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Very much agreed. You see your spirit world while I perceive a completely different way of life and illumination. For example..since you believe in hells they manifest in your subjective phase of consciousness regardless if they objectively exist. Or since you believe in reincarnation you re create it for yourself. Your eye witness is in fact your exploration into your own inner dream state. While you live off imagined past lives and necessary reincarnations..I live off of creating my own essence and realities as I move through change. Your eyes are much different than mine

I do that without having had to meditate. Intellectual attribute. The mind watching itself. Comes naturally when thinking is a hobby. About my self-critique in my dream: I think this occured because lately I did a lot of critique of TV series, pointing out the flaws in characters' behavior to myself. Generally I noticed that when I do something specific a lot so that it almost becomes a habit, it tends to be reflected in my dreams.

Thanks.. interesting sounds allot better then insane had me another wild dream this night, with multiple charecters.. and some sort of quest, which I didn't finish. And snaps which could be best described as a fullfledged comedy.. atleast it made me laugh. Apart from one thing, I saw two people drowning while floating in the air, it didn't scare me.. just suprised me.

he he Maybe you are becoming an immortal? Anyway, I started a new thread with the topic of dream yoga / sleeping qigong.

I started out of curiosity about death and how things "really" work. Then I wanted to become a strong healer due to alot of rifts my parents and friends kept going through. Although I also wanted to learn projection so I could learn what everything was first hand, and I noticed that projection helps with healing immensly. Turns out their is a masssive amount of healing I have to go through before I focus on anyone else, and now I want to be strong, confident and happy and hopefully QiGon practices will help with that, along with my other goals. Funniest thing, After adding my first position from the "a Lightwarriors guide to High Level Energy Healing" I had a very happy dream, and then woke up with the book in my cargo pocket.

Hi Rainbow , Yes it would be really nice to be in qigong state 24/7, it's actually one of my goals to cultivate 24 hours a day. I tried to do dream yoga but I didn't get my rest so it became too tough. I wonder how you do sleeping qigong. Is there any specific method or is it a spontaneous effect of stillness-movement?

Hello Observer, The answer is yes... your mind is always in the spirit world... but when you are awake, your senses (sight, sound, smell, taste, touch), combined with that little voice in your head (non stop junk thinking) anchor you in the physical world... when you are asleep, your physical senses and your conscious thinking, are turned off... so your mind is at rest in the spirit world... if you are aware that you are dreaming, it is like being awake and aware in your sleep, but your body is shut down.... all the barriers that normally keep you from seeing the spirit world are shut down, and you are awake and aware... so once you realize that you are already in the spirit world, you can walk out of your dream and explore the spirit world... using your thoughts to manipulate your experience of it... Metta,

Yeah, of course, as it is a crucial issue ; without method of solving it only means we guys can't move forward. One of the methods which adopted by the Taoist Wu-Liu School is to refine all our jing into qi by using our focusing ; of course, having succeeded it means even when we are having dream about sex, we don't get any jing released for all jing is already turned into qi.(WARNING : although the process is not non-reversible, it , of course, also means stopping your re-productive ability ) Another method is that as for most guys nearly all nocturnal release happen at certain time in night ,say mostly in between midnight and dawn ( 3am ~ 6am ), some guys may rise up at 5 am to start their meditation so as to avoid the happening of their nocturnal release. In fact, after the ability of our "shen" has reached certain high level in the later period of our cultivation ,we can awaken, instead of sleeping it through, just nearly before the release happen and stop it.

In reply to the original post, I think our current plane of reality is "real" in the relative sense (ie you, aka the average person, cannot walk through walls or materialize objects from thin air) but in the absolute sense (viewed from the perspective of non duality) it is not real, a dream if you will; if all things are one why do we perceive things as separate and many? Why is it that scientists can not pin down the smallest unit of existence, the quantum (er, I maybe fudged up on the details here, but you get the point)? Why is it that every time we think we've found an answer, it slips through our fingers or morphs into something of a different nature? I guess it's more a matter of our minds being conditioned to believe in a certain reality with set rules and boundaries (waking consciousness). Theoretically, as unfortunately I've never seen it entirely for myself, if we shift our identity from the individual to our intrinsic Godhead/Buddha-nature/Superconciousness whatever so does our perception and relation to reality. This would explain the miracle healings and different feats such as bi-location we hear of from holy men across the globe etc... Unraveling reality appears to be unlearning everything you were ever taught.

as far as our soul goes from a taoist point of view we have two parts of our soul. The Hun and the Po. The hun reisde in the liver and are the part of us that continues to exist after the death of the body. The Po reside in the lungs and disolve when the body dies. The Po relate to more of our animal instincts, and constitute mainly the reactions you see in a new baby which is almost all Po. The Hun reside in the eyes in the day and the liver at night, and when we sleep fly away as we dream. Of course the shen our spirit also accompanies us after death, but it operates at a different level. Hun http://www.fivespirits.com/hun.php Po http://www.fivespirits.com/po.php

I'm not sure why, but I've only had one wet dream in my entire life, and that was when I was a teenager. I've heard that with guys this is a problem with often don't have enough kidney yin, and that tonifying kidney yin helps.

waking to a dream sounds not heard, and yet percieved dreams and memory...

half empty of sound half empty of life, I sit waking to a dream

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This sounds awesome, but is absolutely unrealistic. Society and the establish hierarchy would quickly eliminate anyone posing such threats. You realize the revolution mentioned above would be catastrophic for the economy, religion, and social order in general right? There's a reason why people make people cough up thousands of dollars, why we all have to go through a worthless educational system, and why people are living as wage slaves. No way the system lets itself collapse because one guy supposedly turns into light.... Yeah and that's not gonna come by Max going in front of the public and demonstrating powers. It's gonna probably start from you and me collectively. This is one reason I practice and urge others to practice, evolution doesn't happen because of one guy. Jalus means immortality. So if what Max says is true, yes, he is immortal. According to Max, from what I've heard from him in a seminar, he has subjected himself to medical studies several times. He has MRI photos and x-rays of his body that are quite abnormal compared to a normal human being (I was with a doctor who examined them alongside). And yes, again you can call those pictures fake, Max a master photoshopper. He says he cannot check into normal hospitals anymore because they will confiscate his body. Of course it'll hurt his feelings. But why should he care too much about it? Should he care? I don't know. I'm not Max. I just feel the need to offer an opinion on this because I happen to devote time doing what he has taught. He probably does care because people who have never met him are turning potential students away through stupid unfound rumors like he is some reincarnation of a demon god blah blah. It hurts me too that the art he put out there gets a whole lot of baggage from people who have never practiced the art or met him or that people my age don't have the luck I do to have run into Kunlun and can only dream about the experiences in mystical books. I'm not going back and forth, emotions like these are complicated. They are by nature back and forth.

It is very much possible. In 2002 I was initiated into meditation by a Guru in a dream. I don't know who that Guru was yet...but the Mantra he gave me worked and helped me through a very bad time. During that time I also conversed with other Sadhus and a Taoist master who was teaching me Chi Gung

Hm has he shown up in your dreams? Also Ya I do believe its very possible. I could go into detail why, although I think there should be a level of caution when/if trying to contact a spirit. If anything, I'd say try through dreams.. think of him frequently and maybe decide to drop by him when you're dreaming. Just dream walking would be a safer bet. Contacting them throughout the day not so much.

This has been my experience as well. I wrote a rather lengthly theory a few weeks ago about this very topic (about women being Middle Dan Tien centered, and men being Lower Dan Tien centered .. primarily) It was in the Heart Center/ Middle Dan Tien thread here it is.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:03 AM I just woke up this morning and I had this dream that I feel gave me an important insight. There is the heart center which lies in the Middle Dan Tien, and the sexual center which is closer to the domain of the Lower Dan Tien. It has been my observation that people with blocked heart centers tend to be more focused on sex, while people who have blocked sexual centers seem to be more focused on the emotional aspect of relationships. Think of it as a PVC pipe with water flowing through it. Now lets say I drilled two holes in this pipe. As long as both holes are clean water is going to flow out of both holes more or less equally. Now lets say that one hole becomes clogged or blocked. This will have the effect of raising the water pressure in the remaining hole. So lets say one has their heart center blocked. Then that would seem to indicate that more pressure would tend to flow out of the sexaul center. Now it would seem that for what ever reason that a lot of men (and of course some women too) tend to be more straight foward "mission minded" less emotional in regards to sex as compared to women. Women on the other hand tend to be a little more problematic when it comes to achieving an orgasm than men (and usually are more sexually hesitant), but also seem to emphasise the emotional component of a relation ship then men. This would suggest to me that in general men have more problems with blockages in their heart center, and women have more problems with blockages in their sexual center (and yes I know there are always exceptions). The man with a blockage in the heart center would have more pressure trying to escape their sexual center, and vice versa with the woman. It is easy to see how this would not only create a great deal of internal frustration (sex obsessed man, emotional woman) but inter-relationship issues as well. To the woman the man would seem to not care enough about issues of the heart, and to the man it would seem hard to get into the womans pants. In my observations on homosexual couples, women who have become lesbians often tell me that their relationships with women are much more soft and tender than with men. Homosexual men seem to be highly promiscuous changing partners often. This behavior tends to reinforce my theory on where blockages tend to predominate in the various genders. A third category might be the serious scholar / nerd who might be blocked in both the lower centers and only open in the Upper Dan Tien, the kind of person who seems uninterested in either sex or emotional relationships, but only in study and contemplation. So then I suppose that the idea state is of course to have all areas unblocked so that in all aspects of life we remiain well blanaced. Yet if in a certain aspect of life we do seem to be unblanaced, then understanding why we have such an imbalance is likely the first set in finding a solution to that imbalance." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was my theory at the time, and since then my experience has only confirmed this even more. I believe that most women are hard wired with their primary focus in the middle dan tien, and men in the lower. This would explain a lot of the differences between men and women in their approaches to sexuality and relationships. I found your descriptions interesting as I have felt the exact same sensations as you were describing. If I retain/do qigong a lot I get flirted with quite a bit, (and I'm not even being flirty). So as to your question as to why practice makes us more attractive to women I remember Drew saying that men want the women's jing, and women want the men's chi. So I suppose that if we have a lot of chi, women are going to feel this, and find it attractive. The lower dan tien is the residence of jing, so men want more jing from the woman. The middle dan tien is the residence of chi, so women want the man's chi.

I have had the same experience.. and this is what i have come to figure out; meditation allows you to take ownership of your intent, energy and shen. your shen can be a projection of intent and, most people aren't aware of that. its the shen that manipulates the qi.. and at a base level this is the projection most people eminate in social circumstance. if they are mundane, they dont emit strongly unless they have an excess abnormality, and that can manifest in various ways.. its why criminals 'feel' dangerous or sexual predators radiate this vibe. dont be deceived, these types of people are meditating too, just not structured and they meditate on different things than you. they generate momentum with these practice.. as concientious practitioners we get to take these effort to a 'better' place. most men who haven't learned to be aware of their illusionary 'wants' and 'needs' are still slaves to the base emotional response.. lumbering through life with lustful thoughts and projecting that shen.. its the natural yang response to yin energy. they are effectivly walking around in an attitude emotional rape. most guys i know wouldn't dream of doing it on physical level, but ask them to honestly say what they are thinking and it would repel you. aware or not, we are responsible for this energy. our energetic projection is no less substantial than our physical presence, and our society has engineered itself to respond to this fact with the large majority of the masses unaware they wage battle daily.they have to be first in line, they cant make eye contact, return a hello.. they are unconsiously reacting to a stimulus they dont understand, have never explored and probably dont beleive in. and then there is you.. who walk into a room more or less in control of your monkey mind and not a slave to your ego and just invloved with the act of being there, and its like a breath of fresh air. your not projecting lust, pride, anger etc.. you just are. its a rare and curious thing, and who wouldn't be attracted to that?? its comforting. and it puts you in position to help educate others and then they can have the opportunity to live a full and complete human experience of intergrated mind body and shen. and they tell two people and they tell two people and so on and so on.. but it does take work, as you know, and unfortunalty for todays society its far easier to just pick up an STD, stay angry and blame others for this terrible terrible world... but im digressing. good for you! be well and keep it up!!

Thank you for your advice, I will take it into consideration. First of all you are right about me sticking to Falun Dafa. As I see it I will continue cultivating Dafa until the end. So you could say that I am orthodox. Secondly, NONE of my views(except copy-paste from Master Li´s quotes) are official FD truths. Those views are just my personal state of enlightenment(cultivation level) at this moment. So I am actually arguing for my standpoints at my level of wisdom, which by no means is any absolute truth or any official FD truths. Note this. So these lively discussions are only my way of showing you some external reasons for my current enlightenment state. Everyone knows that during daily life and meditation one will have the strongest experiences and become convinced about one´s cultivation. Thirdly, I agree, these discussions have become too intense and repetitive with the same users repeating their standpoints over and over. I will slow down here since many users seem agitated by now. Finally, I have said it before. Nobody can be recruited to Dafa so why do you keep thinking that I am preaching? Predestined people come and the rest will not come. It is absolutely impossible for anyone without a heart of steel to cultivate in Dafa. Hence nobody can become a genuine cultivator without that heart of steel. Saving people is a completely different matter and only means people should like the principle of Zhen-Shan-Ren and hence think Falun Dafa is good. Finally a side note about how some users look down at others in here. Many users are upset about what Master Li has said and they actually slander him in various ways here on the forum. I am very sad when I see such things, no matter who is slanderred. Should a cultivator not be tolerant towards others no matter which opinions they have? As mentioned before, Master Li has no karma(visible to anyone seeing him practice), hence he must have immense wisdom and a cultivation level very few people can ever dream of. How can an average cultivator/everyday person understand such a man and judge him with their human opinions/emotions? Are you worthy of having opinions about such a man? Did you ever meet him? Why has he no karma? Does he not speak truth? In that case he would have had massive karma and could never sit like that in double Lotus. I urge everyone to use their common sense as a cultivator. Do I dare to say something bad about Jesus, Lao Zi or Buddha or anyone else at their extremely high levels of cultivation? Absolutely not! I am extremely far from their level and can only admire such people. Let any man(or woman) who can sit 12 hours straight(hence he has almost no karma in his body and has surely seen many other dimensions) in double Lotus tell us his "opinions" about Master Li. I bet that person will not say a single bad word about Master Li.

Quite a few people believe they will return on the 23rd of December of 2012. Something to consider. Even though I have made "dimensional" type travels (i cant do it for a long period of time yet) Made contact with these frail looking beings who once looked like water spirits to me... Even I have a hard time believeing this stuff. If it happens great, a new epoch and that means 99% of the population can stop telling everyone their religion/politics is absotutelyposolutely right. Maybe not. I can still dream. I am glad to see people starting to take some what of an interest in this type of thing. It will expose to to some of the origins of Daoism and specific rituals that honored them actually came from the Pleadian Spirituality-Science. The pleadians dont have a religion as we do but they regard it as "just existing" which means they are past the need to believe in things they cant see.

"do you ever practice outside?" "Girl, I like yoga, but it really loses a lot not doing it in nature" "do you know any place where it is possible to practice" -"no I don't know that? Could you bring me?" "Do you know of any good vegetarian place around here" Ask after yoga, while you are still lying on the mat. Ask as if you were just waking up from the most superb dream. In general it's easier to hook up during a workshop. Or before class: "I need a massage" "here, let me give you a massage" "I just learned this foot massage, let me try it on you. [joking tone]Tell me if it's VERY painful[/joking tone]"

LOL I should work more on the clarity of my communication. I don't mean to say that pain = progress. Only that it's common enough that it should be expected. If the path of cultivation were easy then everyone would do it. Expecting it to be all rainbows and kittens is a pipe dream. The truth is that no matter how many great moments, pretty scenery or mind-blowing realizations come along there are still plenty of humps in the road. If there weren't then there'd be no need for cultivation in the first place. You could think of it like rock climbing. The higher you climb, the better the view but you still have to climb . It's easy for the master who's climbed a hundred mountains to say, "oh yeah this is an easy mountain. It's a very simple ascent to the top and the view is great! You'll have fun the whole way up!" He's climbing MUCH BIGGER mountains so it looks that way to him. No matter what mountain your on though, it's you're first time up this particular rock. You don't know that half way up the wall gets a little crumbly and your fingers aren't quite strong enough to grip those tiny handholds near the top. Just like you don't know that you have nasty blocks in your spine and you're in for months of crippling pain while your body fixes itself. You're going to slip and every time you do, you're going to scrape a knee or bust a knuckle. The view at the top IS worth it (I hope ) but people should realize that nothing worthwhile is all that easy. You have to be willing to put in the effort and stick with it and that's something you can't buy. No guru, master or teacher can give that to you. It comes from within and you have to dig deep keep going forward if you want to achieve anything.

I'm posting this here because I have the sense that there might be others on this forum who will have a better insight into what I experienced. If any of this strikes a chord with you, please let me know. I will try to be as concise as possible, while still including everything that seems relevant. I have had experiences with bad spirits in the past. When I speak of bad spirits, I am referring to the specific kind that are drawn to negative energy, and manifest by holding you down at night. Those spirits that keep you from moving your body when you wake up, and exist as an oppressive force when the mind turns back to the conscious world as the body has been resting. Now I know that some have said that the conscious disconnect between mind and body is perfectly normal, and scientists have tried to explain it away. I would rather not rehash that aspect of this. I have been going through a difficult healing process following a fall that I took about six months. Because of that my energy levels have been low, and my attitude has been fairly negative at times. I have felt despair about whether or not the pain will ever go away. My girlfriend has been dealing with an alcoholic father for her entire life. Last night she just got bad news about him, and she was upset. She often times talks in her sleep, and last night she was vocal in a very angry sounding way. I just mention that because hearing her practically shouting is what woke me up one of the times last night. We are sleeping in different rooms because I need to be able to move around and stretch out to work with the spasming muscles. Last night I was feeling particularly optimistic, and I was doing some deep, meditative energy work in an effort to clear out the blockages and will my body to relax. I mention this because my suspicion is that all of the grief and negativity that my g/f was feeling, combined with my light work might have drawn the negative force to our home. (If you're still reading, thank you for hanging in here). A while after I awoke to hear my girlfriend angrily talking in her sleep, I was drifting back and forth between that state of sleep and waking. Now that I am fully conscious I do not completely remember what my thoughts were, but they were along the lines of concern for her, and peace and relaxation for the both of us. At some point I drifted asleep because I later became aware of that oppressive, evil force. As an aside, I heard a concerned meow from our cat who was in the other room around the same time. It might have even been what turned my attention to it. You know how attention and focus get weird in that in-between state. Upon becoming aware of it, my first intention was to try to move, to test it. I was unable to move. The next thing that came to mind was to form my index fingers into a cross (I'm not Christian, but something about it made sense at the time). I was unable to join my fingers together, my hands and body were paralyzed, yet I felt like I was making progress toward moving them together. Then I began to mentally direct my intent toward the force, and I told it basically, "You will leave me. You will leave my home." That seemed to get things going. I was able to move and actually put my fingers together to form a cross. At that point I became conscious, in control of my body. Now this is where it starts to get weird. I sat up and felt this concern for my girlfriend in the other room. I stood up and placed my hands together, palms touching in the traditional "prayer" style. I silently asked for help, for light and I went into her room. The tension in the air was palatable. She was laying on the bed completely rigid, and some how I just knew that she was struggling with her own internal demons. I could feel the negative presence around her, and I just stood there at the foot the bed, breathing deeply, willing it away. It probably took four or five deep, concentrated, breathes during which I willed relaxation and peace over her to break the aura of badness that had built up around her. I saw her visibly relax. I considered that I was done at that point, then I realized that I was not. I laid down next to her, and ran my hand over her head a few times, over the crown, breaking whatever connections had attached themselves there. (Isn't it interesting how malleable an unconscious person's aura can be?) Then I hugged her and told her "You are okay." "I love you." "Everything is okay." "I love you." It was odd because she was verbally mumbling the equivalent of "leave me alone... go away" while at the same time snuggling closer and hugging me for comfort. Eventually she relaxed and mumbled something along the lines of, "I love you". I laid down next to her with my eyes closed and consciously willed myself to Wudang mountain in China. It was day time (which is odd now that I think about it, since this happened around 1am PST which would make it afternoon in China, right?) I saw incense burning, and I drew the positive intent from the incense toward us. I saw clear blue skies and monks doing their forms... I felt the energy, and I channeled it into the room. I stayed with her for a few minutes then I whispered that I was going to go lay down in the other room again. About five minutes later she comes into the room, still half asleep... scared, crying... worried that she had done something wrong. She had no recollection of me being in there with her (that is common... I talk to her when she talks in her sleep all the time... full blown conversations that she never remembers). She just remembered waking up from a really bad dream, and needing to be with me. Anyway, that is the story. Here are my questions. Evil influences... external or internal? Part of me feels like it was drawn to us. Another part believes that it came from inside of us. Banishings... real or not? Can we as human beings consciously perceive manifestations of ill will and negativity? Can we counter them with positive intent and energy work? Taoist immortals, buddhas, repositories of pure qi and positive intent. Real? Available to those who need them?

I know some people who are hermits over here although, base from the way they act towards me I can't seem to sense any loneliness from them or even see in their auras. In my opinion I think the main reason they don't feel lonely is that because, they spend most of their time meditating their awareness has expanded to a certain level that they have total control of their emotions. It's like that feeling you get when you are deep into meditation that your body is so relaxed and your mind is so focused that you seem to get detached to everything almost to the point of having a very good dream and you don't want to wake up, now imagine those hermits twenty four hours a day feeling that feeling only with their eyes open. Even though we all are social creatures. I think when you are into a spiritual practice the control you develop from meditating keeps you anchored to higher consciousness which make one person not to feel that sense of loneliness. I'm not saying that everybody can do it but it is possible to not be able to feel lower human emotions. SY