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It is very much possible. In 2002 I was initiated into meditation by a Guru in a dream. I don't know who that Guru was yet...but the Mantra he gave me worked and helped me through a very bad time. During that time I also conversed with other Sadhus and a Taoist master who was teaching me Chi Gung

Hey there, I agree with you all the way. I have contacted people. The thing is if you do it through your waking life. You have a chance, a very good big chance of picking up a bunch of low level lieing spirits... You would need to already be in contact with your spirit guide to help you find him. It is not impossible. But it needs to be done right and with protection. There are beings out there that if you start opening up yourself and home, they would love to come on in and give you a hard time at the very least... So as this poster said dream walking is great... And there is OBE, but you are going into the astral plain and you have the same problem with contacting low level spirits... So this poster has great advise and may can give you some pointers on dream walking. I have only done it by accident... I don't know how to go on my own account... But we would all love a lesson if you are up to it... Take care Melanie

Hm has he shown up in your dreams? Also Ya I do believe its very possible. I could go into detail why, although I think there should be a level of caution when/if trying to contact a spirit. If anything, I'd say try through dreams.. think of him frequently and maybe decide to drop by him when you're dreaming. Just dream walking would be a safer bet. Contacting them throughout the day not so much.

Hello ! I feel like I already “know” many people here, because I have been reading the threads for months. But I have just registered as a member, and have spent a couple of days looking at everything trying to figure out how things work. I am an American and I am currently living half way up a mountain in the north of Thailand, just south of the Mekong River… I just spent a year meditating at a Buddhist monastery in the forest east of me. At the moment I am meditating alone in solitude. But I will return to the monastery when my dharma teacher returns from Europe and Australia. The internet connection of the computer I use to get on-line, is “flakey”. It is a satellite dish aimed at a satellite owned by a government monopoly. The service is over subscribed, so it is sometimes impossible to get on-line, or I am suddenly bumped off-line. If that is not bad enough, it will crap out if there are too many clouds, or if it is raining… and it is presently the “rainy season”… But thanks to my meditation, nothing really bothers me anymore… I just tell myself that its’ my karma, and go and do something else… As a result, my presence in the discussion forums might be very irregular. I registered as a member, because I wanted to start a discussion forum with the topic title… “Eye witness accounts of the spirit world”… I have been to the spirit world more times than I could count (I once spent more than three weeks when I could see and roam off into the spirit world every time I closed my eyes, no matter where I was or what I was doing)… I shall describe realms and spirit beings that I have seen and interacted with (also any conclusions), and would like to hear other people describe their “eye witness” accounts of realms and spirit beings that they have seen and interacted with (and any conclusions) in the spirit world… Spirit World & Physical World The "Spirit World" and "Religion" are two completely different things. The "Spirit World" is what "is", "Religion" is what we "imagine" the spirit world to be. The "Physical World" and "Science" are two completely different things. The "Physical World" is what "is", "Science" is what we "imagine" the physical world to be ... The Spirit World and the Physical World are unassailable Cosmic Realities... Religion and Science were created by men, so are riddled with flaws and mistakes... Our spirit lives eternally in the "Spirit World", and we are born with a physical body into the "Physical World". When our spirit leaves our body in the "Physical World", we are still alive in the "Spirit World". We never die… it is impossible to “die”. When we are physically alive, we are living in both worlds simultaneously. Our spirit inhabits and controls our physical body, which is what makes our physical body "alive". When we are awake, the physical world of physical senses (sight, sound, smell, taste, touch) totally engages our spirit, so that we are unaware of the spirit world, but when we sleep we return to the spirit world. That is why we need sleep, and why it refreshes our body. When we are asleep and dream, our dreams take place in the spirit world. If when we are asleep and dreaming, and we are aware that we are dreaming, we can take control of our dream (by simply walking away from whatever is happening in our dream), and use our awareness that we are in a dream to explore the spirit world... This is what is called "Lucid Dreaming". This is the "Dream-time" of ancient cultures like the Australian aborigines, and of the native American tribes, that knew the spirit world as a normal conscious part of their everyday lives. (Note: a person can meditate and sit in “Samadhi” for days without “sleeping”, because “Samadhi” is essentially a form of “lucid sleep”). Our religious beliefs, or affiliations, are totally unimportant in the spirit world... It doesn't matter whether we are a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Agnostic, Atheist, etc, etc, etc... There is nothing contradictory in being an atheist, yet believing in an afterlife in a "spirit world". Believing or not believing in a God or Gods, in no way determines our fate in an afterlife in a spirit world. We will go to a heavenly realm if our "thoughts", "words", and "actions" were motivated by "good intentions"; or go to a hell realm if we had "bad intentions". No one "judges" us except ourselves. In the spirit world, our thoughts are “actions” and create realities. Our own mind knows everything that we have done in our life, so that our own thoughts send us to whatever spiritual realm that is full of people like ourselves (we end up there for the same reasons that other people ended up there). This is why religion says that it is important to, "Do unto others as we would have them do unto us"... Because the other people in that spirit realm that we go to, will do to us what we have done to others while we were alive... "We will reap what we have sown"... Our "actions", "words", and "thoughts" in the physical world, create realities for us in the spirit world that effect our "mind", "body", and "spirit" (and so our dreams) even while we are still physically alive. Then when our physical body dies and drops away from our eternal spirit body, and we find our consciousness back in the spirit world, we will then have to live with these realities that we have created while our body was alive... The physical world and spirit world are places of simple "cause & effect"... The "intention" of our thoughts, words, and actions in the physical world are the cause, and the realities that they create will first determine what happens to us in the physical world... Then when our body dies, the spiritual realities that our intentions have created while alive in the physical world, will determine what happens to us in the spirit world. No religion can "save" us from the intentions of our thoughts, words, and actions... They determine our fate in both worlds... Only by having "good" thoughts, words, & actions can we "save" ourselves, because our intentions create our reality (fate) in both worlds... We "are" the "intention" of our thoughts, words, and actions. The Spirit World or Universe is a Cosmic Reality, beyond the understanding of man... Religion is a simple childlike description of the spirit world, invented by man... The various Religions are based on the individual experiences of different highly spiritual men (prophets), who tried to describe and explain the Spirit World or Universe, as they saw it, with words... words that were later interpreted by other men who had never seen the spirit world, or talked to spirit beings. But there are no words that are really capable of describing the actual experience of the spirit world. If a person has not experienced the spiritual world for them self, all the words for describing it have no meaning and are empty... It is like trying to describe to a blind person, what it is like to see with your eyes, and to watch a beautiful sunset... It is like trying to explain to a deaf person, what it is like to hear, and to listen to beautiful music... No religion "owns" the "Spirit World or Universe", any more than any country "owns" the "Physical World or Universe"... The Spirit Universe, and the Physical Universe just "are", and "have been" in existence eons before man and religion appeared... Religion and Science are just man's limited attempts to describe the cosmic reality of the Spirit Universe and Physical Universe. "My teaching (Religion) is like a finger pointing to the moon (Spirit World)... Do not mistake the finger for the moon”... Buddha Everyone is familiar with the "Physical World", because it is the world of senses (sight, sound, smell, taste, touch), the world that our physical body lives in. This is the world that "Science" studies. This is the world that science "observes" and tries to "describe" in logical terms. It is because "Science" is so focused on the Physical World of our senses, that Science is so blind to the Spirit World. The Spirit World is too ephemeral and intangible for science to "measure", "weigh", or do any of the things it does with the Physical World. "Scientists" are usually so focused on the world of the senses, that they have no awareness of the Spirit World, and because they are unable to experience it, they dismiss it as non existent. And because no one can give them tangible (physical) "proof" that a Spirit World exists, they then think that the Spirit World, and Religion by association, are just a lot of nonsense. But for scientists to demand "physical evidence" for the existence of the spirit world, is as clueless as asking scientists to provide "spiritual evidence" that their science is real. Both the Spirit World and the Physical World have "natural laws" that explain how they work, both are based on simple "cause and effect", but they are totally different...

This has been my experience as well. I wrote a rather lengthly theory a few weeks ago about this very topic (about women being Middle Dan Tien centered, and men being Lower Dan Tien centered .. primarily) It was in the Heart Center/ Middle Dan Tien thread here it is.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:03 AM I just woke up this morning and I had this dream that I feel gave me an important insight. There is the heart center which lies in the Middle Dan Tien, and the sexual center which is closer to the domain of the Lower Dan Tien. It has been my observation that people with blocked heart centers tend to be more focused on sex, while people who have blocked sexual centers seem to be more focused on the emotional aspect of relationships. Think of it as a PVC pipe with water flowing through it. Now lets say I drilled two holes in this pipe. As long as both holes are clean water is going to flow out of both holes more or less equally. Now lets say that one hole becomes clogged or blocked. This will have the effect of raising the water pressure in the remaining hole. So lets say one has their heart center blocked. Then that would seem to indicate that more pressure would tend to flow out of the sexaul center. Now it would seem that for what ever reason that a lot of men (and of course some women too) tend to be more straight foward "mission minded" less emotional in regards to sex as compared to women. Women on the other hand tend to be a little more problematic when it comes to achieving an orgasm than men (and usually are more sexually hesitant), but also seem to emphasise the emotional component of a relation ship then men. This would suggest to me that in general men have more problems with blockages in their heart center, and women have more problems with blockages in their sexual center (and yes I know there are always exceptions). The man with a blockage in the heart center would have more pressure trying to escape their sexual center, and vice versa with the woman. It is easy to see how this would not only create a great deal of internal frustration (sex obsessed man, emotional woman) but inter-relationship issues as well. To the woman the man would seem to not care enough about issues of the heart, and to the man it would seem hard to get into the womans pants. In my observations on homosexual couples, women who have become lesbians often tell me that their relationships with women are much more soft and tender than with men. Homosexual men seem to be highly promiscuous changing partners often. This behavior tends to reinforce my theory on where blockages tend to predominate in the various genders. A third category might be the serious scholar / nerd who might be blocked in both the lower centers and only open in the Upper Dan Tien, the kind of person who seems uninterested in either sex or emotional relationships, but only in study and contemplation. So then I suppose that the idea state is of course to have all areas unblocked so that in all aspects of life we remiain well blanaced. Yet if in a certain aspect of life we do seem to be unblanaced, then understanding why we have such an imbalance is likely the first set in finding a solution to that imbalance." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was my theory at the time, and since then my experience has only confirmed this even more. I believe that most women are hard wired with their primary focus in the middle dan tien, and men in the lower. This would explain a lot of the differences between men and women in their approaches to sexuality and relationships. I found your descriptions interesting as I have felt the exact same sensations as you were describing. If I retain/do qigong a lot I get flirted with quite a bit, (and I'm not even being flirty). So as to your question as to why practice makes us more attractive to women I remember Drew saying that men want the women's jing, and women want the men's chi. So I suppose that if we have a lot of chi, women are going to feel this, and find it attractive. The lower dan tien is the residence of jing, so men want more jing from the woman. The middle dan tien is the residence of chi, so women want the man's chi.

I have had the same experience.. and this is what i have come to figure out; meditation allows you to take ownership of your intent, energy and shen. your shen can be a projection of intent and, most people aren't aware of that. its the shen that manipulates the qi.. and at a base level this is the projection most people eminate in social circumstance. if they are mundane, they dont emit strongly unless they have an excess abnormality, and that can manifest in various ways.. its why criminals 'feel' dangerous or sexual predators radiate this vibe. dont be deceived, these types of people are meditating too, just not structured and they meditate on different things than you. they generate momentum with these practice.. as concientious practitioners we get to take these effort to a 'better' place. most men who haven't learned to be aware of their illusionary 'wants' and 'needs' are still slaves to the base emotional response.. lumbering through life with lustful thoughts and projecting that shen.. its the natural yang response to yin energy. they are effectivly walking around in an attitude emotional rape. most guys i know wouldn't dream of doing it on physical level, but ask them to honestly say what they are thinking and it would repel you. aware or not, we are responsible for this energy. our energetic projection is no less substantial than our physical presence, and our society has engineered itself to respond to this fact with the large majority of the masses unaware they wage battle daily.they have to be first in line, they cant make eye contact, return a hello.. they are unconsiously reacting to a stimulus they dont understand, have never explored and probably dont beleive in. and then there is you.. who walk into a room more or less in control of your monkey mind and not a slave to your ego and just invloved with the act of being there, and its like a breath of fresh air. your not projecting lust, pride, anger etc.. you just are. its a rare and curious thing, and who wouldn't be attracted to that?? its comforting. and it puts you in position to help educate others and then they can have the opportunity to live a full and complete human experience of intergrated mind body and shen. and they tell two people and they tell two people and so on and so on.. but it does take work, as you know, and unfortunalty for todays society its far easier to just pick up an STD, stay angry and blame others for this terrible terrible world... but im digressing. good for you! be well and keep it up!!

Thank you for your advice, I will take it into consideration. First of all you are right about me sticking to Falun Dafa. As I see it I will continue cultivating Dafa until the end. So you could say that I am orthodox. Secondly, NONE of my views(except copy-paste from Master Li´s quotes) are official FD truths. Those views are just my personal state of enlightenment(cultivation level) at this moment. So I am actually arguing for my standpoints at my level of wisdom, which by no means is any absolute truth or any official FD truths. Note this. So these lively discussions are only my way of showing you some external reasons for my current enlightenment state. Everyone knows that during daily life and meditation one will have the strongest experiences and become convinced about one´s cultivation. Thirdly, I agree, these discussions have become too intense and repetitive with the same users repeating their standpoints over and over. I will slow down here since many users seem agitated by now. Finally, I have said it before. Nobody can be recruited to Dafa so why do you keep thinking that I am preaching? Predestined people come and the rest will not come. It is absolutely impossible for anyone without a heart of steel to cultivate in Dafa. Hence nobody can become a genuine cultivator without that heart of steel. Saving people is a completely different matter and only means people should like the principle of Zhen-Shan-Ren and hence think Falun Dafa is good. Finally a side note about how some users look down at others in here. Many users are upset about what Master Li has said and they actually slander him in various ways here on the forum. I am very sad when I see such things, no matter who is slanderred. Should a cultivator not be tolerant towards others no matter which opinions they have? As mentioned before, Master Li has no karma(visible to anyone seeing him practice), hence he must have immense wisdom and a cultivation level very few people can ever dream of. How can an average cultivator/everyday person understand such a man and judge him with their human opinions/emotions? Are you worthy of having opinions about such a man? Did you ever meet him? Why has he no karma? Does he not speak truth? In that case he would have had massive karma and could never sit like that in double Lotus. I urge everyone to use their common sense as a cultivator. Do I dare to say something bad about Jesus, Lao Zi or Buddha or anyone else at their extremely high levels of cultivation? Absolutely not! I am extremely far from their level and can only admire such people. Let any man(or woman) who can sit 12 hours straight(hence he has almost no karma in his body and has surely seen many other dimensions) in double Lotus tell us his "opinions" about Master Li. I bet that person will not say a single bad word about Master Li.

Quite a few people believe they will return on the 23rd of December of 2012. Something to consider. Even though I have made "dimensional" type travels (i cant do it for a long period of time yet) Made contact with these frail looking beings who once looked like water spirits to me... Even I have a hard time believeing this stuff. If it happens great, a new epoch and that means 99% of the population can stop telling everyone their religion/politics is absotutelyposolutely right. Maybe not. I can still dream. I am glad to see people starting to take some what of an interest in this type of thing. It will expose to to some of the origins of Daoism and specific rituals that honored them actually came from the Pleadian Spirituality-Science. The pleadians dont have a religion as we do but they regard it as "just existing" which means they are past the need to believe in things they cant see.

"do you ever practice outside?" "Girl, I like yoga, but it really loses a lot not doing it in nature" "do you know any place where it is possible to practice" -"no I don't know that? Could you bring me?" "Do you know of any good vegetarian place around here" Ask after yoga, while you are still lying on the mat. Ask as if you were just waking up from the most superb dream. In general it's easier to hook up during a workshop. Or before class: "I need a massage" "here, let me give you a massage" "I just learned this foot massage, let me try it on you. [joking tone]Tell me if it's VERY painful[/joking tone]"

LOL I should work more on the clarity of my communication. I don't mean to say that pain = progress. Only that it's common enough that it should be expected. If the path of cultivation were easy then everyone would do it. Expecting it to be all rainbows and kittens is a pipe dream. The truth is that no matter how many great moments, pretty scenery or mind-blowing realizations come along there are still plenty of humps in the road. If there weren't then there'd be no need for cultivation in the first place. You could think of it like rock climbing. The higher you climb, the better the view but you still have to climb . It's easy for the master who's climbed a hundred mountains to say, "oh yeah this is an easy mountain. It's a very simple ascent to the top and the view is great! You'll have fun the whole way up!" He's climbing MUCH BIGGER mountains so it looks that way to him. No matter what mountain your on though, it's you're first time up this particular rock. You don't know that half way up the wall gets a little crumbly and your fingers aren't quite strong enough to grip those tiny handholds near the top. Just like you don't know that you have nasty blocks in your spine and you're in for months of crippling pain while your body fixes itself. You're going to slip and every time you do, you're going to scrape a knee or bust a knuckle. The view at the top IS worth it (I hope ) but people should realize that nothing worthwhile is all that easy. You have to be willing to put in the effort and stick with it and that's something you can't buy. No guru, master or teacher can give that to you. It comes from within and you have to dig deep keep going forward if you want to achieve anything.

I'm posting this here because I have the sense that there might be others on this forum who will have a better insight into what I experienced. If any of this strikes a chord with you, please let me know. I will try to be as concise as possible, while still including everything that seems relevant. I have had experiences with bad spirits in the past. When I speak of bad spirits, I am referring to the specific kind that are drawn to negative energy, and manifest by holding you down at night. Those spirits that keep you from moving your body when you wake up, and exist as an oppressive force when the mind turns back to the conscious world as the body has been resting. Now I know that some have said that the conscious disconnect between mind and body is perfectly normal, and scientists have tried to explain it away. I would rather not rehash that aspect of this. I have been going through a difficult healing process following a fall that I took about six months. Because of that my energy levels have been low, and my attitude has been fairly negative at times. I have felt despair about whether or not the pain will ever go away. My girlfriend has been dealing with an alcoholic father for her entire life. Last night she just got bad news about him, and she was upset. She often times talks in her sleep, and last night she was vocal in a very angry sounding way. I just mention that because hearing her practically shouting is what woke me up one of the times last night. We are sleeping in different rooms because I need to be able to move around and stretch out to work with the spasming muscles. Last night I was feeling particularly optimistic, and I was doing some deep, meditative energy work in an effort to clear out the blockages and will my body to relax. I mention this because my suspicion is that all of the grief and negativity that my g/f was feeling, combined with my light work might have drawn the negative force to our home. (If you're still reading, thank you for hanging in here). A while after I awoke to hear my girlfriend angrily talking in her sleep, I was drifting back and forth between that state of sleep and waking. Now that I am fully conscious I do not completely remember what my thoughts were, but they were along the lines of concern for her, and peace and relaxation for the both of us. At some point I drifted asleep because I later became aware of that oppressive, evil force. As an aside, I heard a concerned meow from our cat who was in the other room around the same time. It might have even been what turned my attention to it. You know how attention and focus get weird in that in-between state. Upon becoming aware of it, my first intention was to try to move, to test it. I was unable to move. The next thing that came to mind was to form my index fingers into a cross (I'm not Christian, but something about it made sense at the time). I was unable to join my fingers together, my hands and body were paralyzed, yet I felt like I was making progress toward moving them together. Then I began to mentally direct my intent toward the force, and I told it basically, "You will leave me. You will leave my home." That seemed to get things going. I was able to move and actually put my fingers together to form a cross. At that point I became conscious, in control of my body. Now this is where it starts to get weird. I sat up and felt this concern for my girlfriend in the other room. I stood up and placed my hands together, palms touching in the traditional "prayer" style. I silently asked for help, for light and I went into her room. The tension in the air was palatable. She was laying on the bed completely rigid, and some how I just knew that she was struggling with her own internal demons. I could feel the negative presence around her, and I just stood there at the foot the bed, breathing deeply, willing it away. It probably took four or five deep, concentrated, breathes during which I willed relaxation and peace over her to break the aura of badness that had built up around her. I saw her visibly relax. I considered that I was done at that point, then I realized that I was not. I laid down next to her, and ran my hand over her head a few times, over the crown, breaking whatever connections had attached themselves there. (Isn't it interesting how malleable an unconscious person's aura can be?) Then I hugged her and told her "You are okay." "I love you." "Everything is okay." "I love you." It was odd because she was verbally mumbling the equivalent of "leave me alone... go away" while at the same time snuggling closer and hugging me for comfort. Eventually she relaxed and mumbled something along the lines of, "I love you". I laid down next to her with my eyes closed and consciously willed myself to Wudang mountain in China. It was day time (which is odd now that I think about it, since this happened around 1am PST which would make it afternoon in China, right?) I saw incense burning, and I drew the positive intent from the incense toward us. I saw clear blue skies and monks doing their forms... I felt the energy, and I channeled it into the room. I stayed with her for a few minutes then I whispered that I was going to go lay down in the other room again. About five minutes later she comes into the room, still half asleep... scared, crying... worried that she had done something wrong. She had no recollection of me being in there with her (that is common... I talk to her when she talks in her sleep all the time... full blown conversations that she never remembers). She just remembered waking up from a really bad dream, and needing to be with me. Anyway, that is the story. Here are my questions. Evil influences... external or internal? Part of me feels like it was drawn to us. Another part believes that it came from inside of us. Banishings... real or not? Can we as human beings consciously perceive manifestations of ill will and negativity? Can we counter them with positive intent and energy work? Taoist immortals, buddhas, repositories of pure qi and positive intent. Real? Available to those who need them?

I know some people who are hermits over here although, base from the way they act towards me I can't seem to sense any loneliness from them or even see in their auras. In my opinion I think the main reason they don't feel lonely is that because, they spend most of their time meditating their awareness has expanded to a certain level that they have total control of their emotions. It's like that feeling you get when you are deep into meditation that your body is so relaxed and your mind is so focused that you seem to get detached to everything almost to the point of having a very good dream and you don't want to wake up, now imagine those hermits twenty four hours a day feeling that feeling only with their eyes open. Even though we all are social creatures. I think when you are into a spiritual practice the control you develop from meditating keeps you anchored to higher consciousness which make one person not to feel that sense of loneliness. I'm not saying that everybody can do it but it is possible to not be able to feel lower human emotions. SY

Hey, Well you know where I got Dream Police from don't you? That is cool about the dream catchers, I love Native American people and things... Mel

Yeah, and thank you for being here and sharing your experiences. The title of this thread caused me to think about the Native American Dream Catchers. I have a number of them around the house that were presented to me by an organization I help support. Peace & Love!

Hi there, I was just meditating again and my arms starting rising, third, or fourth, time now. This time I called my husband in the room and said "look" and stayed calm and relaxed. It stopped rising but held there about a minute or two and slowly lowered again. My husband doesn't do these meditation with me, he didn't know what to think of this... We had a talk about it, And we where saying if it wasn't for the ridged organized religions that are ran by our governments. Where could we be as human beings, it is a shame. We should all be talking to each other with our minds by now... I just have started my journey. I have along way to go. I have had one OBE, and now this. And some other things. I will not talk about at this time. But this is exciting we should all be excited for humanity... I know there are those of you out there who have advanced your selfs way beyond this. I would love to here some of your experiences, if anyone would like to share. I can say since I have started my work, I feel more together, and calm, and centered. I am an empath, and sensitive. So I took in a lot, and my thoughts would be scattered... This is just what I needed, I am so thankful to God for leading me to this website... So Thank you in advance to each and every friend, and person for your advice, and guidance, that has and will be given... Take care Melanie

Ok, I don't have any stories about juices, but I thought I would offer something about sacred art. Brian Stross at U of Texas has an article at "http://research.famsi.org/aztlan/uploads/papers/stross-sacrum.pdf" (it's a PDF) titled Mesoamerican sacrum bone: doorway to the otherworld, in which he contends that some of the sacred art in Latin America depicts the sacrum, which was held in special revere by the shamans of the area. Difficult to describe things that can't really be done, yet I hold to my understanding, which is that the two respirations utilize the sense of place in the occurrence of consciousness to align the body to open feeling. The two respirations are pulmonary, and cranial-sacral (rhythmic change in the volume of fluid in the dural sac). Because the cranial-sacral rhythm pivots the sacrum on the pelvis, and the stretches of ligaments and fascia that ensue can generate involuntary activity in the muscles of the legs and pelvis, the changes in cranial-sacral rhythm can cause action in the extensors up the back of the spine to move the bones that control the cranial-sacral rhythm (nerves along the sagittal suture). Thus, the rhythm generates the movement that generates the action that moves the bones that generate the rhythm, and the whole system can feed back. This can be large, or just sufficient for a recurrent sense of the location of consciousness through feeling. My guess is that when the sphenoid is involved in (relatively) large movements of the cranial bones, the pineal gland is affected, and psychic phenomena is realized. The psychic phenomena is real, yet is by nature a dream (the pineal produces melatonin), even if it is experienced by more than one person and even if it opens the akashic record. The alien taught that you can feel anywhere, beyond the limits of the senses. I tend to focus on the location of consciousness as a thing that moves, yet this is really the experience of the ability to feel that is enabled through the use of consciousness by the two respirations, and this is not limited to the boundaries of the senses.

i had a flying dream it was awsome a was flying upwards then i got scare and decended but then i said let me fly up to the universe and the last thing i remember was that i got lost and returned to my body what does this mean in a tao view

Wow... Cool Thanks, I was worried there for a minute. I felt very light, had covers over me. So I will stay at my work. Any suggestions for me? Sounds like I need to be doing some other practices, I'm sure. Does this happen to everyone? Flying... I us to dream. I would fly, all over the place. So Tai-chi and qigong... I live in the middle of no where. Just start reading, and getting some CD's and practice this way. I have had no training in this, just started meditating. Does this come to some people quicker than others, or all the same? Thank you for answering this for me. I don't feel to weird now. That was scary admitting that one. Didn't want the white coats to show up...lol Ok... Take care, Thanks again... Melanie

Yes I know what you are talking about, I think you are talking about "Dream Walking" which is close but a little different. Someone please correct me if I have the wrong term, this is close to it though... But no.. I don't have any Native American blood, that would be cool though. I was told I did, and we traced the family tree to find none. But if you are talking about the same thing... Sorry I wasn't trying to correct you. I just have heard of people becoming very skilled at this as well. And it is similar... Thats another good subject to talk about though... Mel

Hey dude!!! I am a musician and long time practitioner too so I know where you're coming from. 1st of all, a great book you definitely should read to get a deep understanding here is "drumming the spirit to life"; by Russell Buddy Helm. This man is one of few that helps convey the meditative path that lies in being a musician. T(d)oism is really just a word to describe something wordless. It's funny really when you think about it. So the point is, just because I'm a Taoist/Buddhist, or whatever, doesn't mean I don't ever say anything. Saying something is sometimes necessary to help another in the path of realisation. Music is a form of language, a play of form only. It's a pointer, or a sign to an experience. That is why we can feel the story in a song. Just as we do a poem or piece of art. Chap, if you meditate regularly, and realise your ultimate nature through direct experience of it, these kinds of questions will answer themselves, because you already have all the wisdom waiting in the unlimited nature we all share as our true root or nature (words eh?, they just don't quite cut it : )). For now though, in case you don't go and get started on meditating yourself, keep in mind that individuality is actually irrelevant at the deepest level. It doesn't really exist at all apart from our interdependent experience of it; it is a projection by the mind, that we experience. Look at it yourself. Can the seemingly separate experience exist without the mind to perceive it? What happens when you dream? Looks and feels real doesn't it? Is it real? Words again : / Scientists are proving that matter itself is inherently interdependent on something to perceive it as matter, through examining the deepest elements they've found like quarks etc. Einstein had this understanding pegged as a theory years ago. He's worth checking out aswell. If you want advice on direct exercises you can do to see this stuff for yourself directly, let me know. There are some great teachers and books, but there's also a lot of vague re-hashed stuff out there. I don't want to talk too much on this so I'll leave it to you to further experience - personal experience being the most important, you can't swim by reading a book about it. "The way cannot be put in to words". So moving on, as individuality is a misconception; everything we live is more like a ride or dream than a individual experience. SO, even these words, and 'you' reading them. So what if it's not real!! The point is, is it useful? Does the communication help wake you up out of misconception/suffering or harm you? That's what's important. A great quote by the Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) on this is - "Only speak if speaking improves on silence" Sometimes sharing your honest story can help another to realise something important in themselves. Like how to be honest themselves, or they may see a virtuous principle hidden in your words. This is why integrity in musical sharing is a powerful force for positive cultural change, especially for someone like you, who is walking the path of realisation and communication all at once. That can really make a difference. When I grew up, I went through a lot of physical and emotional abuse. Good healthy honest music is what gave me the strength to not kill myself for fear of waking up to another day of suffering. It can be that powerful. Someone mentioned Jimi (Hendrix) earlier. I recommend you check out some of his interviews and you'll see he felt the same way. He is still revered for his great work. Why? A number of reasons, too long to include here. I am not advocating we all as musicians need to copy him and take up acid or anything like he did ... ... I didn't need to to get a realisation of all this stuff. I'll go more in to my past some other time. Walk your path bro. Be honest and get a personal taste of these wonderful teachings we've been blessed with by hard working dedicated spiritual practitioners; musicians, poets, artists, comedians, speakers, teachers etc that actually cared. Because they knew we're all one mind, some didn't but still shared virtuous principles like integrity and insight, which can be life changing for some. Blessings chap, I hope that clears it up for you, but feel free to ask me any questions you have on it bro : )))) Phew ... longest post yet ... hahahaa

SFJ, It seems you like to explore C.G. Jung's images of dream interpretation. Others have used this method of water imagery - such as: "Prophetic Method of Nostradamus Nostradamus used a variety of magical arts and tools to induce ecstatic trances. Visions came to him through flame or water gazing, sometimes both together. he also followed the practice of Branchus, a Delphic priestess of ancient Greece, requiring him to sit, spine erect, on a brass tripod, the legs of which were angled at the same degree as the Egyptian pyramids. The upright position, and possibly the use of nutmeg (a mild hallucinogen when consumed in sufficient quantity -- [deadly when the dose is too large]), stimulated the mind; the angle of the tripod legs was thought to create a bioelectric force which would sharpen psychic powers. Or the prophet would stand or sit before a tripod that held a brass bowl filled with steaming water and pungent oils. "I emptied my soul, brain and heart of all care and attained a state of tranquillity and stillness of mind which are prerequisites for predicting by means of the brass tripod." http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/method.htm

Hey guys, I've had this experience where everything around me seemed an illusion. Don't know how to explain it, its vague. It was more then a feeling, because it actually gave me control over my perceptions, thus feelings, this started of scary. It was a weird experience. Scary at first, joyful later on. The Tao views everything around us as void, which brought me to the Tao. Everything around me, all external objects, and even my body and emotions were all perceivable, but it was like an illusion. As if I was 50% in another realm. This experience was short, but it did not fade away before me. The experience did not pass by for me to understand, to know the diffrence between then and now. Somehow it dissapeared just like you loose awareness when you go to sleep or go from lucid dream to non-lucid. But my eyes were open the whole time, I was simply awake. There is no boundary between this experience of now and that experience of now. Others call this a higher state of consciousness whereby you wake up during waking state just like a lucid dreamer wakes up during a dream but is still in the dream. This usually results in an unstable position that requires alot of practice to keep stable and in control. I've trained this and managed to only have a few lucid dreams, and basicly you either risk being too consciousness of your real body lying in bed and you wake up, or you become lost in the dream and you loose awareness again and fall into a regular dream. It did feel scary when I had WILD experiences and MILD at first. For those of you who never heard of this, I know, but appearantly lucid dream is as real as cake. My awakening during waking state felt the same as a lucid dream, everything around me felt very very fake and unstable, very scary at first, because this time external objects were not a dream but real familiar objects. I could control what I perceived with open eyes... I can't really relate this to much but higher awareness or Tao, if not those, probably scientificly it would be my "EYE that perceives perception and controls what to perceive and what not to perceive" Whereby perception is your believe system. It feels like you are not your body, you are everything around you. I know its stupid to ask how to "recreate this state of mind", that seems completely nonsense to my rational mind, but if someone could tell me more about this it would help me place this experience somewhere. Don't know what to make of it other then my body tricking my mind. Nice experience tho, being in control over what you feel and not feel. kinda like fine tuning emotions, just b'cuz... I don't understand... maybe I'm just psychotic, even tho I've been educated quite alot. Thats out of the question right? Besides... I've only had this experience 1 time in my life.

BRIDGE Dream arch shimmers in storm clouds: Bridge between heaven and earth. Its entrance is hard to find. In legends, they say that the rainbow is the bridge between heaven and earth. Think how difficult it is to walk this bridge. Not only does it appear very seldom, but we cannot easily find it. It seems to be just at the horizon, but the more we go toward it, the more it eludes us. To find its end, to even stand at its base and contemplate the dizzying heights that must hover over its high arch is even more impossible. If we were to stumble upon that sacred path, could we be light enough and pure enough to walk its raindrop surface to the embraces of gods? My companion says that he once saw a triple rainbow. What a rare sight indeed! Truly, the land where he saw it must have been blessed, and he was lucky to have such beauty revealed to him. But then again how high must heaven be to need three insurmountable bridges?

I just woke up this morning and I had this dream that I feel gave me an important insight. There is the heart center which lies in the Middle Dan Tien, and the sexual center which is closer to the domain of the Lower Dan Tien. It has been my observation that people with blocked heart centers tend to be more focused on sex, while people who have blocked sexual centers seem to be more focused on the emotional aspect of relationships. Think of it as a PVC pipe with water flowing through it. Now lets say I drilled two holes in this pipe. As long as both holes are clean water is going to flow out of both holes more or less equally. Now lets say that one hole becomes clogged or blocked. This will have the effect of raising the water pressure in the remaining hole. So lets say one has their heart center blocked. Then that would seem to indicate that more pressure would tend to flow out of the sexaul center. Now it would seem that for what ever reason that a lot of men (and of course some women too) tend to be more straight foward "mission minded" less emotional in regards to sex as compared to women. Women on the other hand tend to be a little more problematic when it comes to achieving an orgasm than men (and usually are more sexually hesitant), but also seem to emphasise the emotional component of a relation ship then men. This would suggest to me that in general men have more problems with blockages in their heart center, and women have more problems with blockages in their sexual center (and yes I know there are always exceptions). The man with a blockage in the heart center would have more pressure trying to escape their sexual center, and vice versa with the woman. It is easy to see how this would not only create a great deal of internal frustration (sex obsessed man, emotional woman) but inter-relationship issues as well. To the woman the man would seem to not care enough about issues of the heart, and to the man it would seem hard to get into the womans pants. In my observations on homosexual couples, women who have become lesbians often tell me that their relationships with women are much more soft and tender than with men. Homosexual men seem to be highly promiscuous changing partners often. This behavior tends to reinforce my theory on where blockages tend to predominate in the various genders. A third category might be the serious scholar / nerd who might be blocked in both the lower centers and only open in the Upper Dan Tien, the kind of person who seems uninterested in either sex or emotional relationships, but only in study and contemplation. So then I suppose that the idea state is of course to have all areas unblocked so that in all aspects of life we remiain well blanaced. Yet if in a certain aspect of life we do seem to be unblanaced, then understanding why we have such an imbalance is likely the first set in finding a solution to that imbalance.

Yes, I found that my Rinpoche awakens people to shen first then slowly through teachings in yantra yoga (our version of hatha yoga not to be mistaken with meditation on yantras or mandalas) we then integrate our shen experience or Rigpa with our chi or prana, thus purifying our jing and creating a balance through a process of cleaning through the practices. Of course if one can stabilize shen upon the initiation experience, then the arising of purification movements "Kriyas" happens on a deeply subtle level with very little outer or physical trauma as the transformation happens naturally by releasing into naked awareness and much of the physical changes happens during lucid dream space. But, most people have to practice stabilization in the pure experience of "Rigpa" through various techniques. Kundalini of course wakes up, but we don't call it "the coiled one" because in Buddhism we awaken the energy in a different way as described above and still get the results of higher intelligence, creativity, etc. Here is a link that describes beautifully what I was talking about above and a little quote from the link. For a really good book on Indo-Tibetan Buddhist treatment of yoga and the energy of it largely known as kundalini, check this... Yantra Yoga: The Tibetan Yoga of Movement Also... The Bliss of Inner Fire: Heart Practice of the Six Yogas of Naropa Considered one of the best English translations of how Kundalini or Candali Yoga manifests in the Buddhist tradition.