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Not more energy, but definately intense dream activity.

now it's time to dream varied paths and flights to take way out and way in

Well one of the things that spirituality gives is a "support system" and way of dealing with stuff like this. So, for dream testing, you stop what you are doing and ask yourself seriously if you are dreaming. Now, this is good, and does give results, though from this it's clear it can lead to problems. (though if you ask me, he had other deep seated issues, pink crocodile "coming out of the closet"? Sounds like he had some homosexuality issues..... were there any women in the stargate project? ) Now what I've found in systems of spirituality, like Buddhism and Taoism, is not just "stop what you are doing and think, then keep going with life." It's "be aware of your thoughts CONSTANTLY, moment to moment, be able to observe them." So it's not just a one or two time thing you do throughout the day, but something you do continuously. It's much harder to do, IMHO, but so far I haven't had anything coming out of any closets So I wonder if this man had learned to become constantly aware of this thoughts, whether he would have realized he was dreaming a little bit sooner.

It's only enough if you do it consciously through yoga nidra or dream yoga. If that is clung to as a Self of all, there is a misunderstanding of the experience being had.

This is really interesting. The endless cycling and the multiple simultaneous dimensions according to each planes of consciousness creation... The actualization of all "probabilities" of existence...a dream with out the dreamer...argh! Can the endless cycling be broken? Or are we to only realize it in order to be free from it... Haha, I think it is leading me to insanity... .....

And now i begin this journey once more again now it's time to dream ( Sweet dreams kids!)

Samsara may be an expression of Nirvana, but so called "realizing" you speak of through a leap in view is itself a samsaric delusion and part of the cycle. But my guess is that Nirvana sees samsara only as a coin would see the other side as a probability of occurrence of which there are infinite variations. I didn't mean that the universe is destroyed, but the discriminative nature of the mind and the craving of identity must be transcended. I would like to know whether you speak of this realization from personal experience, or I must include you in with all these so called enlightened masters who talk of simply realizing the "Right View" for one to "enter" into Nirvana. And who is it that holds this vieless view? Awareness itself may become free of these concepts but itself shines by the attachments to being. Unless this awareness can be physically, mentally, and phenomenally transcended (NOT just through views), the mind stream will continue, divide, grasp, create, suffer and so on. Awesome. It is with ignorance that one grasps to form. And with that form comes consciousness and further division and grasping. Believing that the arising of form and conditions without the seer or the dooer is realization is not cutting off the very root of the matter that let's the universe manifest. The very ignorance is the attachment to being and this is NOT just regarding ideologies and views, but experience also. No the world is an illusion created by the grasping of the mind. "Seeing" appearances as dream like and illusion like is method to final realization but to be stuck at this stage is playing a silly game of pretending. It is only holding the right view which alone cannot deliver one to final Enlightenment. Yes this is to be directly experienced and not simply "viewed." This has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

The vivid appearances have arise due to ignorance. There IS no "EVERYTHING IS THE SAME" awareness that is not ignorance. I disagree that Nirvana and Samsara are one. Nirvana is a term to counter Samsara. The nearest metaphor I can think of is someone claiming that there is a fish and further stating that the non-fishness is one with the fish.... Nirvana is not a state, view, understanding, or any imaginable phenomena. David Loy has it wrong that Samsara and Nirvana are just difference of viewpoints. He is simply speaking of the end of the cyclical cycle of Samsara that is the belief in the reality of awareness. It is still dependent on being which discriminates itself from non-being. That single universe one has manifested must be transcended and destroyed. I agree. The world is the false creation of the mind. It is absolutely an illusion and a dream like phenomena that comes from the ignorant attachment to the world being a certain form one way or another. The awakening you speak of is only an attachment to the creation itself. Simply switching your views is NOT Nirvana. The final river one has to cross is the duality of being and non-being. I am not saying that the world is our thoughts. I am saying exactly what you posted in that it is the work of a ghost like mind that is neither existent or non-existent. I believe this is where the usefulness of words are ended. To see the world through the filter of discrimination is to awaken according to that view of discrimination. I could be totally wrong on my assessment of things, for mere philosophical conceptualizations are far from true understanding.

I like -O- Hindsight is 20/20, and the more I think about it the more I am beginning to believe that almost all of what we were teaching in our seminars was too much for the general public. My dream was that the world needed these practices and we were going to deliver, but the fact is one must be of a certain mindset and have a certain level of understanding before trying this stuff. That is either built in or comes from years of study. This isn't some arrogant statement I am trying to make either so spare me that misinterpretaion please. I'm simply questioning the philosophy of "putting it out there and seeing what happens". These are the practices given to the most advanced students of their respective schools and some only given to one or two select students who have proven themselves over years of training to be able to handle the ride that was in store for them. On the other hand, many who are benefitting would have never had the methods if we didn't present them as we did, so I don't know. I think perhaps it is better for most people to just do something simple like the attention practice outlined in Dan Emmons book, Life Force. It is equally powerful and effective and definitely beneficial to advanced practioners while being gentler for the beginner. (Also, I have no business arrangement with Mr. Emmons and make no financial gain by promoting his work. I am just sharing something I think people would like.)

Chicken...egg...chicken...egg... HAHA I SEE A PATTERN!! ...2 more cents... Fate has no meaning for those participating through the oceans of fate. Believing it or not believing it has absolutely no consequences if it is held to be true. Moreover, no outside agent (a non-existence/controller) can be observed independently from the phenomena of...fate... Why then, worry about the mind's useless musings? Absolute chaos and chance also have no inherent value because phenomena itself arises from the grasping of an identity (ignorance). That identification cannot observe chaos because it has automatically assumed an order by simply existing as a "point of view," a reference point. If absolute chance were to be truly understood, your experiences will be completely groundless. But this would no longer be chaos or chance, would it? How can anyone imagine this state? This is very tricky to understand in the context of our everyday lives structured by a concrete sense of "being." That you and I "are" when the reality is (IMO of course ) like that of lightening, dream, or an imagined dot on a straight line. It is like a probability, a "what if" that is entertained and from it arises everything else that is observed. This imagined existence creates, divides, suffers, destroys, unifies, purifies, on and on in cycles.... . Wow, went off track there. As for the girl, let that compassion lead you into a further investigation. Whenever you feel lazy cultivating, keep that suffering in mind. All this shouldn't be taken as simple entertainments for the intellect. It is urgent and personal!! As with this quote, You just made a claim: "There is no truly existing external reality, nor is there a truly existing internal reality" How can you claim that claim to be true if there is no external reality? The problem here is with trying to structure a state of understanding that is beyond claim. For the point of relativity to be in asserted, a ground must be taken. And that itself goes against the very idea of relativity in the first place. I say chicken and you say egg. If it was that easily intellectualized, all the philosophers would probably be Buddhas or Immortals by now.

can a dream character not realize his utterly illusory-like state of being?

How are all these things the same in the end? We need to have goals, dreams, and things to strive for. If we don't we are too yin and just live in the nothingness until we die. Some great monks might live to 150 years old but how much of it was spend with their eyes closed doing nothing but playing with qi or whatever. I don't think anyone in this forum wants to live in a cave for the rest of their lives so they live in society. Don't you want to have an opportunity to shape this society and be active. If you don't have dreams and goals you have nothing to strive for. Look at the acheivements of western yang society in the past, then look at the developing countries and where do you want to be? Soneone who thinks it doesn't matter about their environment might need to experience some different environments. Sure i accept it's possible to live happily anywhere but some places are good for healthy living and some are not. It might be a dream and hope in peoples minds that everything can be perfect and always happy (something like i hear heaven might be) but the fact is that on Earth it's not always like this. Mother nature is a hard bitch and if you dont' be proactive you will die off. Maybe in dreamworld everyone can live together happily but for the entire history on this earth it's been survival of the fittest. You need to adapt and change to our changing environment to survive, you can't just think you have everything already all day long.

Cool Surname (first character) Sun Meng lan (dream; visionary; wishful - look at, inspect; perceive)

Yes, I've read Thomas Aquinas and enjoy him. The Buddha said his Bodhisattvas would manifest in different traditions in order to apply clarity through that cultural paradigm of teaching. That's fine and good. But, it's still clear that on earth, in all practical senses, it's Buddhism from the first turning to Dzogchen that has the most clarity, availability of methodology, vastness of available written down wisdom teachings. Skipping of vague parables that can be understood in so many different ways and going straight for the jugular of what the actual issue's are and the way to alleviate them. Try to find through Thomas Aquinas some real methodology that leads to the Jalus. Try to find some real teachings on the stages of the path to realization of the nature of all things as being without inherent identity? It's not that other teachings aren't good, but that other teachings just are not as clear from beginning to end. Also the methodology generally is not there or available anymore, etc. Yes, I know. I've had this very discussion many times many years ago. Yes, I've been hugged by Amma a few times. She's deep, most likely a long lived God born into flesh. She serves a good purpose on Earth that's worthy of many love tears. I wouldn't make her my root Guru though, as she doesn't have methodology that leads to how to integrate Love into Jalus. Unless your getting some sort of secret teachings in Dream Yoga? She also teaches of some "Divine Will" (cosmic movement with one purpose) behind everything that we can all rely on and surrender to. She believes and teaches that all things come from one source, or one essential substance that is beyond concepts. Some non-conceptual ultimate, which of course Nagarjuna warns us the pitfalls of. This subtle seed concept will just end up re-absorbing you blissfully at the end of a cosmic eon. Thinking you are going back to the, "one", but merely to be re-expressed ignorantly according to your karmic potentialities in the next cosmic eon, that you have hidden in this non-conceptual "basis of all" that you think is the absolute Truth, and Source of all existence. In the next cosmic eon, maybe if your karmas are aligned as such because of intense identity with a God in this cosmic eon, you will be as a long lived God that comes to people in blissful dreams and starts Theistic religions telling the person that your love is the way and the light, and that you are in and through all beings, the supreme source of all things. Maybe you'll even incarnate physically from time to time to tell people how much you are the source of all beings and that you love all beings, and that you are the consciousness of all consciousness'. I do have many memories.

And what is preventing you from trying on your own ? Why do you believe other people ? All gurus have hidden agendas (a quote from Dzongsar Khyentse), and anyway they're not in your place, you cannot be sure of anything unless you try it. That's something I learned from practice, at least. Someone with strong will and real desire will try, no matter what gurus say. All these practices are available in public books. I began practicing tummo without any transmission, 3 hours a day. 9 months later, a 1 week retreat didn't change anything in my practice. I don't say that anyone has to do like me. I just say that nothing can stop a serious practicioner. And if you really need a transmission, you will get it in a dream, it is aknowledged in tibetan tradition. Now the question is : who really wants to practice ? It is much easier to do nothing because others say we shouldn't do this or that, than taking one's own decisions and be responsible for our failures. If we had a proper transmission, maybe we think we can blame the guru. But anyway, even with proper transmission, people don't practice (I'm speaking of tantras and dzogchen). So the problem is not the transmission, it is the practice.

Some things that havent been mentioned: 1.Use an egg timer, (I downloaded a timer for windows) and time meditations. 2.Do a certain amount of one meditation, then switch. Like some mantra for 15 minutes, then go to microcosmic orbit, then stillness. 3. Detoxing, like herbal detox or fasting is another way to cleanse ones body and hasten spiritual progress. 4. Yoga, or try Scott Sonnon's flow-fit excercises DVD. My roommate got some energetic results from that, and she's not into any of this spiritual stuff. It was recommended by Bodri and in Trunk's site, so I gave it a try. Killer workout, 15 minutes a day. 5. Deep trance hypnosis. I used a mp3 called "ultra-depth relaxation" for ONE YEAR every day. Its 45 minutes long and zonks you out so far down you dont know what happened until the end when he's counting you up. I mean to make a seperate post on this, because its THAT stupendous. I'd add: drowsiness is not counterproductive to meditation if one doesnt nod off. It's the Zen people who like to stay relatively alert, but the Yogi's are well known to go into very deep sleep-like states. Personally I go for the latter, sleeplike state, and get more energetic phenomena at that near-dream image state.

Hey everyone, Last night was the first night I tried sleeping while listening to binatural beats/beta/theta/alpha/etc frequencies. This is the product I used (the second tape of): http://www.mind-tek.com/html/ultra_meditation_system.html#UM A lot of things happened in my dreams last night. I usually fly around worldly places (i.e. up the stairs instead of walking) in my dreams. While dreaming, I was flying down some sort of open hallway, and I tried landing down to walk. I didn't like it, so I tried teleporting to the end, which seemed to be my destination, and there was a large podeum there (not sure if that's what its called, its the thing that people who are giving speeches stand behind and put their notes on) but it was on an elevated surface. I tried teleporting there, and went there, but the picture wouldn't render 100% and it switched scenes. Three weird things about this were that 1. I've never tried landing from fleight before I got to my destination before 2. I've never tried teleporting before and 3. When the scene changed, it did not simply change on a dime, like in my dreams before - rather it faded into the next scene, which has never happened. Anyway, in the next scene, I was renouncing all my worldly posessions, giving my parents back everything they had given me, all I had. Then, I was on my bed at home crying face-down. I cried a lot, and then I woke up, and i was face down (which NEVER happens to me) and crying in real life. Then I went back to bed after realizing it was pretty weird. Another weird thing, and why I posit this has a religious meaning is well, because the Buddha renounced his worldly posessions, and I passed by a church down a very heavily populated road that had a two-sided sign up. On the one side read: "His coming forth is prepared as the morning -Hosea" - this I attributed to perhaps this being a special day in my life, due to the content of that dream. The other side said "Jesus Christ will come as a bridegroom for his bride" - which i thought was especially weird! People who ascribe to the Christian bible will note Jesus did not have a woman bride - though there is a lot of controversy around this there is a lot more information here: http://www.google.com/search?q=was+jesus+m...amp;startPage=1 Anyway, the reason I attribute meaning to the second one is because I actually do have a belief that I am of some similar role as Jesus, as our stories match up very well and a lot of miracles and "coincidences" have been happening in my life recently - especially coincidences of my dreams coming true - among which is my overcoming of various negative past influences affecting my views of women and interacting with them. One time not long ago I went to a chinese buffet that gives fortune cookies (also, most of those come true for me as well) with my parents, and we got 3 fortune cookies (the server brought 4 but kept one). My dad's was "Good day for business contacts and material gains" Mine was "Someone you have been admiring may suddenly become aware of you." and my mom got two saying the same thing "This person may be especially attractive to you." Which also was weird because on its own that fortune doesn't make a lot of sense, but makes perfect sense appended to the end of my fortune - I figured yeah it could just be meant for when there's just two people dining but that is a very long shot. Anyway soon after I conquered my long time fear specifically relevant to my high school crush, and called her asking her out. But I digress, the point of the previous few anecdotes was to try and give you an insight into my frame of mind regarding this situation. I'd really appreciate if you guys could help me try and figure out/analyze what's going on to help reveal what may be going on.. Thank you.

People looking at you... I can relate to that very well. Really it is just that you yourself are looking at people more. It is a reflection, so they appear to be looking at you. About your dream, I think that everyone is inside of you and you are in everyone else. So nothing to be worried about I'm thinking of trying alpha/beta tapes. Please keep sharing. I enjoy this.

My body feels feverish, tired, and somewhat hot. Could this be kundalini awakening? I also saw snakes in my dream . I am assuming they represent the sexual energy?

I know this topic is over a year old at the time of my post. However, there are some sentiments here that seem a little incomplete, in regards to the legitimacy of Mahayana and Vajrayana views and practices of Tibetan Buddhism (and others, I might add, such as Zen Buddhism). If you want to know about the integrity of the Tibetan Buddhist schools, just take a look at the Dalai Lama. Go and google some things about him, his life, and his outlook. All schools in Tibetan Buddhism look to him as their center. The underpinnings of Tibetan Buddhism is, fundamentally and intrinsically, the Four Noble Truths and all primary Sutras taught by the Buddha. Yes, all 84,000 teachings are included in the core text of every Monastery. Along side the original teachings is another set of texts - the commentaries on the originals. Along side these are works by major Indian masters, who developed Buddhist work after Buddha's Paranirvana and before Buddhism was taken into Tibet. Scholars such as Atisha, and Shantideva, Naropa and Tilopa (to name a few). Nalanda was a great university in India. Many, many great scholars and practitioners learned and taught there, from all over the planet. If you want to look at Tibetan Buddhism and where it came from, you need to look at Nalanda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda The Four Nobal Truths underpin all Buddhist view. The fundamental teaching from the Four Nobel Truths can pretty much be boiled down to Buddha's core realisation: that suffering comes from a misunderstanding of the true nature of existence. The true nature being that all things arise as impermanently assembled phenomenon and do not inherently exist of their own volition. And, from this misunderstanding arises a mental state that continues to block opportunity for insight into this nature of existance. That mental state is ignorance. Every branch of Buddhism teaches this fundamental teaching. To have direct insight into the reality that all things arise as assembled phenomenon is THE goal of every Buddhist practice, whether Hinayana, Mahayana or Vajrayana. When Buddha saw this reality, really saw it, he became Enlightened. Surrounding these core teachings, in every culture, are religious frameworks. These arise over very long periods of time, with much peer review and refinement from qualified practitioners. Many commentaries reflect culturally tuned versions and translations of the teachings. Or, teachings refined for certain types of mentalities or views. Why? Because everyone starts with ego, with issues, with clouded minds that cannot grasp what Buddha grasped. It is just too damn hard to let go of yourself and see that everything just doesn't exist as it appears. Not even atoms are self arising and do not inherently exist alone. They too arise and disolve into the rest of all assembled phenomenon. So, there you have it. All of this is taught in all traditions, and just because one takes the Bodhisattva Vows (Mahayana Buddhism) it does not mean one no longer observes the Individual Liberation Vows (Hinayana Buddhism). Also, when looking Tibetan Buddhism, you need to look further than what you see as it is consumed by the West. Diamond Way is from one teacher, and he is a Westerner. How long have Westerners been involved in this tradition? A tradition which is essentially Asian. Tibetan Buddhism acknowledges the significant role that the Guru has in a student's learning. Key to this relationship is the development of devotion. However, devotion is an increadible state of mind that can smash negativity and allow great discipline to practice the approprate teachings which lead that individual to seeing that reality of assembled phenomenon. Yet, particularly in the West, students just fixate on the teacher. Milarepa was crying out to Marpa one day while meditating, lamenting his yearning for his teacher, as he sat in his cave in the complete and utter isolation of a Tibetan mountain. Marpa appeared to him in a dream and basically told him to stop snivling and get on with the practice. Such was Milarepa's devotion to Marpa that he just dissolved any sense of loneliness and longing and pushed through. So, while humans come and go (teachers) the essential core teaching always remains pure.

Be happy that the real you is ventilating through your dreams, that is, what makes you think that the "wake you" is not real if the "dream you" is reflecting something different than your consious will? have a heart. you are balancing. you'll be just fine.

I sure do know how it feels to be surprised by a nocturnal emission, after being so careful, it sucks man. It does get easier, and even though your little rant seems over the top, you are building an emotional aversion to nocturnal emission which can eventually pervade your dreamscape, and that will help stop your dream character from going all the way. However. Something in your writing shows that the jing issue is a metaphor for some greater pessimism. Emotional instability comes with the territory of alchemy, and you know if you are up to it or not. Sexual frustration, mood swings, masochism come with the territory of sexual abstinence. Ive been there, and it will happen again, unfortunately. The only thing I can suggest is to monitor your self-talk, because idle negative thoughts snowball, but they can be cut off before they get too big. Example: "Fuck life sucks...no wait...lifes ok."

One of the only things i feel comfortable saying I know; is that what I believe is relative and subject to change, which is why I believe that I cannot know anything, but only have belief after all. I think it would be neat to see Alex take ayahuasca in a spiritual setting. That dream stuff reminds me of something else... I had insomnia very strongly as a child, it went away as a teen, and it came back some time ago. It is not like I can't get to sleep now though, it is like I need less sleep now about 6 hours.

His "contacts" are rather consistent with those reported in the use of DMT, which frequently results in "contact", time dilation experiences, strange colors, visions and scenes etc. I do not think he is a liar, but I think his experiences may not be what he thinks they are. I like his good intentions about global reformation. I do not see him as having any scientific knowledge that would have come from a non human source, much of what he says, like about black holes being holes, seem based on common misunderstandings that few would be able to catch, including him, simply because most people have little exposure to astrophysics and a great deal of exposure to science fiction. His "reincarnation" does not appear to include birth as animals or any other species. He says people are a unique GMO species and yet he says that their souls are very ancient. There is an inconsistency with this that may be sublte but is profound in its implication about his claims. I do not think he is lying about his experiences, but given that he has no new information in any scientific sense then I suspect he is not the real deal. That he predicted great calamity between July and August 2001 that did not happen, when he was told about it by aliens with supposedly amazing technology, makes me suspect he is not in contact with aliens who can make accurate predictions of the future. That his contact experiences are extremely close to many DMT experiences reported in and outside of studies, and that DMT can occur naturally in the human brain, leads me to wonder if his experiences are not chemical in nature. I have had some interesting episodes as a kid where I thought I was being abducted, in many of them I was in the back of a vehicle on a military base with those orange sodium vapor lights. This all happened when I was asleep, but often as I was tired I would hear strange noises that i have never understood and for a time I thought perhaps this was an alien craft. In my dreams I can fly. I have lucid dreams rather often you see. The experiences I have had flying in dreams are very real, I have been lost above city lights many times, it is hard to navigate actually. But does this mean I can fly? What I mean is that despite very convincing experiences of flight, I have no reason to believe that i have flown in reality. If my dream states can seen real, then perhaps so can those of others. Who am I to know that he is or is not real? I do not and cannot know, however I do not get the feeling he is real and the details of the situation do nothing to convince me.

How about if they were co-emergent? No need for anything to facilitate anything then. Just a thought... As I understand what I have been taught, it's more a question of process, rather than a 'thing' to be reincarnated. Perhaps if you compare it with going to sleep, passing through the dream state and deep unconscious sleep and then nevertheless waking up as yourself again - there is a process which may (or not in my case) be observed. A good question though and I'm looking forward to reading what others think.