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Greetings.. The objective world exists as a verifiable continuum.. the tree that was in my front yard yesterday, is still there when i awake today.. The dream i had last night has no consistency, no continuum, the dream i had the night before was completely different, no relationship with last night's whatsoever.. Be well..

Would you explain what you mean a bit more here? Relative is that which is sometimes relevant and sometimes irrelevant. It is sometimes true and sometimes false. For example, if I say "Today is Tuesday" that's a relative truth. It's true for me, right now. What if 3 days from now I said the same thing, "Today is Tuesday", would that still be true? No, it would be relatively false. That's why we wouldn't say that "Today is Tuesday" is the ultimate truth. Alternatively, if I say, "You have 20,000 pairs of shoes", it might be false now, but when you go to sleep and have a dream, you might actually have 20,000 shoes in your dream, and at that time the same statement will be true. What makes relative truths unstable like that is the fact that their truth depend on various causes and conditions in the mind. Since the causes and conditions are always shifting, and the truth statements themselves are not similarly shifting, the statements either become false or fall out of relevancy altogether. For example, any truth talking about forms is irrelevant in the formless realm (of perception). So if we say that goldisheavy is slightly fat, that's not relevant in the formless realm. And being relevant simply means you're able to make use of it. So, if you know that goldisheavy is slightly fat, you can suggest diet and exercise for example. Or you can make a funny joke. These are some of the ways you can use that truth. But in the formless realm, such truth has no purpose, is not connected with anything, and you cannot use it in any way. When you first hear an exposition on the view of dependent arising, what does it look like? It's a series of statements and maybe questions. It's probably in English (unless you're also fortunate enough to know Pali, Tibetan, Sanskrit, Chinese, or Japanese). Right as you hear the exposition for the first time, it might seem alluring and interesting. But say, the Dharma talk ends and you go back to your girlfriend. You are playing with your girl and forget all about dependent arising. The only truth you need then is how to cuddle and the truth of dependent arising is irrelevant. Let's say later in the day you go to sleep and have a dream where 20,000 shoes appear to you. And let's say you're worried that your house is overflowing with the shoes. You might be stressing over where to put all those shoes and wondering whether or not you need them all and so on. So the truth about 20,000 shoes would be relevant at the time of that dream, but the truth of dependent arising would not be. Assuming when you hear exposition on dependent arising for the first time you're not accustomed to contemplating it yet, as in, the exposition is truly novel to your mind, at that time, the truth of dependent arising is just one more truth competing for your attention with tens of thousands or even millions of other seemingly equally weighty relative truths. Assuming you're attracted to the teaching of dependent arising, eventually you'll spend more and more time pondering various implications of dependent arising. You'll bring it to mind, and start considering this and that implication of it. How it affects your day to day life. How is it relevant to your thinking. How is it relevant to your eating and everything else. As you contemplate it, you may find it more and more relevant in more and more situations. At some point you might even be unable to forget about it for more than 1 hour at a time. Later on you might feel that whether or not you remember it, it is always there, because your very bones begin to carry the consequences of contemplation. As you continue examining it, something strange happens. Your place in the world changes. Your relationships with yourself, other people, Buddhas, and insentient objects change. You begin noticing that your dreams are affected and so on. And, as you keep practicing contemplating the view of dependent arising, you realize there is no substantial difference between ignorance and knowledge, between foolishness and wisdom, between Buddha and sentient being, between dream and waking, between sentient and insentient and so on. At some point you can't even tell if you've ever began practicing this view or if you were always like this. It seems like everything changed and nothing changed. It seems like you've learned so much and at the same time like you haven't learned even one thing. Since I am trying to describe the indescribable, obviously these descriptions do not suffice and do not fully or even partially capture anything. The intention of awakening gathers steam, and at some point becomes unstoppable and unblockable. Then, even if you took LSD, or went to sleep, or lost yourself in meditation, or got knocked out by getting hit in the head, or died in a ditch, or rotted alive in the field somewhere, no matter what, nothing could obscure or block your realization and your realization would even transcend any idea you have of yourself. In some sense it's not even yours. In some other sense you can't be sure if realization belongs to you or if you belong to it, or if maybe there is no difference. Or if there is a difference, that's maybe fine too, because there might be no difference between having and not having a difference. Thus your mind would constantly abide in an open, peaceful, effortless and unconcluded state, but at the same time, there is no way you could identify what state it was, because what would you compare it to? At that point your heart and mind would become free and unimpeded and all possibilities would become open. At that time, your presence, your life, your mind, your conduct, your view would be ultimate and inscrutable. At that time, should the truth of 20,000 shoes arise in your mind, it would have the same meaning and impact as liberation itself. At that time all truths and all phenomena would be liberation. All views would be ultimate and since there will no longer be a substantial difference between ultimate and relative views, your views won't be even ultimate. They will become indescribable. At that time, even if 10,000 Buddhas put their heads together, they couldn't describe your true way of being and nor could they complete the description of your merit, or even properly begin describing it. At that time, should your body be cremated, your very ashes would have the same wisdom as your person before cremation. To give you an example, imagine that your mind is a chunk of steel. The teaching on dependent arising is a hammer. Every time you contemplate dependent arising, the steel of your mind heats up, softens, and the hammer strikes the steel of your mind. After you contemplate dependent arising 10,000 times, it's like this chunk of steel being hit with 10,000 hammer blows by a skillful blacksmith. The result is a sharp sword of wisdom! The sword retains its shape even though it's no longer being hit by the hammer. The sword can even cut the hammer that forged it in half and not lose its sharpness one bit. That's the symbolic sword of wisdom.

Scientific experiments all take place within consciousness. Perceiving the thermometer is a mental phenomenon. This is like arguing that dream fire is objective because you can conduct dream scientific experiments on it. My question to all of you who accept an "objective" world outside of consciousness: have you ever seen it?

When you find yourself in a dream universe, it does seem like it has always existed. But when you wake up and realize it was just a dream, you know better. Then you realize that entire universe was just a dream and hasn't existed as anything more than mind's emanation. It shows how mind can make something like the universe in the blink of an eye, complete with its past and all kinds of interesting and very believable characters in it. You wish. You are the center of your own universe. Just try to step aside. Ah, there you are, at the center again. Try to step away from the center. The best you can do is imagine the center to be outside of yourself, but that's nothing more than imagination. The truth of your being is always there with you. No matter where you go, there you are. You are one center you can count on. You can't count on Florida or New York being where you are, but you can always count on yourself being where you are, whatever it is you are at the time, there you are. And you cannot run away from yourself. And you cannot step aside even. You can't even more 1 inch to the left.

I never attempt to do any such foolhardy activities. I rarely dream but when I do the universe seems to have existed prior to my dreaming. Same goes for prior to my birth, it already existed before I was born. Seems that I have had absolutely nothing to do with the existence of the universe. Once again I will remind everyone that the tree exists whether or not I see it. Sorry, but you, I, and everyone else is not the center of the universe. We had nothing to do with its existence. Peace & Love!

For me when i started reading Tao Te King I would basically read it, maby ponder on it in different ways but I always seemed to try to apply it to past experiences. That's what helped me mainly at first. You could try understanding them in lucid dreams, I'v only had one lucid dream and am starting to work on them again but they are superposed to be good for problem solving and what not because when you are dreaming your conditioned logic is thrown out the window. If you smoke bud , that helped me one night(think most people on the forum would disagree tho). Believe the tao talks about everyone having their own path, try to stay open to yours. Maby your over thinking it? Like they said simplicity is good. anyways heres some links you may find interesting http://www.weiwuwei.8k.com/ http://www.nonduality.com/asmi.htm Iv kinda merged Taoism with them. and this is the Tao translation that i use and is suposed to be pretty accurate http://home.pages.at/onkellotus/TTK/English_Feng_TTK.html

Maybe this shows how materialistic I can get, but this one point seals the advantage to me, together with the veggie meals. If it's that much cheaper, then there is no doubt it's worth it. I had no idea Goenka retreat was free. I thought there was at least a nominal cost. I think that point alone would seal the deal. Back in my e-sangha days, I've heard mixed reviews from Goenka retreats. However, most complaints centered around the, what some people perceived to be, cult-like and hypnotic figure of Goenka himself. I haven't heard of any complaints as far as the community or meals or the environment go. Plus, many people just plain liked Goenka. This peace of mind is worth something. A lot of this stuff is dependent on the level of interest, the firmness of resolve, and intent (three ways to say the same thing). If your level of interest is very high, there is little or no chance you'll get distracted and there is no need for a structured environment. On the other hand, if your level of interest is flagging, a structured environment will help some and may even boost your interest to the point where later on you could be in a retreat mindset no matter where you were. For example, dream yoga. I know anyone who sleeps can practice dream yoga. So only the firmness of resolve is necessary for this practice. As far as formal walking, standing, sitting, lying down meditations go, I agree this might be a little awkward if your family is not already habituated to such things. This is why I would never keep some things like meditation a secret. What if some day I want to meditate in front of my wife or friends? If I made sure to keep my spiritual life a secret, then I might be in an awkward situation later on. This is why all my family and friends know about such things, so that if I ever do them, there is no surprise.

Actually telepathy and telekinesis are under-rated in the West. The terms are bandied about but the actual skill is very rare. Sure there are "synchronicities" and there's "intuition." I mean I regularly get thoughts of events which occur to me a few minutes before they happen in real time. That might be considered precognition. But once I had a dream which was so vivid I immediately wrote it down in detail while writing I thought it would predict the future. Sure enough, long after I forgot the dream, THREE YEARS LATER -- the dream came true in minute detail -- and such strange associations there's no way it was a coincidence. Anyway real telepathy -- at a stabilized level -- only happens where there's very strong electromagnetic fields emanating from the middle of the brain -- the pineal gland. So when you have telepathy you exist within this field of energy which is really strong. People around you will be reacting strongly to your energy -- there's no way you can have this without making people be strongly affected -- because the electromagnetic fields are healing as well. I had telepathy and telekinesis after I did the 8 day fast taking only half a glass of water. Precognition is a samadhi vision -- so if you have a dream that is more real than being awake and then a few days later the dream is experienced in "real time" while being awake -- I call this "Glitches in the Matrix." It's a freaky experience because you realize that being awake is actually just another dream state. Still it takes practice to know when it has happened in real time -- when you've had a vision of the future. Even if you don't know that it will happen in the future when it DOES happen then it's not new so you can react much more calmly. Pretty nice. So the vision can be in deep meditation or in an visionary dream. The question is -- why does it happen? Is our life predetermined? How could minute details of our life be predicted three years in advance? The answer is that the ability to have precognition -- to travel in time into the future -- is based on the ability to delve very very deeply into our subconscious desires. Think of it in reverse -- it's easy to see how we've grown or learned from the past -- how something happened that we didn't understand and then only later we figured it out. So we've changed but in fact our future was SUBCONSCIOUSLY the means to solve our past. So in meditation we are solving our future -- ahead of time so to speak. It doesn't mean our future will be different necessarily but it does mean that when the future does happen it will have "double" impact -- it will reinforce the fact that the truth is neither the past nor the future, rather instead the "always already" -- the infinite consciousness beyond time.

This is just a loose thought, but I think for many people nocturnal emissions is a difficult stumbling block, because of our lack of awareness during the dream states. I think that a good practice is to first, start a dream journal, and record your dreams every morning first thing. Then when you have obtained the ability to always recall your dreams (shouldn't take longer than a few weeks) then you can move on to building awareness inside the dream state. Cultivate a habit of questioning yourself about whether you are in a dream or not during your waking life and once you have that as a natural habit, you can carry it over into the dream states. That way, you can control your sexual arousal while you sleep. Once you have this mastered, nocturnal emissions should be less of a difficulty. You can also record your successes and keep track of your dreams, which is rewarding in and of itself. Then when you make that strong determination to retain your vital fluid for the hundred day period, you will already have the tools in place to combat it in sleeping, as well as in the waking states.

This is very similar to how I used to be recently. And sometimes I still fall into that mode, although it is very unlikely. These are just my reflections. Take them for what they are. There is some waiting. Waiting is good. This is because what you allow to come to you from the depths of your heart and mind is not easy or simple. A baby takes 9 months in the womb before it comes out. But don't think of this as a unique or final event, as in, you'll emerge from your waiting with a new vision, and you're done with waiting forever. It's not like that. Nothing is necessarily forever, although cycles or phases can be arbitrarily long. These can happen from time to time. So it's important not to burden the mind with the idea that something momentous and final will come to you. Instead the mind should be relaxed and open and not too overly burdened by anticipations of any kind (at least, not beyond what is easy and natural to anticipate). So in this waiting, slowly, a new vision of life will emerge. That's what happened with me. I know what I live for. My values are changing. It's not just insights. Insights take time to digest. Go over your insights 10,000 times. Even if you know it already, just looking at it again and again is good. First, it can open new angles you've overlooked. Second, it reinforces a certain way of thinking. This is habit formation. Habits are bad things that lock us up in prison, but they are also good things that liberate us. Run away habits are bad. Conscious and careful habits are good. For me it's become clear what kind of life I want. But it is distant as of yet. To make my vision a reality I have a lot more softening up of my mind to do. I'm in it for the long haul. This is not a sprint. This is a 10 billion year long marathon, or longer. This doesn't mean I'm a slow poke. It just means this is something that's ongoing. It also means I don't look forward to quitting anything. Because my practice is not a burden. Because it's not a chore. It's not formal. It's fun and joy because it's what I make it to be. It is who I am. Because of this, I am well position for a 10 billion year run. In other words, when the idea comes up that I might need to be in my current condition for 10 more billion years, that idea is no longer scary or intolerable. My mind is not easily disturbed if my vision is not one of instant gratification. So every day I enjoy the flavor of my being. I reflect that all is mind. I enjoy this every day. I know this every second of every day. I know it when I eat and when I play games. I know it when I sleep too. I even have fun when I am not having any fun. This is hard to explain, but it's true. That's because my being has many layers now. I am not a simple wave anymore. I am some depth of the ocean if not the entire ocean now. For me it's possible to have one thing happening on the surface and another thing happening at depth, without contradiction. So this is how I take it day by day. Maybe you're like me? If so, maybe you'll find something useful in what I am saying. Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.

I'm with Scereneblue and Drew in suggesting other ways. For energetic reasons I could not do the breath observing meditation for a year and a half. I got into mantras (silent in head ).Vajrayogini practise, is where you have a pretty long mantra and you can (try) also visualize a very interesting red naked woman as per the photos. Theres more instructions out there in google-land, although its supposed to be secret high tantra. A very interesting thing happened this morning, is I became lucid in a dream and decided to do this practise, like the monks do. My mantra voice changed to a kind of female echoey radio voice, and I became aware of my body, which was kind of a gelatinous snakey thingy in space, meanwhile I was trying to change myself into Vajrayogini, with little dream partial images , sort of like a crappy reception on sattelite tv, trying to get there. But I just ended up tying myself into a knot of sorts, like a kind of retarded eel. Ha ha. What Im saying is, it can be more fun than video games. Well, if you've meditated yourself into a lucid dream then you should stick with whatever you were doing to see if it can happen again. BIG LESSON there, do what works, man, not necessarily what they tell you. Like the Woody Allen movie, "whatever works". Its the way your body teaches you, more efficient than having an external teacher. If your mind is too active, well, what I do is switch temporarily to one pointed focus (like the big toe example or 3rd eye), or mantra (my failsafe) I dont hear people talk about switching, but if somethings not getting me down there fast enough because Im thinking about stuff, why not switch. If you have nothing to switch to because you suck, then you had better get good at a few other kinds:)

Do you understand the meaning of actions? If yes, your question is gone. If not, you're wasting time probing sound, when you need to focus your energies in a more higher order way. Namely, instead of investigating the meaning of some sound, investigate the meaning of any action. This will give you the keys to all actions, including sounds, but not limited to them. On the other hand, if you make your thinking very concrete, and limit it to one sound, you'll just be wallowing in your belief networks without understanding what's going on. You'll be caught in your own dream, without knowing that it is a dream and without learning how to dream. For example, what causes disease? Next time you get a flu, contemplate it. If you never get sick, you should get sick on purpose, so that you can contemplate sickness. Once you understand sickness you'll begin to understand healing too. When you understand healing at a high level, you can understand all forms of healing naturally. On the other hand, if you apply some technique in a detail oriented way, you'll never understand anything. One more example. If I give you a recipe for soup, and you follow my recipe to a T, you'll never become a chef. Even if follow 10000 recipes, you still do not OWN the cooking processes. You don't own the meaning of food processing. You don't own flavors. You don't own flavor combination vision. A real chef own all of the above. This is why a real chef doesn't worry about recipes. Instead one focuses on higher order concerns: what does heat treatment do to ingredients? What does smoke do to them? What does moisture or dryness do? What flavors are there? How do these flavors combine? What happens to nutritional value during processing? Once you understand this, you can make your own recipe and you can alter anyone's recipe in a competent manner. You'll own cooking. If you follow a recipe you rent cooking. Rent a place to live or build a place to live to own it. See the difference? I'm saying all this assuming you're wise. But if you're a fool I've wasted my time.

Thank you for a very good post MH! "Within that Mind which is Formless, all activities are displayed, and all phenomena appear and disappear like a dream, yet man chooses to see all things as having formation, as if real! How marvelous is that! If the Mind is formless, how are things that are perceived by this same Mind appear to exist as if they are solid and graspable? It is precisely because the Mind is formless that things appear to be solid and graspable, for it is only the Mind that is Empty that all forms are held, and yet, simultaneously, like an empty cinema screen, nothing is held. All forms are therefore viewed as insubstantial, projected from nowhere but the Mind, and return, empty, to nowhere but the Mind, including that which we call the Self." A reflection from the Heart Sutra: "Here, Sariputra, form is emptiness, and in the very emptiness, there is form. Emptiness does not differ from form, and form does not differ from emptiness; whatever is with form, there is emptiness, and whatever is with emptiness, there is form - the same is true of feelings, perceptions, impulses and consciousness. Here, Sariputra, all arisings are marked with emptiness; they are neither formed nor unformed, not defiled or immaculate, not deficient or complete." Just some passing thoughts on Formlessness that came up when i read this post. All the best!

snakes are an ancient symbol of kundalini...when people are going through an awakening they often dream about snakes. I did constantly. Always being bitten by hundreds if not thousands of snakes. Walking into to rooms that were wall to wall snakes. I used to be repulsed and terrified and then I just let them bite me at will. They would often bit a hole and drill into my body.

He did. I had to laugh seeing a recent picture of him in full lotus--made me think of Drew. I'm glad I came back to read TaoMeow's response. I was having trouble with the silence thing anyhow! Spent my time instead reading about the healthcare bill and getting angry at Joe Lieberman, so it wasn't really a break from thinking with the left brain. So this third thing, this Jade Stalk Talk--no, that's not my path at all. That is the path of the planet Pluto, and I have Pluto's match Eris in my first house. Eris is the planet of blinding light, not secret transformation. I was not depleted in the slightest by orgasming on television. My vaginal orgasms generate energy and having them in the light doesn't impair them in the slightest. It's not something I particularly enjoy--I'm not an exhibitionist, although I've certainly been called one enough times. I did it for teaching purposes only, same as posting in this thread. Now that I have been released, I will confess I am very curious. This whole thing with the Shakti device and seeing the Men Who Stare At Goats documentary and movie makes me want to find out more, a scientific exploration of what exactly this ability brings to the real world. Half of me has been convinced it was just my sexual fantasies and had no effect on other people, but now I'm shaken. I don't know what I believe anymore, although I do know how incredibly pleasurable it feels. I now want to look this gift horse in the mouth. Can I send heart energy from a distance? Can I test it? Can I take sexual energy from a distance? I am tired of being in the shadows, I want to know in sunlight if this is real outside the confines of my body, or if it is just that it feels incredibly real--like a really horny guy convincing himself, "Oh, she's so into me." Am I tricking myself because of my high libido? I want a man who is not in a serious relationship or married, someone over forty, someone with an open heart, someone who can easily have prostate orgasms (because otherwise it would be boring), someone who is both respectful and openminded. I'm not saying I want to date, although I'm of course willing to, I'm just damn curious! I want to try this and get honest feedback--that would be a refreshing change. I want words, I want emails. I want to be able to ask--did you have an erotic dream this morning? I know I can do what I do skin against skin--I want to know if I can do it at a distance. I want to KNOW! I don't want to be like Drew not really sure if he did or did not give women orgasms at a distance, I want to do it, ask and verify. I'm glad I got that off my chest. To sum up, I don't want to pussyfoot around with Crimson Palaces and innunendo--I want to KNOW--did you have an orgasm! Yes or no, black and white, can I do this or not! And I don't want to feel guilty about it anymore. I want someone who can unequivocally declare--yes, I want a succubus. Of course totally wrong forum for all this, with all the men practicing retention.

All paths based on doing are erroneous. For example, making energy rise up is in error. Making it go down is in error. Purposefully abstaining from involvement is a form of doing, thus is also in error. Basically all forms of manipulation, positive (purposeful involvement) and negative (purposeful non-involvement) are in error. Why? Because the intention behind all positive and negative manipulation is to enact some kind of desired final state. The problem lies in the belief that there is such a thing as a "final state". As long as you believe it, you'll always try to attain it and your life will be one of laborious difficulty and ignorance. You'll fall prey to cults, to various money grabbing gurus, become a sex slave, or worse. In the best case scenario you'll just waste your time feeling unfulfilled, chasing the next big dream. This kind of scheming and plotting mindset has been pointed out as an error by Taoists like Chuang Tzu. Of course no one gives a rats ass about that, because Chuang Tzu is not a kundalini or chi guy, so he's not in style now.

Very Nice post Terry. Thank you much for sharing. I have heard that there are 4 levels to GM Doo Wai's Iron Palm training. 1. Break coconut on the ground. 2. Break coconut hanging from a line/string. 3. Break coconut with it sitting on a piece of Tofu without damaging the tofu. 4. Break coconut from a distance. Is this accurate? I am so happy you have had the opportunity of being involved in these systems. It has been my dream. Unfortunately I have wasted much time due to my own fault of listening to someone's advice. Someone who wanted to control the flow of cash into his pockets rather than giving clear, honest advice and direction. Best regards and wishes. Bill

Never liked castenada, tried the psychotropic enlightenment for a while, but found it's just a front for sensory attachment, quite like eating full-grain cookies and watching Michael Moore movies. In a lucid state it's all up to you how you want to percieve the message, you just gotta let go and communicate with it. I believe all information comes through the subconscious, just like water passes through the bottom of a well before reaching the surface. Doesn't matter where it comes from, but it needs an entrypoint, and the ego-states likely sort that shit away like last weeks's underwear. You're right, though, it's pointless argumenting which is what. On a tangent, recent dream-related research is implicating that the use of dreams is to attach emotion and emphasis to knowledge, since we seemingly don't gain any such attachment to what we learn while we are awake. Dreams then repeat what we've learned during the day in a symbolical manner, often exaggerating the incident, and create an emotional inclination for the set of knowledge aqcuired. Don't remember the name of the researcher/project, but it seemed like interesting stuff.

I think it's great that in that state I can learn instead of just chasing women ....... there's no guarantee I can catch them in my dream either! At least with a book I get something I don't think it is just subconscious information trying to break through, although I understand what your saying, dreams too, often have that element. The books have a distinct character all of their own and you can feel the writers mind coming through it. I do agree the subconscious has a great deal of information to offer though..... but I really don't think everything can or necessarily should be reduced to that. I will say though that's pretty interesting that you can give the information another form, and I can see why you view it therefore as the subconscious. I certainly couldn't prove you wrong, and I guess at the end of the day it only matters that it's useful, no matter what the source. The best part is it was for free right Can you remember what the information was about? Or, like me just the broad subject matter A7? I don't know what you all think, but in my own view I take it as the other/inner part of me doing its own thing. I believe that inner me/you has a life all of its own, existing within dimensions/areas where many things exist, some earthly, some not. It seems to have a life all of its own. Take this example I think almost all of us have had. You're in a 'dream'(which to be honest some of I think is the inner you doing the rounds and parts of the experience filtering back to your 'in body' consciousness)and you're talking to a good friend/s that you have known for years, with all the feelings and recognition that comes with that knowing........yet when you wake you think...'who the bloody hell was that!', the fact is you don't know them, but that part of you clearly does, after a very short while you will forget the face too, although you know for sure you have never met them or know them 'here'. I know it could be said that maybe it's the subconscious and of course you feel recognition because of course the subconscious recognizes aspects of its self, and maybe is trying to show you that for some reason, sometimes I do think that's true, but not always in my view. Not everything is Jungian psychology, and it should be remembered Jung drew heavily from many ancient cultures and systems and tried/made a point of presenting it to the scientific community in a way acceptable to them. Personally, I think Jung kept a lot back, stuff he knew would be a big push for people in general and would call the rest of his work into question. Having said that he definitely pushed the boundaries, especially when he started dealing with synchronicity, that really seems to split the psychology community, one side simply saying it's a psychological effect of cognition, the human mind wishing to group things together, Jung thought otherwise, I'm inclined to agree with him.

UTI - you apparently are an acquaintance of Carlos and don Juan's? Yes, it is a lucid dream - is this a situation where I could could focus on something in particular? Better yet, I suppose, to try and withhold that moment of recognition of the form. It's so nice to know you're here. Manitou

And me. I have read through pages and pages of ancient texts in dream and semi-dream states.

Good idea, but since I don't want new students, and since I have time to kill the best I can do is point out where I see a problem, and there are LOTS of BIG problems in the chi kung industry, and some of them seem to settle here. There are plenty of people here who offer classes that I deem to be very good, but they aren't constantly pushing it, are they? Besides, it's a little game of push hands, Santi gave me some crap so I gave him some back, that is all. Ask Becker. Dream on, oil and water don'tmix. I saw a list on another thread somewhere but haven't been able to find it. I recognized three or more things in common I think, but the only ones I can remember now are the inner smile and the MCO. If he doesn't teach a lot of Chia's stuff then that is good, but the way Chia teaches the MCO and inner smile is just superficial, backwards, hard style vs soft (Taoist) potentially dangerous (if someone says it's dangerous because it's powerful that is a lie), and generally goes under the classification of wimpy chi kung. So the fact that he even teaches that much is not good ... and in long distance 'seminars' ... please.

An informal writeup Playing around with the spirit last night I was mixing two chord singing and dijeridoo breath techniques. Circular breathing without the instrament In through the nose and out through the mouth while maintaining a stead stream of sound. Circular breathing is a musicians technique for woodwind and brass instruments but carries over into the use of dijeridoos. I was seated in a lotus asana got the breath going by humming Uluru(oo loo roo). the lower humm was in the throat the better the sounds became. After awhile I was mixing uluru with rulu rulu....rulu rulu is a mantric seed from bardo thosdrol. Next I started to visualize Uluru and shamans from the outback doing their dance around the fires. Most of the shamans I saw last night were in black with white dots and stripes. I don't know from what tribe or what ritual they were doing. Things got pretty good started to hear bull roarers and a couple other dijeridoos.. might have heard a frisky dingo in the background as well telling a wallaby up from down. Stayed seated for about an hour and went to bed with the music still going. Had a most vivid dream here in Taos. Very vivid colors early dawn into the morning. The moon is full and in a cluster with Venus, Jupiter, and Mercury.

my husband just got done reading opening the dragon gate, i am about to start it. in one of the last chapters, the author does say that wang liping just finished writing a book on women's practices (opening the dragon gate was written in 1996 i believe) but says that it has not yet been published. so the book has already been written, it is just not printed apparently. i would love, love, love to read this book. better yet, i would love to one day have an opportunity to study with master wang liping someday... a girl can dream..

Just wanted to pipe in and vouch for Santi's abilities and kindness. I had a problem with leaking energy and few other concerns I let him know via Facebook and he asked me to give him a call so we can chat. Called him up let him know what's troubling me, he then scanned me gave me a quick healing and list of things to carry out until I was feeling better. After that day he sent me healing everyday for like 2 weeks and sent some shaktipat one night which scared the crap outta me haha. It was 1am and I was sleeping and dreaming and in my dream I stopped what I was doing since I didn't feel right right away I woke up and felt like I was getting electrocuted although not painful but something was definitely going on. I actually thought it was some entity stealing my energy since I could feel certain sections of my body which corresponded with each chakra getting this same feeling, this went on from 1am to I think 7am. Seriously how many people do you know that would get up at 3am their time and send energy for 6 hours straight to a complete stranger and ask nothing in return for it? Although I do try to donate whenever him and susan hold shaktipats since their taking time away from themselves and their family's in order to help others out. If your thinking about taking kap do it but remember if your having trouble with something just ask even if you think it's stupid because he isn't there to read your mind about all of your concerns you gotta speak up let him know the problem and he'll be more than happy to help out anyway he can least that's my experience. And another thing everyone has been brought up differently and in different regions so we all have different ways of talking. For me I can go up to my friends and say hey f*ck face whats up? to us that's a friendly greeting now if I were to say that to someone else I don't know in person they'd more than likely shit bricks over it and think I'm being a dick. Hard to talk about things online since we have no idea how the other persons mood is when posting or what their tone is so if we're pissed off at something having a bad day and we read a post from another member we can sometimes mistake what their saying as being rude etc. When me and my girl argue she tends to be sarcastic so when I'm speaking calm to her online she tends to think I'm doing the same thing to her when I'm not If you know Santi then you know he's a happy guy, the dudes always laughing bought something in skype class:) Sorry if this post was repeating things others have said or me repeating myself I honestly only read a few posts in the beginning of this thread and wanted to chime in.