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Dream, so horses arent scared uses six syllables though Can i go with 6? Can i go with 6? Maybe I should start anew? Or go back a post? Or go back a post... Paradoxical choices... Which one should I choose?

which one should I choose the heart knows, the chi follows dream so horses aren't scared

Sifu Jenny was in my dream last night, she was teaching me how to transplant orchids without killing them! Good omens.

A good practise is the waterfall type visualization. There are several ways (points of view) to visualize energy falling or wanting (pushing) to flow over you, or you receiving (willing) energy flow to the body. Can also be the point of view of the universe, just making an energy shift from one place to another, so that you are not so associated with your body. Sit with hands palms up, and also visualise the energy going into your bai hui top of head energy gate as well as palm gates. But it can just loosely flow too. This meditation is pretty common, because it makes use of the natural flow of energy or prana into a human body, and then uses one's yi or intent and visualisation to maximize it. Most people dont do it enough to really get into the point of view, but if you take the point of view of the prana itself, its very effective, if you can take the point of view of the universe and make the movie so real its like a lucid dream, then that is most effective. I can only do that briefly because the picture fades.

Hi Rodger, Thanks for the kind words, the Burning Palm connects to the elemental forces and uses them in its practice and healing maybe similar to other type of MAGIK, but I wouldnt call it magik this was the law of the old they where more connected to nature than what todays modern world could ever imagine. Todays society has simply lost the plot and its connection to the forces that created us As a Daoist, we like to say return back to the source... Simple in words but many cant comprehend? The Burning Palm times of practice is giving us the hints to do so, and the connection to these elemental forces with help heal and give you deeper understanding of the laws! Here is a quote from Lao Tzu that I live by and this is also stages of the path if you truly understand it!!! Health is the greatest possession. Contentment is the greatest treasure. Confidence is the greatest friend. Non-being is the greatest joy. Lao Tzu Witch, Same as you a picture or even your name I can to contact you, not only is this a BP Healing method (remote healing) but can be used for harming according to my Sifu. My reason for learning this art was not from "Oh I like the meditations or fighting" But from what happened to me by experience what my teacher did to me to make sure I wanted to learn this art, seeing If I was ready for such a system. Oneday Ill share this story I think I have done so on TTB forum once or twice before? Nothing mysterious about BP just a very ancient way of life using energies, not the average run of the mil Taiji type that is taught around the world for health these days, much deeper IMHO! Im a happy go lucky guy, like meeting new people even if its during a dream, just remember I may talk back and enjoy it too? Take care my dear... Sifu Garry P.S My Ex wife was into witchcraft

You are supposed to be resisting my attack, not looking forward to it! Also this sort of thing is obviously very open to suggestion, so it's not really proof of my kewl powerz if I warn you ahead of time that you are going to have a naughty dream. Frankly I'm not sure I can find you--you are harder to find than Max. I tried this morning and was unsuccessful, will try again (at an unspecified time!) I have to get to know you better, will watch more video. Rogerj, I usually need at least video and a strong familiarity with the personality of the person to be able to find them. It's easier with people I have met in person and know well, especially if I know their natal chart.

More and more I feel that this physical life we are living is not real, I mean our ultimate conscious level exists in another plane and proyects itself from a dual perspective: yin (dream world) and yang (physical world). Final awakening means returning to the original conscious state called dzogchen (Tibetan Buddhism), returning to the Source (Daoism) or parinirvana or eternal true self (Mahaparinirvana Sutra). I need to wake up, I am getting really tired of this eternal samsaric game. You can wake up too!

Overstating that a bit, don't you think? It was a one-time thing. I came after him, he defended himself with overwhelming force. But as I have said many times, I'm not even a beginner in the practice, I have zero defense so overwhelming force on me might be nothing at all to a regular practitioner. With all this brouhaha I decided to try again last night. This is what happened. First off, I had the sense to not try to attack him, I just connected. He immediately became a three-year-old boy, alone and afraid. Not quite as effective as a baby for extracting heart energy, but very good. Very different approach from last time, but once again took every last bit of my heart energy. On the other hand, didn't take anything else, so that was good. Fortunately was lying down on the sofa when I made the attempt. I couldn't get up afterwards. I fell into a trance, I think for about an hour. I suppose I can figure that out from my last post here. Woke from the trance, got up, went to the bathroom, staggered off to bed and slept for nine hours. Had this recurring dream about a Christmas ornament we have that is a plastic prism-thingie in the shape of a heart. This morning I feel all tapped out. Good thing no hot dates planned for the next several days, I got nothing left! I'd appreciate not making me out as some kind of innocent young thing or that Max has a "spiritual vendetta" against me. I've been the one making the initial contact, not him, and I am an ENERGY VAMPIRE. I'm the sort of woman they warn you about, I'm a witch, I can do the evil eye, yadda yadda yadda. I steal your jing. There. As I keep saying, Max is powerful and he takes energy, and isn't too particular about the safety of his beginning students. I said worse initially, but with all the people here including Taomeow (who is never wrong) who have done his practice and/or received transmission, I have to say that I initially misjudged him. Cam turned out fine, better than fine. Yoda has had problems, obviously, but I don't know enough about that.

I'm sorry to see you go, 5ET. I always found your perspectives and posts interesting. No one can create anything new and not expect to receive criticism and doubts from others. Even if they've put a great deal of thought and effort into it. Good luck to you. "Thus shall you think of this fleeting world: A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream, A flash of lightning in a summer cloud, A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." (The Diamond Sutra)

Oh, I'm going to regret this post... This is exactly what happened and I remember it like it happened yesterday, because it really freaked me out: I absolutely attacked Max. I attacked him in a playful way, but I attacked him. First off, I have very little martial arts training, just a couple classes a long, long time ago, never made it past the beginner level and certainly haven't practiced in the last decade (although recently I started taking a tai chi class for health). The reason I post here is because I am a witch and have a lot of kundalini energy, although much less currently than I did when I attacked Max. Sex magic comes easiest to me, and I am able sometimes, but not always, to give a man a wet dream. Max's people were going on about the stupid 100 days of non-ejaculation (which I still think is a moronic thing for men to do). So I decided to make Max ejaculate. That was my attack. As soon as I connected with him I realized I had made a serious mistake. Along the connection came such a strong force that I forgot everything about myself. Literally. I forgot my own name. It took all my arts as a witch to break that connection. From that, I will say what I have said all along--Max is a very powerful wizard and I think unsuitable as a teacher of beginners, and I'm pretty damn sure he taps the energy of his students, although obviously gives energy back in the form of transmission. Then again, I am the personification of an unreliable witness. From my point of view he's been rather upfront about it, in a sly way. He's said all along that he is Coyote, a trickster character. Trickster characters bring great gifts and change, but they always steal and the truth is hidden under the face value of what they say. For a long while I was afraid of him and this site, but I've lost that fear.

I've been known to wet the bed when I've had that dream. A little too lucid.

Thanks K. You're right, from what I heard, these things happen eventually to meditating folk... its also mentioned in school's texts and sacred texts as well. Yes, those who are sensitive may detect odd things like these manifestations all the time. Attacks may occur because your environment, or your vibrational energy, as friend suggests. You should do space clearing too. I did a mediation just sitting, after waking up. I ask the universe to assist me to purify my energy upon waking up. I just happened it see it like that (perhaps in a semi-dream state) hypogogic state even (since I had just woken up). The negative may be caused by kidney energy weakness too, is my thoughts. That is because kidney is black and corresponds to fear in 5 element theory. I am no expert though. I also have tinnitus, and sometimes the ringing flares up suddenly. Sometimes it corresponds with feelings of fear. Then I use some Tao techniques I know to drive away some bad energy, and the ringing stops. The easiest way is to envision golden light. What do you guys use for shielding/protection?

Creation. Check some Kundalini sites re: heart stuff. "sleep paralysis" is a pretty common experience, as are "hypnogogic" visions. If i stay aware, i can sometimes get dream images and waking reality to overlap. It's also possible that meditation does this. I'm sure one could "accidentally" set it off. I also prefer to see most "stuff" as self-emanating, although I'm aware that there's more to it than that:-)

OBEs is just part of a larger picture. I am talking about various meditative techniques (including dream work) which combined together that will help you rise your conscious level, hence work on your karma and purify your spirit-body. Friend, My experience is just a experience, like yours belong to you. They come and go and so be it, but it is good to know at what point in time you are at to make sure you are progressing and not stuck at a specific level, which is a common pitfall amongst experienced meditators. Also these experiences will help you get rid of the idea that there is a YOU, the ego. When you reach the ultimate reality, the "bright overwhelming light" then you realise we are all God. Buddhas are able to maintain that conscious level before they reach parinirvana, this is a very serious state. I'm not claiming that this book will help you attain Buddhahood (only countless of lifetimes and several of them involving dedicated spiritual practice are able to extinguish karma and burn all the skandhas) but the dedicated process spread out along the stream of consciousness certainly will take you a long way. You reap what you sow and that includes any spiritual technique that you may employ. I am not a staunch advocate of this system, just my Bagua training and simple sitting Vipassana work seems to work fine, but hey at times I like to explore other techniques in order to break my routine a bit. Dragon Gate Daoists employ a wide-range of spiritual practices in their regime, nothing wrong with that. Buddhists seem to be happy to stick to the method set by their school and that's all good too. Each to their own, there is nothing good or wrong as eventually all roads lead to Rome, some faster than others though.

Without a doubt Twinner has made the most important point in this thread. Taking up causes can be great, but there is indeed a much bigger picture. Real change can only come from within one's heart. Anything else is a band aid solution. The problem is that people don't like to change. It's not easy. They like to feel good, they like to "make a difference in the world", in their mind. They like to feel important. So suffering and injustice continues in the world, and abundance for all, all power for all, and all freedom for all remains a dream for most.

Dear Sifu Terry, Thank you very much for shedding light on BTB pratice. I learned the moving meditations of vol 2 but jumped over them too, as well as the sitting meditations, and will incorporate them to my practice, I guess it wil take more than a couple of years to master them , and each exercise is really a treasure. I became aware of my "dream body" stuff a with FPCK, and am in the very beginning process of trying to get familiar with this realm,with the side effect of an energized, healthy body. Unfortunately, I don"t know how to bottle up virility effect too, so I guess I will remain poor but at least and at last- I have something to play with thanks to BTB Counting my breaths does not work for me , my breathing gets very subtle and faint as in deep meditation,and counting distracts me. Anyhow, I am doing 9 reps in 25-30 minutes, so I guess my pace is OK, and now that I know we can take some resting breaths in between the sets, I will reach 18 in a short period. Will try the extra slow version also. I (mis?)understand that the sitting meditations are designed to energize the upper dan tien, are there any standing exercises in the series which might have somewhat similar effects and sort of cover them in the long run ? Thanks again, Cihan

Yes indeed Sifu Garry, I've had many an epiphany lately as well, for instance my personality was fragmented in about three different ways with the three different yet contained persona's, but I recently found a peace within myself and with that those fragments sort of melded back together into what they began as. (I think the meditations helped immensely in this!) I'm glad I'm not going crazy, this is just the first time I've had so specific a dream and it sort of knocked me for a loop is all. As for the basic meditations not being so basic that's definitely something to look forward to in the future. Warmest Regards, Shen

I fit in rather strangely with this group, as politically I am an Anarchist, But I believe that Democracy {in the real sense} is a crucial stepping stone to creating an Anarchist society. I also fully support Taxation, as our contribution to society but believe most current models are broken, as the Mega rich get taxed the least in many cases. I hear Joeblasts comments, and I want to ask him if he has heard of Sweden? Taxation there is about 80% or massively high, I only hear these things from our regular Swedish Backpackers, but they say the place is just great. Free dental, medical, Education, sport centres, child care, bathing and Sauna centres... And somehow with their semi socialised democracy, they come out as one of the most economically competitive country's in the world... And cross that with ranking high on the Happiest country's in the world poll. America doesn't even make it to the top 10, so why does Joe and others like him think it is so great? Its called Brain washing. All their lives they have been told about the American Dream and how great it is, they see the red white and blue waving in the wind with moving patriotic Trumpet sounds in the back ground, and 'ahh we are the best country in the world...' We Invade and murder millions for their resources, and "Ahh we are the best country in the World" The divide between rich and poor is getting huger and huger but "Ahh we are the best country in the World" Millions of homeless everywhere... "Ahh we are the best country in the World" Biggest debt in the world, but "Ahh we are the best country in the World" Have more black men in prison than the population of Australia's biggest city and "Ahh we are the best country in the World" The highest Murder rate, but "Ahh we are the best country in the World" Our own citizens are dying everywhere because they can't afford medical help but "Ahh we are the best country in the World" Fattest kids and general population anywhere but "Ahh we are the best country in the World" nearly half the population are Christian nut Bars, but "Ahh we are the best country in the World" Prisons for profit successfully lobby for a 3 strikes and your out [permanently Imprisoned] law in a country thats {generally} proud of abolishing slavery, and "Ahh we are the best country in the World" The religious Nuts in power send masses of money to Israel, to make sure that Israel fulfils biblical prophecy, but "Ahh we are the best country in the World" Most of its citizens are so heartless that they support people dying from lack of proper medical care just so they don't end up out of pocket and "Ahh we are the best country in the World" The list could go on but you get the picture... America is the greatest F@#!ing Country in the World! Now pass the cool aid, and we are going to make the rest of you drink it with us! {plays American Anthem} So seeing all this, and considering the general state of public Brainwashing, then protesters at wall street are always just stupid middle class know nothings [all of them all the time], socialism is 'always' evil and a stepping stone to 'shudder' Communism, which is the massive enemy patterning Brainwashing key here... and Nothing is better than Americanism, ever, in any way whatsoever, all the time...

I discovered that at night time while lying on my back, with my eyes closed, elbows resting on the bed, discarding completely about how I am breathing, just holding the chi ball above my navel in a very natural hand position start an energy flowing, which feels like a whitish light and transform my state to a very blissful one. By moving the ball without lifting my elbows, I can feel the corresponding centers under the ball react and energize, especially if I start fom the root and go up to throat very slowly. I cannot go further towards my head without lifting my elbows so I stop at the throat, because I don't want to mess with my upper dan tien with this experimental qi gong. I also experimented with turning my palms into many positions and gently focusing on my individual fingers, and find out many parts of my body can be bathed with this light by these corresponding experiments, some movements are like opening a tap. The trick for me is always to keep very slow relaxed moving,and not completely stopping for more than a minute. After a period of time, I cannot feel the the energy any more (my body's time is around 40 mins), Then I turn my palms away from my face above my belly and easily project anything on my dream body without falling asleep. (I have really vivid imaginations this way) The palms act like projectors and help me meditating. When my hands start feeling numb,I put them in the closing position on my lower dt, and go to sleep fast with wild dreams. I am not forcing any astral travel and did not experienced one yet, but I feel it will come naturaly if I do that pactice long enough. I am doing this only for a month and will keep you informed about any progress if anyone is interested. Cihan

I don´t really know if there is a diffrence in revolution and evolution, hehe. When I speak of conscious evolution, I´m speaking of the global values or the average set of values that the people have. This consciousness forms the reality. It is the lens trough which all people see. When someone wakes up while other people are sleeping, he or she will be hung or burned. This happens in Libya, where all the people are very united and where Gaddhafi gave his ruling power over to the people. These people refuse to have their land owned by some invaders. They are so couragious that they´re willing to die for their purpose. Even the children are tought to pray even when NATO drops huge boms nearly 100 a day nonstop and send in sleeping rebels. It is literally AVATAR in Libya. All around Africa people are coming on horses with blade and bow&arrow. They fight for freedom, for their values and believes. So what you say is true and can sum up the current AVERAGE consciousness. Basicly, its obvious that this consciousness is on a lower level of civilization. I woulden´t even give this level the number 1. It should be somewhere between civilization 0 and 1. I don´t think its going to stay this way aswell, because there has been signs of a waking up in humanity since hundreds of years ago. When consciousness slowly evolves to higher levels it doesn´t happen in any specific amount of time or moment. Not to mention that on occasions consciousness falls down and goes into sleeping mode. You have golden ages and then dark ages, etc. Some say the conscious evolution has cycles like that. When conscioussness, because of some cycle, the consciousness increases and suddenly, like a waking up, you have lots of people that pop up all around the world and speak of new ways of thinking. The Golden Age seems to be near, but first there will be allot of resistance and violence. The duration of the violence depends on how long it takes for everyone to wake up and addopt the new values. So lets say that at first 10% of the worlds population becomes conscious of the flaws in their current values and believes. This slowly increases. The more it gets towards the middle, the more conflict rises. In the end, changing someones values is not easy. Not even during the waking hours of the consciousness cycle. There will always be people who are asleep and cannot let go of their old ways of thinking, because it has become a habbit that is unnoticed. They experience cognitive dissonance and their natural survival instinct tells them to defend their ways of living that is essentially outdated. During the waking hours, some people are basicly still over-sleeping. You will have people who will hold on to their property, because they believe that nature can have an owner. While people that wake up believe that nature is for everyone equally. So conflict arises. At first the owners win, because they have more power. The problem is, alot of people will starve and they will try to steal land from the owners of land. So violent will rise very quickly, especially when more people are forced to wake up. The owners say `you are criminals, coming here to my land!´ The rebels say `you are criminals, not sharing your land!´ and people who have societies where land is for everyone, they will have to fight the rebels who want to make the land for only a few elite chosen people. So in the end, all the people that own land or want to own land will be killed. Simply because very few people own land these days and thus very few people cannot defend their land. So the owners will eventually all change their mind, seeing that if the land is for all the people, then no one will have to fight over it. It all depends on how fast people wake up that determines how quick all the violent will be over. If spiritual miracles take place, this will boost the overall speed of changing values because it increase the consciousness. With high consciousness less cognitive dissonance is experienced, so the best values and believes naturally finds its way on the top and remain. If the land is only for few people, many will have to fight for it. If the land is for many people, few will have to fight for it. The only peaceful way is thus making resources of this world the common heritage of all the people. Its like sharing a scarce meal with your family. Everyone gets a little. The thing is, when all war stops, we can actually have abundance for everyone on the planet. War is a suffering away of energy. With effecient use of energy, we could have 300% the current population without war and conflict or teritorial dispute. However, before everyone has woken up, I believe half of the population will have been wiped out already. So then no one will worry about having scarcity anyways. By the time we reach high populations, we will be able to live on mars or roam the stars and directly harvest energy from the sun and stars. When the earth resources and all of the recourse in this universe becomes the common heritage of the people, no one will have any reason to waste time with useless stuff. Especially in science great minds will be born that are not hold back by hunger or poverty. People who don´t have to make commercials or take part in any form of corrupting the world in order to put food on the table. In a world where food is free, there is no competetion over who has the best. Its simply about who contributed the most to their fellow earthlings. Contribution is a universal desire for humanity according to science, for male and female. When food is free, you don´t have to be the best to have a nice family without struggles of money. Simply having eachother and nature around you will be enough. Business models will change all around the world. When there is no fear of hunger and poverty, everything will change and technological growth will burst like a maddog. Art, creativity will also grow much much more when artists no longer have to beg for money. Their lifes purpose will be to evolve music constantly to higher planes and give better and better performances instead of many stupid perfomances as a way of begging for money to put food on the table. Every person on earth will want to contribute instead of take money because of fear of poverty and hunger. Infact, in muslim communities you this incredible freedom everywhere. This is because they are thought to only fear god, not even death or hunger. So they either have a united society or a dead one. That is how consciousness grows. We actually had this consciousness in many civilizations in the past. Like the Indians who also believed that money can´t be eaten, and that people have to cooperate with nature in order to live in harmony. I have dreams of half the population wiping out everyday now. Wether its commets, nukes, tsunami´s. Whatever... I´m always the only one with few other people that knows of this end of planet in my dreams. We run around and find out what is exactly going to happen to prepare. The last hope of survival. What happens in my dreams is all the time I become lucid because I´m so scared and everyone around me is just minding their own business and having fun. So as I see the end of the world arriving and look at my watch to countdown, the watch is blurry. I throw the watch away and ignore the end of the world and just talk to some people to ask what they´re doing. I choose the light and not have fear. Fear bounds darkness to our hearts. When we fear violence, it will only be worse. Fear is what causes resistance to the light. This is what the ancients have said. By fear they actually mean worrying. Without worry, there is no fear. Fear is naturally though, especially when you worry alot. To sum it up a great society can relate and yet differ. We can all relate in a way that this earth is our common heritage. So we have to share in order to become Great. Yet everyone will respect eachothers diffrences in personality and archetype. We will respect the others life purposes. Only in a Great civilization, people don´t stop relating to eachother because of these diffrences. When the Great human civilization talks about food, energy, resources, they do not consider them selves diffrent from the rest. When the Great human civilization talks about culture, they do not try to relate to the rest. This is the way of peace. To reach this point, inevitably some conflict will arise. Conflict itself also raises consciousness, so its not that bad. Also hope for spiritual miracles that raise consciousness, reduces cognitive diffrences and speed up the process of the transition. We´re in an important and dangerous transition of civlization level. I´m personally hoping for huge spiritual miracles or uniting of consciousness right before a Great War is about to break loose. Like in my dream, where everyone will wake up right when they were about to watch the last seconds on their clock. Wether this spiritual miracle comes from science, religion, old cultures, wise people, I don´t care. It should unite the whole world this time. Not just certain civilizations like in the past. The prophets of the past have created the atoms of human civilization, the prophet of the future will create the molecules.

Good idea to avoid Siberia in winter. I've never been as an adult, except in haunting dreams, and memories of early childhood. Someday... The very first dream I remember -- I was about 3 -- is of a snow-horse. It was very shamanic.

As I replied to manitou, I have done quite a bit of mediation that, at times, has actually led me to that "dream-like existence," you have described. That's a feeling that comes and goes for me and it can be alarming, but I assume it requires great practice to reach a stage where you are always inside of that space; even so, would one want to be? I can't say I know what being one with the Tao means, though I'm sure one who practices so extensively must be quite auspicious. I simply want to ease my suffering and avoid becoming permanently damaged and scarred as much as some of the people I have seen in the world. But that attitude in itself is somewhat judgmental and negative. I guess it depends on what you want. Which leads me to be grateful for your advice regarding, "wu-wei towards others." I have tendency to want people to accept me in the ways I accept them. I really like people, and love them for who they are much of the time, though I do face resentment and other unkind feelings at times. I find positive people, whether they are relaxed or tense, happy or sad tend to be best for me. As long as they make a point to be positive and try their best to be kind. Thank you for the post

From the Diamond Sutra: "World-Honored one, this true form is not true form and so the Tathagata calls it true form." "This is why, Subhuti, Bodhisattvas and Mahasattvas should develop a clear, pure mind which does not dwell in form, sound, smell, taste, touch or dharma. They should develop a mind that does not dwell anywhere" "Therefore Subhuti, Bodhisattvas should go beyond all conceptions of form and appearance in order to develop the Supreme Enlightenment mind." "Subhuti, one who seeks anuttara-samyaksambodhi, in regard to all dharma, should thus know, thus perceive, thus believe, and comprehend: Do not give rise to the notions of dharma." "Subhuti, the Dharma which the Tathagata attained is neither real nor illlusory." "If all form and appearance are seen as illusion, the Tathagata will be perceived." "Don't attach to form and be one with Suchness." "If one perceives that all phenomena are not phenomena, one will perceive the Tathagata." "One who looks for me in appearance, Or pursues me in sound, Follows paths leading astray, And cannot perceive the Tathagata" "How should this teaching be expounded to others? Without attachment to form, at one with Suchness. Why is this? Because: All phenomena are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble, and a shadow. Like a dew drop and like a flash of lightening, Thus you should view them"

(edited to remove quote) I second Manitou's advice above about practicing sitting meditation. Just sit with a straight back, ears over relaxed shoulders, start with your palms face down on your lap. It's not easy at the start to just do nothing, much harder than it sounds so it is actually doing something. You could practice by just lying down with no radio or anything for 20 minutes just to get past the first part. This is like the home base of any spiritual practice. For it to carry into the rest of the day, it helps to maintain the same relaxed but erect posture. Posture often tells the mind how to feel so keeping a relaxed and straight posture helps to do the same with the emotions and mind. As for ego, to understand anything you need a point of reference, ie., yourself, so a bit of ego is necessary in the meaning that ego means self. What is not ego is false-ego or super-ego which basically plays make-believe about who it really is. This is not evil, it's a mistake. People that say "the self does not exist" are looking much deeper to the point that they see this whole existence does not exist but is like a dream. That is not something that we can just go "oh, yeah, right" right off the top, so don't worry too much about that. And to be one with the Tao, just don't worry about adding all these things to the ego and you'll be on your way. Really being one with the Tao is an incredibly high attainment which people fast for weeks and such before they do. But being one with who you are is like a micro-cosm of this, let that part approach you first. Also, wu-wei is mostly about trying too hard, using more effort than is necessary. You need to make some effort just to stand still, but to be tense and flex all your muscles is not necessary. It also applies to meeting people.. don't try to force them to like you, or to force them to hang out with you, and you will practicing wu-wei.. this is also a better way to interact as it more morally correct and considerate. It's hard to have no false-ego in the real world since everything tells us to envy everyone else and to be superman. That causes confusion for everyone that falls into it. My advice for being social -- be "fun-loving." Love to have fun. A good piece of advice I once recieved "if you want to be happy, hang around happy people." got to go peace HE

Very cool Simple Jack I have just started practising dream yoga. I would love it if you would give a run down of how to/you practice, or even start a thread on this great subject. I have the books on it but I would love to know hints or personal elements you have found that help make this practice effective... Seth