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I've had some experience with lucid dreaming. I try every day to do reality checks to ask myself whether or not I'm dreaming. I get lucky every once in a while and ask myself if I'm dreaming while I'm in a dream, and even then, I'll have to get lucky to answer the question right. Logic does not rule in the dreamworld, so answering the question becomes difficult. "Check your hands, how many fingers do you have? Six, good, just as I suspected", and suddenly I've missed an opportunity to become lucid. Everything that you experience is an expression of the subconscious, an expression of your emotional self. Emotion, not logic, rules the subconscious. I believe, in my experience, and like Freud, that the person's subconscious is the person's sexuality. The images and experiences we feel in dreams, and even the emotions that we experience in our waking life, are expressions of sexuality. But this paragraph is a digression... Lucid Dreams are pleasant side effects of a cultivated awareness. You ought to not strive for lucid dreams. They are fun, but not a goal in and of themselves. You ought to aim to cultivate the ever-present awareness within you through meditation, and if you begin having Lucid Dreams or Out-of-body experiences, then you can take those as sign-posts that you are on the right track. Continue to keep a journal of your dreams and of your waking experience, and this will help cultivate your awareness and help you become lucid, if you wish. =========== I will talk more in depth about your last question, whether I have tried to fall asleep in a Qigong state in order to become lucid. Yes, I have, but it is hard. It was an out-of-body experience, which is different from a lucid dream. In a lucid dream, you find yourself in a strange, foreign place. You normally reach this while you are already asleep. For a week, I would wake up with an alarm set for 5 hours after I fell asleep. I'd walk up, get some water, write down any dreams I've had, then I went back to bed. One night, I was laying back in sleep, and regulating my breath. After a time, I felt very light. Then, suddenly, I became disconnected from my body, and I was able to walk around my room, like a spirit, through walls. I flew through my roof and over my town. Entering sleep while in a state of qigong will only get you an OBE, not a lucid dream, although LDs and OBEs are two sides of the same coin. But still very different. I have had different experiences, tried using different vitamins or supplements to regulate my sleep and dreaming. But I have given those up. I'd feel like I'm cheating. I just try to practice awareness as often as I can every day, clearing my mind, and I sometimes find myself lucid while dreaming.

That's good. In a lucid dream you are like 20 years to many lifetimes in the future in terms of your magical abilities, assuming you will remain resolute in all that time. So have you experimented in your dreams? You should perform many experiments. Write down your intentions if it helps you get serious. Or don't write them down if you know you can just trust yourself. For example say, "I will try to go through a wall in this dream." Then try it. Then contemplate what you find. I'll tell you what I found in my dreams, since you're not revealing yet what you have found in yours. In my dreams while I can do amazing and at times utterly mind-boggling things, I still experience limitations. For example, there was one dream where I decided to go through a wall and guess what? I couldn't do it right away. For a while I was just pressing up against the wall and going nowhere, even though I knew I was dreaming! I knew I could do it, at least theoretically, since it's all just a dream, and yet I couldn't do it. Then I realized it had to do with how I conceived of the "walls." Even in my dream I imagined the walls to be actual impediments. In other words, I was intending the walls to impede me! When I realized this, I could go through a "wall" except guess what? I re-conceptualized the "wall" as a non-impediment and I could go through it, but guess what??? guess what?? When I did that it was no longer a wall! So in a sense I actually never did go through a wall, not even in a lucid dream. Do you get what I am saying? I enacted an illusion of going through a wall while all the while I knew there was no actual wall there. Get it? So even when I succeeded, in a sense I never did go through any wall. There is a mystical saying that reflects this truth, "A mage doesn't open any locked doors." This means that to open the lock you have to re-conceptualize the lock as a non-lock. But the time you can open it, it's not a lock anymore. Do you see what's going on? This is just a hint. To really get somewhere with this, you have to put your mind to it and practice and contemplate for years and years and perhaps lifetimes. If you're serious, you'll get there. But along the way you'll have many moments where you may ask yourself if you really still want that kind of life. By the time you realize what you have to do, you may not be willing to do it. Or you may still want it. It can be either or, but there is no guarantee. Only you know what you want.

Sloppy, I can teach you to do it, but you won't like the price you will have to pay. In fact, if you've been paying attention to my posts, you'd already understand how to do what you want. Don't bother chasing traditions. Just use your own understanding. Begin by tracking your present limitations. Try to move something with your mind, and when you fail, look into it. Ask yourself this: "If I was a great mage and I wanted to make a world where I had no power to affect objects with my mind, how would I accomplish that?" In other words, if you wanted things to appear physical, how would you do it? If you understand this, then you will know how to go back. Ask yourself this: "Why do my arms move?" "Does intent have a beginning and an end?" "Does intent have a boundary? If not, then why do people talk about 'intentions' in the plural?" Learn lucid dreaming and try to do all that you want in a lucid dream. You may discover something interesting. You may discover that while you can certainly do interesting things in a lucid dream, even in a dream your power may not be infinite. If you experience limitations even in the dream, then ask yourself, "Why?" If you follow all this up diligently, you'll get all your answers in time.

he he Maybe you are becoming an immortal? Anyway, I started a new thread with the topic of dream yoga / sleeping qigong.

Wondering whether any bums have experience in dream yoga or sleeping qigong? I did dream yoga a couple of weeks as per "Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep". I managed to remember almost all of my dreams and when I think back now I can see my nighttime activities somehow made everything feel more connected. However I couldn't manage to get into a lucid dream, probably because my awareness without the monkey mind chatting is still too weak. Also, I didn't get enough sleep which was tiring overall. What are your experiences? Also, have you tried to fall asleep in a qigong state and maybe getting to a lucid dream? This thread was originally started in the Training Goals thread.

yes, the meditation is lying down before sleep. The meditation is accompanied by a high pitch sound in the ears (probably blood flow), a slight buzz in the head, a slight current in the front of the body (like a half MCO) and sometimes a stiffening of body parts. The stiffening part is the healing I think - according to Sifu Dunn. I don't think I can disregard the close down now; when the energy reserve is higher I think it will be more spontaneous like your practise. When I did dream yoga, I suggested to myself to remember my dreams and also recognizing when I was dreaming so I could have a lucid dream. However I didn't manage to have a lucid dream. I think it would work better to increase your mindfulness in the "waking" state and use it for dream yoga if you want.

I started out of curiosity about death and how things "really" work. Then I wanted to become a strong healer due to alot of rifts my parents and friends kept going through. Although I also wanted to learn projection so I could learn what everything was first hand, and I noticed that projection helps with healing immensly. Turns out their is a masssive amount of healing I have to go through before I focus on anyone else, and now I want to be strong, confident and happy and hopefully QiGon practices will help with that, along with my other goals. Funniest thing, After adding my first position from the "a Lightwarriors guide to High Level Energy Healing" I had a very happy dream, and then woke up with the book in my cargo pocket.

EXISTING Fog makes the world a painting obscure. Even close trees are half unseen. But a lonesome crow won't stop calling: He objects to being in this dream. Over and over, the sages tell us that this world is but a dream. When one awakes on foggy mornings, with the mists obscuring hills and valleys and the trees and village buildings appearing as diaphanous apparitions, we might even agree with them. Didn't we see this same uncertain mirage in the hills of Vermont? The hollow of the Yangtze River valley? The streets of Paris? Don't the memories blend with the dream and turn reality into phantasmagoria? The world is a dream from which there is no escaping. In this still dream, there is a crow calling. He doesn't stop. When everything else is frozen in the sepulchral dawn, the bird continues to scream. Maybe he realizes the same dream. He protests loudly. The ancients hold the outer reality to be unreal. But there is the inner reality too. Some of us do not readily accept the conditions of this existence. We have eyes to see, but we also have voice to refute the existential delusion.

Hi Rainbow , Yes it would be really nice to be in qigong state 24/7, it's actually one of my goals to cultivate 24 hours a day. I tried to do dream yoga but I didn't get my rest so it became too tough. I wonder how you do sleeping qigong. Is there any specific method or is it a spontaneous effect of stillness-movement?

Friday Evening Lecture: October 15, 2010 Ancient Gnosis and the Modern World Timothy Freke Those who look without dream, those who look within wake up. - C.G. Jung Carl Jung regarded the ancient Gnostics as early psychologists. This talk will explore the controversial theory that the Jesus story is an allegorical myth, created by Gnostic Christians, and is based on pre-existent Pagan myths of a dying and resurrecting godman. If seen in this way, Jesus is the hero of a spiritual parable that teaches us how to awaken and experience gnosis. Jung also said, “All old truths want a new interpretation, so that they can live on in a new form. We need to take these thought-forms, which have become historically fixed, and melt them down again and pour them into the moulds of immediate experience.” Using Jung’s ideas as a starting point, Freke will present his understanding of the ancient gnosis in a new language, making it easily accessible to the modern mind. Thus, some may understand gnosis as a state of ‘lucid living’ in which we recognize the dreamlike nature of reality. Saturday Workshop: October 16, 2010 The Experience of Gnosis Timothy Freke To explore the profound relationship between the Self and the personal ego and to become conscious of the Universal Self in ourselves and each other, participants of this workshop will be led through a number of simple but powerful ‘I to I’ exercises. We will discuss the importance of the ego for its necessary role in sustaining knowledge of the Self. Paradoxically, it is the process of individuation that allows the experience of oneness. In becoming a more distinct ‘someone,’ we can become conscious of ‘the One’. Based on his experience of lucid living, Freke will offer his understanding of the Collective Unconscious as the ground of being from which everything arises: the unconscious dreamer of the life-dream. Biography: Timothy Freke lives with his family in the UK and is an internationally respected authority on world spirituality, specializing in ancient Gnosticism. He has authored many books, including The Jesus Mysteries, a top 10 best-seller and ‘Book of the Year’ in the UK Daily Telegraph. His latest book is How Long is Now? Tim is an innovative ‘stand-up philosopher’ and has been featured in many films and documentaries in the global media, including BBC 1 and the History Channel. For more information, visit www.timothyfreke.com.

Hello Observer, The answer is yes... your mind is always in the spirit world... but when you are awake, your senses (sight, sound, smell, taste, touch), combined with that little voice in your head (non stop junk thinking) anchor you in the physical world... when you are asleep, your physical senses and your conscious thinking, are turned off... so your mind is at rest in the spirit world... if you are aware that you are dreaming, it is like being awake and aware in your sleep, but your body is shut down.... all the barriers that normally keep you from seeing the spirit world are shut down, and you are awake and aware... so once you realize that you are already in the spirit world, you can walk out of your dream and explore the spirit world... using your thoughts to manipulate your experience of it... Metta,

Hello Mokona, Dreams take place in the spirit world, so they are an open door to the spirit world... If when you are dreaming, and in the dream you know you are dreaming, you can take control of your dream... instead of being passive and reacting to the dream, do the opposite of what you are supposed to do, or ignore your dream altogether and walk away, out of your dream... this is called "lucid dreaming". This is probably the easiest and fastest way to get to the spirit world. below are 3 links that I got just now by googling "lucid dreaming...You can also follow links to other sites. if you check them out, you will see all of the many things that people do using lucid dreaming... also methods that people use to learn how to do lucid dreaming... and how to control lucid dreams. you could also use your meditation to help you develop lucid dreaming. http://www.wikihow.com/Lucid-Dream http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html http://web-us.com/lucid/luciddreamingfaq.htm Metta,

Personally I have done ayahuasca a few times. It is NOT a short cut to enlightenment as people said, BUT it can be used as a powerful tool for healing. You can also utilize ayahuasca while practicing certain yogic techniques like using the Bardo Thodgol. I basically have used ayahuasca as a way to practice the art of consciously dying. I have used the elixir mainly to learn to navigate the bardo, so upon death I can go straight to the realm of clear light, perform rainbow body transference, or I can have more influence over my next incarnation. Learning about death and dying it integral to many shamanic practices including Bon shamanism of Tibet and vegetalismos of the Amazon. The death and rebirth process has been a rite of passage is MANY indigenous cultures around the world, and an integral teaching within the vajrayana cannon. Using the Bardo Thodol during ayahuasca can be usful if you are unable to remain in a state of mindfulness and you begin to fall into the ego game illusions of the mind. When that happens, reading the passages has been very useful in helping me to maintain my position within the realm of clear light. This is why practicing mindfulness is such an essential practice to learning about death, if you get caught up in the illusions you are unable to realize the state of clear light and attain rigpa. Yes the state is not permanent, but it's not suppose to be, it's a learning tool. It's not a short cut to enlightenment, it's simply a sadhana I find very useful. Taoists and Tibetans use the dark room to generate the same experience, nobody ever said it was a short cut to buddahood, but it is a useful learning tool none the less. If you're interested in learning about death and dying but don't have the time or money to go to a dark room? Try to learn everything about ayahuasca including where to purchase high quality ayahuasca and chacruna, get Timothy Leary's book The Psychedelic Experience, and a copy of the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying by Sogyal Rinpoche. Adding dream yoga to this mix would be a very nice touch to learn more about death. Dream yoga is an absolute phenomenal practice to learn about death and rigpa. The ultimate goal of dream yoga is not all that different from ayahuasca, to transcend the dream state and observe pure conscious awareness. I suggest before you do something like ayahuasca you learn a thing or two about how to bless and consecrate the tea as well as the room. And also how to setup spiritual wards to prevent any intrusion of any negative spirits, jinn, or ghosts. It is essential to learn some form of psychic self defense before undertaking any kind of shamanic ritual, at lest that's what I recommend. On a side note.... I have not personally tried this as it is a more advanced technique, but I bet it would be very powerful to use ayahuasca during Chod since it's already a hybrid yogic/shamanic ritual any way. Using ayahuasca can be useful to help lift the veil during the evocation and make it much more "real." http://www.herbalandwellbeingsanctuary.com/ayahuasca_and_karma_cleansing_retreat.html

Yeah, of course, as it is a crucial issue ; without method of solving it only means we guys can't move forward. One of the methods which adopted by the Taoist Wu-Liu School is to refine all our jing into qi by using our focusing ; of course, having succeeded it means even when we are having dream about sex, we don't get any jing released for all jing is already turned into qi.(WARNING : although the process is not non-reversible, it , of course, also means stopping your re-productive ability ) Another method is that as for most guys nearly all nocturnal release happen at certain time in night ,say mostly in between midnight and dawn ( 3am ~ 6am ), some guys may rise up at 5 am to start their meditation so as to avoid the happening of their nocturnal release. In fact, after the ability of our "shen" has reached certain high level in the later period of our cultivation ,we can awaken, instead of sleeping it through, just nearly before the release happen and stop it.

In reply to the original post, I think our current plane of reality is "real" in the relative sense (ie you, aka the average person, cannot walk through walls or materialize objects from thin air) but in the absolute sense (viewed from the perspective of non duality) it is not real, a dream if you will; if all things are one why do we perceive things as separate and many? Why is it that scientists can not pin down the smallest unit of existence, the quantum (er, I maybe fudged up on the details here, but you get the point)? Why is it that every time we think we've found an answer, it slips through our fingers or morphs into something of a different nature? I guess it's more a matter of our minds being conditioned to believe in a certain reality with set rules and boundaries (waking consciousness). Theoretically, as unfortunately I've never seen it entirely for myself, if we shift our identity from the individual to our intrinsic Godhead/Buddha-nature/Superconciousness whatever so does our perception and relation to reality. This would explain the miracle healings and different feats such as bi-location we hear of from holy men across the globe etc... Unraveling reality appears to be unlearning everything you were ever taught.

as far as our soul goes from a taoist point of view we have two parts of our soul. The Hun and the Po. The hun reisde in the liver and are the part of us that continues to exist after the death of the body. The Po reside in the lungs and disolve when the body dies. The Po relate to more of our animal instincts, and constitute mainly the reactions you see in a new baby which is almost all Po. The Hun reside in the eyes in the day and the liver at night, and when we sleep fly away as we dream. Of course the shen our spirit also accompanies us after death, but it operates at a different level. Hun http://www.fivespirits.com/hun.php Po http://www.fivespirits.com/po.php

I'm not sure why, but I've only had one wet dream in my entire life, and that was when I was a teenager. I've heard that with guys this is a problem with often don't have enough kidney yin, and that tonifying kidney yin helps.

Although most religions view wet dream as unclean or even evil ,they all view it as something insignificant and never give it any important place in their religion . It is only in Taoist alchemy that its importance is identified. As we all know , the cornerstone of Taoist cultivation is qi; yet without having accumulated certain jing ( essence), the refinement of jing into high quality qi is unlikely . However, even a very self-disciplined guy who can behave himself well in daytime, he can't get rid of nocturnal releases in midnight once or twice a month . Because of this , the accumulation of essence in his body seems unlikely , and the upgrading of the quality of his qi is also repeatedly interrupted, seems hopeless. In fact, not all nocturnal release are accompanied by wet dream, but most of them do. From Taoist point of view, wet dream is just a not- yet- purified qi grasping our shen (" spirit") as a means to attain its goal . And, viewing it in a much bigger framework , as an individual had taken a lump of qi from the universe so as to be born and living as an individual , the universe is eager to take it back secretly (from his dream ).So , there is always some flow of qi , some balance between them ; the universe is never in a status of lack of qi .. so somehow immortality is unlikely to come true in any individual case.. Although Western people seem never pay attention to the time that wet dream happen , TCM and Taoism do notice it and carefully study it . They discover that the time most nocturnal release happen is when yin and yang of the day intercourse ...Qi in our body just responds to that much bigger stream of intercourse and sadly be manipulated to do its job.

Hello Cat, Thanks for your comment. In answer to tour question, "Were you looking to find out about the spirit world, Dawg, or did it come and find you?" I first started going to the spirit world in "Lucid Dreams"... I would start dreaming, and realize I was asleep and dreaming, and I would then ignore my dream and walk away out of my dream, and find myself in the spirit world... Sometimes if I didn't want to go to the spirit world, and didn't like the dream, I would just lie down in my dream and go back to sleep... When I started meditating at least six hours a day at the Buddhist monastery, I reached one pointed-ness... and then I spent days and weeks at a time when I could see and walk off into the spirit world whenever I closed my eyes, no matter where I was... I could close my eyes in a dentist waiting room, a busy super market, riding in a car, standing on a busy street, and be in the spirit world... at night I could get in the bed close my eyes and walk off in the spirit world.. in the morning I would open my eyes and be in the physical world, then close my eyes and be in the spirit world, then open my eyes and be in the physical world, then close my eyes and be in the spirit world, etc... I am very grateful that I have seen so much of the spirit world and talked to spirits, because now to me, the spirit world is a very real and familiar place... Seeing it has removed all doubt from my mind, and given me a clarity of purpose that I didn't have before... I have no fear of death, because I know I can't die, even if I wanted to... And my only concern now is trying to reach enlightenment, or the highest heavenly realm that I can... I have also learned to love and appreciate our tacky old earth, warts and all, and to develop compassion for all my fellow earthlings (except mosquitoes, the ants in my kitchen, and cockroaches... I haven't managed that yet). Metta,

waking to a dream stomach rumbling, empty dream dreams and memory (partial patch of incomplete gong sound)

waking to a dream sounds not heard, and yet percieved dreams and memory...

half empty of sound half empty of life, I sit waking to a dream

Not sure if this is totally related to the topic.. A couple of days ago a friend and i were chatting about forming deeper connections with certain teachers, why some teachers are more cherished than others, during which she related one experience that made me recall this particular thread. A few years ago, she attended a retreat in Spain and there made a very 'open heart' sort of connection with a Buddhist lama, who was leading the retreat. To affirm her feeling, she kept in touch with the sangha in Spain in the hope of meeting the same teacher again should he return there for future teachings. He did, and each time she faithfully went to listen as he returned there to teach. One day she had a dream... in it she was visited by this lama who looked at her, and gave her this big, warm smile. She was happy with the dream, but did not really ascribe too much significance to it. Two days later she got a call from a friend, who informed her that 3 days earlier the lama had suddenly passed away. That news really made her think.

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This sounds awesome, but is absolutely unrealistic. Society and the establish hierarchy would quickly eliminate anyone posing such threats. You realize the revolution mentioned above would be catastrophic for the economy, religion, and social order in general right? There's a reason why people make people cough up thousands of dollars, why we all have to go through a worthless educational system, and why people are living as wage slaves. No way the system lets itself collapse because one guy supposedly turns into light.... Yeah and that's not gonna come by Max going in front of the public and demonstrating powers. It's gonna probably start from you and me collectively. This is one reason I practice and urge others to practice, evolution doesn't happen because of one guy. Jalus means immortality. So if what Max says is true, yes, he is immortal. According to Max, from what I've heard from him in a seminar, he has subjected himself to medical studies several times. He has MRI photos and x-rays of his body that are quite abnormal compared to a normal human being (I was with a doctor who examined them alongside). And yes, again you can call those pictures fake, Max a master photoshopper. He says he cannot check into normal hospitals anymore because they will confiscate his body. Of course it'll hurt his feelings. But why should he care too much about it? Should he care? I don't know. I'm not Max. I just feel the need to offer an opinion on this because I happen to devote time doing what he has taught. He probably does care because people who have never met him are turning potential students away through stupid unfound rumors like he is some reincarnation of a demon god blah blah. It hurts me too that the art he put out there gets a whole lot of baggage from people who have never practiced the art or met him or that people my age don't have the luck I do to have run into Kunlun and can only dream about the experiences in mystical books. I'm not going back and forth, emotions like these are complicated. They are by nature back and forth.