are both intertwined in my opinion to form this reality. Truth is not complete without illusion in this layer of reality we find ourselves (ie not tai-chi). The biggest example of this is dream and reality. The point I'm trying to make is that truth is not on one side or the other but on both; intertwined; interconnected; both dependent on the other to help create the form of formlessness.

thanks. i quit FG mostly because i was pissed off that i couldn't be a dancer of the Shen Yun shows, the most important project of the FG cause. There are so many benefits of being a Shen Yun dancer: 1) This is probably the only FG project that is personally supervised by Master Li, so you know you're pretty much guaranteed a godhood after the Apocalypse. 2) To be a Shen Yun dancer, you get to live at "the mountain," the FG headquarter near Middletown, NY. It is a huge complex with many Dang Dynasty-style buildings and is off-limits to any non-practitioners. So you know you'll be at the purest place in the world and would probably get to see Master Li himself daily. 3) Dancing for Shen Yun is a full-time job, so you'll be doing Spreading the Fa activities 24/7, without worrying about getting a paying job to pay for rent and food (as there will be no such expenses when living at the mountain). So getting into Shen Yun was like my dream then, and I was mad when I was rejected while some of my FG friends got the call. I was unable to recover from that, and after a while I ended up viewing anti-FG websites, the first time I ever did it. Once I saw how the "omniscient" Master Li misused some simple scientific terms in the books and his other mishaps, I realized that the Apocalypse probably won't be coming. Then I was quite mad at myself for wasting my life in FG, and Master Li for duping us. That's why I quit.

All that stuff can happen in a dream. Research the "vajra sliver" reasoning.

Well, I don't know...during times when I was over-energized from visualization or neigong, when I did specific spirit ejecting methods, when I was going through qigong psychosis (which I think had a lot to do with this phenomenon)...people would say that they saw me somewhere I wasn't at all. Like a few friends 4 hours away from where I was saw me driving my car. A girl thought she saw my twin deliver her a package as a UPS guy. In my own experience seeing these things...I thought I saw my teacher (physically) numerous times when going through qigong psychosis, but the person always looked a bit off and I never spoke to them. I think it has to do with how when we dream, we can end up anywhere, doing almost anything. Maybe when we're dreaming that we're doing something in the real world, some people can actually see "us" doing that...and this doesn't stop when we're awake. Just ideas for what is a completely mysterious and questionable matter.

Maybe the law of attraction works the same kind of way that dreams work.. with dream logic, with the kind of multi layered consciousness that means we are in a gestalt of perceptual ability, now you see it, now you dont. I think one can understand dreams and the results of law of attraction when one puts ones consciousness in the right place(s) to do so. If consciousness is like water, it runs around : one can place ones consciousness in the place from which all is perceivable, or appears to be, but then consciousness dribbles into other ways of perceiving, due to well worn grooves and interacting in same same old. If taming the wild horse is battling with the ego, then I think working with the water of consciousness itself a whole bigger game, in which landscape must be shifted to allow fluid containmnent. Especially if the law of attraction brings you something you find it hard to chew. This is why people say 'be careful what you wish for', isnt it.

I do not want to get a life. What is getting a life? Getting a good job, dating the dream woman, driving the fast car, living in the penthouse, dining in the fancy restaurants.. You call this a life? While your spiritual senses and ability to interact with the higher dimensions are dumbed down and blinded by the demons and devils in this world? What do I enjoy now? The only thing which I will enjoy is cutting myself off from Samsara and Humanity for good. Love someone? I can't love any other human being anymore because I know how deluded most human beings are with their material attachments and desires. There is no way simply no way I can love any human woman now. My heart is gone.

OK, this is my attempt to understand all this men women stuff: The female worldview is basically the one that we are all born into and which 99.9% of people subscribe to. We exist as individual bodies and minds that exist in time and space for a while before dying. The spiritual practice that arises from this view is one of materialism. It is the practice of good deeds and making this earthly life as bearable for as many people as possible. Part of this worldview is an emphasis on physical health: our bodies are fragile and mortal and we must sustain them through good diet and various physcial regimes like hatha yoga and tai chi. This is the female worldview: it is earthy and materialistic, We all begin from this standpoint and it is what the Christians call the state of original sin. The male spiritual worldview is essentially a reaction to this. It is the realisation that the body is an illusion and that time and space are nothing more than a kind of metaphor. Rather than a real world full of suffering beings there is nothing more than a kind of void, an utter emptiness. Everything is unreal like a dream - heaven is the only reality. The feminine concern for good and evil is a pointless illusion. The spiritual goal is to transcend the feminine world of rebirth - but this is hard because it is so alluring, enjoyable and convincing. The enlightened worldview is realising that both the female material world and the male ideal world are two kinds of the same coin. Things neither exist nor not exist. I am the place where existence and non-existence occur together and are harmonised into one. Reality and emptiness presuppose each other - to believe in the truth of either is impossible and false. Now here is where it gets complicated.... For the vast majority of people the opening up of the male spiritual view constitutes a significant spiritual achievement - and men are on average quicker at getting there. The female worldview is easy to grasp, we've all subscribed to it from childhood. But to understand the male view takes dedication and huge intelligence. It can therefore appear that the male way, as demonstrated by the average male seeker is the higher way. But it only appears this way for a while. What most men do in their error is that they entirely substitute their male view for their original female view. They start to believe that the earthly realm of samsara is something bad or false that must be transcended. And because they do this they place themselves in a situation no higher than the female view. If you think that samsara must be avoided then you don't understand the spiritual life. You might as well plunge yourself into it headlong and your attainement will be the same. Spiritual realisation is the blending of both the male and female spiritual paths where earth is the same as heaven and heaven is the same as earth. Until you realise this it is almost inevitable that you will find yourself thinking that "men are more spiritual than women", or vice versa. Hope this makes, sorry it was so long...

wow this is an old thread..... i was going to add my bit but it's all been done already. anyways i find in order to make a routine consistant i just have to make sure i do a few practices daily, and try add to them time goes and they are being done consistantly. i wanted to make a comment about ADD too. personally i don't believe there is such a thing as ADD. i have read two theories about it which make sense to me, one is fairly conventional and the other a bit out there.... i don't know whether either is true but as far as i'm concerned they could be. firstly is that ADD is actually a high sensitivity to food additives. i have never been tested for ADD but when i was a youngster in primary school i used to steal other kids who had lunches mainly made up of chips and cakes and so on. it used to send me totally nuts and make my go completely hyperactive..... like i was on drugs. one of my friends from high school was diagnosed with ADD. he didn't eat a huge amount of 'enhanced' foods, but they were definately a component of his diet. he used to take ritalin and on the days he had had his drugs (pharmaceuticals.... the REAL drugs!!!) he turned into a very strange person. it was kind of scary actually, he was all quiet but it was almost like he wasn't even there anymore. however when i took the damn pills they made me go nuts! anyways a second, much more fantastical (but i like the fantastic hehehe..... i think this whole world is one big fantasy and the sooner we realise it and begin exercising our ability to create with our thoughts, the quicker we can turn it back into paradise!) is that kids with ADD are actually what is considered 'indigo' or 'crystal' children. children (and there are 'indigo' adults around now too apparently) who were born to help raise the vibrational level of this planet. these people would likely have a very intense desire to help out, or that they need to help the world change in some respect. they would also likely be able to be very easily overwhelmed by noise, lots of people, drugs, etc and perhaps even fall into depression and despair from time to time. maybe........???? about chemtrails too. the chemtrails are a big problem, but even worse is the 'mobile phone' towers that are now everwhere, on top of almost every building. it is those towers which are used to maneover and manipulate the chemtrails that have been sprayed. the towers are also used to send out frequencies that interfere with our normal thought patterns. apparently in sydney a lot of people have been dreaming about war or violence lately. i had a dream about it all descending into chaos and having to fight for survival. it was an incredibly vivid dream and felt like i was really there. melbourne had a terroist threat announced at it. and in the city of sydney now there are police on every corner. don't know what melbourne is like! it's incredible........ when is martial law coming? i bet you'll get it in america before we do here...

That's always the dream mate. If they engage with critical reflection my job is done. Amazing how many resist it though and all my students are graduates before they come to us to train to teach. Many want a paint by numbers easy path unfortunately and, to some extent; our universities have been offering those sorts of routes for a good many years now. If someone can't or won't make the effort to think critically the they can't very well pass on a skill they don't have to their own students later on. Government education policy in the west of late has focused on turning out compliant technicians as opposed to critical thinkers. Scary in a way but one does what one can.

Well hello everyone! A friend of mine, also I suppose my teacher and guide, known as Telethiese at Dream Views (where I am also a member under the same user name) recommended you to me. I wasn't going to sign up initially. Been burned too many times, kicked out of Spiritual Forums, tired of signing up at dozens of forums for half a dozen answers. So I wanted to read some forum posts and replies. But you guys have limited your permissions here for nosy folk like me, so I went ahead and signed up. Sometimes the best way to learn how to swim is to jump in the water. Just have to hope there aren't any sharks in here... Well expect some very strange questions from me covering subjects that are going to test the limits of your collective knowledge and experience! - DreamBliss

ah yes I knew the... everything is a concept thing would come up... I assume you understand what I am saying however... I don't assume you to be buddhist based on other posts... I don't expect you to defend it etc either... I did spend some time studying buddhism in my youth - even at one stage perhaps evening calling myself such. I spent time volunteering at a buddhist monastry (tibetan) for a month also and had even considered becoming a monk. Considering Zen monasticism. I soon woke from this silly dream + silly stories and moved on. My purpose here is to provide a counter agrument as Buddhism has been made out to be the perfect untouchable path to "enlightenment" / freedom (whatever that is). I found it to be quite the opposite anyhow. I was late teens then I am around 23 now. This is just another perspective for others... I say be cautious. Now I understand that I havnt provide too much in way of reasons why on this particulur thread... though I suppose i have more or less in a number of different threads... As I said briefly before...granted there are some interesting/ thought provoking aspects to this philosophy I wouldnt rush out and start bowing to plastic golden statues however. Buddhism is just as "satanic" as christianity + all the religions of Abraham... Everything has been so polluted / distorted / manipulated etc that these things now are completely worthless... one drop of poison will ruin the entire well. My religion is no religion my religion is experiential truth my religon is to empower people /// work in progress... ^^ haha Peace!

I am not a self elected defend-the dharma man ... but I will try. Even techniques have some kind of conceptual framework in order to function. Idea and concepts are as much part of reality as things or energy etc. so are totally legitimate and part of the spectrum of (human) consciousness. Buddhism has a 'view' which is encapsulated in Buddhist philosophy. In the Mahayana this is based on emptiness, form as emptiness and emptiness is form and so on. Enlightenment and Buddha activity are non-conceptual however Buddhism as a path uses many concepts to get to this awakening. The first Noble Truth that existence involves suffering is not based on authority in the sense that it is so because the Buddha says it is so ... but as the story of the Buddha's life illustrates is based on the observation that people do suffer. Suffer does not necessarily mean to be in pain but may just mean 'subject to conditionality' ... the main thrust of the dharma is that this suffering is unnecessary and that you can find happiness instead. I wouldn't dream of telling any little bird anything ... my cat might take the opportunity for supper of course. Do not presume to know what I have done or not done. I am not for a minute suggesting you should become a Buddhist ... its up to you ... but it might help if you understood something about it first. Buddha was not a philosopher and not a pessimist.

So first I asked: 1.) Exactly how does your knowing 1 delusional Wiccan, conclusively demonstrate that the entire field of Magick is entirely lacking of any form of results, outside of deluded Magicians Imaginations? How many is a lot? Do they all live in their parents basements? Do they all try to summon armies of skeleton Knights? how sure are you that they adequately represent the entire world of Magick practitioners? What exactly constitutes a 'real' ability? And why are you so certain that old A.C. had no other abilities whatsoever? I have personally never known anyone to try to conjure an army of undead. Were they fresh out of D&D and decided to try Magick? Its just stupid. And it is stupid to keep using it as an example. no real Magickian anywhere believes he can have skeleton knights. That is just hollywood D&D bs. Cease your misinformation. i asked:2.) How do you KNOW with absolute certainty that Reiki is never, under any circumstance, anything but Placebo? If your answer is some links to tests someone else ran, then How do you know with absolute 100% certainty that the tests were fair to the practitioners, or that they used skilled practitioners, or that they were reasonably set up to begin with? You replied: Really? How hard have you looked? There have been plenty of tests over the years where a healer kills cancer cells in a test tube or some similar thing. Not to mention all the amazing 'anecdotal' healings millions of people have received sometimes from impossible conditions... but they don't count to you do they... lol. Why are you so certain that anecdotal evidence is not worthy of your time? I asked: 3.) How do you KNOW that the only results worth mentioning are those of a telekinetic or psychic heat variety? Please elaborate further on this one, and explain how you are 100% certain that if a person cant do these two things, that they have been wasting your time? your answer: I just have to laugh at ignorance here. Your 'opinion' here is that 'enlightenment', a sense of deep connection to existence, and many other Siddhis are all just a waste of time!!! Wow! Well i know people who have used Magick to win amounts between $20.000 {at the casino} and $280,000 in the lottery. Two of my early teachers bought their house together after doing some ritual and then buying 1 lotto ticket. $150.000! A psychic friend went to sleep worried about his son and his pregnant wife. He woke up from a dream with a string of numbers, that were 'for' his son. next morning he rang his son and told him to by a ticket with the numbers. His son bought 2 tickets in whatever it was, and won $140.000 on each. that's Two hundred and eighty thousand! But wait, oh.. shit... anecdotal evidence. oh well. that stuff is all bull shit then! lol And your Skeleton example is stupid, and a deliberate attempt to belittle people who practice something you don't understand. You keep saying you are not trying to be personally offensive, but you are lying. This is exactly what you are doing with the undead skeleton analogy. You are trying to lump all practitioners of Magick [which includes me] in with the retard you met in his parents basement. So you are basically saying All practitioners are like that one practitioner, by association. As a careful and intelligent practitioner of Magick, this is highly disrespectful and insulting. Well I look forward to that. But how long have you been practising? How much daily practice do you do? Surely you can do something by now? When will you finish your training? Is it ok for you to not have abilities before you have finished your training? If that is the case, are others allowed to say they are engaged in real practices, but won't show you what they can do till they have finished their training?

Information about mum is immaterial and irrelevant. Mum makes no sense~ if she did, you would have figured it out by now. Use the pain. See through it if it kills you. If you are lucky, you will pass through this fortunate irritation and exhaust your tiny self-concept in the process (that's a good thing). The truth is, you have never had one life, much less three. All these are dreams. Even recurring lives and deaths are temporary alternations of endless cycles of creation. Buddhas couldn't care less about it. Why? Because lives and deaths are equal. The intervals between are also equal. The lives and deaths you are going through now are no different than the past lives and deaths we all have gone through. Passing through is transcending a cycle. Passing through (without italics) is being subject to a cycle. Right now you do not have a choice. All enlightenment would convince you of is that there is no escape. Since there is no escape, give yourself a little space. If you can garner a little autonomy, so much the better. Often I am amazed to realize that in the final analysis, if given the choice, some people don't desire freedom at all. If you want freedom, I recommend psychological detachment leading to nonpsychological openness. You ought to be questioning karma itself; not its ramifications on your current ego-centered dream-state. Enlightenment doesn't fix anything. Though everything resolves in the Unborn, nothing changes except your perspective. ed note: fixed quote typo and change "nonpsychological stillness" to nonpsychological openness