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Hi all, I just typed up a long response then deleted it. Sorry, I can be long winded. Kumar, and all my other best Chinese kung fu teachers, told me if you want to get good you have to fight. Until you start winning. That's it. To get good at street fighting, you have to fight on the street. Lose teeth, break bones, go to jail, etc. No other choice. I've settled for mediocre. I spar normal blokes at my own level, and sometimes win. It's an amazing way to learn more about your self and your mind and your body. You only rise to the level of your opponents. I only spar chumps like myself, normal dudes who train an hour or two per day. So I'll always be average. Kumar went a different route. He sought out the best fighters, and lost some and won some. He paid the price physically, mentally and emotionally. Even spiritually. People got hurt. He wanted the skill that bad. I don't want it that bad. Sure I've sparred some ok Muay Thai and MMA bros. They are cool, and they taught me some lessons. But I've never sought to take it to the limit. Fuck that. That's a level of commitment that 99.99% of us will never go to. That's what creates great champions in sport and great martial artists in art. The view of Internal Martial Arts is:If you ever dream of getting good you MUST go out and fight opponents of every different kind, at the highest level of skill you can find, under every rule set you can. Otherwise you will NEVER, EVER, EVER reach a high level of skill. The End. Sincerely, Jess O'Brien

A lot of good discussion went on while I was sleeping SereneBlue, I'm gonna answer some of the questions you asked, and how I go through it, but Pietro did a great job of responding already This post might run kind of long, but I want to convey my attitudes in general and towards the experience in depth, for anyone who wants to read First of all, I should mention that I am doing it all more or less myself. I don't have a teacher. The only way that it can be construed as not totally doing it by myself, is there's sort of an introspective club at school that I go to, have some neat discussions, mostly about the meaning of life and stuff, pseudo philosophy, sometimes spiritual sometimes not, every once in a while we have a guest speaker some in, an author, sometimes a professor, I get a chance to talk to them. Sometimes a meditation teacher comes in and I have a chance to talk to them one on one, but I have no formal teacher. I also do a LOT of reading, on the Bums, in every book I can find, eastern and western. I don't keep it just to spiritualism, I also look in psychology, research science, how the brain works. Furthermore, here's my attitude to a lot of things: I must experience it myself Basically, what I mean by this is that you read a lot about people seeing "hell realms", seeing ghosts and demons, getting attacked by demons while you are sleep paralyzed, visions by reptiles and angels, meeting spirit guides, etc etc etc. I read about it, but I try not to let it paralyze me with fear. I haven't experienced that stuff, I don't know if I WILL experience or if I will not. But I won't think about it until I have experienced it. With training and with more clearing and working through some of my stuff, maybe I will open up to ghosts, maybe I will not. When the time comes I will find out. Until then, I don't worry about it. I should also refer you back to one of Pietro's posts, the one where he says in big red letters "stop". A strong imagination is good, thinking about the future and what it holds is good, but don't become obsessed with it and let it paralyze you with fear. Acknowledge that some people have experienced it a certain way, but realize that, first and foremost, YOU MUST EXPERIENCE IT YOURSELF before you can be qualified to assess the validity of other peoples' findings. I haven't seen ghosts, demons, or hell realms, so I can't say if they do or do not exist or if I will or will not see them. It's the same thing with past lives. I've done a few things like tarot and stuff to try to read into past lives, looked at astrology and numerology. Got some rather interesting things. But I've also studied on the scientific part, chance, how cards will fall out, psychology of how the brain interprets the generalities that many tarot guides present for each card. I've tried a few past live regressions in lucid dreams, didn't go too far. Tried to contact spirit guides in lucid dreams, also didn't get me too far (the answers I got were along the lines of "not here, look somewhere else.") So when it comes to any karma I have, I'm not sure. I MAY have certain karmic things attached to me from something I did, but I haven't been able to discover it myself so I don't know. It's hard to explain, your mind has to acknowledge two things as true and false at the same time, sort of like "doublethink" from 1984. Furthmore, as I said before, I read. A lot. I read what other people have gone through, some people have gone through some real freaky stuff. One person in particular I read about was Aleister Crowley. I don't really agree with some of the choices he made, or with everything he said. But there are some things to admire in him, mostly the courage to keep going. He DID it. There are a lot of "magicians" out there who talk a good game, but Crowley went out and did it. Not always the results I'd like, but that's what I keep in mind whenever I have some sort of experience. I have to do it, have the courage to do it and go through with it. Crowley also said stuff like every experience goes into building who you are. Well a lot of people said that. I keep that in mind as well whenever I go through scary stuff. Now on the topic of scary stuff, this is the scariest thing I have had happen to me. Is it the scariest that will happen to me? According to the stories, no, but like I said, I'm not further down the road yet, so I can't worry about that stuff I must experience it myself. My usual attitude to stuff, when it happens to me, is "go with the flow", don't get worked up about it, stay calm, observe what is happening without judgment. I posted a thread a long time ago about some other experience that I had after a lucid dream. As it happened yes, it was freaky, but I was determined not to freak out, and stay present through the experience. It passed. I didn't know what it was, but it didn't scare me. This, though, was MUCH harder to stay present through. I really wanted to stay present through it. As it was happening, I thought about how I needed to stay present, to stay relaxed, to ground it out, to dissolve it, that this experience is the kind of experience that I always wanted to have, that it was a sign of progress, that it was a hurdle that was just the next step along the path, from "talking a good game" to actually playing a good game. I had to let the negative go, and also I had to let my "ambitions" to get through it go (as it was very ego driven, like "haha look at what I can do"). In the end through, I couldn't do it. After it had ended it was still so fresh in my mind, I really couldn't let go. Tried to go back to sleep, but couldn't, got freaked out, and turned on all the lights, then stayed up all through the rest of the day thinking about it. The posts here really helped. Thinking about the experience more today (but trying not to get too attached or have it create another blockage), and as Mal said, things look better in the day, it's allowed me to see the experience a bit more clearly, beyond what I was able to see in the midst of the experience. What I experienced, the extremely negative parts of myself, were part of human nature in general. I'm starting to realize that, more likely than not, almost everyone has these aspects to themselves. It's just that I got a chance to look right at it. And that's something not many people do, and looking stuff like that in the eye can be scary. Once you get it into perspective, it's not that bad. You realize it's just another step. It gets you to the next step, and you keep moving forward. Don't be scared about anything, it's a natural progression.

Buddhist enlightenment is defined by the end of psychological suffering. One see's directly the interdepedency and relativity of all things and experiences, and transcends experience all together. One see's the empty nature of all experiences and concepts, thus liberates awareness from identification or limitation of any sort, because you see the cause of awareness itself as endless and not established, you self-liberate in every moment. One transcends the paradox of coming into being and no-being. As in, one see's through any standpoint, any point of view, any permanent state of consciousness. But, because one see's that all experiences and things are always dependent, and never true from their own side, and always caused by another, that's caused by another add infinitum, that as long as the realization of this is continuous, so is also the experience of being liberated from experiencing. The other quality of enlightenment is seeing that since we are connected, that giving this information or wisdom selflessly is also a way to liberate from self clinging. The main difference between Buddhism and other paths is the fact that Buddhism never posits a beginning. A mysterious source to all existence that holds all potentiality as an essence of being that expresses as all. It posits that there is in fact no source and no beginning to things, that each moment in history leads to endless moments in history in a way that realizes infinite regression and thus infinite expansion. There is no rooftop concept, of, "This is the Self", or... "This is the absolute Truth". It see's all of life and experiences from formless to form, from concept to beyond concept as dependently originated without origin, not as a causeless cause, but that... all is merely a chain of causation without a primal cause or a point of origin. Kundalini in most traditions is considered an energy that is inherently intelligent and thus mysterious. But, in Buddhism it's considered merely the realization of mind reflecting light that is merely awareness and that awareness is illuminating infinite internal causation within one's being, thus opening closets of previous causes and effects that form a vast and infinite chain, or matrix of interconnectivity, that is so deep that one can only think of it intuitively in any one moment, merely by recognizing in a way that is beyond thought, but not beyond knowing. This awareness brings to the surface all that is hidden within, and thus the energy of awareness, or illumination acts through one's karmic baggage and by working with the impressions that are now being seen through the path of the Dharma, or virtue of the Buddha's teachings, one de-wires the knots through contemplation and the energy or winds/karmas or the movements start becoming centered into an experience of wholeness and connectivity, and singularity of experience, as one see's that all seeming variables are equally empty, thus of one taste and through the body that experience is represented by the one spine that balances polarities such as left/right, up/down, in/out. If you think of the human body being an emanation of the balancing point of the spine, the hemispheres of the brain, etc. also being metaphors for the universe, the world, East and West hemispheres and polarities, it's endless in explanation. But basically it all balances by seeing the natural interconnectivity of all things and the inherent emptiness of all individual specs of the interconnected all, and one has the experience of non-dual awareness, or rather, awareness of the non-dual and non-abiding nature of all things. It's not an experience that is itself the TRUTH, but rather a realization of the empty nature of things as they always were, are and will be inherently, and thus is a true realization of what all this is. I thought maybe I'd edit for clarity, but maybe the run on sentences will help to bring understanding that is non-linear, reflective of a stream of expression pointing back to the meaning of the experience of holding paradox lighty? It's best described by poetry of the Mahasiddhas I think... Though even the poem below can be misunderstood, as in Buddhism, the term essence is referring to the essential nature of things, that they are relative and thus inherently empty of a real base, and thus, that is the base. So, explanation seems paradoxical and can confuse if not contexualized properly through the original teachings of the Buddha. Nagarjuna's Mahamudra Vision Homage to Manjusrikumarabhuta! 1. I bow down to the all-powerful Buddha Whose mind is free of attachment, Who in his compassion and wisdom Has taught the inexpressible. 2. In truth there is no birth - Then surely no cessation or liberation; The Buddha is like the sky And all beings have that nature. 3. Neither Samsara nor Nirvana exist, But all is a complex continuum With an intrinsic face of void, The object of ultimate awareness. 4. The nature of all things Appears like a reflection, Pure and naturally quiescent, With a non-dual identity of suchness. 5. The common mind imagines a self Where there is nothing at all, And it conceives of emotional states - Happiness, suffering, and equanimity. 6. The six states of being in Samsara, The happiness of heaven, The suffering of hell, Are all false creations, figments of mind. 7. Likewise the ideas of bad action causing suffering, Old age, disease and death, And the idea that virtue leads to happiness, Are mere ideas, unreal notions. 8. Like an artist frightened By the devil he paints, The sufferer in Samsara Is terrified by his own imagination. 9. Like a man caught in quicksands Thrashing and struggling about, So beings drown In the mess of their own thoughts. 10. Mistaking fantasy for reality Causes an experience of suffering; Mind is poisoned by interpretation Of consciousness of form. 11. Dissolving figment and fantasy With a mind of compassionate insight, Remain in perfect awareness In order to help all beings. 12. So acquiring conventional virtue Freed from the web of interpretive thought, Insurpassable understanding is gained As Buddha, friend to the world. 13. Knowing the relativity of all, The ultimate truth is always seen; Dismissing the idea of beginning, middle and end The flow is seen as Emptiness. 14. So all samsara and nirvana is seen as it is - Empty and insubstantial, Naked and changeless, Eternally quiescent and illumined. 15. As the figments of a dream Dissolve upon waking, So the confusion of Samsara Fades away in enlightenment. 16. Idealising things of no substance As eternal, substantial and satisfying, Shrouding them in a fog of desire The round of existence arises. 17. The nature of beings is unborn Yet commonly beings are conceived to exist; Both beings and their ideas Are false beliefs. 18. It is nothing but an artifice of mind This birth into an illusory becoming, Into a world of good and evil action With good or bad rebirth to follow. 19. When the wheel of mind ceases to turn All things come to an end. So there is nothing inherently substantial And all things are utterly pure. 20. This great ocean of samsara, Full of delusive thought, Can be crossed in the boat Universal Approach. Who can reach the other side without it? Colophon The Twenty Mahayana Verses, (in Sanskrit, Mahayanavimsaka; in Tibetan: Theg pa chen po nyi shu pa) were composed by the master Nagarjuna. They were translated into Tibetan by the Kashmiri Pandit Ananda and the Bhikshu translator Drakjor Sherab (Grags 'byor shes rab). They have been translated into English by the Anagarika Kunzang Tenzin on the last day of the year 1973 in the hope that the karma of the year may be mitigated. May all beings be happy!

The statement is from the Kena Upanishad. What I mean is that, the ego, or the little self, even if aware of the transparency of all things, including itself, thus has the experience of omnipresence, basically has omniscience of the how things happen by surrender of this identification, and likewise the identification of all things so awareness does not confine itself anymore. In Hinduism, the statement would mean, I cannot know, but by surrendering to Brahman, the lord of all things, who is the presence behind all things and one with all things, direct experiencing of the lords always knowing happens. LOL! Funny... but who knows? Yeah, I used to drive my parents mad! "Who, what, where, when, why, how". My Mom's boyfriends used to make fun of me, in a sweet way. I bet he had quite a good amount of spontaneous joy! I never really studied Socrates. Before the Buddha was here, there were solitary realizers who didn't teach but had realization of dependent origination and who squelched the snares of craving through contemplation of emptiness. There are Navaho, Hopi and Pueblo Indian traditions that have realization and wisdom somewhat close to what the Buddha realized, but maybe not to completion. I had a very powerful dream once where I was hanging out with some Hopi Medicine men in an Adobe house, it was powerful and lucid with lots of good vibrations. Every tradition of the spirit has some good wisdom, even if doesn't lead to complete Buddhahood. Besides, if a person has the inner conditions for realization of the nature of things, it doesn't matter if there are not the outer conditions available for it's very clear expression as the Buddha had. It's not all so black and white. But, the universe does indeed work in one way and one way only. Dependent Origination is the way it all works. That's the organic mechanics of the cosmic clock. It's been postponed for a half hour, so I ended up talking a bit more. It's going to be Italian.

Hi Xabir2005, Okay. Let me start of by saying that we are really not that far apart as to our understanding. It is just that you use such funny words at times. However, this is not one of the areas where we agree. Hehehe. If what you say is true there would be no reason for the Manifest at all. I do agree that all arises spontaneously (but, consistent with the processes of Nature which are the guideposts for the Manifest) because of the process of cause and effect. Well, okay, almost consistently - there are variances from the norm. (But even this is within the realm of the natural.) Thing is, there is no 'sound' if there is no hearer. Yes, there are vibrational waves but no sound. The same with sight - there is no image if there is no receptor, only variations of the frequency of light waves. Therefore I suggest that the Manifest is very important as it is through the Manifest that Tao experiences itself. PS You will never convince me that "I" do not exist. Oh! This is another area where we don't agree. Hehehe. Chuang Tzu expressed it very well in the "Butterfly Dream". There is a state of wu where one becomes a non-descript observer and one may even see themself in the scene. But everything that is seen is of the Manifest nature. I will agree with you that the Mystery is non-descriptive. And that is because the Mystery is "potential", it is not yet Manifested. Okay. I cannot become bamboo nor can I become a pine tree. I may become either of those after this manifestation. I may have been those prior to this manifestation. I do agree that all Manifest eminates from the same source - the Mystery. But the purpose, in my mind, for the Manifest is so that Tao can have its various experiences. Everything is dynamic except perhaps Tzujan. But at this point in time I am one of the seers, one of the hearers, one of the feelers, physical and emotional, etc. And a pine tree is a pine tree. It cannot be me in this , its current manifestation. Yes, the tree can be cut down and the timber used to build a house and the cuttings used to make a fire. This is the transmutation of things. In this case man caused the transmutation but over time transmutation would have none-the-less taken place. I just can't imagine myselfg being a bamboo back-scratcher. Sorry. Taoist use words like that sometimes too. Except that they are making reference to one looking inside theirself, not trying to se themself as something else. Yes, we all must stand naked one day. And we will have to say, "This is what I have become." I do like your "... only a naked manifest awareness is present". (I will probably use it at some point in the future.) Be well!

Cat, I tried the Luohan photo. My remarks are that my qi was conspicuously silent, and later I stepped into the scerenity which I saw on his face. So all in all...nothing...or a message. I decided it was a message, and last night I put more effort into maintaining silence while dozing/meditating (because Im such a poor meditator lately) and managed to enter a pretty interesting lucid dream/altered state where sounds were automatically expanded upon, like lights turn into kalaidescope, the sounds turned into muscial variations or many conversational variations. Lucky7, I did learn a method from Max, tried it out once with no discernable results. Even still, it leads me to the question, what kind of things does one bother the ascended beings for? I wonder if Santiago is going to come back and comment on this topic, for I've read many posts of his about his interacting with Glen. Ya Mu, I felt vibes while reading your post! Meson, do you have any first hand experiences you care to share.

His theory of relativity seems to be quite compatible. Because you can't see it doesn't mean a thing to me. Some people have a certain type of mind that appeals to a linear view and compartments and they can't make the abstract leaps. They think they are grounded and well balanced. They like seeing A,B,C,D. My mind doesn't seem to work that way. The Theory of the Holographic Universe seems to fit quite nicely. Many things in Down the Rabbit Hole. Plus Further Down the Rabbit Hole seem to co-inside with many of the Buddha's findings. Not that I agree with all those interviewed in the movies, but it's very nice. I like "Waking Life" as well and much of what's discussed in that. Your welcome to your opinion and I guess I'm not talking to you. Also Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche doesn't talk about the things I talk about for the most part, I'm getting into metaphysical details that recall directly from my experiences and insights supported by my understandings of the scriptures involved. I've been having transcendent experiences of meditation and dream my entire life. I haven't had a normal American upbringing so my mind probably won't function in a normal way. I and plenty of others can read my posts and find clarity. Because you cannot does does not make me sad. We have not really gotten along since the very beginning. We don't have a history of agreement at all. I appeal to my mother's PHD because she has received her doctorate through study of various spiritual texts that I have read from and by appealing to her own spiritual experiences she has written on the meaning through her own words and has graduated with flying colors. She is quite a brilliant person. http://www.rosemarieprins.com/ She's an idol of mine... and she has really good insight. Who's finding confusion? You? Some others? Not some others as well who seem to find clarity. There are those that find clarity and those that won't. I'm sorry that I can't appeal to you. Que sera sera!

Nope, there is no universality in regard to right and wrong. Some truths are universal while some are not and most are mixed. With respect, if someone else thinks 2+2=5, it's my duty (for my benefit and theirs) to explain my reasoning and find out if I was wrong or the result really is different for others. (assuming either of us are close to being correct...) Whether it's a matter of subjective opinion or simply delusion, which is important knowledge in itself. I wouldn't do this with an unwilling opponent or with someone who seems unlikely to admit his mistakes, if any. I don't want to be free of opinions, etc. I want the world to be as delusion-free as possible. For instance, I think the above is just a subjective opinion, and I wouldn't dream of forcing someone else to acknowledge that this is the only way of going about it.

I love you brother. The largest Narcissism is the reification of the experience of emptiness as the ultimate subsuming nature of all beings. This interpreting the experience into a formless substratum as the Self of all is the most subtle narcissism that merely leads to future recycling. It has been YOUR very habit since beginningless time. It's taking the lock for the key. "Enlightening the House of Brahma in the fontanelle Stroking the uvala in wanton delight, Confused, believing binding pleasure to be spiritual release, The vain fools calls himself a yogin...... ......His mind takes brass for gold, Momentary peak experience for reality accomplished; Clinging to the joy of ephemeral dreams He calls his short-thrift life Eternal Bliss..... .....With a discursive understanding of the symbol EVAM, Creating four seals through an analysis of the moment, He labels his peak experience sahaja: (spontaneous) He is clinging to a reflection mistaken for the mirror." -Excerpt from Saraha's Royal Song by Saraha ....................................................................................................... Nagarjuna's Mahamudra Vision Homage to Manjusrikumarabhuta! "1. I bow down to the all-powerful Buddha Whose mind is free of attachment, Who in his compassion and wisdom Has taught the inexpressible. 2. In truth there is no birth - Then surely no cessation or liberation; The Buddha is like the sky And all beings have that nature. 3. Neither Samsara nor Nirvana exist, But all is a complex continuum With an intrinsic face of void, The object of ultimate awareness. 4. The nature of all things Appears like a reflection, Pure and naturally quiescent, With a non-dual identity of suchness. 5. The common mind imagines a self Where there is nothing at all, And it conceives of emotional states - Happiness, suffering, and equanimity. 6. The six states of being in Samsara, The happiness of heaven, The suffering of hell, Are all false creations, figments of mind. 7. Likewise the ideas of bad action causing suffering, Old age, disease and death, And the idea that virtue leads to happiness, Are mere ideas, unreal notions. 8. Like an artist frightened By the devil he paints, The sufferer in Samsara Is terrified by his own imagination. 9. Like a man caught in quicksands Thrashing and struggling about, So beings drown In the mess of their own thoughts. 10. Mistaking fantasy for reality Causes an experience of suffering; Mind is poisoned by interpretation Of consciousness of form. 11. Dissolving figment and fantasy With a mind of compassionate insight, Remain in perfect awareness In order to help all beings. 12. So acquiring conventional virtue Freed from the web of interpretive thought, Insurpassable understanding is gained As Buddha, friend to the world. 13. Knowing the relativity of all, The ultimate truth is always seen; Dismissing the idea of beginning, middle and end The flow is seen as Emptiness. 14. So all samsara and nirvana is seen as it is - Empty and insubstantial, Naked and changeless, Eternally quiescent and illumined. 15. As the figments of a dream Dissolve upon waking, So the confusion of Samsara Fades away in enlightenment. 16. Idealising things of no substance As eternal, substantial and satisfying, Shrouding them in a fog of desire The round of existence arises. 17. The nature of beings is unborn Yet commonly beings are conceived to exist; Both beings and their ideas Are false beliefs. 18. It is nothing but an artifice of mind This birth into an illusory becoming, Into a world of good and evil action With good or bad rebirth to follow. 19. When the wheel of mind ceases to turn All things come to an end. So there is nothing inherently substantial And all things are utterly pure. 20. This great ocean of samsara, Full of delusive thought, Can be crossed in the boat Universal Approach. Who can reach the other side without it?" Colophon The Twenty Mahayana Verses, (in Sanskrit, Mahayanavimsaka; in Tibetan: Theg pa chen po nyi shu pa) were composed by the master Nagarjuna. They were translated into Tibetan by the Kashmiri Pandit Ananda and the Bhikshu translator Drakjor Sherab (Grags 'byor shes rab). They have been translated into English by the Anagarika Kunzang Tenzin on the last day of the year 1973 in the hope that the karma of the year may be mitigated. May all beings be happy! The Buddhas teachings and his interpretation of Vedic terminology is different. His interpretation of Nirvana is different. His realization of the depth of Samsara is subtler.

there are many Vajrayana practies to be practiced at death. that is the purpose of Dream Yoga so there is clarity and also there has to be recognition of the Clear Light which occurs at the moment of death, if the Clear Light is not recognized then other practices are given for a high rebirth.. Chod practice is meant to kill attachment to the physical body. Phowa is like an OBE technique where consciousness is shot out of the crown of the head, meant to be done at the moment of death to project consciousness to a pureland where enlightenment can be hastily achieved. i've had a couple spontaneous OBEs but need to do some Chod or something as the attachment to the physical body is tough to break for me. there are many other ways, working with energy is only one.

The Open Loop as the Natural Resonance Revolution I stole the concept of "open loop" from a recent hypnosis lecture posted on http://conspiracycentral.net -- questions are the mind's way of framing reality into an open loop. But the real open loop is to move the mind to resonate directly with reality instead of relying on language. Our desires in life are tied to the functions of our body but also to our environmental influences. Humans coevolved language with technology and language is left-brain dominant while technology is right-hand dominant. Nature, in contrast, relies on left-hand dominant carbon-based molecules and right-brain perceptual reality. The "open loop" of the Natural Resonance Revolution is the process by which humans, using left-brain language and right-hand technology, are transforming Nature into right-hand molecular dominance (through iron-silica asymmetry) while destroying ecology. The desire to destroy ecology through its technological transformation is a projection of the repressed bodily desires found in left-brain dominant humans. Machines are now taking over humans in the development of the Matrix -- which is the left-brain designed, mathematical structure that guides the technological transformation of the planet. The Matrix is mass squared inversely proportional to energy frequency distance, also called the "music logarithmic spiral" by Matrix planners CIA mind-controller Dr. Andrija Puharich and Theosophist Freemason Professor Oliver L. Reiser. What remains in the Natural Resonance Revolution is that which can not be measured but can be logically inferred -- the source of the I-thought as the "infinite space" between thoughts. We can hear pure consciousness which then creates light which then refracts and reflects into "quantum chaos" energy-matter, the macroeffect of measuring reality itself. Our desires can be achieved and the goal is harmonic balance as human happiness through the heart -- by Hearing Time as the source of "I" and "Me" reality finds "peace" with itself. As Plato said: Time is the Image of Eternity. The vortex as a self-generating "quantum chaos" free energy structure is well recognized by science -- be it spiral galaxies through supermassive black holes or be it through electron-proton fusion spin through micro black holes. In Nature we see this energy cycling through volcanos and lightening creating an ionosphere-core recyling of water, ecology and metal. The human body as a vortex is sacred geometry in action -- the "padmasana" or full-lotus yoga posture creates the same push-pull cycling of energy with matter turning into light via heat, emotional transformation and electromagnetic intensification. The brain becomes an open loop -- returning any energy blockages back to reality itself -- pure consciousness. The critical insight of the Open Loop is that while science relies on symmetric mathematics, defined by visual measurement, the Natural Resonance Revolution relies on complementary opposite ratios -- an open experience of listening to the source of light. And so the male and female humans are attracted to each other in a way which is repressed and projected through what I call the "trajectory of tantric technology." The Natural Resonance Revolution exposes the source of the commodity fetish as the secret connection between sex and love. The male inability to internalize sexual desire into an "open loop" natural vortex energy recycling, due to external ejaculation, ties humans to defining reality as a closed visual realm. This is the "Human Conspiracy" -- the subject of Professor Chris Knight's forthcoming book as an extension of his book "Blood Relations." Dancing with joy -- trance dance of males and females -- is part of a larger, radical confrontation with reality itself -- how love heals by the complementary opposite transduction or transformation of sound into harmonized light. Sound resonates as ultrasound which then ionizes matter into emotional body transformation which is further refined into light energy itself. Time stops when light itself is experienced and the light bends space by reversing time whereby matter is recreated as well. This is a lost ancient ritual of humans existing through a secret initiation training by energy masters on Earth. I received initiation from qigong master Chunyi Lin who does healing and teaching through his http://springforestqigong.com When humans reverse the normal subconscious energy of light so that matter changes back into light then blockages in the body are released and peaceful love remains. The male-female dynamic of this healing is that male energy is electromagnetic while female energy is electrochemical and the two are attracted to each other. When joined an explosion of bliss occurs which creates light and bends spacetime. The full-lotus body position makes this process between males and females most efficient so that the electromagnetic energy of the male healer shoots out of the third eye pineal gland into the female who in turn shoots out electrochemical energy which the full-lotus body position then sucks back into the male. Because reality is based on complementary opposites science and reason, reyling on symmetric measurement, are themselves subsets of this larger "natural resonance revolution" of the open loop. Because modern humans are cut off from the complementary opposite healing rituals then language is used to develop further technology which itself is transforming the planet as a whole to also recycle the matter-energy of reality, thereby reversing time and re-opening space. The same process is happening for galaxies as a whole with billions of stars creating their own transformation vortex with the matter-energy around them. The universe as a whole can not be "contained" or visualized but can be LISTENED TO or heard as the source of time -- the space between "I" and "Me" -- or pure consciousness as the source of subjective desire and objective truth. Music is the main means to express the reality of complementary opposites or, conversely the cycle of symmetric Matrix mind control. Music is the bridge into the psychic paranormal realm whereby energy and matter are recycled and space and time are reversed. Trance music relies on syncopation to keep the beat flowing -- asymmetric or complementary opposite time. Entrainment of rhythm creates sound as symmetric power but the symmetry is a subset cycle which builds in intensity and breaks into a chaotic explosion of a new matter-energy transformation. Music as time defines space since music is not "contained" -- sound hears reality into spatial existence by consciousness listening to itself through complementary opposites. Emotional transformation is contained in the tonal frequency modulation and the timbre or texture of the sound generated but what remains universal to music is the 1-4-5 structure. My masters thesis research revealed how the yin and yang of Taoism and qigong healing energy is modeled by the 2:3 Perfect 5th music ratio as yang and the 3:4 Perfect 4th music ratio as yin. Since the music ratios are nonwestern and not modeled by symmetric math there is an inherent transduction of the sound energy into ultrasound and then ionization of increased intensity as listening continues. Healing energy is then based on the "cycle of fifths" music ratios as an infinite spiral or open loop of pure consciousness listening to itself, creating the illusion of spacetime bending into energy-matter. Phenomenon of precognition, telepathy and telekinesis arise naturally with the full-lotus padamasana complementary opposite mind-body transformation. This is the "macrocosmic orbit" and the "microcosmic orbit" is the initial "small universe" practice, along with standing active trance dance exercises like Tai Chi martial arts. Psychoactive chemicals help transform the brain as well with DMT concentration as the top focus since it's the "spirit molecule" for vision quest of the pineal gland. The rainbow of reality is the result -- the rainbow body of the energy masters as the body of the universe creating itself through love transformation. All experiences are interwoven to break and reconnect reality as a big open loop that never ends and never starts. Time itself is the illusion as pure consciousness creates space through reversing time and time reverses space in the illusion of matter and energy. Only listening remains as real -- the process of listening to ourselves without experiencing any difference between spacetime and energy-matter. We wake up from the dream to find that we never existed and that the universe is an illusion and that we never were asleep and that we can hear truth only through silence. Mouna Samadhi remains -- "silence" as truth or what I call the "sigh-lense."

Dear curiouswanderer, As I understand it, nocturnal emissions will not go away except by intense cultivation. See this thread: http://www.thetaobums.com/Purifying-the-su...jing-t5395.html I completely agree with you about intent. If it was about energy for me I would just learn to have dry orgasms. But I want to be able to look at a women as sisters in the Tao, not sex objects, to keep natural attraction from becoming lust. The roots of this are quite deep for me and I don't think willpower alone will do it for me. It's really amazing that you did it that way. Even when I've done well and not masturbated, I have a wet dream and all the bad habits of the mind and body come right back up. So I think for me to use willpower would be repression and hence unhealthy. Maybe I will be able to after some spiritual breakthrough of clearing out the negative junk in my mind. Incidentally, this sentiment is precisely the origin of my screen name . I would like to point out that many creative people seem to be more sexually active and "liberated" (as moderns use the term...) for their time. The connection between sexuality and creativity is not limited to retention. (Besides, many spiritual paths do not require celibacy.) I remember when it came out a couple of years ago that Einstein had extramarital affairs (not to mention knocking up his girlfriend as a teenager, which was common knowledge among Einstein biographers) I thought "Now why does that not surprise me?" One of my intellectual heroes, Alexandre Grothendieck, wrote extensively about the connection (in French, which I unfortunately don't understand...) and he impregnated his landlady when he was around 20 and had a girlfriend half his age in his 40s. Quite a fascinating topic, none the less for being so deep and complicated.

The Secret of the Golden Flower brought together many different ideas from older Buddhist and Taoist texts. This idea of Turning the Light Around came originally from the Lankavatara Sutra. D.T. Suzuki has an excellent translation of that text, if you are interested. In it, you turn the light around to the inside of your body and gaze gently. Eventually, the best students are supposed to automatically "turn around in the very seat of their consciousness." Since not every student is capable of achieving this, the text offers hundreds of what it calls lesser ways. Many of the other methods listed involve using dream yoga/astral projection to directly engage the store house consciousness... but since this psychological stuff is very deep and tangled, it does not make for a quick enlightenment in this lifetime. It also discusses many watching the mind, the various forms of prajna for enlightenment, the jhanas, giving oneself up to other power, and others.

I would like to hear what other realities you have been to either in your sleep travel or during meditation practice. The other night I visited a place that was inhabited by extremely Yang creatures, nothing like this world, I asked to someone I met in that place the name of the creatures that were jumping all over me while I was holding onto a metallic fence, kind of medium size rabbits but more agile, intelligent and extremely Yang. They were able to stand on their two feet. The "person" I was talking to called them "mugols"(1). Other creatures I saw there were also very aggressive; the freaking things were also jumping all over me as well as biting my legs. I felt a lot of pain. They looked similar to Australian dingoes, but smaller in size. Before that incident near the fence, I was driving a vehicle and chasing a snake with a mongoose-like head which was crawling extremely fast, much faster than my vehicle. At one point the creature decided to stop and was staring at me. I turned my vehicle around and I now was the runaway and that thing changed its form resembling more a mongoose than a snake and it was pissed off. ------------------------------------------- A couple of weeks ago I visited another reality that is right on top of the area between North Korea and Siberia. It was a parallel reality inhabited by few human-like people, who were basically living as miners. The mines themselves were open and went deep down into the Earth in similar fashion as to the one that follows: I arrived to that place after I fell into the ocean following a astral flight I had. The ocean current washed me on to shore. That land was basically milky-white, quite mountainous but the vegetation was scarce. I also remember goind down into one of those mines with a "woman" (she looked Yin so I assume it was one) who took me to a water pool and it was beautiful and crystal clear. I think that our planet holds several layers of life. Several realities all sharing the same energetic source: Gaia. I had other dreams in the past, very similar to these last town, but I vividly remember one were I was chased by some sinister round jumping balls after they spotted me while I was walking around in an ancient ruin that resembled a medieval castle. After running around the fortress trying to escape from my pursuers I reached one of its outer limits, and then I jumped out and started to fall deep down in the abyss. Right after that I quickly returned to my body. In that dream, I am quite certain that I was in a parallel universe due to the impact of landing back in my body which felt like being hit hard by something. Thanks for reading this stuff. (1). I have never heard (not even indirectly) of this word before nor I have read fantasy books or watch films of this genre that mention this word or similar ones. I did a Google search and something with that name came up, but it has got nothing to do with the reality I visited in my sleep.

Well, I mean the realm you perceive through your 5 senses or dream states. I mean, for you there is no personal consciousness after the brain completely dies?

I enjoy doing Damo's Cave as I go to sleep. It's a kap thing. Increasingly have been having "intriguing" dreams more similar to what I remember from my teens and 20's. My dreams often have reoccurring themes and characters over many years and run a bit like an alternative reality where I have made different choices to this one. Failing high school English and having to repeat it even after doing university happens a lot as do variations on my childhood home and friends. Never sure of the significance of my dreams, occasionally reality with remind me of something from a dream. But they are fun.

Fifteen years ago I was practicing a Yi Jin Jing set which was supposed to build the energy of the body. At that time I had no idea about spiritual cultivation or Kundalini awakening, I was just interested in martial arts training and I was a beginner in Taichi. I was virgin and raised in a Catholic/Orthodox education even I was kind of skeptic and atheistic. I read spiritual books about Christianity and I accepted Jesus as my savior but I was very confused about the spiritual realm (maybe I still am). I was though a "philosophical taoist" since I read previously Dao De Jing and at that time I was convinced that Jesus was a taoist who teached the jews. Anyway, after two months of practice every evening about 30 minutes I started having buzzing in my ears but nothing else except I felt my overall energy of the body being depleted. This is a clear sign of Kundalini awakening though at that time I had no idea. I was sleeping less and was very fatigued and bored and almost wanted to abandon the practice but I wanted to complete 100 days of continuous practice every day to see what happens. One day in the afternoon I was laying down on my belly in my bed. I was just bored and had nothing to do and closed my eyes and begin to contemplate the darkness "before my eyes" which was actually inside my head. I was very aware and not a second lost my consciousness. Suddenly the buzzing in my ears triggered and a circular visor opened in the darkness of my visual field like an iris or like a photo camera diaphragm. I was like in a dark cinema room and contemplated an oval screen with a vivid scenery of a clear blue sky over an endless shining sea. I was so amazed about that experience that I felt myself sucked into the screen, I felt my soul exit the body (I felt all the sensations of slipping in the limbs) and entered the "other reality" completely through the screen. I was flying above the sea and I looked in all directions, I was in a completely 3D reality, plus the hearing and feeling the wind in my limbs and hair. All the sensations were like tenfold stronger than in "ordinary reality" and was amazed of the aliveness sensation, It was like this was the "real life" and the other was "the sleep". In the meantime I was thinking that I entered in the Heaven like a thief or illegal immigrant, I thought "why is this happening to me? what did I do to be allowed to enter this realm?" At that time I was convinced that you're not allowed to enter the "other realities" but just if you are "chosen". I was flying around over the ocean and was contemplating the way sun rays reflected into the ocean waves below me, until at some point I saw an island at the horizon. I approached the island and it was like a flat mountain or a high cliff, and landed on my belly like an aircraft on the flat surface of the cliff and stopped exactly at the edge of the cliff. It was about 300ft (100m) high and I was contemplating the beach below me and the way the waves stroked the sand and the rocks on the beach, when a shiny metallic reflection attracted my attention. I concentrated a bit to see what is the light and I saw that it was the sun reflecting into an oval disc shaped metallic object fallen into the shallow waters, and then I observed four little grey humans in the water around the metallic object, that were talking to each other trying to repair their ship. At the moment I realized this, I was amazed and I thought "Hey! then it is true, the E.T.s exists, I knew it!" At that time I read the "Blue Book report" and read some stories about the paleoastronomy and all I knew about the aliens were the "E.T." and " " movies but what I saw was totally different than my previous cultural heritage. I really saw greys aliens with big black eyes that were quarreling each other being beached on a isolated island in the middle of an unknown ocean. At some point one of them that looked like being the chief sensed my presence turned around and eye contacted me. I was not afraid and was quite curious about the interaction between me and the greys. But suddenly between me and the grey formed like a tunnel vision and I sensed that he telepathically scanned my mind and paralyzed my will. At that point I panicked and I sensed a very dangerous feeling about the situation and the urge to run, but I could not because I was trapped by the grey's mind. I was desperate and I really thought that was my end, they wanted to catch me for an unknown reason, years later I saw X-Files and read about the genetic manipulations of the greys on earth and what not, but at that time I had no idea. Then I felt myself pulled out of that telepathic link by some light being that appeared of nowhere and grab me by the behind my neck. I felt the light being very strong, it was like a god or like an light angel. The light being pulled me from the greys danger and throw me back into my body. I woke myself with a violent shock that shook my bed and a loud pop sound and feeling over my head in the Bai Hui area where my soul entered the body. I was amazed by that experience and totally changed my previous beliefs, and even more I continued to practice more enthusiastically. After a week or so, I was laying on my bed in the night and had another astral experience. I was laying face up, totally conscious and I felt again the buzz in my ears. I saw again that my visual field opened and above me I was seeing a beautiful white light sky far above and around me a twilight light like was an evening sky. Then I looked around and I found myself floating on a dark water, but what was curious was that the water was not transparent, it was totally opaque and black like ink, but had the feeling of water. I was contemplating the twilight white light sky above me and I felt the desire to go there but I felt it was not possible. At some point I felt a sensation that descended from between my eyes in the Conception meridian and when I looked to my own body I saw a white light substance that descended from neck down dividing my own body into two halves. I saw that my left half body was full of white light substance and the right half body was full of dark black substance. Amazingly I found out that the white substance was keeping me to float in the dark sea, while the dark substance was heavy and sunk. I was calmly contemplating my own body and the situation when I felt and saw several dark black hands coming from the under water that grab me from the right dark side of the body and pulled me down under in the dark abyss of the sea. At that point I entered into panic and I really thought that I was dying, and I began to cry "Help me!". My mother which was in another room heard me crying and came to me to wake up from my nightmare. It was very weird, I was totally aware that my body was on my bed, and heard my mother coming to my chamber but IN THE SAME TIME my soul (I) was pulled down into the abyss of the darkness waters by black hands that caught me and didn't want to let me go while I was fighting to escape. I was hopeless and I was sinking into the darkness when I saw a light ray that reached me and suddenly the darkness around me enlightened and again I felt the presence of that powerful light being that again grab me behind the neck like I was a little cat and pulled me and trow me again into my body. I woke up again in a violent shock entering my body and finding my mother beside the bed trying to wake me up from the nightmare. After those two escapades in the astral I never dream for several years, and I totally stopped any qigong exercises or any other form of yoga or meditation exception being Taichi practice. Recently I found some explanations in OBE books and other spiritual books, even books on internet that mix the aliens with the astral realm, but I am still confused about those "other realities", even today I am not sure what happened.

Quite frankly, there is resemblance, a lot, but as I said before the "mugols" in the astral realm I visited were extremely Yang. By the way, I have never seen any Final Fantasy stuff in my life. I am pretty much an ordinary man who trains Baguazhang in the local park and Vipassana meditation every morning and during retreats. Aside from I am quite a boring person according to modern standards. Only stuff I have seen that is fantasy related is: Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter stuff, lol! But those films do no contain a reference to "mugols" at all or anything that looks like them. During the day I am too busy thos think of anything that is not my job that gives me the money to survive in the astral realm we currently live in In other words, I am not a dreamer. And let me tell you those creatures in my dream-experience where far from being cute and fluffy, and I felt them, I felt them as if I were not dreaming at all. Zhuo Ming-Dao, Interesting astral experience. It is so similar to what I "saw" in my last Vipassana retreat (I was going through one of the arupa jhanas), and I feel that place could be located in one of the heavenly realms. Anyway, I hope this thread doesn't turn into a siddhi war, just sharing experiences, without giving much importance to them. Just fun talk. Let go, they are all impermanent anyway. Thanks

You are big on conspiracy theories winpro. Check this site it's littered with them. I'd get help with the paranoia. Oh, that's right you have to come here and ask "what do you think"? Do they ignore you on the Kunlun forum, ignore your emails? You may be going GDB and need some help. I'd get that checked out. In the end, we all pretend. We all pretend that any of us know a damn thing. Well now...here's the sad thing, breaks my heart. You people care more about badmouthing the students that have had problems than you do with finding a way to stop it from happening in the first place. There's a pattern here that you've all illustrated with that, you blame the student for health issues that result that causes them to leave your practices. You don't see a problem with that and how it reflects negatively on you? Enlightenment may bypass you this lifetime, work on seeing first. You are blind driven by a dream, that could work but you're too egotistical to get out of the way to ensure that it does for everyone.

The short answer is that it was during the 1970s-1980; it was during the Cold War; the Russians were doing it (and we did not want them to have an edge); Congress did not know; and when Congress found out they immediately shut it down. On the other hand, several of the double blind experiments worked consistantly and yielded good info (though it was only with one particularly gifted psychic). Also, are you really worried about a few million from ~ years ago after we just spent more than a trillion dollars on a bill that did not specify where tens of billions would even go? (I should avoid politics, ) Edit: Though it is rather interesting to note that the man who founded and was in charge of the RV project is now the directer of Los Alamos National Lab's top secret weapons division. This is the group that is so top secret that not even the Congress or Senate are debriefed on their current projects. Fun stuff... ________________________________________________________________________ Back on topic... Does anyone else here do Taoist/Tibetan dream yoga and have some experiences to share? The question of whether or not astral projection, OBEs, NDEs, or shamanic experiences are "real" is a very relative question, since we are not even sure that waking life is objective real and not illusory in some sense. As to the question on the waking shamanic experience, I would say that it makes for a good experience to relate as long as you perceived it with your senses (specifically, saw it with your eyes as you see normal objects) and not just in your head (third eye visualization or what not). These types of experiences are quiet common in the anthropological research that I have read on shaman (specifically Korean and Native Alaskan Shaman, though I suspect it is common in most forms of traditional Shamanism). I personally have seen some pretty amazing things in the awake, eyes open hypnagogic state after waking up, but not in the middle of my waking day.

Dreams...or parallel realities.. Did you enter these realms at will? Or did you just randomly dream them? The guy who wrote My big TOE bases many of his own findings on visits to other realms and realities. If you haven't watched his video online (youtube my big TOE/consciousness), it's quite interesting.

LOL! Wow... HAAH!! Well... I only did a few am's bro... no porn star by far... uh uh. Very few times did I venture into that arena. It was interesting but did not hold my attention for very long. I got the dream after the first shoot in fact. So, I only did two Am productions for mass consumerism. I felt the psychic backlash on that too. Thanks though for the good words? You guys are fun actually... now I can feel you guys whisper your words... lol... HAHA!

Try some Grey Goose Vodka straight, it's quite smooth and will hit you fast. Enjoy! Nope, no porn sites. Though I have done porn in my youth, hey... why not? Then I had a dream where Gurumayi came into my room while I was counting my porn money and she nodded her head, "no"! I did one more shoot and then decided... I can't go against the Guru's wishes, this must not be good karma, and quit. Though, I don't judge anyone else who does that for a living... hey! It was fun... kinda. I prefer making love to someone who loves me though... and practice some inner alchemical tantra, that's much more enticing, and much more fun and satisfying. I did grow up quite poor in fact. Though... It seems my future is bright!! Take care of your sarcastic bone... it might pop through your pant leg.

I think you will also have trouble "relating" experiences with many authentic zen practitioners, since the zen tradition puts all of its emphasis on the doing of zazen... not talking about what altered state you reached, dream you had, or the energy sensation that you felt. The zen tradition says, "yes, those things exist and are surprising and sometimes interesting, but they are not special. And if you focus on them, set them up as goals, or place other importance on them, they will just hold you back." You tell your teacher/roshi about the experience, he tells you that it is just illusion, you go on with your practice and stay in the moment. And you will quickly find that anyone in zen tradition who has gone through many years of meditation under their roshi, and done many sesshin or sanzen retreats, will not be interested in talking to you about their experiences or in hearing about your experiences, because that just builds ego and pride in both practitioners. In zen, you just sit. Visions, qi surges, heightened states, lights in your head, and thoughts from the monkey mind: you watch it all and not become wrapped up or caught by any of it. Eventually all of it will stop and your mind will become perfectly still, stable and quiet. That is when the real magic happens.

the history channel sure aint what it used to be. whotf took over there? that production aint worth 5 bucks either. spaaaaace truuuuuckin...amazing one can dream endlessly today and present it as the truth.