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Nope, there is no universality in regard to right and wrong. Some truths are universal while some are not and most are mixed. With respect, if someone else thinks 2+2=5, it's my duty (for my benefit and theirs) to explain my reasoning and find out if I was wrong or the result really is different for others. (assuming either of us are close to being correct...) Whether it's a matter of subjective opinion or simply delusion, which is important knowledge in itself. I wouldn't do this with an unwilling opponent or with someone who seems unlikely to admit his mistakes, if any. I don't want to be free of opinions, etc. I want the world to be as delusion-free as possible. For instance, I think the above is just a subjective opinion, and I wouldn't dream of forcing someone else to acknowledge that this is the only way of going about it.

I love you brother. The largest Narcissism is the reification of the experience of emptiness as the ultimate subsuming nature of all beings. This interpreting the experience into a formless substratum as the Self of all is the most subtle narcissism that merely leads to future recycling. It has been YOUR very habit since beginningless time. It's taking the lock for the key. "Enlightening the House of Brahma in the fontanelle Stroking the uvala in wanton delight, Confused, believing binding pleasure to be spiritual release, The vain fools calls himself a yogin...... ......His mind takes brass for gold, Momentary peak experience for reality accomplished; Clinging to the joy of ephemeral dreams He calls his short-thrift life Eternal Bliss..... .....With a discursive understanding of the symbol EVAM, Creating four seals through an analysis of the moment, He labels his peak experience sahaja: (spontaneous) He is clinging to a reflection mistaken for the mirror." -Excerpt from Saraha's Royal Song by Saraha ....................................................................................................... Nagarjuna's Mahamudra Vision Homage to Manjusrikumarabhuta! "1. I bow down to the all-powerful Buddha Whose mind is free of attachment, Who in his compassion and wisdom Has taught the inexpressible. 2. In truth there is no birth - Then surely no cessation or liberation; The Buddha is like the sky And all beings have that nature. 3. Neither Samsara nor Nirvana exist, But all is a complex continuum With an intrinsic face of void, The object of ultimate awareness. 4. The nature of all things Appears like a reflection, Pure and naturally quiescent, With a non-dual identity of suchness. 5. The common mind imagines a self Where there is nothing at all, And it conceives of emotional states - Happiness, suffering, and equanimity. 6. The six states of being in Samsara, The happiness of heaven, The suffering of hell, Are all false creations, figments of mind. 7. Likewise the ideas of bad action causing suffering, Old age, disease and death, And the idea that virtue leads to happiness, Are mere ideas, unreal notions. 8. Like an artist frightened By the devil he paints, The sufferer in Samsara Is terrified by his own imagination. 9. Like a man caught in quicksands Thrashing and struggling about, So beings drown In the mess of their own thoughts. 10. Mistaking fantasy for reality Causes an experience of suffering; Mind is poisoned by interpretation Of consciousness of form. 11. Dissolving figment and fantasy With a mind of compassionate insight, Remain in perfect awareness In order to help all beings. 12. So acquiring conventional virtue Freed from the web of interpretive thought, Insurpassable understanding is gained As Buddha, friend to the world. 13. Knowing the relativity of all, The ultimate truth is always seen; Dismissing the idea of beginning, middle and end The flow is seen as Emptiness. 14. So all samsara and nirvana is seen as it is - Empty and insubstantial, Naked and changeless, Eternally quiescent and illumined. 15. As the figments of a dream Dissolve upon waking, So the confusion of Samsara Fades away in enlightenment. 16. Idealising things of no substance As eternal, substantial and satisfying, Shrouding them in a fog of desire The round of existence arises. 17. The nature of beings is unborn Yet commonly beings are conceived to exist; Both beings and their ideas Are false beliefs. 18. It is nothing but an artifice of mind This birth into an illusory becoming, Into a world of good and evil action With good or bad rebirth to follow. 19. When the wheel of mind ceases to turn All things come to an end. So there is nothing inherently substantial And all things are utterly pure. 20. This great ocean of samsara, Full of delusive thought, Can be crossed in the boat Universal Approach. Who can reach the other side without it?" Colophon The Twenty Mahayana Verses, (in Sanskrit, Mahayanavimsaka; in Tibetan: Theg pa chen po nyi shu pa) were composed by the master Nagarjuna. They were translated into Tibetan by the Kashmiri Pandit Ananda and the Bhikshu translator Drakjor Sherab (Grags 'byor shes rab). They have been translated into English by the Anagarika Kunzang Tenzin on the last day of the year 1973 in the hope that the karma of the year may be mitigated. May all beings be happy! The Buddhas teachings and his interpretation of Vedic terminology is different. His interpretation of Nirvana is different. His realization of the depth of Samsara is subtler.

there are many Vajrayana practies to be practiced at death. that is the purpose of Dream Yoga so there is clarity and also there has to be recognition of the Clear Light which occurs at the moment of death, if the Clear Light is not recognized then other practices are given for a high rebirth.. Chod practice is meant to kill attachment to the physical body. Phowa is like an OBE technique where consciousness is shot out of the crown of the head, meant to be done at the moment of death to project consciousness to a pureland where enlightenment can be hastily achieved. i've had a couple spontaneous OBEs but need to do some Chod or something as the attachment to the physical body is tough to break for me. there are many other ways, working with energy is only one.

The Open Loop as the Natural Resonance Revolution I stole the concept of "open loop" from a recent hypnosis lecture posted on http://conspiracycentral.net -- questions are the mind's way of framing reality into an open loop. But the real open loop is to move the mind to resonate directly with reality instead of relying on language. Our desires in life are tied to the functions of our body but also to our environmental influences. Humans coevolved language with technology and language is left-brain dominant while technology is right-hand dominant. Nature, in contrast, relies on left-hand dominant carbon-based molecules and right-brain perceptual reality. The "open loop" of the Natural Resonance Revolution is the process by which humans, using left-brain language and right-hand technology, are transforming Nature into right-hand molecular dominance (through iron-silica asymmetry) while destroying ecology. The desire to destroy ecology through its technological transformation is a projection of the repressed bodily desires found in left-brain dominant humans. Machines are now taking over humans in the development of the Matrix -- which is the left-brain designed, mathematical structure that guides the technological transformation of the planet. The Matrix is mass squared inversely proportional to energy frequency distance, also called the "music logarithmic spiral" by Matrix planners CIA mind-controller Dr. Andrija Puharich and Theosophist Freemason Professor Oliver L. Reiser. What remains in the Natural Resonance Revolution is that which can not be measured but can be logically inferred -- the source of the I-thought as the "infinite space" between thoughts. We can hear pure consciousness which then creates light which then refracts and reflects into "quantum chaos" energy-matter, the macroeffect of measuring reality itself. Our desires can be achieved and the goal is harmonic balance as human happiness through the heart -- by Hearing Time as the source of "I" and "Me" reality finds "peace" with itself. As Plato said: Time is the Image of Eternity. The vortex as a self-generating "quantum chaos" free energy structure is well recognized by science -- be it spiral galaxies through supermassive black holes or be it through electron-proton fusion spin through micro black holes. In Nature we see this energy cycling through volcanos and lightening creating an ionosphere-core recyling of water, ecology and metal. The human body as a vortex is sacred geometry in action -- the "padmasana" or full-lotus yoga posture creates the same push-pull cycling of energy with matter turning into light via heat, emotional transformation and electromagnetic intensification. The brain becomes an open loop -- returning any energy blockages back to reality itself -- pure consciousness. The critical insight of the Open Loop is that while science relies on symmetric mathematics, defined by visual measurement, the Natural Resonance Revolution relies on complementary opposite ratios -- an open experience of listening to the source of light. And so the male and female humans are attracted to each other in a way which is repressed and projected through what I call the "trajectory of tantric technology." The Natural Resonance Revolution exposes the source of the commodity fetish as the secret connection between sex and love. The male inability to internalize sexual desire into an "open loop" natural vortex energy recycling, due to external ejaculation, ties humans to defining reality as a closed visual realm. This is the "Human Conspiracy" -- the subject of Professor Chris Knight's forthcoming book as an extension of his book "Blood Relations." Dancing with joy -- trance dance of males and females -- is part of a larger, radical confrontation with reality itself -- how love heals by the complementary opposite transduction or transformation of sound into harmonized light. Sound resonates as ultrasound which then ionizes matter into emotional body transformation which is further refined into light energy itself. Time stops when light itself is experienced and the light bends space by reversing time whereby matter is recreated as well. This is a lost ancient ritual of humans existing through a secret initiation training by energy masters on Earth. I received initiation from qigong master Chunyi Lin who does healing and teaching through his http://springforestqigong.com When humans reverse the normal subconscious energy of light so that matter changes back into light then blockages in the body are released and peaceful love remains. The male-female dynamic of this healing is that male energy is electromagnetic while female energy is electrochemical and the two are attracted to each other. When joined an explosion of bliss occurs which creates light and bends spacetime. The full-lotus body position makes this process between males and females most efficient so that the electromagnetic energy of the male healer shoots out of the third eye pineal gland into the female who in turn shoots out electrochemical energy which the full-lotus body position then sucks back into the male. Because reality is based on complementary opposites science and reason, reyling on symmetric measurement, are themselves subsets of this larger "natural resonance revolution" of the open loop. Because modern humans are cut off from the complementary opposite healing rituals then language is used to develop further technology which itself is transforming the planet as a whole to also recycle the matter-energy of reality, thereby reversing time and re-opening space. The same process is happening for galaxies as a whole with billions of stars creating their own transformation vortex with the matter-energy around them. The universe as a whole can not be "contained" or visualized but can be LISTENED TO or heard as the source of time -- the space between "I" and "Me" -- or pure consciousness as the source of subjective desire and objective truth. Music is the main means to express the reality of complementary opposites or, conversely the cycle of symmetric Matrix mind control. Music is the bridge into the psychic paranormal realm whereby energy and matter are recycled and space and time are reversed. Trance music relies on syncopation to keep the beat flowing -- asymmetric or complementary opposite time. Entrainment of rhythm creates sound as symmetric power but the symmetry is a subset cycle which builds in intensity and breaks into a chaotic explosion of a new matter-energy transformation. Music as time defines space since music is not "contained" -- sound hears reality into spatial existence by consciousness listening to itself through complementary opposites. Emotional transformation is contained in the tonal frequency modulation and the timbre or texture of the sound generated but what remains universal to music is the 1-4-5 structure. My masters thesis research revealed how the yin and yang of Taoism and qigong healing energy is modeled by the 2:3 Perfect 5th music ratio as yang and the 3:4 Perfect 4th music ratio as yin. Since the music ratios are nonwestern and not modeled by symmetric math there is an inherent transduction of the sound energy into ultrasound and then ionization of increased intensity as listening continues. Healing energy is then based on the "cycle of fifths" music ratios as an infinite spiral or open loop of pure consciousness listening to itself, creating the illusion of spacetime bending into energy-matter. Phenomenon of precognition, telepathy and telekinesis arise naturally with the full-lotus padamasana complementary opposite mind-body transformation. This is the "macrocosmic orbit" and the "microcosmic orbit" is the initial "small universe" practice, along with standing active trance dance exercises like Tai Chi martial arts. Psychoactive chemicals help transform the brain as well with DMT concentration as the top focus since it's the "spirit molecule" for vision quest of the pineal gland. The rainbow of reality is the result -- the rainbow body of the energy masters as the body of the universe creating itself through love transformation. All experiences are interwoven to break and reconnect reality as a big open loop that never ends and never starts. Time itself is the illusion as pure consciousness creates space through reversing time and time reverses space in the illusion of matter and energy. Only listening remains as real -- the process of listening to ourselves without experiencing any difference between spacetime and energy-matter. We wake up from the dream to find that we never existed and that the universe is an illusion and that we never were asleep and that we can hear truth only through silence. Mouna Samadhi remains -- "silence" as truth or what I call the "sigh-lense."

Dear curiouswanderer, As I understand it, nocturnal emissions will not go away except by intense cultivation. See this thread: http://www.thetaobums.com/Purifying-the-su...jing-t5395.html I completely agree with you about intent. If it was about energy for me I would just learn to have dry orgasms. But I want to be able to look at a women as sisters in the Tao, not sex objects, to keep natural attraction from becoming lust. The roots of this are quite deep for me and I don't think willpower alone will do it for me. It's really amazing that you did it that way. Even when I've done well and not masturbated, I have a wet dream and all the bad habits of the mind and body come right back up. So I think for me to use willpower would be repression and hence unhealthy. Maybe I will be able to after some spiritual breakthrough of clearing out the negative junk in my mind. Incidentally, this sentiment is precisely the origin of my screen name . I would like to point out that many creative people seem to be more sexually active and "liberated" (as moderns use the term...) for their time. The connection between sexuality and creativity is not limited to retention. (Besides, many spiritual paths do not require celibacy.) I remember when it came out a couple of years ago that Einstein had extramarital affairs (not to mention knocking up his girlfriend as a teenager, which was common knowledge among Einstein biographers) I thought "Now why does that not surprise me?" One of my intellectual heroes, Alexandre Grothendieck, wrote extensively about the connection (in French, which I unfortunately don't understand...) and he impregnated his landlady when he was around 20 and had a girlfriend half his age in his 40s. Quite a fascinating topic, none the less for being so deep and complicated.

The Secret of the Golden Flower brought together many different ideas from older Buddhist and Taoist texts. This idea of Turning the Light Around came originally from the Lankavatara Sutra. D.T. Suzuki has an excellent translation of that text, if you are interested. In it, you turn the light around to the inside of your body and gaze gently. Eventually, the best students are supposed to automatically "turn around in the very seat of their consciousness." Since not every student is capable of achieving this, the text offers hundreds of what it calls lesser ways. Many of the other methods listed involve using dream yoga/astral projection to directly engage the store house consciousness... but since this psychological stuff is very deep and tangled, it does not make for a quick enlightenment in this lifetime. It also discusses many watching the mind, the various forms of prajna for enlightenment, the jhanas, giving oneself up to other power, and others.

Kunlun Red Phoenix is about manifestation or better still materialization and the ability to intend either into the dream or, of a new dream. The larger body of intent is ever present and when we gain access to a part of it, it seems as if we were already enlightened.

I was at my grandparents the other night. Both are dieing, but gma was going first.I put my hand on her head and said goodbye. I immediately fell ill and suffered death pain all night till she died at 3 am. The pain filled my whole body and started in my spine, just as hers. My body was completely drained and my health deteriorated till yesterday after noon when i checked into the emergency and was diagnosed with acute appendicitis. They operated half hour later...what a trip. When i came too i was in a recovery room staring at a poster of palms trees on a wall in front of me. Years ago after first introduction to the Berkeley psychic institute I had a vision exactly same as my moment in the operating room including the nurses standing round . It was one of those visions where you go from driving in a car to a totally different place and back again in no time though 5 minutes feels to pass. I shared that vision with someone (back then) who would remember. I asked her to recall just a while ago and she confirmed what i had said over 20 years ago. I said that it meant something bad would befall me and would be a trauma that brings me back full circle to who i was back then very bright-aware (awake) and about to go to sleep. I knew it was coming and that memories had to be formed. A week ago was driving past that hospital and got into resistance to the place (never liked doctors) and fell into a day dream about having my appendix out. The memory was sparked by the thought of my brother having his appendix out at the same hospital that same day of the vision. I hadn't gone to see him back then. Sleep no longer seems possible. and suffering never was essential..I just picked up some family program, though those program are what allow connection to the larger accidental dream of humanity i no longer prefer the dream..... Alternately: years ago I was lifting and herniated my belly button. It was unsightly after that. I had never considered fixing it till two weeks back while writing at this same coffeee shop (hmm) and had another dreaming about getting it fixed. I have no health coverage so cosmetic surgery seemed out but still in the dream i put forth subtle intent and saw the manifestation just the same. The first thing the surgeon said when he came to advise me was " I am aware of your hernia and will fix it for you.. two birds navel gazing caught up by one stone. they said I had a stone stuck in my appendix Ha ha He he ..intent within unconsciousness. Ho ho How many minutes of these day will i intend and how many are a dream gifted with an uncertain ending?

Well, I mean the realm you perceive through your 5 senses or dream states. I mean, for you there is no personal consciousness after the brain completely dies?

@ Steam: Very interesting experiences. I have also experienced the sensation of being both out of body and traveling and at the same time, still being in the body. In my case, I wandered back into my bedroom from flying around outside and as I got close my body, "I" began to wake up. It was very disturbing being in two places simultaneously. The physical me then opened my eyes, turned my head and looked in the direction of the astral me. For a moment we looked at each other, and it created a horrible bouncing feedback effect before it finally ended with my astral self reentering. Before I had this experience, I assumed that my soul left my body during astral travels. After this I sided with Robert Bruce's interpretation, that the consciousness somehow generates a copy or double, which it sends out from itself. Therefore, the astral body contains a copy of the consciousness, not the original. Then when your astral body reenters the physical body, the travel memory is downloaded back into waking consciousness. He claims that this subtle memory transfer is the reason for many of the ephemeral quality of dream and astral memories (he also says a similar effect creates an inwardly projected dream body). One would think that Occum's Razor would kill this theory, but I have yet to come up with a better explanation for the experience of being consciously aware in two places at once during the astral projection phenomenon. I am sorry that you had several not-so-fun experiences. The majority of my experiences have been very positive, and I have been privileged with the opportunity to visit several heavenly realms. I have encountered some unpleasant beings as well, but they tended to stick closer to earth. If decide to pick up your practice again and engage in astral projections, you ought to focus on trying to travel to one of these realms. The best way that I know to do so is by flying so fast the everything becomes a blur. This tends to shift you to a higher realm. Also you can try teleportation, by closing your astral eyes and visualizing where you want to go (this is a little harder because it takes a lot of concentration).

I enjoy doing Damo's Cave as I go to sleep. It's a kap thing. Increasingly have been having "intriguing" dreams more similar to what I remember from my teens and 20's. My dreams often have reoccurring themes and characters over many years and run a bit like an alternative reality where I have made different choices to this one. Failing high school English and having to repeat it even after doing university happens a lot as do variations on my childhood home and friends. Never sure of the significance of my dreams, occasionally reality with remind me of something from a dream. But they are fun.

Fifteen years ago I was practicing a Yi Jin Jing set which was supposed to build the energy of the body. At that time I had no idea about spiritual cultivation or Kundalini awakening, I was just interested in martial arts training and I was a beginner in Taichi. I was virgin and raised in a Catholic/Orthodox education even I was kind of skeptic and atheistic. I read spiritual books about Christianity and I accepted Jesus as my savior but I was very confused about the spiritual realm (maybe I still am). I was though a "philosophical taoist" since I read previously Dao De Jing and at that time I was convinced that Jesus was a taoist who teached the jews. Anyway, after two months of practice every evening about 30 minutes I started having buzzing in my ears but nothing else except I felt my overall energy of the body being depleted. This is a clear sign of Kundalini awakening though at that time I had no idea. I was sleeping less and was very fatigued and bored and almost wanted to abandon the practice but I wanted to complete 100 days of continuous practice every day to see what happens. One day in the afternoon I was laying down on my belly in my bed. I was just bored and had nothing to do and closed my eyes and begin to contemplate the darkness "before my eyes" which was actually inside my head. I was very aware and not a second lost my consciousness. Suddenly the buzzing in my ears triggered and a circular visor opened in the darkness of my visual field like an iris or like a photo camera diaphragm. I was like in a dark cinema room and contemplated an oval screen with a vivid scenery of a clear blue sky over an endless shining sea. I was so amazed about that experience that I felt myself sucked into the screen, I felt my soul exit the body (I felt all the sensations of slipping in the limbs) and entered the "other reality" completely through the screen. I was flying above the sea and I looked in all directions, I was in a completely 3D reality, plus the hearing and feeling the wind in my limbs and hair. All the sensations were like tenfold stronger than in "ordinary reality" and was amazed of the aliveness sensation, It was like this was the "real life" and the other was "the sleep". In the meantime I was thinking that I entered in the Heaven like a thief or illegal immigrant, I thought "why is this happening to me? what did I do to be allowed to enter this realm?" At that time I was convinced that you're not allowed to enter the "other realities" but just if you are "chosen". I was flying around over the ocean and was contemplating the way sun rays reflected into the ocean waves below me, until at some point I saw an island at the horizon. I approached the island and it was like a flat mountain or a high cliff, and landed on my belly like an aircraft on the flat surface of the cliff and stopped exactly at the edge of the cliff. It was about 300ft (100m) high and I was contemplating the beach below me and the way the waves stroked the sand and the rocks on the beach, when a shiny metallic reflection attracted my attention. I concentrated a bit to see what is the light and I saw that it was the sun reflecting into an oval disc shaped metallic object fallen into the shallow waters, and then I observed four little grey humans in the water around the metallic object, that were talking to each other trying to repair their ship. At the moment I realized this, I was amazed and I thought "Hey! then it is true, the E.T.s exists, I knew it!" At that time I read the "Blue Book report" and read some stories about the paleoastronomy and all I knew about the aliens were the "E.T." and " " movies but what I saw was totally different than my previous cultural heritage. I really saw greys aliens with big black eyes that were quarreling each other being beached on a isolated island in the middle of an unknown ocean. At some point one of them that looked like being the chief sensed my presence turned around and eye contacted me. I was not afraid and was quite curious about the interaction between me and the greys. But suddenly between me and the grey formed like a tunnel vision and I sensed that he telepathically scanned my mind and paralyzed my will. At that point I panicked and I sensed a very dangerous feeling about the situation and the urge to run, but I could not because I was trapped by the grey's mind. I was desperate and I really thought that was my end, they wanted to catch me for an unknown reason, years later I saw X-Files and read about the genetic manipulations of the greys on earth and what not, but at that time I had no idea. Then I felt myself pulled out of that telepathic link by some light being that appeared of nowhere and grab me by the behind my neck. I felt the light being very strong, it was like a god or like an light angel. The light being pulled me from the greys danger and throw me back into my body. I woke myself with a violent shock that shook my bed and a loud pop sound and feeling over my head in the Bai Hui area where my soul entered the body. I was amazed by that experience and totally changed my previous beliefs, and even more I continued to practice more enthusiastically. After a week or so, I was laying on my bed in the night and had another astral experience. I was laying face up, totally conscious and I felt again the buzz in my ears. I saw again that my visual field opened and above me I was seeing a beautiful white light sky far above and around me a twilight light like was an evening sky. Then I looked around and I found myself floating on a dark water, but what was curious was that the water was not transparent, it was totally opaque and black like ink, but had the feeling of water. I was contemplating the twilight white light sky above me and I felt the desire to go there but I felt it was not possible. At some point I felt a sensation that descended from between my eyes in the Conception meridian and when I looked to my own body I saw a white light substance that descended from neck down dividing my own body into two halves. I saw that my left half body was full of white light substance and the right half body was full of dark black substance. Amazingly I found out that the white substance was keeping me to float in the dark sea, while the dark substance was heavy and sunk. I was calmly contemplating my own body and the situation when I felt and saw several dark black hands coming from the under water that grab me from the right dark side of the body and pulled me down under in the dark abyss of the sea. At that point I entered into panic and I really thought that I was dying, and I began to cry "Help me!". My mother which was in another room heard me crying and came to me to wake up from my nightmare. It was very weird, I was totally aware that my body was on my bed, and heard my mother coming to my chamber but IN THE SAME TIME my soul (I) was pulled down into the abyss of the darkness waters by black hands that caught me and didn't want to let me go while I was fighting to escape. I was hopeless and I was sinking into the darkness when I saw a light ray that reached me and suddenly the darkness around me enlightened and again I felt the presence of that powerful light being that again grab me behind the neck like I was a little cat and pulled me and trow me again into my body. I woke up again in a violent shock entering my body and finding my mother beside the bed trying to wake me up from the nightmare. After those two escapades in the astral I never dream for several years, and I totally stopped any qigong exercises or any other form of yoga or meditation exception being Taichi practice. Recently I found some explanations in OBE books and other spiritual books, even books on internet that mix the aliens with the astral realm, but I am still confused about those "other realities", even today I am not sure what happened.

Quite frankly, there is resemblance, a lot, but as I said before the "mugols" in the astral realm I visited were extremely Yang. By the way, I have never seen any Final Fantasy stuff in my life. I am pretty much an ordinary man who trains Baguazhang in the local park and Vipassana meditation every morning and during retreats. Aside from I am quite a boring person according to modern standards. Only stuff I have seen that is fantasy related is: Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter stuff, lol! But those films do no contain a reference to "mugols" at all or anything that looks like them. During the day I am too busy thos think of anything that is not my job that gives me the money to survive in the astral realm we currently live in In other words, I am not a dreamer. And let me tell you those creatures in my dream-experience where far from being cute and fluffy, and I felt them, I felt them as if I were not dreaming at all. Zhuo Ming-Dao, Interesting astral experience. It is so similar to what I "saw" in my last Vipassana retreat (I was going through one of the arupa jhanas), and I feel that place could be located in one of the heavenly realms. Anyway, I hope this thread doesn't turn into a siddhi war, just sharing experiences, without giving much importance to them. Just fun talk. Let go, they are all impermanent anyway. Thanks

You are big on conspiracy theories winpro. Check this site it's littered with them. I'd get help with the paranoia. Oh, that's right you have to come here and ask "what do you think"? Do they ignore you on the Kunlun forum, ignore your emails? You may be going GDB and need some help. I'd get that checked out. In the end, we all pretend. We all pretend that any of us know a damn thing. Well now...here's the sad thing, breaks my heart. You people care more about badmouthing the students that have had problems than you do with finding a way to stop it from happening in the first place. There's a pattern here that you've all illustrated with that, you blame the student for health issues that result that causes them to leave your practices. You don't see a problem with that and how it reflects negatively on you? Enlightenment may bypass you this lifetime, work on seeing first. You are blind driven by a dream, that could work but you're too egotistical to get out of the way to ensure that it does for everyone.

The short answer is that it was during the 1970s-1980; it was during the Cold War; the Russians were doing it (and we did not want them to have an edge); Congress did not know; and when Congress found out they immediately shut it down. On the other hand, several of the double blind experiments worked consistantly and yielded good info (though it was only with one particularly gifted psychic). Also, are you really worried about a few million from ~ years ago after we just spent more than a trillion dollars on a bill that did not specify where tens of billions would even go? (I should avoid politics, ) Edit: Though it is rather interesting to note that the man who founded and was in charge of the RV project is now the directer of Los Alamos National Lab's top secret weapons division. This is the group that is so top secret that not even the Congress or Senate are debriefed on their current projects. Fun stuff... ________________________________________________________________________ Back on topic... Does anyone else here do Taoist/Tibetan dream yoga and have some experiences to share? The question of whether or not astral projection, OBEs, NDEs, or shamanic experiences are "real" is a very relative question, since we are not even sure that waking life is objective real and not illusory in some sense. As to the question on the waking shamanic experience, I would say that it makes for a good experience to relate as long as you perceived it with your senses (specifically, saw it with your eyes as you see normal objects) and not just in your head (third eye visualization or what not). These types of experiences are quiet common in the anthropological research that I have read on shaman (specifically Korean and Native Alaskan Shaman, though I suspect it is common in most forms of traditional Shamanism). I personally have seen some pretty amazing things in the awake, eyes open hypnagogic state after waking up, but not in the middle of my waking day.

I'm wondering. What about people that suddenly dream very vividly and who didn't really dream that much before? Wouldn't it feel pretty otherworldly to them? Dualism is interesting wherever it pops ups IMO. Personally used to making up all kinds of stuff, every night;-) And we could argue, everyday, too;-) Stuff that I've read here that I found freakier than that are the CIA projects concerning remote viewing. Literally millions of $ spent on that. What other things could be done with millions of $ that could directly help people while the RV project was going on? More to the point, why was a RV project underway??

Dreams...or parallel realities.. Did you enter these realms at will? Or did you just randomly dream them? The guy who wrote My big TOE bases many of his own findings on visits to other realms and realities. If you haven't watched his video online (youtube my big TOE/consciousness), it's quite interesting.

I would like to hear what other realities you have been to either in your sleep travel or during meditation practice. The other night I visited a place that was inhabited by extremely Yang creatures, nothing like this world, I asked to someone I met in that place the name of the creatures that were jumping all over me while I was holding onto a metallic fence, kind of medium size rabbits but more agile, intelligent and extremely Yang. They were able to stand on their two feet. The "person" I was talking to called them "mugols"(1). Other creatures I saw there were also very aggressive; the freaking things were also jumping all over me as well as biting my legs. I felt a lot of pain. They looked similar to Australian dingoes, but smaller in size. Before that incident near the fence, I was driving a vehicle and chasing a snake with a mongoose-like head which was crawling extremely fast, much faster than my vehicle. At one point the creature decided to stop and was staring at me. I turned my vehicle around and I now was the runaway and that thing changed its form resembling more a mongoose than a snake and it was pissed off. ------------------------------------------- A couple of weeks ago I visited another reality that is right on top of the area between North Korea and Siberia. It was a parallel reality inhabited by few human-like people, who were basically living as miners. The mines themselves were open and went deep down into the Earth in similar fashion as to the one that follows: I arrived to that place after I fell into the ocean following a astral flight I had. The ocean current washed me on to shore. That land was basically milky-white, quite mountainous but the vegetation was scarce. I also remember goind down into one of those mines with a "woman" (she looked Yin so I assume it was one) who took me to a water pool and it was beautiful and crystal clear. I think that our planet holds several layers of life. Several realities all sharing the same energetic source: Gaia. I had other dreams in the past, very similar to these last town, but I vividly remember one were I was chased by some sinister round jumping balls after they spotted me while I was walking around in an ancient ruin that resembled a medieval castle. After running around the fortress trying to escape from my pursuers I reached one of its outer limits, and then I jumped out and started to fall deep down in the abyss. Right after that I quickly returned to my body. In that dream, I am quite certain that I was in a parallel universe due to the impact of landing back in my body which felt like being hit hard by something. Thanks for reading this stuff. (1). I have never heard (not even indirectly) of this word before nor I have read fantasy books or watch films of this genre that mention this word or similar ones. I did a Google search and something with that name came up, but it has got nothing to do with the reality I visited in my sleep.

LOL! Wow... HAAH!! Well... I only did a few am's bro... no porn star by far... uh uh. Very few times did I venture into that arena. It was interesting but did not hold my attention for very long. I got the dream after the first shoot in fact. So, I only did two Am productions for mass consumerism. I felt the psychic backlash on that too. Thanks though for the good words? You guys are fun actually... now I can feel you guys whisper your words... lol... HAHA!

Try some Grey Goose Vodka straight, it's quite smooth and will hit you fast. Enjoy! Nope, no porn sites. Though I have done porn in my youth, hey... why not? Then I had a dream where Gurumayi came into my room while I was counting my porn money and she nodded her head, "no"! I did one more shoot and then decided... I can't go against the Guru's wishes, this must not be good karma, and quit. Though, I don't judge anyone else who does that for a living... hey! It was fun... kinda. I prefer making love to someone who loves me though... and practice some inner alchemical tantra, that's much more enticing, and much more fun and satisfying. I did grow up quite poor in fact. Though... It seems my future is bright!! Take care of your sarcastic bone... it might pop through your pant leg.

I suggest reading this thread on the Taoist conception of Hell and its historical origins. http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...;hl=taoist+hell Also, the land of the immortals, Peng Lai, and several other heavenly realms can be found in references from the most ancient Taoist texts available. See the Lieh Tzu, sections of Chuang Tzu, the Huinan Masters, and the Songs of Chu. All of these texts are from the Warring States period and are not later "additions" by some outside group of religious Taoists. Granted, in the early texts, they do not make a strong distinction between the dream state and the afterlife/other world, but then Chuang Tzu famously put into question the relationship between waking life and dreaming (in the butterfly dream), so it is still a valid and important line of spiritual inquiry. For the ancient pre-Taoists (Taoism did not exist until the Han dynasty) the question of dogmatic belief did not play in at all. It was simply important to question and explore these things for oneself through meditation, dreams, astral projection, visions, and other mystical means. To explore and to wear down any artificial boundaries that we put upon ourselves through self-limiting and ultimately relativistic beliefs.

I think you will also have trouble "relating" experiences with many authentic zen practitioners, since the zen tradition puts all of its emphasis on the doing of zazen... not talking about what altered state you reached, dream you had, or the energy sensation that you felt. The zen tradition says, "yes, those things exist and are surprising and sometimes interesting, but they are not special. And if you focus on them, set them up as goals, or place other importance on them, they will just hold you back." You tell your teacher/roshi about the experience, he tells you that it is just illusion, you go on with your practice and stay in the moment. And you will quickly find that anyone in zen tradition who has gone through many years of meditation under their roshi, and done many sesshin or sanzen retreats, will not be interested in talking to you about their experiences or in hearing about your experiences, because that just builds ego and pride in both practitioners. In zen, you just sit. Visions, qi surges, heightened states, lights in your head, and thoughts from the monkey mind: you watch it all and not become wrapped up or caught by any of it. Eventually all of it will stop and your mind will become perfectly still, stable and quiet. That is when the real magic happens.

the history channel sure aint what it used to be. whotf took over there? that production aint worth 5 bucks either. spaaaaace truuuuuckin...amazing one can dream endlessly today and present it as the truth.

Not more energy, but definately intense dream activity.

now it's time to dream varied paths and flights to take way out and way in