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In the Toltec you purify the Tonal through Recapitulation, while you work on the Nagual through dream work I think until both sides are ready to merge, how you then merge i'm not sure, I have only heard of analogies like jumping into the abyss

Realistic is the right word- the ability to think with all possibilities. Become a human first before thinking becoming a immortal. Before getting paranormal you have to to be normal. One has to be highly sceptic and also optimistic as the time.You have to be able to hold the darkness without having it spread into you. Well it is wise to start early here as the younger you are you can have it easier to refill your resource (read the longmenpai.blogspot waht Ken post). But the special case here which make this lineage interesting is the group Dai Gong. Without it we can dream about ever come very far. And you must see it as a postiv thing that even old people get the MCO open with this help. When you say "The wise who seek to go far don't wait until they are depleted to start the path" do you not discourage elder people 60+ who now have their income to do the seminar, the calm mind and the great interest to cultivate. See how damaging this sentence can be. They may think that it is to late for them to cultivate and recover -which is exactly what the Yin Xin Fa do -with GM Wang and it would be sorry for GM Wang Liping when exactly this people may have some who are promising to achieve feats that many young one not can, because they feel inferior to the young ones and think they are even to old to cultivate. What do you think the parentsfrom Wang Liping are , they are old and they cultivate! Isnt it wonderful? Grandmaster,when? When I can sit two hours in full lotus. I want have the full results and not the results in half lotus or cross legged sitting. Maybe 1 or two years, I am daily on this, slowly because there is no haste in full lotus cultivation and I not do full Lotus endurance training. But I want ask for peace and best getting on an other thread since we now getting a bit away from the topic. Since it just start with presenting the Dates for Cultivation with Grandmaster Wang Liping Private Intensive April 20 - 29, 2011 and now go again like many post us two Taozhen about negativ thinking, karma and money issuess. Hey and I really like to see more tolerance for the people when it comes to greater money investing since doubting is common sense. Q

When i was a child ive had dreams of spirit guides. I had very visual and elaborate daydreams when i was younger too. I think as the wheels of karma slow down and eventually stop our psyches become stronger and capable of surviving in the dream world. Its sort of like learning to breath underwater. I havent heard of ingo swann but ill look him up. thanks

Hi freeform! Thanks for your great reply! I begrudgingly do agree with you about Jacque Fresco. He does live within the concepts he has created by his mind. It is an amazing world he has envisioned. Unfortunately as you very well stated, the future and the future technological advancements will dictate what manifestation the future society will become. We can only very poorly predict what will come to pass as far as technologies influence on the future earth society. I do respect his fearlessness in having such a dream of the future. What are your thoughts freeform on the technological "singularity"? Do you think it will happen? Yes I know.... we can never accurately predict what the future will bring, but what are your thoughts anyway? Peace!

This began for me during the process of the fusion of the 5 elements. After that psychic and spiritual symbols began flooding my dream experience. The lucidity has slowly increased since that time.

if you relax and silence enough you can enter the trance state. This is a state characterized by theta brain waves, heightened dmt presence in the brain, and a dream like quality of awareness. Meditation combined with yoga, qigong, and self-hypnosis, is the easiest way to get there. Once your there you will want to make an anchor to get back (nlp technique) Its a great place to explore the deeper more subtle layers of awareness.

more subtle awareness is a good thing ; ). nice idea on this thread. i will try and get out and about soon. what are your ideas about friends that had the same dream on the same night? or when someone was awakened in the middle of the night by a voice and then the next morning they met the person who matched the voice?

This is something i've thought about many times, often while high. Sometimes it freaks me out to think about it, but at times it seems so obvious. Basically that the world is describing me. I don't mean like me personally but I mean our true self. The tao. The ultimate. The everything. What some call God. The more you realize your "self" as you know it is an illusion, and try to better understand reality as it truly is, you begin to relate to the world more and more. You may not realize it, but the reason this happens is because you're becoming more and more in touch with who you really are. Understanding that you are the ultimate leads to absolute bliss. Just believe in yourself and know that this moment is perfect. And then it will be. It also explains what's been going on with my dreams. Idk if you guys believe in this stuff, but a spirit and/or my higher self has been trying to contact me through my dreams. It's been wonderful. Anyways, in one of my recent dreams a dream character that looked like my mom kept telling me how I had expanded and stuff. I had never heard of it as expanding. But that also ties in and explains why I feel one with everything, i've expanded.

Thank you for that quote, I found it timely. I wouldn't trust Fr(e)aud as far as I could throw him, nor his daughter, and i sometimes i wonder about Buddhists too. When I wonder about Buddhists, something inside me is scared, scared of what would happen if I stood up and said that I very much doubt their teachings are ultimately in people's best interests. Scared like a very small child would be if she stood up to her father or mother and expressed concern about something not being right. She would be punished for it. So buddhism seems to promote the same fear of authority in me that I experienced long ago. A resonance. Buddhism would say (as far as I know about the teachings) that this fear is stemming from my ego's desire to continue to exist and should be eliminated. If I take your wording. "Something in me desires to continue to exist" well, that clears that problem up pretty nicely :-) Thanks! And if I take it on the other side, Buddhism would teach me that I should kill the thing in me that desires to continue to exist. Huh, like I said, something's wrong there. Anyhoo, besides that, buddhism is a fire practice. And what does fire do? Burns up wood. I'm a water person and I promote the good of wood Empty cup Edited to add: Blowing the Whistle, Chpt. 1: The Hidden Agenda of Mantra Meditation This is the first chapter in an evolving book, “Blowing the Whistle on Enlightenment: Confessions of a New Age Heretic,” by Bronte Baxter What I expected to see when I came back to the Fairfield scene after 20 years away from Transcendental Meditation was a group of mainstay meditators true-blue to Maharishi and a group of robust dissenters, whose minds questioned everything they learned from their guru days. Instead, I found the true-blue meditators, but not the kind of dissenters I anticipated. I encountered people who had left the TM movement but hadn’t substantially changed their belief system. This latter group had changed in the way that people change hats, or redecorate their homes, leaving unaltered the structure underneath. The dissenters had splintered into a myriad of Eastern or Eastern-related philosophies: Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Andrew Cohen were popular, and Neo-Advaitin gurus had rallied many behind their minimalist philosophy. “Saints” like Ammachi visit Fairfield regularly, dispensing dharshan and picking up new recruits. Across town, small groups meet in “satsangs” to discuss their growing enlightenment or to chant songs to the gods. Heated debate is common between adherents of competing gurus, and people grow vitriolic over whether Maharishi has slept with young women or not. There is a smattering of hedonists and atheists, but ex-TMers in the Fairfield circuit mostly show up with an intact Vedic worldview. That worldview is a lens through which they perceive and measure all gurus and reality itself. I find this disturbing. It’s rather like people who’ve been swindled by a con man, despising him for how they were treated while they continue to invest money in the enterprise he sold them on. Why doesn’t the skepticism extend beyond the procurer, to that which he procured for? And what did Maharishi procure for? The Vedic gods. He sold us a meaningless word that was supposed to guide our minds to transcend superficial consciousness. Later we learned those meaningless words, our mantras, were names of deities. He taught us advanced techniques with the Sanskrit word “namah” at their core: “I bow down.” Mantra meditation is a form of paying worship to those who call themselves gods. When you scrape away all the fancy and misleading explanations – like “meaningless sounds” and “impulses of creative intelligence,” what you get very simply is people with their eyes closed bowing down in their minds to an assigned Hindu deity. Of course we can explain this away using TM explanations, much like the townsfolk explained away the emperor’s nakedness using the reasoning they were fed by the tricksters who paraded him through the town. But the emperor has no clothes. Mantras worship the gods. “Namah” means “bow down.” It’s right there on the surface for anyone to see if we toss out the excuses we were handed and look at the situation with even a shred of unbiased observation. Who are these gods, that we’re so willing to explain away as “impulses of our own consciousness”? The same gods have appeared in other religions and cultures, even in societies that had no contact with each other. They go by different names, but the entities are the same. In Hinduism, you have Indra, god of thunder, ruler of the gods, married to Indrani, queen of the gods, known for her jealousy. In Greek mythology, you have Zeus, god of thunder, ruler of the gods, married to Hera, queen of the gods, known for her jealousy. One-to-one correspondence like this is common. The gods are a global phenomenon, with their imprints on every society. Historically, the gods exacted worship and sacrifice – blood sacrifice commonly, including the murder of humans. While Hinduism has a history of human sacrifice, it has been reduced today to worship of Kali, the goddess with her bloody tongue hanging out, whose body is adorned with a necklace of bleeding, decapitated human heads. Or Shiva, adorned with serpents, who dances on graves. Or Vishnu, whom Arjuna perceived in His cosmic form with pieces of devoured victims’ flesh sticking between his teeth. Gods feed on the energy of suffering, the fearful energy of the victim. In one South American sacrificial ritual, a bull has his throat slit, as slowly as possible. The reasoning given is that the gods cherish “live blood” as the blood with the greatest energy, so the animal must be kept alive while the blood drips from its body. In other words, the greater the fear and suffering of the sacrificial beast, the greater is the pleasure of the gods. The Shrimad-Bhagavatum, among other scriptures, explains the antipathy of the gods for human enlightenment. According to the Vedas and the mythology of other cultures, the gods feel threatened by the human race, afraid mankind might grow as powerful as they. The gods want humans to remain ignorant and “inferior” because if man realized his intrinsic nature as consciousness, he would no longer be subject to deva control. The devas wish us to believe, and have told us throughout scripture, that their divine hands manipulate and guide the laws of nature – creation itself. For this reason we should worship them, chant to them, send them our soma (subtle energy generated in meditation). Because our energy feeds the gods and is needed by them to stay strong and in control of this material dimension. And they wish us to believe that their control is in our best interest. Who would make the rains come or the sun shine if the gods are rightful stewards of those things and we humans didn’t support them? All creation would crumble without the blessing of the gods. That, scriptures tell us, is why we should worship, which is equivalent to paying an energy-tithe. It’s the same reasoning human warlords use against the people they dominate: pay your tax, because you need us; we will protect you. Don’t pay the tax, and we will punish you. The gods threaten to punish, even destroy mankind if he doesn’t bend before their yoke and serve them. They fulfilled that threat in the Great Flood (a story which appears in disparate cultures) and in other visitations of divine vengeance recorded in countless tales throughout cultural history. But really, who are these characters? And do they really exist? The modern mind relegates “gods” to the overactive imaginations of pre-civilized peoples, and in so doing, dismisses the concept. But actually, deities appear in highly civilized early societies, including Sumeria, Babylon, Greece and Egypt. Isn’t it ethnocentric of us to suggest that civilizations capable of constructing the pyramids or accurately charting the course of the stars for centuries into the future, should be dismissed as childlike and ignorant when they write of their experiences with other-worldly beings? Archeologist Zechariah Sitchen, in his voluminous tomes, details the countless references in ancient writings and artifacts to beings who visited this world in fiery flying ships, who taught mankind, interbred with humans, and set up a government of divine-right kingship. Visiting beings who called themselves gods. Kings were considered “sons of the gods,” connected to the deities by bloodline, hence their right to rule. In the Mahabharata, Arjuna’s mother was said to conceive her numerous sons by intercourse with several different deities. The first chapter of Genesis speaks of the Nefelim, a giant race that interbred with early humans. In Egypt, the pharaohs were literally “sons of the gods.” We find stories of gods interbreeding with humans to create a kingly line in Zulu shamanism and in South American Indian lore. Time and again, in culture after culture, the gods appear doing the same things, demanding the same things. Even Christianity springs from a pantheistic tradition: Jehovah was one god among many for the Hebrews. A self-righteous fellow fond of war and genocide, he had to compete with the other local gods for the Hebrews’allegiance. Today, having beat out the competition, revered as “God” by his followers, Jehovah garners the worship not just of Jews but Protestants and Catholics as well. How foolish and arrogant is it to laugh off the existence of a race of beings who appear in the annals of every civilization? I was amazed to see ex-TMers, who spent years feeding soma to devas through chants and mantras, whose walls are still plastered with pictures of Lakshmi, Kali and Shiva, dismiss with a toss of their head the idea that gods might exist as real persons. Who, in truth, are the gods, and what do they want from us? Do “deities” sit at the controls of the universe, managing the laws of nature? Beings with such awesome power that our lives are in their hands? Entities we must never challenge at the risk of losing all we hold dear? I suggest, if the gods are innately as powerful as they purport to be, they would not need human worship to survive. They would be self-sufficient, drawing on the Infinite within them for every need. Instead, they tell mankind to bow down and pay tithe, and threaten in the scriptures to destroy us if we don’t. What kind of power is it, that can’t exist without feeding? It sounds more like psychic enslavement to me. Convince the people whose world you contrive to control that they are powerless without you, that the rains won’t come and the sun will go dark if they don’t please you. Drink their soma, the positive energy of worship, and drink their negative energy, too, when you can incite it and siphon it off. Feed yourself on human astral energy, whatever the quality, and you and your race can control human life as long as the system remains intact. Planetary farming. If anyone starts to wake up a little, divert their efforts at spiritual independence by luring them into mantra meditation. Consider this quote by the currently popular guru, Ramana Maharshi: “Repetition aloud of His name is better than praise. Better still is its faint murmur. But the best is repetition within the mind — and that is meditation. Better than such broken thought is its steady and continuous flow like the flow of oil or of a perennial stream.” Ramana Maharshi’s statement represents mantra meditation’s goal: a state where the mind is timelessly identified with surrender to the name of one’s god – identical with the god himself. The mind itself has become self-negation at the feet of the deity. Empty of original thought and dynamic desire, the “liberated” person’s ego is dissolved: the very thing that made him or her human. All that is left is a mind-body shell, a meat-robot, that moves through life as a surrendered instrument of some greater will. I suggest the greater will is not that of the Infinite. It is the will of the god who has taken the place of one’s mind. Does this sound like possession? It surely appears to be. Think of all the gurus you’ve met with their palpable shakti. An energy so real no one who experiences it can deny it. What is that light in their eye, a light beyond this world? Whose is that power they touch you with, embrace you with? Is it the shakti of Brahman, the light of pure consciousness? Or is it the power of Kali or one of her friends? Gurus often say they are the embodiment of Shiva, Kali, or some other god. Why do we not take them at their word? I would like to suggest that mantra meditation turns humans into zombies who serve the agenda of the gods. That agenda is procurement of more humans and more human energy. This explains the common phenomenon of proselytizing by the religious, including fundamentalist Christians, TMers, and disciples of other varieties. Servants of “God” or the gods feel a driving need to bring in more recruits. The god that moves through them fills them with this zeal, as a hungry stomach fills the mind with an overwhelming need to procure dinner. There are no gods, in the sense the gods would have us think of them. No one has been designated by the Infinite to control creation and administer the laws of nature. The sun shines by itself as an entity with its own consciousness. The rain and wind don’t need a god to direct them; they move where they will in harmony with their fellow elements. All things are children of the Infinite, spirits or egos in their own unique right, expressing in physical form and also in astral dimensions. The gods are spirits/egos like everybody else. Most of the time they dwell on astral planes, which is why human senses normally don’t perceive them. According to ancient records, they have visited the earth in ages past in physical forms of their own, as entities from the stars. They are no more divine than a ghost, no more cosmic than you or I, and no more entitled or intended to run the universe than any other gang of warlords might be. Somehow they’ve gained control of this planet, and have held that control at least since the beginning of recorded human history. But that is no reason to think the Infinite wants it that way, or that life needs to continue that way. True empowerment is not the Indian concept of enlightenment. It is knowing what we are and living from there. We are spirit: individual and eternal, moving within the consciousness of That which created, sustains and pervades all life. Knowing this is not difficult. It only requires putting attention on that which is beneath the content of thought. Acting from this place of empowerment is natural: we can ordain reality from that quantum level. Everyone can do it. Everyone is equally powerful moving and creating in the depths of their own consciousness. Unfortunately, people rarely do that, though, as the mass hypnosis that governs human life convinces us that karma, fate or the will of God runs the world, that we as individuals have little direct control over what happens to us. The gods are the purveyors of this global hypnosis. It serves their agenda of control. True liberation does not mean rising above the illusion of ourselves as egos. It means rising above the illusion that as egos we are cut off from the powerhouse of creation. That as individuals we are something less than pure, eternal, powerful spirits – in our own right, very much gods. Gods with a global case of amnesia. The “enlightened” have surrendered their personhood to the deities who control their meditations. Their bliss is the euphoric stupor which their appeased deities grant them as reward. The words, the thoughts, the desires of the enlightened are not their own any longer, but those of their controlling god. The word “zombie” is appropriate because of its meaning as the walking dead. But all is not lost for such people. No one can keep the human soul enslaved against its will. An act of personal empowerment, of willfully recalling one’s ego, must surely destroy enslavement by any possessing entity. One can recall surrendered pieces of one’s being as a magnet can recall iron filings. Native American traditions speak of our ability to do just this, calling back the parts of our lost personhood. When people cease to surrender their energy and spirit to those who call themselves gods, the deceivers will lose their power over this dimension. They will shrink back to “normal size,” entities responsible for themselves like everybody else. Our world will know a freedom, creativity, harmony and joy it has never demonstrated in its history, because interdimensional manipulation will cease. The suffering on this planet, god-inspired and god-feeding, will dwindle and disappear. The need to kill to eat will no longer exist. Sickness, aging and death will have no substructure. Each wonderful created being – animal, human or astral – will thrive on the power of the Infinite source within itself, and victim/tyrant relationships, which ran the planet for eons, will fade into thin air. Living will become what surely the Infinite intended in Its original vision for the universe: a symphony of minds, not a competition; a tapestry of spirits, not a hierarchy; a garden of consciousness, not a painful struggle. When I hear “the enlightened” excuse all the atrocities of this world by saying that in their exalted perception, everything is “perfect” just as it is, I hear “fraud.” The God I perceive in the depths of my being is not a God who is content with fathers raping infants, animals being ripped apart alive, or human sorrow so great only suicide can quell it. This kind of world is not perfect, and anyone who sees it as such has something seriously wrong with them. If the gods were really beneficent and powerful, they would not operate a world that runs like this. When their mouthpieces and procurers tell us this world is just as it should be – that shows you the true nature of the gods. These beings are not our friends, though surely, if there are scoundrels in astral dimensions, there must be virtuous entities there as well. Perhaps the ones who don’t seek lordship over this planet are watching to see if humans take back control of our world or continue to surrender it, piece by piece, to the cosmic band of thugs who want to own it. Will we continue surrendering our governments, media, schools, workplaces, taxes and spirituality to those who would lead us farther away from personal freedom and self-actualization, closer to a world without responsibility, originality or joy? Such a world is the goal of the gods, because it’s more controllable. Their lackeys in the political arena (many – George Bush, for instance – are genetically linked to European royal families and the god-engendered lines of divine-right kings) call this future society the New World Order. Centralized control, humans functioning on autopilot. The death of free will, passion, desire and originality – sounds a lot like enlightenment, doesn’t it. The surrender of the individual to the collective. Control of the collective by divine-right rulers, and control of those rulers by the cosmic band of thugs themselves. The rise of the great Fourth Reich. Who were the mystical entities Hitler conversed with and took guidance from? Why was group meditation a part of Nazi protocol? Why were many TM/ New Age slogans (“established in Being, perform action,” for instance) also slogans of the Third Reich? Total control and spiritual domination. The destruction of everything that makes life worth living. Creation imploding on itself, like a snake swallowing its tail. That actually is a symbol found in mystery schools, which were controlled by the gods. It’s time to give up beads and mantras, chanting and bowing down to dirty feet. It’s time to fire the gurus, stand up and be the powerful, sublime individuals we are. It’s time to question the dogmas we swallowed whole from Vedic tradition and take a closer look at what is happening when we meditate. It’s time to reclaim our birthright, our divinity and this Earth. Only we can do it, as the conscious beings we are. As Alice in Wonderland said, turning and facing the Red Queen’s army that was hot on her heels, “Pooh! You’re nothing but a pack of old cards.” That army toppled, turning into a heap of playing cards the moment the girl broke through her bad dream. Our controllers too will topple, and dragons will turn into geckos. It’s time to give up the cosmic illusion and de-hypnotize. Bronte Baxter © Bronte Baxter 2008 from http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/mantra-meditation-reveals-a-hidden-agenda-are-the-gods-alive-and-well-and-working-towards-the-new-world-order/

It is. That's the kind of sensitivity that we need to be aware of and develop. Still, I find I don't fully 'know' my mind unless I put ink to paper. The act of writing makes me clearer on an issue. Michael Speaking of this, Robert Bruce has a program on Dream Work going on an open program going on, he has a intro to it in the bums, Introduction pages.

I sure believe you when you say journal-ing can take a long time, and the main reason I stopped. Each method has its benefits and drawbacks; direct ones, if they work for you, can be fairly reliable, but at the expense of being rested. For that reason I use it very sparingly. The positive thing I believe is dreams and lucid dream skills should naturally deepen as we continue whatever personal discipline or sadhana we do, not as another thing to grasp or achieve, but as something mirroring the general change of our whole self.

I have spoken to some Taoists who believe that their lives (according to Lao Tzu) are supposed to be very simple and predictable. Live within a small prescribed radius, and no harm will come to you. I don't see it that way at all. How are we to grow, if we are not willing to "expand"? If we are not willing to fall in love, get our hearts broken, chase after a dream, audition for the role, go after the job, face the fear? And it's not like these things go away, when we turn our backs on them; we just become less prepared for when they do happen. What good is all the centering in the world, if we don't ride on that practice, toward living a full and engaged life? Being a wise enlightened man in a cave interests me not at all; that's just "being right". What I find powerful and relevant is engaging with my own limitations, expanding by paying attention to where I make my life small. There's so much to the world! And it never ends! I can accept where am I now, but I cannot stop there. What better purpose for my life, then to live it fully, with sincerity, heart, and a sense of humor?

I usually try to eat nearly all organic food. I drink lots of tea and yerba mate. I use almond milk and am currently considering switching to goats cheese because I'm a capricorn. The foods i eat are cooked lightly so they still have life energy left in them. I practice yoga, and qigong, daily. As susan said it all becomes natural movement. Its more fun to move your hands in circles when you can see and feel the energy that your playing with. In the back of my mind m always doing qigong breathing. Its better to use a small amount of effort doing it right than an immense amount doing it wrong. I like to go outside and watch animals, celestial bodies, trees, and other natural processes. Connect to the gaian mind. This is when i work on my earth chakras (see susans post). I like to go to the chiropractor and get massages. I use hemp seed based massage oil on my body to give my skin lots of good energy. I use a neti pot to keep my sinuses clear. I listen to music and draw lot. Children seem to like me since my awakening so i play with them sometimes. I practice dream yoga. I pray at my alter. I try to become involved in meaningful relationships. Im currently experimenting with a freelove lifestyle. Intuition takes me everywhere. All of these things have helped me get my kundalini running smoothly. They could certainly help most people who wish to have a smoother awakening.

My first two dreams were scrolls; I think one read from top to bottom, the other read from side to side. The most recent dream was definitely a textbook. The thing I find really odd is the absence of connecting words in the text. This may be an indication that they are not laid out in a linear fashion, the words seemed to be merely words unconnected to each other. But the words go by fast! Like speed-reading. I too have had one experience with the 'death in the eyes' thing, but I haven't connected it in any way to the scroll viewings. I went to see a lady, knocked at her door, and when she opened the door her eyes were filled to the brim with blood, and the blood was splashing down her cheeks. I looked away in shock, then looked back at her and her eyes were just fine. But she did die of a stroke the following week. I do not traditionally have this type of vision, so this is definitely unusual for me. I expect that you are K-active as well, Penny? My guess is that all this stuff ties in together in some neat cosmic package, lol.

Let's talk about the benefits first. You can live till at least 70, be treated for a multitude of diseases or problems and survive, drive anywhere, fly anywhere, be able to have this conversation. The cons, yes there are cons. Many are overworked to the point where mindless entertain is the only way to escape. It's certainly a high cost. For those who have the spark, they can go to Amazon and order books that teach them dharma which is then delivered to their door in days. Then they can go and meet with a teacher if they want. Nobody is forced into slavery. You buy into the "American dream" and then put on shackles of debt, but if you live frugally you can have your cake and eat it too. The great thing about today is that we actually have the means to choose. Nobody forces you to focus on material gain. You can go live in Ladakh or Sikkim or Nepal.

Most masters that spend lifetimes serving the masses have a tendency to take on the karmas of those masses. Those without the experience of such sensitivity and transparency might not understand this. ChNNR also teaches physical yoga and at one point was quite the master at it. His body never fully recovered from his Leukemia which was predicted by a mirror divination master from Tibet to be the end of him, and the exact date of his Leukemia was accurately predicted many years prier. But, he did retreat and practiced his Long Life Terma given to him during his lucid dream states by a passed on master and it worked. He also teaches that you'll find it hard to experience Rigpa if you can't even get into the 1st jhana in meditation, so he does recommend that people do Samatha (calm abiding meditation), of which he teaches various techniques. If you meet ChNNR in person, you realize that his inner state is far more important than his physical appearance and his inner state is tremendously powerful and intuitive. If you make the connection, as most people have a tendency to project all their own shit all over clean mirrors like Tulkus.

Yeah, conception to birth is the most crucial time. (I don't usually analyze this period because I'm after practical applicability of the reading to real-life situations and decisions, and this part is of little pragmatic value post factum -- but I do dream of the day when a couple just planning to conceive a child would ask me about the best moment to do it. Traditional bazi readers in China were consulted in this preemptive manner for hundreds if not thousands of years -- which may be one reason why the Chinese are by far the most populous nation on earth today.) In our species, since about the last third of the 20th century, nine out of ten pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion within days of conception (too early for the woman to know, in most cases. Source of info: Encyclopedia Britannica.) This is usually characteristic of a very unwell species and doesn't happen in healthy populations. So this fact alone can illustrate how much is decided long before one can take charge of one's own life -- the life itself, vs. death, for starters. To say nothing of, e.g., little things like your gender. Birth is the next weightiest event -- the transition from one world, a water world with dual controls (self and mom, where too much intervention from extraneous controlling forces will result in self bailing out) to a dry land world with multiple controls (self, mom, dad, doctors, nurses, siblings, the government -- which decides what substances to inject into your bloodstream and how much to tell your mom about what's good for you -- she no longer knows, because her mom was also told by the government officials, and her mom before her). Infancy is the next transition -- from no neocortex to a developed one, i.e. from a "feeling baby" to a "thinking baby." Early childhood, next -- from "thinking baby" to "thinking-twice" child who learns how to feel one thing, think another, and say yet another, in an attempt to please everybody involved (self, mom, dad, the government, etc.). Every step of the way, the role of self is minimal in this process until much later -- when it is much too late. By the time you get any say in it for the first time, you are 95% complete -- of which 40% to 80% is irreversible. You are already the final product when you just start thinking of shaping yourself into something else for the first time. If you're thinking of shaping yourself into something else, that's part of what "the final product" is like: someone not satisfied with how he or she has come out. The imperative toward perfecting oneself is part of the "I'm a work in progress" mentality characteristic of this particular "final product," and can last till the end of one's life -- without having actually changed anything significant about 95% of what you were shaped into to begin with. (The sculpture is not aware of the chisel... or, rather, until the sculpture becomes aware of the chisel, it will never know what it is and how it came to be what it is -- much less change it. Now a sculpture laying its hands on the chisel... that's astrology!) But the stars and moon and sky are earlier still... and therefore they determine things way before, and way ahead, of your "personal decisions," your "genetics," or your "social environment." Of course there's this new age idea that it's all our own doing, that we "choose" our parents, "choose" our circumstances in advance, and are born into this or that set-up as an act of free will. Doesn't account for 9 out of 10 spontaneous abortions of course, but new age paradigms are seldom bothered by facts. Knowing astrology is knowing the mind of tao. The mind of tao is the kind that never forgets. What went before your birth is something it never forgot, never made irrelevant. It knows that if you plant an acorn, you are going to reap an oak tree, not a carrot. And vice versa. Astrology (Chinese, at least -- I don't know much about Western) figures out how to help the carrot grow into a healthy plant, and sometimes it involves irrigation, and at other times, drainage, and so on. It doesn't facilitate ego trips whereby carrots fancy themselves oak trees. Which may be the reason carrots who fancy themselves oak trees don't like it. Or the reason carrots who are happy being carrots all the way like it. Or the reason oak trees hoping to live to their natural lifespan of over a thousand years like the idea of trying to avoid that lightning which can strike them down while they are still very immature and very vulnerable. Let it strike four hundred years later -- but let's figure out how to grow till then so as not to attract it... ...anyway, I'm rambling... over and out.

I average about 1 Lucid Dream per month. Good work, everything. For me, whenever I catch myself day-dreaming, I will just tell myself: "Nick, you're dreaming". The trick is that I'm day-dreaming a lot of the time, and it's not always easy to remember to tell myself that I'm dreaming.

I've discerned four ways people look at astrology... 1. The traditional way. This is based on the conviction that knowledge decreases and not increases in the human society, i.e. that it's only the illusion of an increase of knowledge we're dished out in modern times, not the actuality. The illusion is created and perpetuated by the technology-obsessed overlords so we are conditioned to believe that because we watch TV and talk to recorded voices on answering machines, we are more intelligent and know more about the world than our ancestors who watched the movement of the stars and talked to the gods. The traditionalist doesn't buy it and looks to ancient knowledge for real understanding, ignoring the overlords' and the conditioned masses' opinion. I am in this category vis a vis astrology. I know a guy who has made it a lifelong quest to collect documentation pertaining to Destroyed Libraries -- there's been hundreds of thousands throughout human history -- I'm a bit like him in that I look to knowledge they eliminated on purpose, not to the kind they propagated instead. Astrology related knowledge was being forbidden and destroyed throughout centuries. Possessing taoist astrology books was punishable by death during the rule of several dynasties. To me it always means the best recommendation of the study material anyone can offer. 2. The new age way. This is based on the conviction that knowledge accumulated by humanity is nothing much compared to what I, personally, can accomplish. Astrology may be right and good, but it's minor compared to what I, personally, can do to overrule it. I am so amazing, so wonderful, so superior to everything that went before that there's no reason for me to pay heed to any ancient knowledge -- I can outknow and outperform it all anytime. All you need is love, tralalalala, all you need is love, trululululu, all you need is love, love, love is all you need. Not that they love their neighbor any more than the average Joe does, but they use this (or some such) approach to establish their superiority to anyone bothering with anything in order to understand anything. Why bother? All you need is... fill in the blank... all you need is to be me, or someone singing my tune, and you've arrived. 3. The dismissive stance. The self-proclaimed "scientific method" aficionados, followers of the doctrine of Biomechanical Fundamentalism, have been told it's all bunk, and won't investigate, because the people who told them so hold degrees. They operate on the assumption that the academia somehow generates the truth. That they themselves may be in it for salaries and positions and tenures and sabbaticals and perks, but certain abstract "scientists" are in it for the truth, that they go to college and then do research and studies and so on in order to produce it, not in order to make a living and hopefully a career. These are perhaps the most idealistic people of them all, for they believe that others ("scientists") are better than they themselves are -- more honest, more courageous, more intelligent -- and so they take their word for anything they will declare about astrology and carry the message to the world for free. They are the overlords' dream come true: they police others and themselves for the sanctioned/prescribed knowledge (minus all the burned libraries and all the burned astrologers) to remain the only kind without being prompted any further -- initial conditioning is enough, they will "maintain" for the rest of their lives. 4. The bogus-astrology way. You know, all those "your horoscope for the month of July" columns published in general circulation magazines, and all those dabblers who write books about "your Sun sign" or "your Animal sign" and the countless websites whose source of study is those very books, and all the rest of it. This is not astrology, of course, but 99% of all consumers have been exposed to exactly this kind and told that that's what asrology is. Some bogus-astrology practitioners are in it for the business only and know it (e.g. the ones who write the columns) while others, having learned a lil' bit, feel equipped and empowered to "really" do it and so deceive honestly, i.e. they deceive themselves first and only then the recipient.

from: http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2010/12/you-never-really-own-anything/ This a great eye opener! Please enjoy! ================================= You never really own anything 28 Dec 2010 at 21:06 Ownership. Property. This is mine. This is yours. Do you think you own anything? You don’t. Ownership is an illusion. So is property. Why? Because all the things you use are only used by you temporarily before they are passed on or thrown away. Be it food, clothing, cars, property, furniture, cell phones, air, water. You never say to anyone ‘Don’t breath here! This air is mine!’. Of course not. Air is still free, and no one claims to own it. Water is also in a large degree free, but is becoming more and more privatized. Food, clothing, cars and land has become utterly privatized. Still. You don’t, and never will own anything of it. You use it. You don’t own it. At best, all you can say about ownership is that ‘this is in my possession now and as long as I am using it’. That is the most ‘ownership’ there is. Everything that you ‘own’ is only ‘yours’ temporarily. It is only borrowed or rented. Your food goes into you and comes out again. So does the water. Even your body is on loan. When you die it goes back into the circulation. Ownership is an illusion. Still, it’s an illusion bought by humanity. But it is no more than an agreement that say’s that ‘ok, we will have a system here that gives some the right to claim vast resources of the planet for themselves, while others get nothing’. There’s no ownership in nature. There’s only coexistence, with every part fulfilling their task, and every part being fulfilled in doing so. In a moneyless society and resource based economy this is how we will look at ownership, since this is the only ‘ownership’ there is and ever will be. Having a paper that say’s you own something doesn’t make it more ‘yours’ in the big scheme of things. Whatever you ‘own’ can be lost in the blink of an eye. Today ownership is almost equal to accessibility. The more you own, the more access you have to things in life. The more land you own, the more cars you own, the more houses you own, etc. The problem is that you are only one person and cannot possibly make 100% use of all the things you own. Even if you only own one car and a guitar. You will never be able to use whatever you own all the time. If, however, you didn’t own anything, but had access to virtually everything this planet and humanity can offer, you would ‘own’ more than the richest people on this planet will ever own. I’ll say this again, because this is the most important thing there is to grasp when it comes to concept of non-ownership: If you didn’t own anything, but had access to virtually everything this planet, and humanity, can offer, you would own more than the richest people on this planet will ever own. The whole planet would be yours to use. Of course, this means that all borders and visas would have to go too. In a resource based economy everyone will have access to virtually everything on this planet. Today we think that if this was the case, everyone would rush to the same places and go for the same things, because that is what is seemingly happening today. ‘Everyone’ seem to run after the same things. And sometimes, yes, some things are more popular than others. But we must remember that a lot of this is due to advertising and promotion seeking a certain behavior among the population fulfilling the profit motive of the capitalistic system. One example of a moneyless system in today’s society is the library. Sometimes you have to wait for books to come back, yes, but more than often the books you want to borrow are there for you. If the whole world was like the library, you might have to wait a while going to a certain beach or holiday resort if it was full for the time being. But, there would be lot’s and lot’s of other places to visit in the mean time, just like there would be lot’s of other interesting books to read while you were waiting for the one you wanted. Maybe you’d find other, even more interesting books to read, and places to visit, in the mean time. The idea of ownership builds on the notion of scarcity. The thought that there is not enough of places and books for every one of us. Therefore, it is best to hoard as much as we can while we can. If we don’t, we risk being without, not having access and having to live a poor life. Not owning anything could be the best experience humanity has ever had. It would result in the most abundant lifestyle anyone on this planet could ever dream of. Not owning anything is a notion built on the opposite of scarcity. It is a thought that when we share, everyone will have many times more than what we would ever have if we were to own everything we wanted. This includes the richest of the richest people on this planet. No one, I repeat, n o o n e, can own the whole planet. Even though someone certainly tries to do just that, it will never happen. In any case no one would ever be able to use the whole planet for themselves only. You can’t swim on all the seas, climb all the mountains or eat all the food. Some people try to own as much as possible, thinking this will bring the best lifestyle for them, not realizing that sharing will bring more to everyone, even them. Of course, we can not all have our own private jet or private beach. But we would have access to more jet’s and beaches than we could ever use in a world with no ownership. So, since we don’t own anything anyway, since ownership is nothing more than an illusion bringing lack to the world, why not simply abandon it. Of course, this is not something that is done over night. Many people are ready for it, even rich people. But just as many people are afraid of it and far from ready. For it to happen this thought has to manifest itself throughout the population and take root. Humanity have to break free from the thought of money, property and ownership and open it’s eyes to the new virtually unlimited possibilities a moneyless society and a resource based economy can offer.

I mentioned recently on another thread, I've been waking up in the mornings repeatedly to a vivid dream where I'm reading ancient scrolls and modern textbooks right in front of my eyes, but I can't seem to understand the words in any understandable sequence. Someone mentioned that it might be somehow tapping into the Akashic records. I'd like to know more about it too. Or someone also said it could be remembrance of a prior life. Either way, it's odd.

Hi there all, I just wanted to add, I do know that there are things going on with OBE and ream sleep work, that have and can be used to cultivate your whole body and mind... There are people out there who have become so good at this it is amazing... I have had people OBE right to my house to look for an unfriendly spirit that was hanging out. And they not only sent him away. They told me things that they would not know if they where not here. Like we had a leak last Summer, and they let me know we had bad mold under our house. This was true... I don't even know who these people are, any more than I know who you are... But I was helped just the same... Now back to the subject at hand... There is also a group of OBE people, who know how to exchange there healing knowledge for Qi or Chi or other things they may need. In your spirit body you can do, and take more from another. Than you can in your human skin. Still there are limitation to this. Such as you can only stay in OBE state for so long before your body wants it back. But I have found dream walking to be a new thing for me. But again your ream sleep only last so long. You can take things to keep it going longer like meletonin, or other things. That I myself haven't used yet, but know of. Like there are some that use. the plant bella to stay in ream. I know little about all of this really next to some, but I know it is growing the knowledge of all of this, and it is going on... Your friend Melanie P.S. I would like to add that a person that takes from another should always have an agreement with the other to exchange something in return. Or you would be hurting yourself more than them in the end...

Part 5 By: Jacque Fresco/ The Venus Project MOTIVATION, INCENTIVE & CREATIVITY It is claimed that the so-called free-enterprise system creates incentive. This may be true, but it also perpetuates greed, embezzlement, corruption, crime, stress, economic hardship, and insecurity. In addition, the argument that the monetary system and competition generate incentive does not always hold true. Most of our major developments in science and technology have been the result of the efforts of very few individuals working independently and often against great opposition. Such contributors as Goddard, Galileo, Darwin, Tesla, Edison, and Einstein were individuals who were genuinely concerned with solving problems and improving processes rather than with mere financial gain. Actually, very often there is much mistrust in those whose incentive is entirely motivated by monetary gain, this can be said for lawyers, businessmen, salesman and those in just about any field. Some may question that if the basic necessities are accessible to all people, what will motivate them? This is tantamount to saying that children reared in affluent environments, in which their parents provide all the necessary food, clothing, shelter, nutrition, and extensive education, will demonstrate a lack of incentive or initiative. There is no evidence to support this fallacious assumption. There is overwhelming evidence to support the facts that malnutrition, lack of employment, low wages, poor health, lack of direction, lack of education, homelessness, little or no reinforcement for one's efforts, poor role models, poverty, and a bleak prospect for the future do create monumental individual and social problems, and significantly reduce an individual's drive to achieve. The aim of a resource based economy is to encourage and develop a new incentive system, one no longer directed toward the shallow and self-centered goals of wealth, property, and power. These new incentives would encourage people to pursue different goals, such as self-fulfillment and creativity, the elimination of scarcity, the protection of the environment, and the alleviation of suffering in their fellow human beings. People, provided with good nutrition in a highly productive and humane society, will evolve a new incentive system unattainable in a monetary system. There would be such a wealth of new wonders to experience, explore, and invent that the notion of boredom and apathy would be absurd. Incentive is often squelched in our present culture, where a person dare not dream of a future that seems unattainable to him or her. The vision of the future that too many see today consists of endless days of mindless toil, and a wasted life, squandered for the sake of merely earning enough money to survive from one day to the next. Each successive period in time creates it's own incentive system. In earlier times the incentive to hunt for food was generated by hunger; the incentive to create a javelin or a bow and arrow evolved as a process supportive to the hunt. With the advent of an agrarian society the motivation for hunting was no longer relevant, and incentives shifted toward the cultivation of crops, the domestication of animals, and toward the protection of personal property. In a civilization where people receive food, medical care, education, and housing, incentives would again undergo change and would be redirected: People would be free to explore other possibilities and lifestyles that could not be anticipated in earlier times. The nature of incentive and motivation is dependent upon many factors. We know, for example, that the physical and mental health of an individual is directly related to that person's sense of self-worth and well-being. Furthermore, we know that all healthy babies are inquisitive; it is the culture that shapes the particular kind of inquiry and motivation. For example, in India and other areas of great scarcity there are many people who are motivated not to accumulate wealth and material property; they renounce all worldly goods. Under the conditions in which they find themselves, this is not difficult. This would seem to be in direct conflict with other cultures that value the accumulation of material wealth. Yet, which view is more valid? Your answer to this question would depend upon your frame of reference, that is, your culturally influenced value-system. Many experimental psychologists and sociologist have shown that the effects of environment play a major role in shaping our behavior and values. If constructive behavior is appropriately rewarded during early childhood, the child becomes motivated to repeat the rewarded behavior, provided that the reinforcement meets the individual needs of the child. For example, if a football were given to a child who is interested in botany, this would not be a reward from the child's point of view. It is very unfortunate that so many individuals in our society today are not appropriately rewarded for their creative efforts. In some instances individuals are seemingly able to overcome the shortcomings of their environment in spite of an apparent lack of positive reinforcements. This is due to their own "self-reinforcement" in which they can see an improvement in whatever activity they are engaged in, and achieve an intrinsic sense of accomplishment; their reinforcement does not depend on the approval of others, nor on monetary reward. Those children who do depend on the approval of a group tend to be afflicted with a sense of low self-esteem, while children who do not depend on group approval usually acquire a sense of self-approval by improving upon their own performance. Throughout history, there have been many innovators and inventors who have been ruthlessly exploited, ridiculed, and abused while receiving very little financial reward. Yet, they endured such hardship because they were motivated to learn and to discover new ways of doing things. While creative individuals like Leonardo de Vinci, Michelangelo, and Beethoven received the generous sponsorship of wealthy patrons, this did not diminish their incentive in the least. On the contrary, it empowered them to reach new heights of creativity, perseverance and individual accomplishments. This is a difficult concept to grasp because most of us have been brought up with the value system that has given us a set of notions about the way that we ought to think and behave about money and motivation. These are based upon ancient ideas that are really irrelevant today. It has been stated that war generates creativity. This deliberately falsified concept has no basis in fact. It is government financing of war industries that helped to develop many new materials and inventions. There is no question that a saner society would be able to create a more constructive incentive system if our knowledge of the conditions that shape human motivation were applied. In this new social arrangement of a resource-based economy, motivation and incentive will be encouraged through recognition of, and concern for, the needs of the individual. This means providing the necessary environment, educational facilities, nutrition, health care, compassion, love, and security that all people need. Comments? Thoughts?

Before you move somewhere looking for a teacher have you traveled and spent time there ? A lot ? I've been going to mainland China for about 5 years now. I visit Taoist mountains and temples, make friends, visit with monks and nuns, and of course practice what I already know as much as possible. I have always had the dream of finding some amazing teachers, and have even setoff on some adventures searching for them. It never happened. . But, I just returned from two week trip to China yesterday, and feel that things really fell into place on this trip. I met some amazing teachers all of whom approached me. Maybe it was being in the right place at the right time, maybe I was finally ready to meet them, maybe it was just luck. Whatever happened the foundation has been laid for some incredible growth and learning. My advice - travel as much as possible, don't have any expectations, and learn mandarin !

I've read all his in print books and most of his out of print books. I used to collect them actually! Had so many of his very rare books. I had a really cool dream with Gurumayi the other night... actually... I guess the night of Christmas? It took place on the night/early morning of December 26th though I suppose in our time zone on the East Coast of the USA. I've got nothing but respect for what Baba Muktananda did for the knowledge of Kundalini in the West. He awakened my mother in 76' to a process deeper than the mundane.