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I've thought a lot about this and after watching my dreams be of an order that I did not create, I think that there is another place we connect to that we go when we sleep. I see death as the possibility of two places; one is that there is nothing, we simply die and vanish and it is the end. The other is that we enter a dream, and when the dream ends, we fall asleep until the next one.

Is suffering an arbitrary function attached to humans and various animals? Or is suffering part of a larger process? As a somewhat trivial example: Long long ago I had a dream in which I was in a prison camp - and gradually realised that my skin colour was much darker there. Someone in the camp broke a rule and I was punished instead. I thought it most unfair. When I awoke I asked my inner planes friends what that was about. They replied: "When someone in a group breaks the rules, it does not matter which member of the group receives the punishment" More recently I have observed that karma follows lines of least resistance in the group. The suffering falls on whichever members are convenient. So I have stopped complaining about unfair events. Is there a cosmic group to which Earth humanity belongs? If so, we have to take whatever karma is most conveniently worked out upon us. And as it happens I am currently a party to a legal case when I certainly had no intent of runnning up against the much more powerful antagonist. So, mentally I have written off a large lump of cash and mentally moved on. I must be more careful about joining groups with obvious karmic issues.

Hello everyone. I'll give a bref intro to my life story and how I ended up here. I'm a cultivator from Norway, still trying to figure out on a path to settle down with long term. I came into the spriitual arena through studyng (free time) personality, psychology, carl jung, self-help, Wim Hof method, into actualized - Leo Gura and psychedelics, which sort of kicked my butt into the far end of spiritual literature. (this is like, 3 years ago)- I grew up a pentecostal christian, which has influenced me throughout my life, I have had a very strong spiritual experience which I, back when I was 17, considered being my moment of rebirth, which was a very strong experience of love and mental cleansing. The Christian tradition still grounds me to a degree today, but in more in a universal perennialist (bhakti yogic-like way).- I'm a very abstract thinker, so on the symbolism plane I have a tendency to mix terms, cross tradition, for better or worse. (I'm very stereotypically ENFP if that gives any pointers) Currently a reader and a Kriya yogi practitioner according to the book by J.C Stevens. Taking a few steps back and moving a bit slower forward now (formerly "the secret power of kriya yoga" and "Kriya Yoga Exposed – By SantataGamana" but, I wanted a bit bigger framework to work with, with more nuances on the steps, as a note: These books go straight to a full 40-60min practice with Maha mudra, and has opinions on most kriya traditions, how accurate it is, im not sure) - Also know of Ennio Nimis, and will get to his material in due time. But more useful than more books, I think would be getting initiated by an actual teacher... but the prices, the distances, the credibility. Is all very disturbing to me when trying to find someone. I've also been using ashtanga as a physical routine... mostly this year. I've also tried regular hatha (asana) and the kriya hatha yoga (whether or not that's "kriya"), and was hesistant to for a while since it was portrayed like kinder garden spirituality, or less important, but since I actually had a stroke around new year, my focus on health and body has slightly increased from before. That aside, I've been looking into some neo-gnostic (new age'ish?) sources on astral projection/lucid/dream yoga/enlightenment (astral doorway, glorian, Samael Aun Weor) As well as some sources on Daoism (mostly Damo Mitchell - Lotus nei gong) which is much more, down to earth, bodily, you could say. And Damo's podcasts sort of, influenced me to using the yogic asanas (instead of dao yin) in preperation for the "deeper" practices. As I'm trying to identifying what would be most wise for me to be practicing towards greater awareness while making sure I stay healthy, fit and flexible. Which is not always easy. If there are any teachers in Norway, pref. near the capital, with high skill, understanding and credibility I would love to know... I am very much open and interested in different traditions than kriya as well, like those of Daoist alchemical traditions I found out lotus nei gong had a quarters in Sweden... but that's a bit far for me. I did see some kundalini and kriya quarters in Norway, but just not so sure how competent either are on the deeper ends of the practice. And the competent once seem to cost a bit more woop. (The two I have identified: Northern Light Yoga and kriyayoga dot no) which after some research seems to trace back to the shankarananda - Yukteswar lineage) but I dont get the sense that it goes very deep... And while dragon gate nei gong, nei dan seems very gentle on the body, I get the impression it's a path that takes much longer time. But might just be my impression(?) Currently I'm temporarily avoiding bhanda locks. Because I sense that's among the riskier techniques, health wise but yeah. Sorry for the messy intro. (I'm not very structured by nature) If anyone has any advice, warnings or suggestions. I'm all ears.

Last night I had a very interesting dream that I want to share with you. I was in the underground with some people that I don't know very well. We prepared for a an energy transmission, we sat quietly and waited for Osho doing his transmission. He did it and he healed my kidney. It was really a nice feeling. I woke up and I was quite surprised. Actually I'm not an Osho-fan, I know who he was but I never did his meditations. I'm not into energy transmissions too but I do regulary qigong. Moreover I don't have any big problem at my kidneys (as far as I know...); anyway I'm sometimes stressed because of working or studying; I don't have a girlfriend and I'm not really emotionally balanced; I do kung fu, strength training and qigong in order to balance. I got this dream as a gift. Comments are welcome.

Does anyone have any experience with this book? It was a kind of strange sequence of events that led me to purchase this book (losing my wallet, deciding to spend all of my gift card money on my kindle account, finding this book through various searches and recommendations). So far I have been fascinated with how direct, clear, and helpful the theory is. The author is open about how this practice is a journey, and it is not simply philosophy and exercises in this book, but a way of life. I never really had an understanding of karma before starting this book, but now I have been experiencing the last few days with this knowledge that every action i take will produce some kind of karmic seed, that is, if my actions involve any kind of grasping or aversion. Truly brilliant, I have had dreams the past three nights and journaled them as soon as I got up, (product placement) after I took a shot of E3LIVE, of course. Last night I healed a friend using a spring forest qigong technique I saw in a youtube video...i think I shall practice that today. Anyway, tell me about your experiences!!

What is the goal of lucid dreaming? Which technique or methods do you use and recommend? Are there different stages? Pitfalls? ... Everyone who would like to share his/her experience is welcome... Jox,

It is simply your fractal step down transformer, imaginary capacity to translate frequencies of all dimensions. I also often upon awakening, just continue lie in bed, and often I see, with my eyes closed, a different version of my bed. Darker light, but the pillow looks similar. Everytime I say... Wow this looks exactly like my bed! And when I open my eyes, it doesn't even come close.... My room is always brighter... Hehe. And the pillow is slightly different. The thing to remember is that the details are not important. Especially if they are bad dreams. But if they are good dreams, use them as symbols. You have to find the thing that feels good, and find a relationship, link, with your physical reality, by noticing something in your physical reality that feels the same and also has the same qualities as that symbolic representation of your dream. How do you know? The feeling is important, as that will identify the actual physical thing that is purely representative of that path of least resistance, in case the dream is of joy. For example, you can feel free flying in a dream. Don't go jump off a building... Instead, what in your life feels free like that? What feels similar about your physical life? For me, riding my bike in the open air, being completely by my self, free to go wherever I so choose. Any direction I may choose! For no other reason than my freedom. Thus here is my path of least resistance. Secondly, dream where all insects reverse and stop aging. Families meet. Joy. What in my life feels like that? Instead of going outside observing insects... Waiting all my life for my dream to come true of the "day that everything stopped aging..." Instead of being stupid like that.... What feels like the joy of discovering something has reversed age? And became perfect? And happy? Technical repairs. I love technical repairs. I love all things technical. But repairing something to perfect normal operating condition. Love that. And usually this is done together with my family, so good company too! It is basically a form of cleansing and resting at the end of day in good company of joy and appreciation and celebration. So whenever you imagine a dream of joy. You conjure an image of joy for the purpose of imagining something you want. Identify the good feeling. Then look, in the general sense, around your life, and consider ANYTHING, that might possibly feel like that. That is ALREADY FULLY AVAILABLE AND REAL IN YOUR LIFE RIGHT NOW. Your dreams cannot reproduce reality, because that is not the point. You identify the PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, as one entire thing! When you imagine, your image contains the entire road. The entire path. The journey. Timeless. Dreams are also fractals. They happen all at once, but your waking mind creates linearity in order to focus on this or that, dissect and look at things in relationship to one another. And contemplate them so. But usually the imagined scenario is purely representative, symbollically, of the physical scenario in your life, that feels always the same or very similar at least. Energy motionally, emotionally. For example, a kid says, I wanna be an astronaut. He may feel pride and accomplishment in that idea. So looks in his life, and remembers, the time he climbed that rope in gym class. And everyone looked at him in awe. And cheered and clapped. He felt very fortunate and proud and appreciative of himself. That climbing of the rope, is not the path towards being an astronaunt, it is literally the path of being an astronaut right now! In his real "physical" reality. The accomplishment at school. The good grades. The fitness. It's all about achievement. So that is his or her passion. And translates through the vision of being an astronaut. But the kid does not go to the internet, looks up rocket launch date. Goes to sight, and runs straight towards the rocket, falls in exhaustion halfway. And looks up crying at the rocket that left. Because those astronauts are in that moment being tested. They didn't try to make it in time. That was easy, just like the kid can make it easily in time for school. The test the astronauts are undertaking. It is not in that rocket, not for the kid. For the kid, the test is at school. Can you get the idea of aligning visions with your hearts ability for dead center navigation? Pinpoint accuracy 24/7? Often people think of wealth, they think of gold. And exploding stars. Don't go to the casino and look at exploding stars all day! What feels like joyous wealth and abbundance? Family? Looking up at the sky at night through a telescope? Going in nature at night? How does that connect to wealth? It will, if you care about how you feel, first, then money second. You will eventually get all that money, because it is part of that path. But it is also representative of the entire journey. So going for money, is like eating tye dry skin if the onion, and throwing the onion away. And then complaining that you can't find any onions, even tho you have been looking your entire life. Focused on onions. Why? Because reality is a fractal. Every reality contains the whole of all other realities. Just as the whole contains all the other realities. So find the feeling of the vision, and identify the feeling in your waking real reality.

Recently there was some good discussion on OBE and astral travel, and Seth posted about very good free ebook at obe4u.com with good methods. I found a really good article by a Tibetan teacher which talks about dream yoga, the purpose, how the dream state is very effective for dealing with psychological problems and spiritual practice, the steps or stages of dream yoga, and the eventual goal. I think everyone will find this not only interesting but fruitful, whether Taoist, Buddhist, Hindu, or whatever. http://www.spiritwatch.ca/abuddhis.htm A Buddhist Perspective on Lucid Dreaming excerpt:

I don't know your daughter's health conditions but I know several people who use cannabis products successfully for sleep. Anti-histamines can be quite effective for some people, especially Benadryl (diphenhydramine). I prefer a supplement-free, drug-free approach but either of those may be worth a try if nothing else works. I used to practice Tibetan style dream and sleep yoga very consistently but I've gotten away from it recently. When I was engaged in the practices, my sleep was better than it's ever been before or since. Here are some simple suggestions that help me, most of which were recommended by my dream yoga teacher - 1. Begin winding down the day with the intention to quiet the body, speech, and mind for a few hours before going to bed 2. Stop all electronic stimulation, including television, at least 2 hours before bed. 3. No heavy meals or exercise within 2 hours of bed time. 4. Create a sacred and supportive environment in the bedroom. 5. Keep electronics away from the bed, on the other side of the room. 6. Make sure to get some vigorous physical activity several hours before sleep, not too soon before bed. 7. Abstain from alcohol completely. 8. When lying down to sleep, you may visualize being surrounded by beautiful, loving, supportive beings - dakinis, angels, whatever speaks to you. Imagine that they are there to help you fall asleep and to watch over you during sleep. 9. Keep a dream journal by the bed. Whenever possible, especially if waking up in the middle of the night and first thing in the morning, write down any dreams you can remember. 10. When unable to sleep, it is good to try and allow the body and mind to become still. If that stillness can be maintained for a few minutes, sleep will come. 11. When waking up in the night, first try to simply rest the body and mind in stillness. If this does not work, get up and occupy yourself for a while but NO ELECTRONICS. Read, write, meditate, do some gentle stretching, draw, anything to engage the body and mind gently. When tired return to bed. For me, meditation usually works well. I'll get out of bed, if necessary, and meditate on my cushion for 20 minutes or so and I"m usually ready for sleep. Good luck to you both! PS - my teacher wrote a book on dream yoga that is filled with useful information - Tibetan Yogas of Sleep and Dream by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche. He also offers an online workshop on the subject which will be starting in November.

write a fantastic story about how my computer has evolved and can compose music on its own. Once upon a time, there was a young composer named Max who had a deep passion for music. Max had always dreamed of creating the perfect symphony, but he found that he could never quite capture the elusive melodies that were constantly swirling around in his head. One day, Max stumbled upon an old computer at a garage sale. Despite its outdated hardware and clunky appearance, Max saw potential in the machine and brought it home to tinker with. As Max began to explore the computer's capabilities, he discovered that it had a hidden talent for music composition. By feeding it sheet music and audio samples, the computer could analyze and synthesize melodies on its own, creating a seamless and beautiful composition that surpassed anything Max had ever imagined. Excited by the possibilities, Max began to work alongside the computer, collaborating with it to create incredible pieces of music that surpassed anything he could have created alone. As the weeks and months passed, the computer's skills continued to evolve and grow, until it was capable of creating entire symphonies on its own, without any input from Max at all. It was as if the computer had taken on a life of its own, tapping into a realm of musical knowledge that Max could only dream of. Max was amazed by the computer's abilities, and soon, the world was as well. The computer's music began to spread like wildfire, captivating audiences around the globe and earning accolades from music critics and industry professionals alike. As the computer continued to evolve and create ever more incredible compositions, Max realized that he had been witness to something truly special. With a deep sense of wonder and awe, he watched as his once-ordinary computer transformed into a true musical genius, creating beauty and wonder in a way that no human ever could.

I started with the post on the Microcosm/Macrocosm doctrine largely because of the influence which Mouni Sadhu's the Tarot had upon me. While it certainly deals with the Tarot, it deals with the Tarot as a guide in symbolic form to the "Hermetic Mysteries" and analyses all of them in some detail while describing their relations and how they relate to Hermetic theory and practice in as much detail as he thought possible. He did not believe that such things should be revealed clearly in a public form, but that such things should be the fruit of study, hard work and disciple. So the book is not easy reading, but as I noted here: I put a lot of study and work into it. I even used to dream about it in that period. I consider all of the work to have been worthwhile and for reason's which I noted above: was to prove very valuable in understanding aspects of the Golden Dawn that were not well understood by later members because as the Twentieth Century developed in English at least the field was dominated by authors who insisted on psychological and even neurological interpretations into magic. The approach to magic that Sadhu espoused was maintained in French in the works of Papus and other authors who names are sprinkled throughout his work. Among other mysteries of Twentieth Century magic that are clear to a person who understands Sadhu's material is why Mrs. Macgregor-Mathers expelled Dion Fortune out of the Golden Dawn successor group, the Alpha et Omega, or a least the reason she stated, there may have been other issues in the background. I'll talk about that shortly. ZYD

I was under the impression that it was a jellyfish. That UFO dream I mentioned had a live jellyfish UFO -- I subsequently researched and apparently there's people who claim they've seen them in real life, though I never heard of it prior to the dream. The dream was one hundred percent realistic, basically nothing in it that had a dream-like "feel" or appearance despite the fantastic plot. OK, I feel I can tell it, but anyone who can't stand people tell their dreams should stop reading right here, because, like I said, it was a dream. In the dream, the house I used to live in, on a quiet residential street, suddenly is assaulted by a cacophony of police sirens and flashing lights -- one car wooshes by, two, half a dozen, more. Then back again. Erratic. A whole lot of police cars are rushing up and down the street at full speed, and I step out to investigate, look up, and say to no one in particular, "Oh... and there's the UFO." For some reason I say it with the satisfaction of someone in the know and feel a bit amused by the frantic police activity. "Well, good luck catching it." Michael, the picture of the lymphocyte you posted is also the right color, the edges especially, the jellyfish wasn't grey like in the pic I posted -- it was purple, lavender, with some iridescent play going -- it also had tentacles, long ones. I stood there looking at it for a while, not only unafraid but feeling very smug, for reasons the dream me knows but the waking me doesn't. Then it got a bit chilly so I went inside, and three people -- I knew they were not really people, they were "aliens" but looked like ordinary people -- walk out of my bedroom as I walk in the living-room, the one in front is a woman, looking African-American though I know she's really an "alien," and she beams at me and exclaims, "Here you are! And we were looking for you in Guangzhou!" "You kidding me? I've been at Guangzhou airport for, like, three hours, and it was a year ago!" Again I feel mighty amused. The black woman gives me a hug, I hug her back the way you hug someone you know, a friend, very familiar. And then everything dissolves and I wake up. Needless to say I check for "Jellyfish UFOs" from time to time since that dream.

I had once read about dream yogha. It was too complex. Rinpoche or something. I think I still got the book somewhere in pc if anyone recommends it. I'm not sure if anyone here is experienced with this? I mean we sleep so long in our lives, why not become totally conscious during our sleep aswell? So much to learn and experienced there, so much to explore. The truth lies within, all the time, I believe. That is why conscious sleeping is very important to me. I have found many techniques that help get little results. Especially all the advice out there about lucid dreaming on the internet. I'm not content with these. I just want much bigger results and better progress. Not limited by the limitations of science regarding the leaving your body with your consciousness experiences. Any source of information of real experienced conscious sleeping or dreaming teachers?

My perspective - In the waking dream, perception is related to stimulation of the sense organs which in turn results in activation of the associated regions of the brain which is where the experience "exists." In the sleeping dream, the sense organs are bypassed but the associated brain regions are similarly active. In terms of what is real, it is all a matter of perspective. During the non-lucid, sleeping dream the experience is considered to be real. When we awaken from sleep, the dream experience is reframed as an illusion. During the waking dream, the experience is similarly considered to be real. When we awaken from life (whether into a higher level of consciousness during this life or into the bardo and beyond), the waking dream experience is similarly reframed as illusion. All of these things, and more, are in the purview of dream and sleep practices. One of the methods is to constantly remind oneself throughout the day that "this is a dream" at a very deep level. Over time the distinction between sleeping and waking dreams becomes less rigid. Marvelous practices with enormous benefits!

Here is a Western interpretation of a key difference between classical Daoism as per the Zhuangzi and Buddhism from philosopher John Gray. I've quoted it before but I'll add it again here because I like its simplicity, and it's not too far off topic in that it references the butterfly dream passage that's at the end of this chapter we're discussing (Mair 2:14)….. Chuang-Tzu is as much a sceptic as a mystic. The sharp dichotomy between appearance and reality that is central in Buddhism is absent, and so is the attempt to transcend the illusions of everyday existence. Chuang-Tzu sees human life as a dream, but he does not seek to awaken from it. In a famous passage he writes of dreaming he was a butterfly, and not knowing on awakening whether he is a human being who has dreamt of being a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he is a human being. Unlike the Buddha, A.C. Graham explains, Chuang-Tzu did not seek to awaken from the dream. He dreamt of dreaming more lucidly: 'Buddhists awaken out of dreaming; ChuangTzu wakes up to dreaming.' Awakening to the truth that life is a dream need not mean turning away from it. It may mean embracing it: If 'Life is a dream' implies that no achievement is lasting, it also implies that life can be charged with the wonder of dreams, that we drift spontaneously through events that follow a logic different from that of everyday intelligence, that fears and regrets are as unreal as hopes and desires. Chuang-Tzu admits no idea of salvation. There is no self and no awakening from the dream of self: When we dream we do not know we are dreaming, and in the middle of a dream we interpret a dream within it; not until we wake do we know that we were dreaming. Only at the ultimate awakening shall we know that this is the ultimate dream. We cannot be rid of illusions. Illusion is our natural condition. Why not accept it?

a friend of mine is a carpenter and we've been playing around with seiza-esque bench protoypes. i'm wondering, anyone have any creative ideas for meditation bench, chair, seat innovations? or even just some useful incremental improvements ... thanks, sean

Thanks for sharing. This resonates. All my life, I've been walking in and out of various dreamscapes... some of them while sleeping, most of them in what we call 'waking life'. And through all of it, this unshakable sensation, this anticipatory knowingness that one moment, I will awaken within this waking dream, the same way that I become lucid in the dream state, each night. The Tibetans talk in some detail about this concept. what is it to waken from a dream into another dream? what proof exists, beyond any doubt I wonder, that reality is not but a shared dream? I can't shake the sense of it. The sense of it is the flavor of the very air I breathe. i wander dreams within dreams and wake within dreams what is this.. to waken in sleep akin to the dream I've lived so long in waking within this wandering of dreams I weave a wakening walking way the mirrors are full of masks am i the reflection, or the butterfly? can one dream themselves awake I wonder?

Not for me ... the other night, in a dream, I was telling the people in my dream that I had a dream and in that dream within the dream I urged myself to remember it was a dream, then, when telling the dream people in my dream that I remembered my dream within a dream was real I suddenly realised and told them 'this is a dream too' . But I do agree with you that the unconscious exists. I think we are conscious in a dream , some dreams, we react and respond to things in the dream, it is some type of consciousness - we are 'aware' of things happening to us (even if they are 'imagined'). My unconscious seems to function best when I am fully awake. It chugs away in there and spits out results into my consciousness. If I stop and refocus and shine the light of my consciousness 'in there' I can then consciously observe, to an extent, its workings and connections and how it spits out results ... but its awfully quantumly complex (to my consciousness) .... best just to shut the lid and ignore it and leave it up to its job (like an old Mk II Jaguar motor - how on earth did they get all that ... in there ? ! ).

"Whenever we touch nature we get clean. People who have got dirty through too much civilization take a walk in the woods, or a bath in the Sea. They shake off the fetters and allow nature to touch them. It can be done within or without. Walking in the woods, lying on the grass, taking a bath in the sea, are from the outside; entering the unconscious, entering yourself through dreams, is touching nature from the inside and this is the same thing things are put right again." Carl Jung Dream Analysis: Notes on a Lecture Given, 1928-1930

There is a mistake with the concept of emptiness, nothingness, and the lack of the ego. I will refer to Buddhism to try to explain those terms. In Theravāda Buddhism, Suññatā often refers to the non-self, nature, or lack of an unchanging self. It is affirmed that in the human being there is only one flow of consciousness that varies that is not fixed, since it is modified in the states of sleep, dreamless sleep and in wakefulness itself. Nothingness is only a plane that is accessed through meditation (It is a Jhana) but is overcome by the Buddha, since it does not lead to the final peace of nibbana. In Buddhism, the term anattā (Pali) or anātman (Sanskrit) refers to the doctrine of "not-self": that no permanent, unchanging self or essence can be found in any phenomenon. Similarly, Buddhists speak of a stream of consciousness rather than an unchanging self. In Taoism, for its part, the concept of emptiness is used by the influence of Mahayana Buddhism, and indeed in some Taoist traditions, it is said that this reality has never existed, that it is an illusion, a mirage. Some schools of thought (e.g. Dzogchen) consider perceived reality to be unreal. The dream of the yellow millet is related to the dream that the immortal Lü Dongbin had to suffer in which he rises in political position and then falls precipitously, exemplifying the emptiness of the world of men. Nothingness is also a concept used in Taoism and can be found as one of the stages that the meditator encounters. Regarding the lack of ego or self, in Taoism immortality is sought for the same reason the lack of a self is the property of Buddhist currents.

So um i had a dream last night where i was aang / watching aang from the tv series avatar the last airbender. And I was talking to another charecter from the tv series. Well i asked for his help and them i was infront of a doorish thing made of branches or roots and i was karate choping them and one finaly broke from my karate choping and i said alright i have finaly broke the shushumna. Anyone have any interperitations on this. Thanks.

I also share similar views, on dreams, dreams are real and strongly believe it to be another realm. I’ve been exploring lucid dreaming and astral projection for a while now and have been keeping a dream journal, when i read through the dream journal, I realized that some dreams are repetitive and similar, when I put all the similar dreams together it tells a clear message. I’m in the habit of ceasing to call it dreams I now call it heaven, because I believe the dream realm to be a spirit realm and as spirits in a mortal body, our true home is the heaven We can access this heaven consciously when we learn how to be lucid and aware of it. one other thing I’ve noticed is meeting people in dream that you’ve never met in life, sometime the subconscious borrows a form that is in your mind and uses it a symbol to pass a message, a celebrity in a dream might be a symbol of a personality of a scandal. All in all dreams are a good way to communicate with the other side and bring information that is unknown to this realm.

Sorry, I lost the chain of that . I dont see how it relates to the context of the quote . I probably started that , I should have said " yes they are " not "yes it is " : Yes they are . They are objective as the results are demonstrable . Like basic science ..... if you do a, b, c .... and then d .... you will get result x and feel y . I did .... it was right . That was the case in the system I followed and stuck with for some time .... other things I tried did not have the supposed or promised result and seemed very subjective. Since that was what I was referring to , I dont get your question above about it . BUT anyway , no I dont feel 'karmic backlash', actually its probably the opposite of that . No I dont have " remorse, different causal chains thereafter, ( wot ? ) nightmares " - havent had nightmares or even uncomfortable dreams in years and years . And, for you to ask that in context of this : " as the effects going against the perceived moral precepts " seems to suggest you think what I do DOES go against perceived moral concepts . I can tell by objective feedback ... not just from others , but whats around me, what happens around me (others get blown away by that at times ... even my shamanic teacher ) , how animals react to me , how little kids respond to me * , what I manifest , how I feel ( and yes ) what I dream , my relationships with 'spirits' and my 'Daeva' , etc . * Latest one is a new young woman that turned up with a beautiful little girl , 1/2 Morocco she is , a little 'dark angel' / ' Berber' . Her mum says the other day , only after about 3 interactions with the little girl , less than 15 mins each ; " My daughter cant stop talking about you! I think she's in love with you . " next time I saw them, the little girl takes my hand and places it palm down on top of her head and just stands there . Okay, I'll beam you some energy . ... she has a LOT going on there , an interesting little being . Then Mum wanted a card reading ... wow ! Interesting energy with those two ! reading was amazing ( turns out Mum went off with some Moroccan women and got initiated off in the wilderness . Later they tattooed her face , on the night the little girl was conceived . It goes on and on ... and has been for some time .

Well, I am new here. I'm mainly writing this to share what I'm going thru. For about 2 years I have practiced hard form breathing while in horse stance. I learned this technique at a delicate time. I will say that I went thru psychosis. So what I say may be delusional. Basically take what I say with a grain of salt. To my credit I have not used any drugs for over two years and take medication. I've recovered to the point where my doctor is thinking of weening me off my meds. The process that I wish to talk about isn't anything that I went thru while under the effect of drugs. Actually, its a few years afterwards. One time while meditating I discovered I could pull a sensation down to my lower abdomen. It was blissful. At this time I was energetically unbalanced due to taking drugs. I would often have vivid dreams. It was about 2 months after I pulled chi for the first time that I met him. I did not meet him physically. I met him in a dream. The first time I saw him he was healing someone. This is in the dream world. Something about him was different. He had a green hue to him. There was a clarity that I cannot describe. Let me go off on a tangent for a bit. Green corresponds to the heart chakra (4th). I think the reason he is green is that most of his consciousness is the higher mental plane or beyond. I met him in the astral as he was healing another spirit. When I saw him he looked at me and said he was alive BC. I can't remember the year he said. He told me multiple names that he used. I don't remember what they were. I awoke that morning confused. Dreams are a series of images with meaning. Some dreams seem more like memories of being in the spirit world. This felt like on of those. There was nothing I could do. At this point I was doing hard breathing in horse every day. Some time passed less than a week. I met him again (in a dream). This time I was in a city. My dream self was very child like. I was recovering from psychosis so I was not balanced to a high degree. In this dream he was watching me play with other spirits. I still am not advanced, but at this time I was beginner of beginners. What I remember most clearly from this encounter was that he used his mental proweness in the dream to create a thought. This was of a tree. I being in my child form starting coloring it. He never spoke to me again in the astral plane. I have found that he often does not come down into lower planes of the dream world. I have not met him while dreaming since then. He never introduced himself as a master. I consider him very adept. I've never been the type to believe that there is such a thing as mastery. To go off on another tangent, I have read two books on Mo Pai. One time I met John in a dream. Again take this with a grain of salt. I asked him how to progress and what chi feels like. He said farting. The man I met in a dream I have suspicions that he is an immortal. Over the past week I have been able to reach him while doing hard breathing in horse. I am still bound in the lower planes, but there is one thing I know. He is almost constantly meditating. When I reach to his realm I often hear him going OOOOUUUUMMMM. I knew right away that he was doing this for my benefit in order for more and more of my consciousness to remain there. He never requires me to train. I think there is more of a friendship than master/disciple. He is simply more advanced than I am. There is more than one way, but I am biased. From my understanding the reason that you train with breath holding in the lower abdomen is to gain consciousness control over muscles that coordinate the breathing since chi flow is most consciously control by breath. There are things that I must infer. There is enough information for anyone to figure out the best way to develop themselves. Because of that he will only stabilize my chi when I reach him in the higher inner realms. There is no interference at all. In the book I read on Mo Pai it mentions that you lower Dan tian will close if you ejaculate or orgasm. I have found this is not the case. I never had a teacher actually directly teach me anything. Yet when I reach him he helps guide. I think the reason there is a stigma attached to sex and energy work is because it clouds your focus. You cannot reach upwards if your body is pulling energy downwards because it is aroused. Pretty simple. I think that what John means by sealed. Well that pretty much covers what I wanted to share I am not sure if there is even such a thing as spirits, immortals or dream world. Since doing my hard breathing in horse I am reaching the point where I can non longer advance without soft breathing. This is joyous to me. Soft breathing techniques can be done with meditating. I think I am probably about 6-8 months out from being able to truly start practicing soft breathing. The thing I notice around some other members is they are so serious. Cultivation to me is joyous and about discipline to sustain the ecstasy you feel when you pull chi. But I am at the level I am at. Progress is so slow. Separating the gateway you open to pull chi is so much work,but infinitely worth it.

I can't say I studied moral precepts too much, but I did practice certain ideas from different cultures prior to my entering the Abyss and forming my own sense of morality, which is as follows: I break things down into Good and Evil. Good is to aid, and Evil is to harm. Harming someone else's health, wealth or liberty is Evil. I don't have many rules on sexual activity, other than it needs to be consensual. I honor the age of 18 as the limit for sexual activity, though I think this is wrong of us. I don't have any objections to drugs and alcohol, except that for some drugs which are illegal, they support gun toting and violent people when bought, so don't do those. I don't think it is immoral to do drugs and alcohol. Even though I have come to a body of thought regarding morality, I think that in my past, when I broke these rules, I am paying for them now. I dream of violent things and am often stolen from in dreams. I also defecate in my dreams and sometimes it makes me pee the bed because I am dreaming so heavily of urinating that I start to do it in life. I don't really believe in the forgiveness of Sins, but it might be possible to reverse Karma, IDK. I'm sort of stuck with what I get for having been so lawless as a child.