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I really didnt want to complicate it and make it all woo-woo abstract, but while making the list I came to that understanding. I think perhaps the essence of transmissions is missed out by reducing to cause-effect linear description. Clearly the teacher-student transmission is the one people are focussed on/want. But what if they are missing out on something bigger? Yesterday I put my theory to the test and meditated myself as a deity giving this human a transmission, and doing some kind of mental play of at once being the the transmittor/transmittee/everyone, back and forth, I am you you are me, I am your thought and vice versa. This is not a scientific experiment to be sure, but when I did doze off, I got into a dream-like state where I felt fairly beaten up. Interesting anyway. Can one transmit to oneself back in time? As far as blind evolutionary force, thats a term you can take issue with/deny, but I cant go further explaining as I dont have the patience. No disrespect meant.

Wuuumph!!!!! See what I mean? Green thru dew is seen now we dream

Hahahah ... sure A classic for me was when I asked about going "professional" with teaching Taiji. Ever since I started learning it had been a cherished dream of mine to teach Taiji as a profession. Of course I resisted asking the Yijing in case it gave me a negative response ... you can see the emotional attachments straight away can't you? So sure was I that this was my "life path" that I was certain the Yijing would respond favorably. So you can imagine my emotional response when the response was basically that the ass would fall out of my life if I pursued teaching for profit. I hussed and cussed for ages, but then I sat quietly with the advice of the Yijing and sought the deeper implications and realized that my deep joy of practicing and sharing Taiji would be impaired if I became dependent on it for financial support. On the flip-side there was one question where I was sure I was going to get negative response. All my life I have enjoyed strategy games, especially military strategy. I had felt however that it wasn't really resonating with my spiritual studies so I put them on my "black list". Not too long ago I had the opportunity to play a game and thought that I shouldn't play. But I decided, out of curiosity, to run it by the Yijing totally expecting it to say, "Stay away fool!" So again I was surprised when the result was "Good fortune comes through the appropriate use of force," that having force but restraining its use leads to prosperity. Intrigued I did play and followed the Yijing's response and was pleasantly surprised that this was a lesson I really did need to learn. I tend to be very forceful and can be overly rough with people sometimes (lol you just have to scan through this thread to see that coming out hahahaha !!!). So this stands out as a classic case of don't prejudge anything, you never know what treasures are lying in amongst the manure

What an awesome dream! But yes... Vajra path (yana) does indeed call upon a large number of different types of Buddhas. You realize the intention of this when you start realizing the intention of all of Buddhism. It actually trains your mind to think multi-dimensionally and be in many different places at once without loosing one's state of pure, unadulterated and uncompounded awareness. Because as a Buddha... you will project many fabulous intentions into many murky regions of the cosmos in order to help people. Buddhism is geared towards helping others... that's basically the goal. How to help others optimally and completely, with total surrender to this job. It's a selfless path.

So to sum up transmissions: I. Mundane 1) Interactions within the 5 senses--including eating vegetables, listening to music, data from a page, etc. 2) Purely psychic/energetic--just some qi interactions to affect the etheric body, (unconscious psychic transmissions such as thinking of a girl you like) 3) Being in the world type. As in reacting to the planets energy fluctuations, magnetism, evolutionary vibes, morphic fields and the like. II. Deliberately for Spiritual Evolution 1) Uncomplicated level or "dumb" qi emission for unblocking channels, chakras etc. From teachers, energy workers. 2)By a high level teacher. a. meant to supply the seeds to rewire your qi body through further practises, or the actual rewiring completed on the spot. b. meant to give a taste of what the high level is like (Apech7's resonance) c. through a dream, or higher level of consciousness to supply meditation instructions d. certain qi that is tucked inside photos or books left by a high level teacher. 3) Higher being transmission. (Ascended elders, deities, Buddhas etc, with an actual presence) a. recipient is unaware and if lucky can find out b. recipient is aware, but no instructions, must figure out how to use to advantage. c. recipient is aware and has instructions because its part of a school and facilitated by the master. 4)Nebulous inner mind type a. from higher self/past future lives b. metaphorical name for an evolutionary potential locked somwhere inside the mind (s) Notes: --effectiveness of transmission is often contingent upon the students receptivity, openness, spiritual level, karma, often described as "readiness" It makes one wonder how many times a person has received a transmission but not known, what CANT be classified as a transmission. I start to see life like those films like the 9th gate, where the main character slowly figures out that the entire plot is revolving around himself but he didnt know it.

Hahaha, that part about the multi-purpose knife was hilarious. I'm sliding OT almost but I kind of feel like I want the whole Greek Pantheon back again Maybe they really got it right after all by personifying the thought forms, or maybe they were too dangerous like that? Plus they had Zeus to rule over them all, I figure he's a kind of an Atman. Doesn't Tantrism call upon a large number of different types of Buddhas (or Taras?) The only Bon I ever met was during a dream (I wrote about it ages ago) and he did some pretty wild stuff. Then just yesterday I read that story someone posted a link to about the Aghora (sp?) decomposing and recomposing himself at will. Which is exactly what the Bon shaman showed me he could do. Which is IMO what qi-gong does, but I'm sliding further OT so I'll stop now;-) http://www.drsvoboda.com/divinefury.htm "He climbed to the apex of aghoridom and stood there, dissolving and recoagulating himself moment by moment, his motto an eternal shout of navinam navinam, kshane kshane ("Newness, newness, at every moment!")." edited for link and quote

We don't worship deities as separate forms per say. Though there is that and there are other energies and other realms... we just acknowledge that, it also explains lots of things. Even quantum physics is finding that there are many universes besides this one and also that the mind can manifest a body in another dimension much like you do when you dream. Anyway... the deity worship is really about becoming the deity in later stages of practice, when you complete the mandala and integrate it with the entirety of your waking life, you divinize it you can say... for yourself. It's all about becoming the deity yourself with all it's divine qualities. Not worship in an outer way, but actually invoking that state of mind and sense of presence from within. This is what all that deity worship is about. The mind becomes like that which it focuses upon. Yeah? Dude... I love Taoism and had an avid interest in it for a while! I got into the whole Wang Liping thing... he seems great! I might start practicing martial arts again with a Taoist wizard here in the East Coast of Florida who my friend says is really awesome. I have a few friends that practice Dzogchen as well as Taoist martial arts. On the Dorje Shugden controversy... I'm on the Dalai Lamas side. I do believe through direct experience in other realm beings and their individual powers of influence. They exist, much like we do. For them it's easier for them to see us, because we move so slowly, but they move too fast for us to generally see, so unless trained, or rather de-conditioned and subtlified (de-densified) through practice... we don't see these other worldly beings.

Good to see some Dream Theater here! One thing I learned from the masters of improvisation is that all to often we throw away ideas, motifs, phrases, without giving them a chance for development or fruition. I see that happen to much with threads on Da Bums! May the wisdom and work ethic of The Grand Wazoo (Frank Zappa) be an inspiration Love, Bobby http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cKhfkfnbAMQ

inner worlds aware of the sleeping dream awake breathing the new dawn

Beware the..... Profit Politics Personality(cult of) These are words with a "P" this time Call me stubborn but I never could submit to the "12 easy payments" of martial arts schools. I have to bend over on the job and wear a UNIFORM. My wife and I were checking out the garden variety of yoga gurus online yesterday, loved how yuppified and submissive all the sheep were. anyway my true colours and coming out may you find all you dream of Robert

I don't know. it's difficult to understand sense perception without falling into materialism. If you believe that an object out there caused your perception then you can easily doubt your perception and believe in a 'true reality' which is impossible to experience. In reality all we have are sense perceptions and thoughts about sense perceptions. I see both as ideas, as mind. If you think about a tree and then go out and look at one, of course there is a qualitative difference, but both are experienced through the mind. If you get rid of concepts about 'I am looking at an object called tree' what do you really have? In your experience what is the difference between seeing a tree and thinking about a tree? If you look at a tree, think about a tree, imagine a tree, dream about a tree... is there a difference in terms of what the base of each experience is? I'm not saying that they are all the same -- though I have had some pretty powerful dreams which seem exactly like waking experience-- but instead I'm saying that there is simply a difference in quality. Looking at a tree, experientially, there is only the appearance of a certain form. Smell and touch also come in and add to the picture of what the phenomena 'tree' is. Without adding the thought 'out there,' all you have experientially is the appearance of tree within awareness. That's it. The mind will then come in and try to add various thoughts like 'object' and 'real' and 'made of wood,' various observations based on limited information. We take these thoughts and lump them into the bundle that is 'tree' but is that justified? Are these observations accurate and deserving? I think if you stop trusting those thoughts for a second, you'll see that 'tree' is simply an appearance. If you say that there is TRULY a tree out there.. then that is assuming something that cannot be. Tree only exists when you perceive it. Tree is mind.

I don't really care for your definition of consciousness. 'That which knows' suggests a putative subject. Your explanation of how sense perception works is tied to a materialist framework. Have you actually experienced these wavelengths of this supposedly real and existing physical world existing out there which is full of them? Can you point to these wavelengths? How can you know a tree without a tree being present? Whether a tree is present in sensual appearance or as an idea or mental formation in the mind, it's still present or else there wouldn't be consciousness of tree. I don't think so. I have many doubts about this and so have philosophers and mystics for centuries who questioned the validity of such a naive claim. You're not talking about time, you're talking about the perceived succession of events. If you dream about your dead grandmother are you traveling back in time? The succession of moments is experienced no matter which state you are in. The nature of the content, the mechanics of the show, may differ but that doesn't mean that they are two different worlds

I make a chicken broth soup its easy I call it Chinese Dream Soup. Boil a whole chicken in water skim the broth add whole onions boil again this soup is simple but a knock out. Cloudhand

too much chaos is not good for stillness... Meditation is to bring about stillness...which is the opposite of what Heavy Metal is all about. Things/factors that affect me in my practice because of which I don't listen to much music are: 1) if music is aggressive, it increases heat in the body and thereby agitating the mind. 2) if there is a specific riff or piece of music that gets "into" my ear, then it keeps playing over and over, and distracts during meditation (for instance, the song titled "Home" in Dream Theater's Scenes from a Memory -- Metropolis II album) I like this better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxyaWdBphls&feature=related

Some thoughts/questions: - relates to a net/structure of some kind ? - what happens when you look at it for a long time? I was tending towards "rapid eye movement" as a reaction - could this transmute/heal/integrate like dream state? Make you forget? - what happens when you contemplate it very simply? - understanding of proportions? The circle without? - memory device (I've seen this in other yantras) for meditation where each delimited area recalls something else ?

I am 13 years older than my boyfriend and don't have any regrets over the age difference. Our energy together is great. Now...if I could just get him to the point where there could be dual cultivation it would be a dream come true.

Mikaelz, That reads rather as straight Buddhist philosophy. While I have nothing against Buddhism, far from it, I would hesitate from transplanting terms like consciousness without clearly defining what we mean. Consciousness actually means 'with-knowing-ness' - i.e. that which has the capacity to know. As such I do not accept that it is the same as sense perception as the senses are necessarily limited to the narrow wavelengths (in the case of sight and light) which they are able physically to respond to. I can know a tree without a tree being present so I can be conscious of the form of tree or I can have consciousness with no object (as in no-mind). That is my view anyway. Whatever the analysis we give to this we can still say without any doubt that we experience our existence in terms of both a subjective inner world and an objective outer world and that these two world have differing features and rules or laws with which they conform. For instance in a subjective dream time can flip back and forwards or stop - in the outer world time is inexorable, we have no choice about that. What I would like to suggest about the inner world is that the psychologists and psychiatrists have made a mistake about the sub-conscious. Whereas they treat it as a finite (if large) kind of basement of the mind, full of hidden images and emotions and so on, actually it is infinite and not only infinite but infinitely connected between us. Its just that most of us only scrape the surface. Mystics look into it to see the truth and shamans journey through it to achieve their goals. How does that grab everybody? Kate, Exactly with the matrix analogy, I'm with you on that one. John

Agree with you and, yes I do have my own space of plants love in my tiny apartment. I have a dracaena (dragon plant or lucky bamboo as is named), a plumeria and two ti plants, two cactuses, and this year I want to do some balcony gardening (carrots, cucumber, potatoes, beans) . Last year I had begonias on my balcony but I want to experiment with legumes. But I still dream having a garden to cultivate it like a Chinese flowers garden...

I dream to have a space of love like this

Just was wondering what some good books where for beginners in buddhism. I have read some of a tibetan dream yoga book, but other than that I have no solid grasp in the foundations of mindfullness, meditation, ect, ect. Also I have not decided what school I am going to practice (therevada, mahayana, or vajrayana). So I would like some recomendations to some books which cover there differences (or summaries from those with knowledge)

I like this passage so much I wanted to use it in response to Nietzsche's quote about 'right and wrong': Perfect knowledge sees all in One. Small knowledge breaks down into the many. When the body sleeps without dream, the soul is enfolded in One. When the body wakes, the senses begin to function. They resound with every encounter with all the varied business of life, the strivings of the heart; men are blocked, perplexed, lost in doubt. Little fears eat away their peace of heart. Great fears swallow them whole. Arrows shot at a target. Hit and miss, right and wrong; that is what men call judgement, decision. Their pronouncements are as final as treaties between emperors. Out of their crooked mouths, words are retched up like vomit. O, they make their point! Yet their arguments fall faster and feebler than dead leaves in autumn and winter. Their words flow out like piss, never to be recovered. They stand at last, blocked, bound, and gagged, choked up like old drain pipes. The mind fails. It shall not see light again.

A successful wizard can receive a new piece of information and integrate it in his belief system in moments. As Sloppy Z says, it might come in a dream or be so fast that if you blink you miss it.

Thank you for your suggestions. During the past month I have taken daily walks in the park, I've done exercise (swimming) twice a week, and I have always eaten heavy, healthy foods. I cook myself, and I know how to cook fairly healthy. I take the occasional beer. I wouldn't dream of doing marijuana, whenever I did it last year I had cosmic-level highs. I have just begun a twice-daily practice of rooting routines. Feet, ankles, knees, squats, and so on (I got myself a copy of "GETTING GROUNDED" by Michael Nagel). I will look into these supplements. I wonder, what is the rationale for taking minerals, and increasing collagen production? I have given up most activities I enjoyed :-( Music is too intense, reading is almost pointless, and I can't take more than the occasional movie. Despite this, I have managed to sustain a good humor on most days. But it gets tough, particularly if I spend five days a week trying to read without concentration, plus phd-student life is very isolated. :-( I'll keep you posted on how the rooting thing develops.

vortex, You are so deluded, it hurts. You don't have the slightest understanding about how the world actually works. So why don't you move to Mexico then? They don't finance any wars, have low taxes, and have no socialized medicine. http://www.heritage.org/Index/country/Mexico Looks sexy, right? The numbers are sexy, I mean. Mexico is Ron Paulian/Ayn Randian wet dream of a country.

Susan, hi! You said once k is started it cannot be stopped. I had the experience i told you about when i had an energy drink and my vision suddenly went inside and i saw a green vine with stars on and they all closed up one by one. Once the energy had descended i sensed entitys around me and would get lashes on my hands which were very painfull and left visible marks. Since then not much has really happened in terms of k at all. do you think i had a reaction to something in the drink which locked everything up. i had a dream the night before where i was told not to drink it! doh as far as you know can medication for bi-polar/psychosis stop k working? sorry im not being very clear with questions thanks Ed