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Hey, I have been trying to be celibate as well. My spiritual path is trial and error as well. I could be without sex now, altough sometimes I fail. If i fail in a wet dream it is not that bad. However, I think I will be without loss of semen in the future (maybe some wet dreams, but that doesn't matter much). I meditate sometimes and it helps. However, I sometimes I feel disconnected from the world in that way. Thus I still miss a girl. It is not that i want a girl for sex, but still. I think we man and woman are wired to be together. When I love a girl or when I meditate I can feel my chi rising to higher chakras. Make the love for a woman divine love and the chi will rise even higher, I guess. When the chi/prana comes higher I often feel a lot better (especially the heart chakra) Old memories from my youth come in my mind. Remember how blissful your youth was! This was because you had a lot of chi in your higher chakras! Damn I am so happy I found this out at www.celibacy.info. This is a lot better than masturbating on porn! Thus, dual cultivation is the way I am going to pursue in the future (I have no girlfriend yet)

And yet isn't that an interesting correlation? Who knows what's going to happen. I prefer to enjoy my present than dream (or fear) my future.

...and the morning lasted all day. The Dream Academy

My mom and my dog died on the same date 15 years apart. The depth of loss for each Being that we love and lose is different for each of us, and can not be simplified. It is very difficult on our hearts. So - Death is very difficult on emotional levels for the ones left behind, even while we accept the transcendant nature of our loved one's spirits going on... I dream of many of my dead friends and family often, & try to offer the comfort of my blessings to their spirits as I feel their blessings remain with me still.. .All of those whom I've loved the most in this life have died already. But I look forward to new love and a life shared with new people who will connect with me on deep levels once again... Take yr grief as deep as yr able -it will pass (if not fully)- in time and leave you stronger and more able to deal with this sometimes trying world we share- love to all-Pat

I am seeking the ultimate reality because I see reality shape shifting so often. I have been grown up with science and after I discovered that life is spiritual as well and after doing yoga for more than half a year, I have seen strange things happen (miracles). So now my view of reality is even more changed. So I have started asking what the whole spiritual life is about. What is the reality? How does the world works? Is life just a dream? Why can people change worldy happenings just by their thoughts? What is the relation between inducing altered states by drugs and spiritual practises? Is there something as a God? What is the end of the spiritual life or does it change shape just like any dream? Various systems offer a ultimate reality, but for me it seems hard to find it. That is why I am still looking for it. You say we are already living in the ultimate reality, but what happens after death? In fact I am not rushing into a system. I have been looking for a good system for almost half a year. I just liked to receive taobummers' opinons on it. I received them and I am very thankfull for them. But still I think I just need to begin somewhere. The spiritual life is more about practising and not just reading This is why I think I need to begin with a valid path. At the moment I prefer KAP, so I think I begin that path soon. I have experienced with kundalini already for some time on my own, but I think I need a teacher indeed. However, there are no teachers in my place (Netherlands) as far as I know, thus distance learning seems to be a valid option. (http://www.kundaliniawakeningprocess.com) About my emotions. That is indeed sometimes hard. The hardest part are the wet dreams, because they are very dissatifying in it self, but they also increase sexual desire for the next couple of days. I usually fail after three weeks or so. Besides I sometimes disconnect from the world because my family and friends seem to live in a world which is based on illusion (as I try to find out what is not illusion) But on average, I have not really problems with my emotional control.

Oh man, it's not about being married or not... It's about fulfilling your destiny as a human being... There are various roads to that, in various cultures, but most of them encompass what the title of this topic suggests, one way or another... Without that, we have nothing... It is said that one of the most important things in life is having no regrets of things you should have done, when you look back... Having a wife (consort or what you want to name it) Having a child Having a workplace that allows you to express your nature Having a social life, human energy interaction, is cultivating your human soul... I am sure you knew all that, I just repeat them for the sake of repeating... Peace L1 PS: This alone of course will not take you too high, or too deep, but it's an excelent precursory to: "Don't worry, your feelings about kids are normal adult male feelings... No exceptions... i think... Until it happens to you. Then you become a complete man, Ren, if you please. YM is right... the first way to immortality is thru your children. If you want to go beyond that, you would still need a first hand experience with it. Just to see the amount of dedication and real-life envolvement that it really means. Immortality is a high goal, with the little we do daily, it's just a farfetched dream. Your kids will be the best teacher at what it means to become an immortal..."

Hey boys Don't worry, your feelings about kids are normal adult male feelings... No exceptions... Until it happens to you. Then you become a complete man, Ren, if you please. YM is right... the first way to immortality is thru your children. If you want to go beyond that, you would still need a first hand experience with it. Just to see the amount of dedication and real-life envolvement that it really means. Immortality is a high goal, with the little we do daily, it's just a farfetched dream. Your kids will be the best teacher at what it means to become an immortal... Amen! L1

"Oh, let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen They talk of days for which they sit and wait, all will be revealed ... Oh, father of the four winds, fill my sails, across the sea of years With no provision but an open face, along the straits of fear" Have fun with your new toy teopakees!

Thanks, I did see that but didn't pay attention to it or do the math because I was looking for 'breathing' type words. My teacher also taught about 'imbibing', and in our 'formles' way it was done without saying a word or any formal non verbal teaching on it either. Learning is all about careful observation and imitation, something only masters do. Wouldn't it be nice to only have masters as students? Dream on.

Iv had a heart chakra orgasm in a dream.when i woke up it still lingered in my chest.

I do have the Dream Yoga cd version, though I am not interested in selling them yet.

Do you have Michael Winn's tapes on Dream Yoga?...If so, I'd be interested in purchasing them

First of all, A BIG hello to rodgerj and thanks for sharing your experiences I am a new student under Mak Tin Si and decided to add a little to the thread since I've had some similar things happening to me. My own background is primarily in traditional Chinese internal martial arts, in particular the Yau Kung Mun system, where I am very fortunate to be a student of Sifu Garry Hearfield. I decided to join the Chi in Nature lineage primarily out of curiosity since I was enjoying the posts and information shared by Mak Tin Si and wanted to learn more about traditional Daoism. The first thing I noticed immediately after being enrolled was a change in my energy during my martial arts and chi gung training. It wasn't more energy, as much as a different "feeling" to the energy coming through. It has a slightly more dense sensation to it, very tangible. Another experience is very similar to what rodgerj wrote about regarding dreams. A couple of days after being entered into the lineage, I had a very strange dream in which I was greeted by a slim, elderly Chinese gentleman with a white beard and long hair in a pony tail. He immediately proceeded to pull a black "smoke" from the top of my head and when it was gone he explained that there had been a "demon" attached to my energy and that he had removed it. After that, I woke up. I had had a relatively restless night with only a few hours of sleep and was about to write the experience off as a weird dream with slight nightmare undertones. However, I felt very well rested and full of energy even though I had so little sleep. The strangest thing, however, is that since that night I don't feel cold anymore. I feel comfortably warm no matter the weather. For instance, this morning I went outside in the chilly winter while wearing only a t-shirt and soft pants to help my wife scrape the ice of her car windshield and I didn't feel uncomfortable at all. So there are definately some interesting things going on Kind regards HG

Hi Scotty, I`m a 45 year old male. I`m also a mental health patient with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. In 1990 I started reading self help books which led to books on mysticism. I was so inspired reading about all the Spiritual enlightenment stuff that I more or less dumped everything else I had been interested in up to that point; I`d been losing interest in things for a while anyway, except alcohol which helped me manage with my illness, although I`ve given that up now. In 2000 after I`d been meditating for 7 years, I ended up in a mental hospital with my illness. It was in there that my dark night started. The quick results I expected from meditation didn`t appear and I started to lose hope. After that point everything in the world looked completely pointless and has been that way ever since. Now the world looks like a desert, and I spend all my time hoping and waiting for a mystical experience. I started experiencing Spiritual guidance a couple of years ago, in the form of precognitive dreams and also synchronicities. This lifted my spirits for a while, but now it seems as though it`s not enough, and I long for an awakening experience. It now seems as though I`m stuck in a bad dream which seems to have no end. I can`t imagine how anything in the world can possibly become meaningful again.

Without trying hard to be Enlightened or drilling into emptiness arduously to attain Shen , never can you grasp the Tao but relying on an external idol or a written symbol . Without training your virtue and upgrading it , never should you dream of liberating yourself or rescuing others out of your/their destiny/ karma just by worshiping an idol or writing a symbol .

PS CS4 "Gold" http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?...n&iId=14318 Dream Weaver CS4 "Platinum" http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?...n&iId=14343 I heard that Flash CS4 Is platinum on the newest wine version too, but cant find any documentation on it. Final Cut is Mac isn't it? As for your custom windows programs, you can always run them inside of a virtual machine and get them to work. Virtualbox lets you Install a copy of windows inside of linux. I've got some old dos games running in linux... how geeky is that XD I see where your coming from though, if I had to run all those programs on a daily basis, it would get frustrating, having to reinstall and tweak them every six months when a new version of linux came out.

Never accept traditional idealogy by face value. Always question it and find out what the real reason behind it is. Some have real reasons for it, others, no legitimacy. If someone says no beef? Why not? Whats the difference between beef and chicken. They are both meat right? Yes, but beef may have more hormone altering nutrients. Eat too much in an advance stage in development and you may lose your jing. In the beginning, I would say eat what you want. In advance stages it most likely will matter. In the advance stages, your body is supposed to be in its purest form. Your body is full of yang. At this point in training, you'll probably want to avoid meat altogether. If you eat any at all, you could be releasing sperm in your sleep. You don't need to dream sex to lose it either.

I've had a number of these kinds of experiences...more of them this year. The vibes are very common, but getting away from your physical body is another issue. I've had the vibes (sleep paralysis) many more times than I've gone OBE. And they are like lucid dreams, except there is no break in awareness from "being" back in the body--real time, then shifing outside the confines of the body. I've also gone from lucid dream--to my body(vibes)--and out. I originally thought of it as a projection inside my deeper relative awareness. I like the concept of consciousness occupying ALL space...so instead of "going" OBE, you are just changing "focus". This was Robert Monroe's conclusion in his later years. Here's a link from an interesting fellow that was a long time contributor on the astral pulse forums, explaining the "focus" model of consciousness: Phasing Awareness Satyalok

I've had quite a few similar, lets call them high-vibe lucid dreams. Yesterday I became lucid on my bed as my body went into crazy acceleration, and also sometimes feeling like silly putty being smushed. Just like you, the evidence pointed towards a dream state as my mind was partly manifesting fictions--and yet there was something non-dreamy about it. I often lose vision, as is have awareness of a scenario but no sight, just darkness. At one point I realized there was someone in the room and I grabbed her arm and asked her name. She say, "Ivy, no. Iris. No. Isis." The fact that she came out with a list of short "I" names made me think that it was my subconscious doing its relational functioning, and even then I realized this was only my subconcious mind, not an entity. But I have the same questions as you. I do know that astral travel books characterize the leaving the body as a time just at an energy acceleration. Your descriptions sound like dreams. You might find interesting this guy: http://www.shaman-australis.com/~claude/dreams.html

Hi Baloneyx. From what you have written you have had some real exprience. Did you learn a method or does this just happen to you? From my limited exprience the sense of or feeling of vibration is a key indicator. Sometimes you can adjust the frequency of the vibration by moving your bottom jaw slightly, I have found this to be very beneficial depending on your intentions. All life vibrates.Some vibrations can be helpful others harmful it pays to be aware of this. The problems I have encountered (again my exprience is limited)is maintaining clear awarness while in an altered state. I have found by practiseing One pointed meditation this enables me to have some degree of clear cognition during the night. For more indepth study of this please refer to Tibetan dream yoga. OBEs or lucid dreaming are very similiar at least superficially to what is known in Tibetan as The Bardo of Becoming, which is the state most people describe when they have a Near Death Exprience. Thus the empahsis on continued clear cognition during the night. If we cannot maintain control at night during sleep what chance then do we have at death? Some techniques I have found that help. Have a point of reference be it a ring on your finger,your hand, a word,anything that you can continue to bring your focus back too. Take your time, relax, try not to be distracted by sounds or colour or movement.Continue to bring your attention back to your point of reference. Weather we think what is happening is real or not, does it matter? Surely it is more fun to explore. Remember that the constraints of the wakeing world no longer apply. Given enough time your true intentions will emerge. It is beneficial to have protection when out and about.Calling upon the name of that which you hold in highest regard,takes you were it is best to go. Happy journeys. Ps Putting your left foot behind your right calf while flying helps to maintain momentum.

Well I'm not sure what to make of OBEs (out of body experience), I think I've had some but I can't be sure. So well I'd like to know what you guys think about this and ask a few questions. 1) Do you think OBEs are real? 2) Have you had an OBE? (or think you've had one) Well I wanted to find out if they were real so I've been trying this stuff now and then for a few months now, my experiences are mixed. If you've read about OBEs you may have read about "vibrations" and sounds you may hear etc... So I've felt them, and thats been kinda one of my driving factors to keep searching and trying things which may seem kinda "out there" for many people. To describe it you could say it's like being shocked but doesnt hurt and well feels like you're vibrating inside, sometimes quite strongly. 3) Have you ever felt these vibrations whilst trying for an OBE or any other time? 4) What could thee vibrations be? My experiences that follow the vibes are puzzling, because I can't be sure if I was out of body or if it could be some kinda lucid dream, I'll tell the story and explain why. Experience 1 After a tedious amount of time trying to sleep without sleeping I got the vibes and then found myself standing ~2-3 meters away from my bed near my computer and window. The excitement of having achieved it was so much that the experience lasted a few seconds and then I woke up ( T_T ). So it felt real, BUT what doesnt add up is that #1 the time of day was different #2 My computer was On which shouldnt be the case since I switched it off before I went to "sleep". An extra point is that there was classical music playing in the background, no angels with harps just the music Experience 2 Ok fall asleep feel the vibes and just roll over and kinda drop to the floor, get up open the door and walk out to the corridor, I'm kinda wobbly and disorientated as I go, then wake up. =/ Ok but what gets to me here is that how can I open the door?? Experience 3 Ok I get the vibes, I think I'm still awake with my eyes closed so I start moving my arms waving them around just trying to see what can happen. After some random waving then I think "well nothing is happening" and with that thought I woke up, only to realise I had been sleeping. My covers were still nice and neat over me, so I couldn't possibly have waved my arms around as I thought I had in the real world. The experiences feel so real but I can't get far enough to say YES! I left my body and went for a little ride I guess thats all for now, just curious if you guys have anything to say about this stuff.

Dao will provide........ Dao does provide......... But sometimes we are too blind and full of ego to see..... I said, "Today, there are not many systems to support spiritual teachers, and they also have to pay for rent, and food. Most of my teachers in China charged some fee for the first trainings, and then after that we were family, and there was never any money exchanged - though the relationship changed, and I had to pay in practice, or helping them with projects, or tasks, etc." It is a modern way of showing respect, and a giving heart, and also a humility and sincerity. Of course it should not be abused." No teacher can make one a Taoist. A Taoist is made through self cultivation. A Taoist is one who follows the Way of the Great Natural Law. A Taoist does not need a piece of paper or license. They have the same system in China today. I can pay money and get an official "Taoist Lineage" passport plastic thing with my photo in it, and be registered with the Chinese government, etc..... I am not, and I refuse to get such a registration. I know of some Americans who teach and call themselves Taoists and have come for a few weeks, paid money and obtained such registration. I know one person who runs some tours to China, and all members of the tour can come home with such plastic "Taoist" passports and be "official". I feel this is very wrong, and goes against the Way of Taoism. I am saying that if you are taking regular lessons with a master, or if a master is sponsoring a special training or workshop with you, it is proper to pay. There are costs and expenses the teacher will suffer for his efforts in teaching, and if possible, the student should show sincere thanks, and pay some tuition. The real thanks for the teachings should come from the student working hard to practice the method taught, and if possible master it. Now....... If there are some sincere student who can not afford the workshop, or class then something should be made available to allow them to learn. This is all in the public realm. Traditional disciple relationships should never really involve payment and money. In such a relationship it is more like father/mother and son/daughter. My teacher often paid for meals, hotels, and other costs when we studied together; and even helped me to set up my business and taught me much about herb export and other things related to earning money to make sure the material realm was taken care of. Yet I had many other responsability and work I had to do for him. I ran a small academy for Taoist Yoga..... We had students come from time to time who wished to study, but honestly said they could not afford payment of the class fees - we have costs such as rent for the space, and other costs to run the public school - We allowed them to come for free. I have run public workshops in China. Almost every workshop, there is a person (sometimes more than one) who can not attend due to the costs of the workshop, yet they wish to attend - we always try our best to work something out with them to allow them to come - though we can not afford to pay their hotel, food and transportation costs. In this way, I feel I am being honest, and trying my best to not let anyone miss out on something we are involved in due to money. We live in a material society, and it is a fact of this current age we are in. There is no public support of spiritual study or projects. I have a dream to house a retreat project for serious alchemy students in China. Or at the very least have myself and a fellow disciple go off and do long term practice and exploration in alchemy. Why are we not doing it right now? Money....... It is something we have to face and deal with in these times..... And most people teaching in the public are also bound by the reality of money..... But, there should be no abuse. Everything should be within a normal standard; within reason.

Dreaming is a part of our nature. Everything in Nature can be a good thing when you know about how GOOD it is. So we learn about Dreams in Taoism study too. The mind can be very focus and you can still have dreams. There are also a method in taoism call "dream making" which you can send and make a dream to someone with using FU and mantra. You can also make a couple meet in the dream by using FU. This is call dream-dating. It is there for a reason. Sometimes, masters also will teach their students by sending tips for the students in dreams. Sometimes the master know what is wrong with the student, for example he know the student have stolen something, but the master do not want to ruin the relationship and still want to give the student a chance. So the master will try to send the student a dream to let him know that he have done something guilty. This way can lead the student to learning and also not ruin the relationship betwen the two. Dreams are also decodable with the scripture of dream. This is written by the creator of I-Ching, King of Jau.

I have heard as one progresses on there path, they dream less. By that I mean, they have more restful sleep.

What about the "cause" of the problem? Even you kept a journal, you will not cure the "cause" that cause this to happen. So it will happen again and again and again. Maybe sometimes worked and sometimes it will happen again and again and again. Dream is very easy to intrude by black magic because when you sleep your soul (Hun) will be out of your body and into another dimension. So this is a good time for the black magic or curse to work into your body. If you do not treat this fast, you will just build up a super distructive decease in your body which turns into a tragedy later on.